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bigbabysurfer		2011-07-10 04:06:52 PM

Billygoat Gruff: gaslight: There are some major veins and blood vessels in the buttocks. The Three Stooges aside, it's not a great place to get shot.

/Where is a good place?
//The small toe. That's about it.

You'll be the limpingnest ho in all of Harlem!

As soon as I read the words "small toe," I started hoping for this - leaving very satisfied!

videos.videopress.com

/HE SHOT ME IN MY PINKY TOE!!!

MaesterFuzzy		2011-07-10 04:07:17 PM

Dimensio: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

Perhaps, had Mr. Angel not wished to die, he should have refrained from committing an act of armed robbery. Mr. Angel was not entitled to the property of Mr. Ibrahimi's store.

You guys have got to be farking kidding me. "It's okay that he was murdered because he commmitted a crime" is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, the fact that someone can think this way and still be a human being is astounding to me. He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

algrant33		2011-07-10 04:07:42 PM

MaesterFuzzy: dweigert: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

0/10 - the robber put his own life in jeopardy by committing the crime. He has no right to think he got away with it.

/liberal non gun owner

How did he put his life in jeopardy? The only, ONLY legally sound situations where someone robbing a gas station would get shot are if he gets shot in legitimate self defense as he was about to harm someone or shoot someone, by the cops.

He didn't use his gun. His life wasn't in jeopardy for one second. The police don't shoot random criminals without reason(well, they arent supposed to), he didn't use deadly force and so deadly force wouldn't be used against him (or shouldn't, from a legal standpoint) by the store owner. He didn't risk his life at all.

You may as well say anyone who gets shot at any time put their life in jeopardy, what with how they were doing nothing to warrant getting shot just like this guy (again, no, robbing a gas station is not a situation that warrants getting shot), and therefore deserved it and their killer should go free. It follows all the same logic you're using to decide that this guy put his life in jeopardy.

As well, if someone was loitering and got shot, your logic says you'd support their death.

If someone was jaywalking and got shot, same deal. They committed a crime! That put their life in jeopardy?

Someone decided to shoot him when they had no legal right to. If it's legal here, do you support random shootings being legal too? Your logic says you do, but something tells me you don't think that.

A credible threat of deadly force = the use of deadly force. So bullshiat.

TravisBickle62		2011-07-10 04:08:12 PM

Dimensio		2011-07-10 04:08:19 PM

MaesterFuzzy: He didn't use his gun. His life wasn't in jeopardy for one second.

An aggressive display of a deadly weapon creates reasonable fear of imminent death or grievous bodily injury and, under any reasonable legal system, constitutes legal justification for use of deadly force. Requiring that an individual wait until an aggressively displayed firearm is discharged prior to legally allowing a response of deadly force is unreasonable.

IStateTheObvious		2011-07-10 04:09:19 PM

If you're going to yank a tiger by the tail, you'd better have a plan to deal with his teeth.

Tingle007		2011-07-10 04:09:42 PM

And nothing of value was lost. Seriously fark the thief.

craigzy		2011-07-10 04:09:50 PM

hero?

MaesterFuzzy		2011-07-10 04:09:59 PM

An aggressive display of a deadly weapon creates reasonable fear of imminent death or grievous bodily injury and, under any reasonable legal system, constitutes legal justification for use of deadly force

He was not shot while displaying his deadly weapon agressively. He was shot OUTSIDE OF THE farkING STORE, WHILE RUNNING AWAY. THAT IS NOT. SELF. DEFENSE. That is MURDER. There is precedent for this! The store owner killed someone, illegally, and should be farking put in jail!

This man murdered someone over 94 dollars. I cannot believe nobody seems to think that is a problem.

ronnie spleen		2011-07-10 04:10:09 PM

"It just doesn't look like self-defense to me," said George Harper, an attorney representing Angel's widow, Nancy Aldano. He plans to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Ibrahimi in the coming weeks.

Nancy might be filing that from a long way south of Maryland...

mephisto6		2011-07-10 04:10:13 PM

mfsteve: As we say in Arizona, "bueno".

I picked up a 6-pack of Stone at the gas station about a week ago. Couple kids in front of me set two cases of Bud on the counter and when the dude asked for ID, the one on the right just sort of sighed and said, "ready?" And then they ran out of the store with the beer.
Counter guy mumbled something about "goddammit paper-work."
I pointed at my beer, then at the door, and said "Can I just..."
But he said "Nnnooo" all slow and serious. So I went ahead and bought it.

