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2011-07-10 01:38:25 AM
1 Guy 1 Brick?
 
Nib
2011-07-10 01:38:32 AM
What an udder shame.
 
2011-07-10 01:38:47 AM
I dunno. His name sounds a little terroristy to me.

Maybe this has prevented a terrorist attack down the line.
 
2011-07-10 01:42:14 AM
Also, this (new window)
 
2011-07-10 01:45:58 AM

The Repeated Meme: I dunno. His name sounds a little terroristy to me.

Maybe this has prevented a terrorist attack down the line.


skinheads one, terrorists nil.
 
2011-07-10 01:46:22 AM

The Repeated Meme: I dunno. His name sounds a little terroristy to me.

Maybe this has prevented a terrorist attack down the line.


Umess Chaudhari sounds Indian, not Arabic. So unless he was a Kashmiri revolutionary, then I'm gonna say you're a xenophobe.

/yes, yes, feeding the troll, i know
 
2011-07-10 01:57:47 AM
Umess with skins, Uget the brick.

/sometimes even if Udon't
 
2011-07-10 01:58:09 AM
Oh great, now the UK is gonna ban bricks.
 
2011-07-10 01:59:10 AM
He sounds like a dairy intolerant person to just kill someone like that.
 
2011-07-10 02:02:41 AM
"I'd hit you over the head with a brick if I had one!"
"Oh, well luckily I bring a brick on all my auditions for such occasions"
"I oughta lay it on your head!"
"You can't do that - you're not part of the bricklayers' union!"

/Nobody will ever match Groucho or Chico
 
2011-07-10 02:02:58 AM

fluffy2097: He sounds like a dairy intolerant person to just kill someone like that.


that would be funny if this had happened in ireland. however...
 
2011-07-10 02:04:11 AM
Time to ban bricks! No person should be allowed to own such a deadly implement!
 
2011-07-10 02:05:18 AM

colithian: /yes, yes, feeding the troll, i know


Your sarcasm detector needs to be recalibrated.
 
2011-07-10 02:05:24 AM
At least he didn't have a gun. He could have killed someone! Oh, wait.......
 
2011-07-10 02:15:26 AM
Not a chav? Really?
 
2011-07-10 02:15:43 AM
I'm trying to figure out what was going on in the murderer's head. Most people just don't decide to bash someone to death with a brick just because they walked out into the street.
/world is goin nuts.
 
2011-07-10 02:25:23 AM
Bricks don't kill people, people kill people.... but, we should outlaw bricks anyhow... then only outlaws shall have bricks! And, you will never take a hefty dump in a brick shiat-house again!!!!!! Unless, it is a speak-ez shiat-house.... not that you want to talk loud in one of those anyhow, unless it is to cover the noise of your flatulence.
And, no milk in there, either... just in case someone pries a brick loose and gets all thumpy.
 
2011-07-10 02:29:22 AM
When you strip the subjects of the right to defend themselves this is what you get.
 
2011-07-10 02:44:47 AM

obamadidcoke: When you strip the subjects of the right to defend themselves this is what you get.


5/10, the sn gave it away.
 
2011-07-10 02:51:07 AM

Kurmudgeon: I'm trying to figure out what was going on in the murderer's head. Most people just don't decide to bash someone to death with a brick just because they walked out into the street.
/world is goin nuts.


I don't know about the world, but this guy was sectioned under the Mental Health Act. It's tragic what happened to the victim, there's no doubt about that, but if he was delusional or hallucinating he really wasn't responsible for his actions. I work with the mentally ill, and when someone's having a psychotic episode there's no way to "rationally think it away." We don't know what his mental illness was, but if he were hallucinating that the guy was actually a pus-dripping monster lumbering down the street to kill him and eat his brains, could you really blame him for reacting that way? To someone experiencing a hallucination or delusion, that is reality, there's no explaining "No, no, that fire breathing two headed zombie is actually some normal guy going out to get milk." Again, we don't know what mental illness he actually has, and just because he is mentally ill doesn't automatically mean he didn't know what he was doing or couldn't control his actions, but if, as they seemed to subtly imply, he really was having some sort of psychotic episode, I feel bad for both of the victim and the guy. The victim lost his life, yes, and that is absolutely terrible - but once the episode is over and this guy becomes coherent, he's going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. They're both victims of circumstance here, it would seem.
 
