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(Yahoo)   Universal finally takes nod and cuts CD prices by 30 percent. Making music not suck is next focus   (story.news.yahoo.com ) divider line 154
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2003-09-03 06:57:37 PM  
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
 
2003-09-03 07:06:38 PM  
Gee, and on the same day Kaza Light raised their prices by 30%.
 
2003-09-03 07:17:15 PM  
Or you can buy good, indy music for 6 bucks a CD from the labels.
 
2003-09-03 07:27:36 PM  
So answer me this: Why is the excuse "I steal music because the music industry puts out crappy music" used? If its good enough to steal and listen to why is it not good enough to pay for?

You either like it or you dont. If you dont like it dont listen to it.

Anyway.. the multitude of excuses for why people steal music is really funny.

Personally I'm glad to see asshats going to jail for it. If you steal anything else in the US and get caught you go to jail.. why should music over the Internet be any different?
 
2003-09-03 07:44:11 PM  
JamesBong
Like the Archie's are going to miss that five cent royalty for the copy of Sugar-Sugar I downloaded.
 
2003-09-03 08:09:31 PM  
what they need is a website where you can pay an artist $1.50 for an entire album in MP3 form. its more than the artist would get in a store and cheap enough so people might actually pay, esp if you thow in some value added art or interviews or those other goodies that make DVD's so popular to buy nowdays.
 
2003-09-03 08:34:17 PM  
Mighty nice of you to decide for them, ICBINS.
 
2003-09-03 08:35:46 PM  
JamesBong is it theft if I would have never bought the music anyway? If Mr. McFeely drops off the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition, I dont have a subscription to SI, at my house did I just steal? What if I go to the Library, check out a CD and copy the music to my Hard Drive, did I just rip someone off?
 
2003-09-03 09:19:59 PM  
A step in the right direction. Now if they can lower the prices to pre 1993 levels, I might be impressed.
 
2003-09-03 09:20:13 PM  
Sweet, now I can feel 30% less guilty when I download all my mp3s for free on Kazaa lite.
 
2003-09-03 09:20:35 PM  
When the price drops to around 75 cents I will be interested.
 
2003-09-03 09:21:00 PM  
Still to expensive. I want $5.00 a cd and more money going to the artist.
 
2003-09-03 09:21:14 PM  
Universal finally nods off? What?
 
2003-09-03 09:22:11 PM  
Oh an I forgot to add I might start buying if they're around 3 dollars.
 
2003-09-03 09:23:01 PM  
Well, this happened 10 years too late, but at least it happened
 
2003-09-03 09:23:29 PM  
so very, very little.

so very, very late.
 
2003-09-03 09:23:30 PM  
Once again for the cheap seats.

IT'S NOT THEFT, IT'S COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!

At least accuse me of the proper crime, idiots.

And since 75% of my MP3's are from CD's I bought expressly to rip to 320 MP3's because my sound setup can tell the difference I really think the RIAA can kiss my fanny for the other 25% made up of songs that were good but not good enough to justify buying an entire album just to get them.

Now I'll just go back to enjoy the fruits of my lawbreaking.
 
2003-09-03 09:24:25 PM  
Ha... it finally happened.
Anybody who remembers shelling out $50 for a copy of Uncle Buck in the 80's will rejoice
 
2003-09-03 09:24:25 PM  
At least the music that sucks is 30% cheaper.
 
2003-09-03 09:25:34 PM  
JamesBong, maybe stealing the music isn't right.

Maybe the artist would prefer I download the music and attend the concert. Maybe the artist would prefer the distributors pay them actual real money and not just rip the artists off. Maybe the artists would actually like to play a role in pricing their products.

Maybe, since I already pay money to every artist for each blank CD and tape I buy, well maybe I already paid for the music.

Maybe, maybe since CD prices have never dropped in their 20 year history, maybe there ain't no such thing as a free market. (TAANSTAFM) Robert Heinlein wrote about this, but it was in an alternate universe.
 
2003-09-03 09:26:48 PM  
buy cd's? what's that?
i go to my favorite artists' concerts to support them, not buy their cd where they get like 10 cents out of the near 20 dollars i would pay.
/methinks
 
2003-09-03 09:26:57 PM  
it is stupidly cheap to mass produce cd's. The big companies spend too much money promoting crappy artists (did I just call them artists?) so that some of us think they are cool.

$500 - two day recording session
$1,200 - 500 disks, w/ artwork and booklet
$0.00 - art, do it yourselves lazy bones.

$1,700

sell 170 of the 500 at $10 and you're even.


morons.
 
2003-09-03 09:31:02 PM  
Anybody have a reliable breakdown of how much it actually costs a major label to make a CD?

I've heard that the printing of liner notes is the single greatest expense but don't know the validity of this statement.

