Debeo Summa Credo: No, the next robber will know to shoot the store owner before leaving. Why take a chance, right?

/losses all around


Or, you know, since it's a "robber" and not a "murderer" the robber picks a different store. If robbers simply walked in and shot all the occupants before clearing out the till, they'd be known as "murderers" and not "robbers".

/logic: it does a body good
//...much better than a Federal hollow point the ass anyway

Let me put it another way... someone comes at me like this "angel" guy did, I'm taking him out. Whether right then, later that night... the next day or 2 weeks later.

All this way into the thread and no "Final Sacrifice" references yet? For shame!


"Ow! You shot my butt, what the hell? You shot me in the butt!"

Too bad all fatal butt shootings don't end with the victim bursting into flames. Would've saved the shopowner and taxpayers a lot of trouble...

Farkage: PraetorianXVIII: sinschild: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

I hope someday you are robbed. Scratch that, I hope some day you are held down and sodomized with a broken bottle. See how well your plea of "But I have compassion!!! You can't do this!!" plays out with the person jamming a broken bottle into your ass.

You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?

you ever downloaded mp3s? Ever used a copyrighted image without asking the copyright owner? Ever refilled a fountain drink without repaying? Ever made photocopies of something copyrighted?

If so, line up in front of this here trench...

And once you explain how those are violent acts that put someone's life in imminent danger, you will cease to be a tool. Maybe.

I may be a tool, but you appear to be illiterate. What part of "You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?" indicated that they had to be violent?

MaesterFuzzy: ... This man murdered someone over 94 dollars..

Is a life worth $94? That's a question criminals should ask themselves before they rob a store.

Professczar:
No. His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS because he was a Mexican.

/amidoin'itright?

El Salvador /= Mexico, so no, you're not.

If he hadn't been here illegally he'd still be alive.

Oblio13: MaesterFuzzy: ... This man murdered someone over 94 dollars..

Is a life worth $94? That's a question criminals should ask themselves before they rob a store.

THIS, THIS and THIS.

"I cannot believe nobody seems to think that is a problem."

I'm sure the robber's next victim will have less problems.

Before he shot him did he inform him of his right to contact and embassy? Did he even think to ask about his immigration status? Yeah thats what I thought.

PraetorianXVIII: Farkage: PraetorianXVIII: sinschild: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

I hope someday you are robbed. Scratch that, I hope some day you are held down and sodomized with a broken bottle. See how well your plea of "But I have compassion!!! You can't do this!!" plays out with the person jamming a broken bottle into your ass.

You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?

you ever downloaded mp3s? Ever used a copyrighted image without asking the copyright owner? Ever refilled a fountain drink without repaying? Ever made photocopies of something copyrighted?

If so, line up in front of this here trench...

And once you explain how those are violent acts that put someone's life in imminent danger, you will cease to be a tool. Maybe.

I may be a tool, but you appear to be illiterate. What part of "You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?" indicated that they had to be violent?

Hmmm...I was responding to your statement, not the other one. Rape. Yup. Steal, depends on circumstances. Robbery, usually violent or under the threat of violence, as in this case. Me illiterate, no...

PraetorianXVIII: Farkage: PraetorianXVIII: sinschild: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

I hope someday you are robbed. Scratch that, I hope some day you are held down and sodomized with a broken bottle. See how well your plea of "But I have compassion!!! You can't do this!!" plays out with the person jamming a broken bottle into your ass.

You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?

you ever downloaded mp3s? Ever used a copyrighted image without asking the copyright owner? Ever refilled a fountain drink without repaying? Ever made photocopies of something copyrighted?

If so, line up in front of this here trench...

And once you explain how those are violent acts that put someone's life in imminent danger, you will cease to be a tool. Maybe.

I may be a tool, but you appear to be illiterate. What part of "You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?" indicated that they had to be violent?

Ok, I amend the statement. I hope you are peacefully robbed, peacefully raped, and peacefully killed. WTF man? Are you serious?

PraetorianXVIII: Farkage: PraetorianXVIII: sinschild: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

I hope someday you are robbed. Scratch that, I hope some day you are held down and sodomized with a broken bottle. See how well your plea of "But I have compassion!!! You can't do this!!" plays out with the person jamming a broken bottle into your ass.