2011-07-10 03:49:25 AM
I`m glad this insane young man finally answered why milk used to be delivered to your house. That shiat was keeping me up at night thinking about it.
 
2011-07-10 03:54:01 AM

batcookie: Kurmudgeon: I'm trying to figure out what was going on in the murderer's head. Most people just don't decide to bash someone to death with a brick just because they walked out into the street.
/world is goin nuts.

I don't know about the world, but this guy was sectioned under the Mental Health Act. It's tragic what happened to the victim, there's no doubt about that, but if he was delusional or hallucinating he really wasn't responsible for his actions. I work with the mentally ill, and when someone's having a psychotic episode there's no way to "rationally think it away." We don't know what his mental illness was, but if he were hallucinating that the guy was actually a pus-dripping monster lumbering down the street to kill him and eat his brains, could you really blame him for reacting that way? To someone experiencing a hallucination or delusion, that is reality, there's no explaining "No, no, that fire breathing two headed zombie is actually some normal guy going out to get milk." Again, we don't know what mental illness he actually has, and just because he is mentally ill doesn't automatically mean he didn't know what he was doing or couldn't control his actions, but if, as they seemed to subtly imply, he really was having some sort of psychotic episode, I feel bad for both of the victim and the guy. The victim lost his life, yes, and that is absolutely terrible - but once the episode is over and this guy becomes coherent, he's going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. They're both victims of circumstance here, it would seem.




Sorry but even if you are mentally ill you lose the victim status after you kill a person with a brick. You move on to being the psycho nut-job who killed a guy with a brick. I recommend not attacking anything with a brick whether or not it looks like a dragon. Do not attack things is a pretty simple rule to follow. You get my sympathy when you are passively ill, if you want to be aggressive then you can get locked away with no sympathy.
 
2011-07-10 03:57:56 AM

colithian: The Repeated Meme: I dunno. His name sounds a little terroristy to me.

Maybe this has prevented a terrorist attack down the line.

Umess Chaudhari sounds Indian, not Arabic. So unless he was a Kashmiri revolutionary, then I'm gonna say you're a xenophobe.

/yes, yes, feeding the troll, i know


You seem to be implying that terrorist = Arabic, and you're calling *him* a xenophobe?
 
2011-07-10 04:19:15 AM

batcookie: Kurmudgeon: I'm trying to figure out what was going on in the murderer's head. Most people just don't decide to bash someone to death with a brick just because they walked out into the street.
/world is goin nuts.

I don't know about the world, but this guy was sectioned under the Mental Health Act. It's tragic what happened to the victim, there's no doubt about that, but if he was delusional or hallucinating he really wasn't responsible for his actions. I work with the mentally ill, and when someone's having a psychotic episode there's no way to "rationally think it away." We don't know what his mental illness was, but if he were hallucinating that the guy was actually a pus-dripping monster lumbering down the street to kill him and eat his brains, could you really blame him for reacting that way? To someone experiencing a hallucination or delusion, that is reality, there's no explaining "No, no, that fire breathing two headed zombie is actually some normal guy going out to get milk." Again, we don't know what mental illness he actually has, and just because he is mentally ill doesn't automatically mean he didn't know what he was doing or couldn't control his actions, but if, as they seemed to subtly imply, he really was having some sort of psychotic episode, I feel bad for both of the victim and the guy. The victim lost his life, yes, and that is absolutely terrible - but once the episode is over and this guy becomes coherent, he's going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. They're both victims of circumstance here, it would seem.


with an important point attatched to it. because of victim a's situation (and actions), victim b is very much dead.

so, perhaps victim a should be in a location where more victim b types are not created as a result of the condition of victim a.

from the description given of victim a's situation, victim a will not know the differnce. as far as victim a is concerned, he's holding the 589's senate hearing over the issue of if trafamagorians should be held accountable for the great pickle's well being, or if that is more the duty of the residents of the beaver mustard sector.
 
2011-07-10 04:20:05 AM
This story has made me consider the self defense potential of a carton of milk. Apparently it's not effective against bricks, which is good to know.
 
2011-07-10 04:23:27 AM

Nidiot: batcookie: Kurmudgeon: I'm trying to figure out what was going on in the murderer's head. Most people just don't decide to bash someone to death with a brick just because they walked out into the street.
/world is goin nuts.