Ridiculous profit margins aside, 30% is a big cut for any mega-conglomerate to commit to.

Bully!
 
2003-09-03 09:31:06 PM  
So, should I continue boycotting Universal (as well as other major-labels) because of the prosecuting file-sharing thing? Or should I occasionally buy a CD from them that I feel is worth the money to demonstrate that their sales problems are due to causes other than filesharing?
 
2003-09-03 09:31:25 PM  
JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE, buy your music at best buy....i don't think i've ever paid more than 13 bucks for a cd in my life, at least a domestic release.

RANDOMBOB, no the artist would rather you buy their cd instead of seeing them in concert. most people in america live far enough away from popular venues that they won't be able to see all of the bands they'd like, so purchasing a cd is the only way that the band is going to get money from the consumer... and you don't pay a royalty on each tape you buy, unless it's a DAT or you live in canada, in which case you can go to hell
 
2003-09-03 09:31:48 PM  
The whole "Money to the artist" arguement is a bunch of bunk too. No one ever forced an artist to sign with any major label. Those guys sign up on their own free will.

There are *plenty* of free/cheap/low cost avenues to get your music out these days.

If you want to blame anyone blame the artists. They're the ones that support the big labels by signing with them. If you're pissed about paying money to fat cats biatch at your favorite artists for signing with them.

In the mean time, pay them if its good enough to download. God knows they've earned the money they get out of it.
 
2003-09-03 09:32:20 PM  
'Couple people in here have it just right. Take the money you save ripping music online and spend it on a concert.

Simple yes?
 
2003-09-03 09:33:35 PM  
JamesBong I congratulate you on your morals and ethics.

Me? Well I used to work for the credit card industry. A reasonable service -- it helps everyone to be able to buy things they want but cannot pay for upfront.

But then the credit card companies starting encouraging credit use by people who weren't credit worthy. Teenagers, people with credit problems. And they increased limits beyond all reason.

That was icky, but cool. Free market. Their losses.

But they decided they didn't like it being their losses.

So they got congress to approve giving the credit card companies approval to charge very high interest rates of everyone to cover losses due to their own bad business practices.

And then when people started to go bankrupt, the same folks pushed congress to change the bankrupty laws to make it harder to default on credit cards.

How many different ways do big companies want to eat their cake?

They want to be protected from their own bad business decisions, and they want to be protected from technology, and they want to be protected even from the market decisions of their customers.

They want to be protected AND they have the ability to pay for that protection.

Well, each mp3 I download (which is actually zero in about two years) is my way of pushing back. And bankruptcy? You're a fool if you don't charge charge charge and then file.

Bankruptcy and mp3 downloading -- it's not about morals, it's about artful protest.
 
2003-09-03 09:34:26 PM  
but the real question is; when will they start cutting prices on vinyl. when dammit, when!
 
2003-09-03 09:35:38 PM  
About farking time.
 
2003-09-03 09:36:23 PM  
It would help if the labels bothered to keep their back catalogue in print. People who love rare stuff are forced to pay 3x list price for European or Asian imports (which are often remastered as a bonus) or go without the music at all (not available online). So yes, I'd start buying more CDs if I could only find them. It's also unfortunate that only the new release, mass marketable crap will be subjected to this 30% price cut.
 
2003-09-03 09:36:39 PM  
This is finally a step in the right direction! Finally! If I am able to walk into a store and get a cd for 9.99, then I will be a happy pappy.
 
2003-09-03 09:38:46 PM  
Honestly.. I'm not trying to troll here intentionally. I just dont understand when it became hip to steal in the US. I dont like the labels any more than any of you.

If you dont like the system change it.. its that easy.

But on the other hand there's a ton of artists out there that have their own private labels and I'd be willing to bet almost anyone that downloads music doesnt check first to see who puts it out.
 
2003-09-03 09:39:10 PM  
ubermensch

Bands tour to support CD sales. Most medium to small acts break even on touring.

As for the belated discounting: 15 years after they said they would, they did. When CD's first came out they sold for 3 to 5 times what an LP when for. The extra cost was to offset the cost of R&D. When the costs were recouped in the first six months, Tommy kept the prices up so he could afford to bang Mariah.
 
2003-09-03 09:40:11 PM  
They are starting to pay attention to their customers! Maybe the recording industry can reform, and avoid joining the horse-and-buggy industry in the dustbin of history. The other labels ned to follow Universal's lead, stop making "copy protected" discs that don't work, and stop harassing file traders. Read more at www.dontbuycds.org
 
2003-09-03 09:41:00 PM  
"Anybody have a reliable breakdown of how much it actually costs a major label to make a CD?"

my breakdown is quite a biatcheaper I'm guessing, but it's close enough for you to get a good idea. The only artists that spend month after month in the studio know that they are old and busted and trying to hard to do something which they suck at now.


underground music is really where it's at. the major labels are afraid of that truth.
 