You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?

you ever downloaded mp3s? Ever used a copyrighted image without asking the copyright owner? Ever refilled a fountain drink without repaying? Ever made photocopies of something copyrighted?

If so, line up in front of this here trench...

And once you explain how those are violent acts that put someone's life in imminent danger, you will cease to be a tool. Maybe.

I may be a tool, but you appear to be illiterate. What part of "You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?" indicated that they had to be violent?

Oh yes, and since when are rape and killing someone not violent? Yes sir, literacy fails you...

The Life Of Brian: Don't break into my house and rob me.. I have no guns (Canadian eh!), but I do have a 6 foot steel bar behind my bedroom door, and if you turn your back on me to leave, you're getting that over the head, even if I have to run to catch up with you as you go out the door!

No you wouldn't. The cops would find you sitting in the corner of the room, rocking back and forth and humming "O Canada".

sinschild: PraetorianXVIII: Farkage: PraetorianXVIII: sinschild: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

I hope someday you are robbed. Scratch that, I hope some day you are held down and sodomized with a broken bottle. See how well your plea of "But I have compassion!!! You can't do this!!" plays out with the person jamming a broken bottle into your ass.

You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?

you ever downloaded mp3s? Ever used a copyrighted image without asking the copyright owner? Ever refilled a fountain drink without repaying? Ever made photocopies of something copyrighted?

If so, line up in front of this here trench...

And once you explain how those are violent acts that put someone's life in imminent danger, you will cease to be a tool. Maybe.

I may be a tool, but you appear to be illiterate. What part of "You rob, steal, kill or rape, you forfeit your right to live. Why is this even under discussion?" indicated that they had to be violent?

Ok, I amend the statement. I hope you are peacefully robbed, peacefully raped, and peacefully killed. WTF man? Are you serious?

I lol'd!

To MaesterFuzzy :


Hey, asshole, try getting robbed some time...see how much you like it.


The asshole who robbed me for 2.5 years for taking a few bucks ($32, iirc...the police gave me back $36).

If I knew then what I learned when going to court over this crap, I would have not said a whole hell of a lot to his lawyer, who gave me a short interview outside the court. Inside, I would have told every last detailed that I recalled in perfect clarity - and made sure the sack of crap went to jail a lot longer than a couple of years. Fark that piece of shiat.

His lawyer told me ' Whoa, you remember all of this, I cant use you in there.' No shiat, Sherlock. He cost me a hell of a lot more than Thirty Farking dollars.



Now, in this case - did the guy deserve to die? How long was his rap sheet? Who else had he victimized? Would he have given up robbing folks and become a model citizen?

I would guess no, and now he is dead. Fark him.

I believe in use of deadly force in a case like this, he came in, scared the guy to death and then robbed him. One less piece of shiat on the streets.

I kicked the shiat out of a guy to tried to steal my dog. I chased him down, knocked him off his bike, retrieved my dog, walked back to my car, put my dog in, closed the door, locked it, walked back over to the guy, knocked him back to the ground and kicked him in the balls twice. K-9 cop across the street saw the whole thing. He finished his coffee and arrested the guy.

In Berkeley, you get to kill people who try to steal your dog.

/non-violent
//except when it's about my dogs
///then it's stabby time

MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

He killed someone who was a threat to him as he tried to prevent a petty robbery. You can make the argument that he put himself in harm's way to stop the robbery, but you really can't make the argument that he did not shoot in self defense.

When this country gets to the point that we are required to cower and retreat from criminals when we have the means to stop them, well, hell, it is already that way in most states.

Alleyoop: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger.

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Ditto. Tired of violent criminals having more rights than law-abiding citizens.

If this happened out west, the Sheriff would give him a medal. If fact in happens all the time.

PraetorianXVIII: sinschild: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

Yes, because criminals have NEVER turned around or come back...

you ever downloaded mp3s? Ever used a copyrighted image without asking the copyright owner? Ever refilled a fountain drink without repaying? Ever made photocopies of something copyrighted?

If so, line up in front of this here trench...

You don't threaten people with deadly force before doing these things dumbass.