I don't know about the world, but this guy was sectioned under the Mental Health Act. It's tragic what happened to the victim, there's no doubt about that, but if he was delusional or hallucinating he really wasn't responsible for his actions. I work with the mentally ill, and when someone's having a psychotic episode there's no way to "rationally think it away." We don't know what his mental illness was, but if he were hallucinating that the guy was actually a pus-dripping monster lumbering down the street to kill him and eat his brains, could you really blame him for reacting that way? To someone experiencing a hallucination or delusion, that is reality, there's no explaining "No, no, that fire breathing two headed zombie is actually some normal guy going out to get milk." Again, we don't know what mental illness he actually has, and just because he is mentally ill doesn't automatically mean he didn't know what he was doing or couldn't control his actions, but if, as they seemed to subtly imply, he really was having some sort of psychotic episode, I feel bad for both of the victim and the guy. The victim lost his life, yes, and that is absolutely terrible - but once the episode is over and this guy becomes coherent, he's going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. They're both victims of circumstance here, it would seem.



Sorry but even if you are mentally ill you lose the victim status after you kill a person with a brick. You move on to being the psycho nut-job who killed a guy with a brick. I recommend not attacking anything with a brick whether or not it looks like a dragon. Do not attack things is a pretty simple rule to follow. You get my sympathy when you are passively ill, if you want to be aggressive then you can get locked away with no sympathy.


Well, I will disagree with your statement that "Do not attack things is a pretty simple rule to follow." As I said, when a person is in the middle of a psychotic break, they're not thinking like you or I would think. As stated above, when people are in that mindset that IS their reality, and to tell them they have no right to defend themselves against a perceived threat is a TERRIBLE idea, especially considering that while only about 3-5% of violent crimes are committed by the mentally ill, statistically they are much more likely to be the victims of violent crime. That laser-eyed shark beast they're seeing could be an innocent person... or it could be an actual violent criminal. So I wouldn't generalize like that. However what with there still being a stigma attached to mental illness in general, I understand that many people feel this way, but our opinions are based on our experiences (or lack thereof). As I said, I work with the mentally ill and I see the toll it takes on people. On good days I get to see them as people like you and I with goals and dreams and fears like any of us have... and on bad days I get to see the hell they live with on a daily basis. Can you imagine the horror of not being able to trust your own mind? I'm not trying to detract from the tragedy of the man's death, and I don't even know for sure if the man in question was actually suffering a psychotic break. I mean for all the article said he could have just happened to have a mental illness but knew exactly what he was doing when he hit the guy. We don't have enough info to know. But I'm just saying that hallucinations/delusions are EXTREMELY important considerations to take into account.
 
2011-07-10 04:27:52 AM

zjoik: batcookie: Kurmudgeon: I'm trying to figure out what was going on in the murderer's head. Most people just don't decide to bash someone to death with a brick just because they walked out into the street.
/world is goin nuts.

I don't know about the world, but this guy was sectioned under the Mental Health Act. It's tragic what happened to the victim, there's no doubt about that, but if he was delusional or hallucinating he really wasn't responsible for his actions. I work with the mentally ill, and when someone's having a psychotic episode there's no way to "rationally think it away." We don't know what his mental illness was, but if he were hallucinating that the guy was actually a pus-dripping monster lumbering down the street to kill him and eat his brains, could you really blame him for reacting that way? To someone experiencing a hallucination or delusion, that is reality, there's no explaining "No, no, that fire breathing two headed zombie is actually some normal guy going out to get milk." Again, we don't know what mental illness he actually has, and just because he is mentally ill doesn't automatically mean he didn't know what he was doing or couldn't control his actions, but if, as they seemed to subtly imply, he really was having some sort of psychotic episode, I feel bad for both of the victim and the guy. The victim lost his life, yes, and that is absolutely terrible - but once the episode is over and this guy becomes coherent, he's going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. They're both victims of circumstance here, it would seem.

with an important point attatched to it. because of victim a's situation (and actions), victim b is very much dead.

so, perhaps victim a should be in a location where more victim b types are not created as a result of the condition of victim a.

from the description given of victim a's situation, victim a will not know the differnce. as far as victim a is concerned, he's holding the 589's senate hearing over the issue of if trafamagorians should be held accountable for the great pickle's well being, or if that is more the duty of the residents of the beaver mustard sector.