TravisBickle62		2011-07-10 04:10:57 PM

MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

Yer TROLLING TROLLING TROLLING but ain't nothing biting no more ...

algrant33		2011-07-10 04:11:00 PM

ghare		2011-07-10 04:11:07 PM

Ed_Severson		2011-07-10 04:11:09 PM

cig-mkr		2011-07-10 04:12:09 PM

My CCWP instructor was right, kill them and then the cops only have one story to listen to. No he said, she said crap.
Pray to God I never have to use my 9, but will if forced to.

NightOwl2255		2011-07-10 04:12:18 PM

In Oklahoma a pharmacist just got found guilty of first degree murder for shooting a robber who was still in the store. Of course the robber was laying on the floor unarmed and unconscious from a head shot at the time the pharmacist shot him 5 times in the gut from a foot away.

SearchN		2011-07-10 04:12:28 PM

algrant33: MaesterFuzzy: dweigert: MaesterFuzzy: [straw-man]

A credible threat of deadly force = the use of deadly force. So bullshiat.

He put himself in danger. Don't want to get shot in the ass? Don't commit the crime that would cause someone to shoot you in the ass.

omegadirective		2011-07-10 04:12:34 PM

Prosecutorial discretion.

Dimensio		2011-07-10 04:12:42 PM

MaesterFuzzy: You guys have got to be farking kidding me. "It's okay that he was murdered because he commmitted a crime is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, the fact that someone can think this way and still be a human being is astounding to me.

You have dishonestly misrepresented my statement. I stated that deadly force was justifiable because Mr. Angel committed an act of armed robbery, not because Mr. Angel had committed a nonspecific crime.

He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

Yes; the life of an individual who chooses to commit an act of armed robbery is worth less than the sum of forty dollars.

basemetal		2011-07-10 04:12:50 PM

Meh, screw that piece of crap. The owner should sue the robber's family for mental anguish.

Gentoolive		2011-07-10 04:13:05 PM

MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

And if it happened more often, there would be a lot less scumbags on the street.

/good shootin tex

The_Sponge		2011-07-10 04:14:01 PM

MaesterFuzzy: You guys have got to be farking kidding me. "It's okay that he was murdered because he commmitted a crime" is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, the fact that someone can think this way and still be a human being is astounding to me. He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

It's all well and good to say that until you've either been robbed or somebody has stolen from you.

Things I own that are worth more than the life of a scumbag robber:

Jeep Wranger
TV
My cat
Computer
Humidor
The three bottles of Heineken left in my fridge

/Kidding with the last one.

SearchN		2011-07-10 04:14:36 PM

MaesterFuzzy: [Trolling]

Ah, never mind. Carry on.

10/10, got me to bite.

DLTBGYD		2011-07-10 04:15:09 PM

NightOwl2255: In Oklahoma a pharmacist just got found guilty of first degree murder for shooting a robber who was still in the store. Of course the robber was laying on the floor unarmed and unconscious from a head shot at the time the pharmacist shot him 5 times in the gut from a foot away.

and if this is the same story i'm thinking of, the pharmacist got another gun between shootings and shot him again.

The Life Of Brian		2011-07-10 04:15:33 PM

trentrockport: Snapper Carr:
Once the robber exits the premises and is no longer a threat, it should be law enforcement's responsibility to stop him

Good luck with that.

Bad guy's dead. One less scumbag in the world.

Not only that, but you have my hard earned money, if I feel I can relatively safely go after you, I am! The guy was robbed several times in the past month. He isn't getting his money back from the cops...

Times are tough... Don't touch my stuff!

algrant33		2011-07-10 04:15:40 PM

The_Sponge: MaesterFuzzy: You guys have got to be farking kidding me. "It's okay that he was murdered because he commmitted a crime" is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, the fact that someone can think this way and still be a human being is astounding to me. He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

It's all well and good to say that until you've either been robbed or somebody has stolen from you.

Things I own that are worth more than the life of a scumbag robber:

Jeep Wranger
TV
My cat
Computer
Humidor
The three bottles of Heineken left in my fridge

/Kidding with the last one.

Worth splitting open a robber's head with. Or, you know, jugular.

Craptastic		2011-07-10 04:15:53 PM

I gotta say, if you shoot someone while they're running away, you've just committed aggravated murder. (or manslaughter, same thing unless you're a defense attorney).

I'm fine with self-defense, but when you shoot a man in the back, you're no longer defending yourself.

kxs401		2011-07-10 04:16:09 PM

Glad to see there are one or two people on Fark with some basic human decency.

Dimensio		2011-07-10 04:16:22 PM

ghare: Geez, dude, don't you understand Christianity? Jesus said, "And if someone tries to take your cloak, you can crucify him or do whatever, because that "thou shalt not kill shiat" is a liberal misinterpretation of My law."