"I'm gonna kill you if I don't get another liter of cola!!!"

The tea party must be so confused as to who to hate more right now....

The robber was an illegal immigrant, and the shooter was a muslim. Would they be more outraged that the illegal died in an American hospital (and taking taxpayer money and American jobs with him), or the fact that a muslim (is he here taking American jobs illegally too?) with a weapon (did he learn how to use it in terrorist training camp?) will not be charged?

taking the hollow points in the ass and bleeding to death outside of the 7-11s Americans just won't...

Gentoolive: And if it happened more often, there would be a lot less scumbags on the street.

/good shootin tex

He fired 5 rounds and only one hit the guy, not my definition of "good" shootin.

Draskuul: The robber is the one who made this determination. He is the one who decided his life was worth whatever he could get from a gas station register.

Kudos to the store owner and the DA.

THIS.

Professczar: No. His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS because he was a Mexican.

/amidoin'itright?

Guy wasn't Mexican, he was from El Salvador. (IMO that's worse)

Good for the store owner. I would have taken my sweet time calling it in also.

*bang!*
Robber: "Owwwwwwww!" (sobbing) "My assss." (more sobbing)
Store owner: (Looks at blood gushing out) "Heh." (turns around, walks back into store, slow and calm, whistling)

Joe Horn approves

The Life Of Brian: TheirThey'reNow: The Life Of Brian: Don't break into my house and rob me.. I have no guns (Canadian eh!), but I do have a 6 foot steel bar behind my bedroom door, and if you turn your back on me to leave, you're getting that over the head, even if I have to run to catch up with you as you go out the door!

No you wouldn't. The cops would find you sitting in the corner of the room, rocking back and forth and humming "O Canada".

Naw I'm too old for that...It would be God Save the Queen...

/and you're right in a way, I'd probably be too drunk to know what happened!

lol

girl6: I kicked the shiat out of a guy to tried to steal my dog. I chased him down, knocked him off his bike, retrieved my dog, walked back to my car, put my dog in, closed the door, locked it, walked back over to the guy, knocked him back to the ground and kicked him in the balls twice. K-9 cop across the street saw the whole thing. He finished his coffee and arrested the guy.

In Berkeley, you get to kill people who try to steal your dog.

/non-violent
//except when it's about my dogs
///then it's stabby time

And that is why you will stay single and not have any children

/Do not refer to your dogs as your children, thats just creepy, and thats why you're probably single

airsickmoth: The tea party must be so confused as to who to hate more right now....

The robber was an illegal immigrant, and the shooter was a muslim. Would they be more outraged that the illegal died in an American hospital (and taking taxpayer money and American jobs with him), or the fact that a muslim (is he here taking American jobs illegally too?) with a weapon (did he learn how to use it in terrorist training camp?) will not be charged?

1/10. You're just an idiot.

Don't want to get shot? Don't commit armed robbery. Not surprised that loons are here defending the evil person who started all this again. Always have to side with the bad guys, right? Looking at you MaesterFuzzy.

ghare: Geez, dude, don't you understand Christianity? Jesus said, "And if someone tries to take your cloak, you can crucify him or do whatever, because that "thou shalt not kill shiat" is a liberal misinterpretation of My law."

Oh look. You're here with your derp. Where in the article does it mention anything about Mr. Mapher Ibrahimi's religion?

skylabdown: airsickmoth: The tea party must be so confused as to who to hate more right now....

The robber was an illegal immigrant, and the shooter was a muslim. Would they be more outraged that the illegal died in an American hospital (and taking taxpayer money and American jobs with him), or the fact that a muslim (is he here taking American jobs illegally too?) with a weapon (did he learn how to use it in terrorist training camp?) will not be charged?

1/10. You're just an idiot.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Muslim guy was probably here legally, and probably got a tax free business loan to open his store. They know how to work the system for that. Most of the illegals from south of the border( will patiently wait for any Pedro references) usually don't take the time to do paperwork they just get here and start "working"

Prosecutor should have charged him. Once the robber left the store, the man was no longer in danger. He purposely went out and shot the dude from behind, putting innocent civilians at risk.