2003-09-03 09:41:17 PM  
"If you don't like the system changeit.. it's that easy."

Huh? WTF? I'm living in the USA, 2003. You?
 
2003-09-03 09:42:01 PM  
or you can goto half.com and buy the cd for about 5 or 6
 
2003-09-03 09:42:15 PM  
"JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE, buy your music at best buy....i don't think i've ever paid more than 13 bucks for a cd in my life, at least a domestic release."

best buy doesnt carry any of the artists i like...

sorry, michael jackson & metallica just dont do it for me
 
2003-09-03 09:42:28 PM  
www.downhillbattle.org sums it up nicely...KaZaA works for me.

Too bad none of the listed bands in the article are worth a damn...

Oh the other hand, if I buy a cd from the Exploding Hearts or the Dictators direct...well then, I'm getting good music dirt cheap and the money's going straight to the band.
 
2003-09-03 09:43:18 PM  
DO NOT BUY MUSIC FROM RIAA LABELS, PERIOD.

Any time you buy a CD from a RIAA member label, you're feeding money to the RIAA. And when you feed money to the RIAA, you're paying them to:

-- Kill internet radio
-- Force broadcasters to pay royalties to THEM for music by INDEPENDANT artists
-- Put laws in place that will make it illegal to burn a CD with any content not expressly approved by them (ie, independant artists' music)
-- Put laws in place that will make MP3 players, etc illegal

DO NOT BUY MUSIC FROM ANY RIAA LABEL, EVER! IF YOU DO, YOU'RE PAYING THEM TO DESTROY *YOUR* RIGHTS!
 
2003-09-03 09:43:27 PM  
My...my...html...it...bro..bro..broke...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

the exploding hearts link should be explodinghearts.com

*sob*
 
2003-09-03 09:44:28 PM  
I'm SO sick and tired of hearing about how piracy has killed CD sales. Hello???!??!? Back when Napster was at the height of its power I bought more CDs than I did before or since. Why? I could download the WHOLE CD and preview EVERY SONG in its entirety, not a 15 second clip of 3 or 4 tracks. I know lots of people who can make similar claims as well. I'll still take the discount, though... ;-)
 
2003-09-03 09:44:58 PM  
Prediction: During the holidays this year, you will see new release and hot catalog titles at the big box discounters (Best Buy, Wal-Mart) at prices in the 7.99 to 10.99 price range. Next year, several mall-based and independant music chains will close stores across the country due to lack of revenue from music sales.

Thank you to Universal for being the first to do the only obvious move in the losing war against downloading. Unfortunately, I think it's a "little-too-late" solution to a complex problem.

All the other majors will jump in line by the holidays. For the consumer, it means cheaper CDs. For the retailer, it means lower revenue for an already struggling product line.

/runs a music store
 
2003-09-03 09:45:02 PM  
So now, CDs are only 70% too expensive. Wonderful.
 
2003-09-03 09:45:26 PM  
The only good indie music is Mog's band. It has Funk, something most bands lack today.
 
2003-09-03 09:45:30 PM  
fark YEAH!!

The winds of change are blowing!

"The music industry is realising that often some of the downloaders it labels as thieves are actually trying out music before they buy it." And, "Legal attacks may scare people, but risk alienating customers and making them try harder to rip off the industry, which cannot, even in America, sue everyone."

Quotes from a p2p page?

Actually, they're from the September 2 edition of The Economist in Tipping Hollywood the black spot.

http://www.economist.com/business/displaystor y.cfm?story_id=2024396

As Boycott-RIAA.com states, "Although it's based in Britain, The Economist is one of the most powerful and influential hardcore businesss-stroke-financial magazines in the world and the fact it's acknowledging that file sharing may indeed have positive aspects makes it virtually official."
 
2003-09-03 09:46:36 PM  
The free market is performing rather well here. It's been said that the main psychology of the thief is "I'll break the law to get this because its price exceeds my personal valuation of the item." If the risk of capture (which is a cost in itself) is lower than the price of legitimate acquisition, then thievery occurs.

The hard part is finding out what "price" a thief places on his own head, then undercutting that price without losing money on the item. If this is impossible, the entire industry dies out.
 
2003-09-03 09:47:19 PM  
randomBob

i agaree with you, there's 3 things i hate in life
TAX, COPS, CREDIT CARD COMPANYS (WHO SCREWED ME FOR LIFE)
OH TAX AND COPS ALSO IS SCREWING WITH ME
 
2003-09-03 09:47:37 PM  
Maybe it's just me, but I personally like owning a CD by one of my favorite bands. I don't think that downloading and burning CDs doesn't feel the same as buying a CD, personally. Oh well, does this mean I can get Beatles/Led Zeppelin/Pink Floyd/Tool CDs cheaper...or no?
 
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