Christianity is not relevant to the current discussion.

The_Sponge		2011-07-10 04:16:25 PM

It's a shame the guy died.....only because he never had the opportunity to rob the yahoos who are white-knighting him in this thread.

bim1154		2011-07-10 04:16:45 PM

basemetal		2011-07-10 04:17:09 PM

The_Sponge: MaesterFuzzy: You guys have got to be farking kidding me. "It's okay that he was murdered because he commmitted a crime" is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, the fact that someone can think this way and still be a human being is astounding to me. He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

It's all well and good to say that until you've either been robbed or somebody has stolen from you.

Things I own that are worth more than the life of a scumbag robber:

Jeep Wranger
TV
My cat
Computer
Humidor
The three bottles of Heineken left in my fridge

/Kidding with the last one.

No, Sponge, those Heinekens are worth more than a scumbag like that.

The_Sponge		2011-07-10 04:18:12 PM

ghare: Geez, dude, don't you understand Christianity? Jesus said, "And if someone tries to take your cloak, you can crucify him or do whatever, because that "thou shalt not kill shiat" is a liberal misinterpretation of My law."

If you own a cloak in this day and age, somebody is doing you a favor by stealing it.

TravisBickle62		2011-07-10 04:18:18 PM

Craptastic: I gotta say, if you shoot someone while they're running away, you've just committed aggravated murder. (or manslaughter, same thing unless you're a defense attorney).

I'm fine with self-defense, but when you shoot a man in the back, you're no longer defending yourself.

That's TROLLERIFIC!!!!

jso2897		2011-07-10 04:18:32 PM

The_Sponge: MaesterFuzzy: You guys have got to be farking kidding me. "It's okay that he was murdered because he commmitted a crime" is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, the fact that someone can think this way and still be a human being is astounding to me. He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

It's all well and good to say that until you've either been robbed or somebody has stolen from you.

Things I own that are worth more than the life of a scumbag robber:

Jeep Wranger
TV
My cat
Computer
Humidor
The three bottles of Heineken left in my fridge

/Kidding with the last one.

To me, it has nothing to do with the value of property - if some guy is driving off in my solid gold Deusenberg, and offering no threat, I am not going to shoot him in the back.
But if I holler "stop!" and he turns round with a weapon in his hand - well, lets just say I can't be responsible under that circumstance.

Dimensio		2011-07-10 04:18:36 PM

Craptastic: I gotta say, if you shoot someone while they're running away, you've just committed aggravated murder. (or manslaughter, same thing unless you're a defense attorney).

Annapolis prosecutors, who are a more credible authority in this regard, do not share your assessment.

I'm fine with self-defense, but when you shoot a man in the back, you're no longer defending yourself.

Stealing the livelihood of another individual justifies defensive measures.

NightOwl2255		2011-07-10 04:19:13 PM

DLTBGYD: and if this is the same story i'm thinking of, the pharmacist got another gun between shootings and shot him again.

That would be correct. And he's a pathological lair. He lied so much you would need a flow chart to keep track of the lies. He's going to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Craptastic		2011-07-10 04:20:34 PM

Dimensio: Craptastic: I gotta say, if you shoot someone while they're running away, you've just committed aggravated murder. (or manslaughter, same thing unless you're a defense attorney).

Annapolis prosecutors, who are a more credible authority in this regard, do not share your assessment.

I'm fine with self-defense, but when you shoot a man in the back, you're no longer defending yourself.

Stealing the livelihood of another individual justifies defensive measures.

How is shooting a guy in the back "defensive"?

PraetorianXVIII		2011-07-10 04:21:26 PM

this doesn't sit well with me. I mean, let's call a spade a spade, or in this case, not a spade (or something?). This isn't self defense or defense of property. You want to make some kind of weird . . . armed replevin argument, fine, but to classify this as "self defense" or "defense of property" is kind of bending the terms to a state unrecognizable.

Edwardo17		2011-07-10 04:21:42 PM

These threads are always so predictable... it's like everyone on Fark tries to out-troll each other, or at least try to beat each other in an 'internet tough guy' pissing contest. The saddest part? I've seen better forum discussions in /r/politics, which is where Reddit sends all their morons. Well, I guess Fark and Reddit have that in common?

The_Sponge		2011-07-10 04:21:56 PM

Everyone just settle down, damn it! I'm sick of this arguing.

At least we all can agree that the perp learned his lesson.

jake3988		2011-07-10 04:22:32 PM

A moment later, Angel, 29, of Laurel, was on the ground, bleeding from a single shot to his buttocks in a nearby parking lot. The man with an "Only god can judge me" tattoo across his chest died later that morning at the Prince George's County Trauma Center.
==========================================================

What the hell? How do you get shot ONCE and only in the ass and die of the wounds?