The law is very clear cut about this. Civilians are not the police and not allowed to shoot at criminals unless they or another person are in immediate danger (self defense!). The fact that the prosecutor didn't charge the store owner here shows more about how he wants to go with popular sentiment instead of following the law. (Hmm, does he have to be re-elected??)

If people want to talk about what the criminal "deserves", the answer is clear - He deserves to be brought before a court and to answer for his crimes. Is it really that hard for most of you primates to reconcile the concept of "a nation ruled by laws, not men" with your monkey lust for blood?

MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

Cocksuckers like you always want to make sure that robbery is safe for the thug. You don't give a damn about the guy that went to work and got robbed.

The guy running the donut shop isn't a threat to society. He's only a threat to people who walk into his store at 3:30AM and say "Give me the money or I'll farking kill you".

However, up until he was shot and killed, the illegal immigrant who thought that armed robbery was a good way to make a living was certainly a threat to society.

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I bet that robber's azz that the store owner did not produce a Heckner and Koch from a holster. No such weapon exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_USP

http://www.holsters-holsters-holsters.com/holsters-for-hecklerandkoch.htm

Best I can tell, you are just being an idiot because someone misspelled Heckler.

MaesterFuzzy: He didn't risk his life at all.

Then how did he end up dead? Sounds like there must have been some risk there after all.

As well, if someone was loitering and got shot, your logic says you'd support their death.

Right. Because loitering is the same thing as armed robbery.

Someone decided to shoot him when they had no legal right to.

Deputy State's Attorney William Roessler disagrees with you.

He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

Apparently he thought so, or he wouldn't have risked his life by robbing the store. This situation occurred for one reason only - because this thug decided that he could get away with robbing this store. And if he had gotten away with it, he would have robbed another store, and another.

Being a thug should not be a safe job occupation.

To be fair, the criminal was an illegal immigrant so he's not really a person anyway.

JuggleGeek: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

Cocksuckers like you always want to make sure that robbery is safe for the thug. You don't give a damn about the guy that went to work and got robbed.

The guy running the donut shop isn't a threat to society. He's only a threat to people who walk into his store at 3:30AM and say "Give me the money or I'll farking kill you".

However, up until he was shot and killed, the illegal immigrant who thought that armed robbery was a good way to make a living was certainly a threat to society.

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I bet that robber's azz that the store owner did not produce a Heckner and Koch from a holster. No such weapon exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_USP

http://www.holsters-holsters-holsters.com/holsters-for-hecklerandkoch.htm

Best I can tell, you are just being an idiot because someone misspelled Heckler.

MaesterFuzzy: He didn't risk his life at all.

Then how did he end up dead? Sounds like there must have been some risk there after all.

As well, if someone was loitering and got shot, your logic says you'd support their death.

Right. Because loitering is the same thing as armed robbery.

Someone decided to shoot him when they had no legal right to.

Deputy State's Attorney William Roessler disagrees with you.

He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

Apparently he thought so, or he wouldn't have risked his life by robbing the store. This situation occurred for one reason only - because this thug decided that he could get away with robbing this store. And if he had gotten away with it, he would have robbed another store, and another.

Being a thug should not be a safe job occupation.

Hahaha. Well put. Looks like some fellow Farkers got owned!

Billygoat Gruff: Because on FARK if you don't agree with a law it's OK to break it. The illegal immigration threads are a great example of this

He was an illegal immigrant, isn't this a both thread?

socodog: Poor little shiatstain. He had so little time to rob and steal and terrorize innocent people. I'm just gonna go bleed right out of my ass for this poor, farkfaced little cocksmoker.

His mother and father should realize that they are complete and utter failures in the care and feeding of this pock mark on the ass of society. This was a badly needed abortion that happened a few decades too late, people. fark this guy. Get robbed at gunpoint and see if you feel differently.

// not a troll. I'm GD serious.

Totally agree, but his parents are likely already dead. El Salvador had a big civil war not too long ago and most of that country is Very Young (by comparison to other countries) Not too many people in that country are over 30 (unless they're originally from somewhere else). And that country is a major police state. You can't go 30 feet (even in the "good" parts) without seeing an armed police officer/guard. Usually armed with an assult rifle or shotgun. It's the birthplace of MS13 - They just breed criminals there.

Blame Lawyers. If someone breaks into my place, I'm not going to want to wound them.... if they're alive, they could sue.

St_Francis_P: The man with an "Only god can judge me" tattoo across his chest died later that morning at the Prince George's County Trauma Center.

Well now he can find out just what God thinks of him.

His last name is Angel.
God just may change the dude's first name to "Fallen".

I'm going to guess that those in this thread arguing that the store owner murdered the guy have never been robbed at gunpoint.

I have. Twice.

The first time, I was working the counter at an auto parts store. Guy walks in, whips out a pistol and demands the cash. I start to open the register and the store manager, who was standing beside me, hit the button for the silent alarm. The robber fired a shot about 6" over my head and told the manager "Next one goes between her eyes if you don't get your farking hands where I can see them". At that point, I dropped the cash on the floor in my panic. As the guy looks over the counter, he sees the manager picking up the cash. What he didn't see was me pulling the trigger on the spear gun we had hanging under the counter. The spear struck him between his right thigh and balls. He bled out before the cops arrived.

The second time, I was working a 10 PM to 6 AM shift at a gas station in Las Vegas. This time, the store was equipped with 3/4" thick sheet steel behind the counter, a solid steel door leading to the cashier area and 2" thick Lexan from the counter top to the ceiling. In this case, since I knew the bullets from the .22 semi automatic pistol he had wouldn't make a dent, I simply hit the switch for the alarm, hit a second switch that locked the doors and waited for the cops. He emptied his magazine in the direction of the Lexan while I read my newspaper. If he'd been carrying anything larger, I would have been hiding in the back to wait on the cops.

The difference is in the second case, the robber posed no threat - he was contained inside the store. The first time, the counter area was wide open and he could have run out, presenting a threat to the public at large. I felt the heat of the muzzle discharge and had some minor powder burns on my scalp. The man presented a deadly threat and was met with equal force.

TwistedFark: Prosecutor should have charged him. Once the robber left the store, the man was no longer in danger.

This is not how I interpret the story. Mr. Angel could have come back for all the proprietor knew.

TwistedFark:
If people want to talk about what the criminal "deserves", the answer is clear - He deserves to be brought before a court and to answer for his crimes. Is it really that hard for most of you primates to reconcile the concept of "a nation ruled by laws, not men" with your monkey lust for blood?

It would be a waste of time and taxpayers' money to hale Mr. Angel into court. He's already dead.

TwistedFark: The law is very clear cut about this. Civilians are not the police and not allowed to shoot at criminals unless they or another person are in immediate danger (self defense!).

From the article :

It didn't matter that Angel - an illegal immigrant with only traffic crimes on his record in Maryland - was trying to run away at the time of the shooting, Roessler said. Under his reading of state law, a store owner is allowed to pursue a thief and try to reclaim his property.

"The owner was under no obligation to remain in his store or to retreat," Roessler said.

He added that since Angel said in the store he had a gun, Ibrahimi was within his rights to use lethal force when he saw the man swing his arm around.

"If you believe the store owner, and we have nothing to contradict him, then he responded legally," said Roessler, stressing that he found Ibrahimi to be serious, candid, soft-spoken and "believable."

Trollomite: girl6: I kicked the shiat out of a guy to tried to steal my dog. I chased him down, knocked him off his bike, retrieved my dog, walked back to my car, put my dog in, closed the door, locked it, walked back over to the guy, knocked him back to the ground and kicked him in the balls twice. K-9 cop across the street saw the whole thing. He finished his coffee and arrested the guy.

In Berkeley, you get to kill people who try to steal your dog.

/non-violent
//except when it's about my dogs
///then it's stabby time

And that is why you will stay single and not have any children

/Do not refer to your dogs as your children, thats just creepy, and thats why you're probably single

I didn't see anywhere in his post that he referred to his dog as his child. but go ahead and make assumptions. You could replace "Dog" with any other word and I'd still be ok with his actions. What gives ANY farker the Right to steal from someone else? (except the government. They have carte blanche)

Alleyoop: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger.

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+1

You threaten people, expect some to fight back.