Unless he bled out for an hour before he decided to call the cops, that seems... unlikely.

The Life Of Brian		2011-07-10 04:22:34 PM

MaesterFuzzy: Dimensio: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

Perhaps, had Mr. Angel not wished to die, he should have refrained from committing an act of armed robbery. Mr. Angel was not entitled to the property of Mr. Ibrahimi's store.

You guys have got to be farking kidding me. "It's okay that he was murdered because he commmitted a crime" is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, the fact that someone can think this way and still be a human being is astounding to me. He robbed a damn GAS STATION! His life was worth less than the farking store owner's NINETY FOUR DOLLARS?

Some say you are trolling.. I don't think so..

I'm the typical 'Liberal' that some on Fark would hate on, but I really have no problem with this.

As I said in a prev post..Times ARE tough. You are not taking my farking money without a fight!

Guy was shot in the ass...IF he hadn't died, I don't think many would have a problem with this...

Now, there was a story a couple months ago about the store owner who shot the perp, reloaded, and shot him again - NO that's not ok!

In this case, he stopped the guy from leaving with his property, then waited for the cops...He didn't go shoot him more in a revenge/anger type situation.

Don't break into my house and rob me.. I have no guns (Canadian eh!), but I do have a 6 foot steel bar behind my bedroom door, and if you turn your back on me to leave, you're getting that over the head, even if I have to run to catch up with you as you go out the door!

Guairdean		2011-07-10 04:22:54 PM

"This was the second robbery in three weeks at the store and the fourth in 17 months." Hopefully, the rest of the neighborhood scumbags will get the message.

PraetorianXVIII		2011-07-10 04:23:34 PM

Dimensio: MaesterFuzzy: He didn't use his gun. His life wasn't in jeopardy for one second.

An aggressive display of a deadly weapon creates reasonable fear of imminent death or grievous bodily injury and, under any reasonable legal system, constitutes legal justification for use of deadly force. Requiring that an individual wait until an aggressively displayed firearm is discharged prior to legally allowing a response of deadly force is unreasonable.

I'm sure you'd sing a different tune if a cop shot you because you had your hand in your pocket

basemetal		2011-07-10 04:23:34 PM

NightOwl2255: DLTBGYD: and if this is the same story i'm thinking of, the pharmacist got another gun between shootings and shot him again.

That would be correct. And he's a pathological lair. He lied so much you would need a flow chart to keep track of the lies. He's going to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Still, no matter the lies or the the new gun, there are a whole lot of people in Okla who want that pharmacist to go free.

dweigert		2011-07-10 04:23:35 PM

MaesterFuzzy: dweigert: MaesterFuzzy: He shot him as he was running. He was no longer in danger. That is not self defense, and he most definitely should be charged. He murdered someone over a petty robbery.

How did he put his life in jeopardy? The only, ONLY legally sound situations where someone robbing a gas station would get shot are if he gets shot in legitimate self defence as he was about to harm someone or shoot someone, by the cops.

Hmm... Interesting point of view. So you are saying I have a perfect right to walk into a store, claim to be armed, and demand cash. HE CLAIMED TO BE ARMED. That is the sticking point. Not whether he pulled the gun or not. Once you claim to be armed, you are in a deadly situation. End of story. The shop keeper has a right to go after his assets, that is the legal position in that state. When the perpetrator turned, the shop keeper didn't have any choice but to open fire.

Dimensio		2011-07-10 04:23:56 PM

Craptastic: Dimensio: Craptastic: I gotta say, if you shoot someone while they're running away, you've just committed aggravated murder. (or manslaughter, same thing unless you're a defense attorney).

Annapolis prosecutors, who are a more credible authority in this regard, do not share your assessment.

I'm fine with self-defense, but when you shoot a man in the back, you're no longer defending yourself.

Stealing the livelihood of another individual justifies defensive measures.

How is shooting a guy in the back "defensive"?

Utilization of force as a means for re-obtaining property necessary for a livelihood from an individual who has taken it unlawfully and who has not willingly surrendered it is a defense of livelihood.

The_Sponge		2011-07-10 04:23:57 PM

The Life Of Brian: Don't break into my house and rob me.. I have no guns (Canadian eh!), but I do have a 6 foot steel bar behind my bedroom door, and if you turn your back on me to leave, you're getting that over the head, even if I have to run to catch up with you as you go out the door!

Then I'll just steal your steel bar. OH SNAP!

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