First of all, excellent use of word salad. Well played. I didn't say he should get off scot-free, though, I think he needs to be in a psychiatric facility until his mental illness is DEFINITELY under control. If he uses whatever Britain's equivalent of an "insanity plea," he will be going to one, that's for sure. But before anyone, and I know someone will, calls that "getting off" or "getting away with it," keep in mind that prison sentences are set and there's often the chance of parole. A stay in an institution can be indefinite.
 
2011-07-10 04:36:12 AM
I love how one of the dickheads in the comments section immediately assumes drugs were involved. Because ALL mental health issues and violent crimes are caused by drug abuse. Still, being the Daily Fail I guess if they weren't blaming drugs it'd be immigrants. farking horrible shiatrag bought and read by morons.


Oh yeah, R.I.P and all that.
 
2011-07-10 04:59:02 AM
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELK
 
2011-07-10 05:03:30 AM

Nidiot: Sorry but even if you are mentally ill you lose the victim status after you kill a person with a brick. You move on to being the psycho nut-job who killed a guy with a brick. I recommend not attacking anything with a brick whether or not it looks like a dragon. Do not attack things is a pretty simple rule to follow. You get my sympathy when you are passively ill, if you want to be aggressive then you can get locked away with no sympathy.


Having dealt with some crazy people, not all crazy people are evil and not all evil people are crazy, but it's evil people that do stuff like this. There is a nut in Marin. He went off his meds. Dressed up as Robin hood and smashed a bunch of store windows. One will note he didn't act out his madness by purchasing a bow and arrow, and trying to rob a bank.
 
2011-07-10 05:04:40 AM

edgar1981: I love how one of the dickheads in the comments section immediately assumes drugs were involved. Because ALL mental health issues and violent crimes are caused by drug abuse. Still, being the Daily Fail I guess if they weren't blaming drugs it'd be immigrants. farking horrible shiatrag bought and read by morons.


Oh yeah, R.I.P and all that.


WHY did I go read the comments? BRAIN-MELTINGLY stupid. You should have added to your comment, "before you go read them for yourself you may want to consider shoving an icepick through your eye as a less painful way to simulate the experience."
 
2011-07-10 05:06:14 AM

batcookie: Well, I will disagree with your statement that "Do not attack things is a pretty simple rule to follow." As I said, when a person is in the middle of a psychotic break, they're not thinking like you or I would think. As stated above, when people are in that mindset that IS their reality, and to tell them they have no right to defend themselves against a perceived threat is a TERRIBLE idea, especially considering that while only about 3-5% of violent crimes are committed by the mentally ill, statistically they are much more likely to be the victims of violent crime. That laser-eyed shark beast they're seeing could be an innocent person... or it could be an actual violent criminal. So I wouldn't generalize like that. However what with there still being a stigma attached to mental illness in general, I understand that many people feel this way, but our opinions are based on our experiences (or lack thereof). As I said, I work with the mentally ill and I see the toll it takes on people. On good days I get to see them as people like you and I with goals and dreams and fears like any of us have... and on bad days I get to see the hell they live with on a daily basis. Can you imagine the horror of not being able to trust your own mind? I'm not trying to detract from the tragedy of the man's death, and I don't even know for sure if the man in question was actually suffering a psychotic break. I mean for all the article said he could have just happened to have a mental illness but knew exactly what he was doing when he hit the guy. We don't have enough info to know. But I'm just saying that hallucinations/delusions are EXTREMELY important considerations to take into account.



Still no sympathy from me. I'll save my sympathy for the true victims, and I do include the mentally ill in that group of people I feel sorry for since it is obviously no fun. Can you imagine the horror of not being able to trust your own mind you ask, well how about you imagine the horror and pain of being beaten repeatedly with a brick until you die. Can you imagine that? It is true we don't have a lot of information, but a pre-emptive attack does not qualify as self-defence. I simply do not condone violence by anyone. In my opinion delusions and hallucinations do not count as excuses for violence. A violent thug is a violent thug no matter what he sees in his deluded or non-deluded mind. If you need to be violent you can do it alone in a cell.
 
2011-07-10 05:06:23 AM
All in all he was just another brick in the wall.
 
2011-07-10 05:17:00 AM

LordJiro: colithian: The Repeated Meme: I dunno. His name sounds a little terroristy to me.

Maybe this has prevented a terrorist attack down the line.

Umess Chaudhari sounds Indian, not Arabic. So unless he was a Kashmiri revolutionary, then I'm gonna say you're a xenophobe.

/yes, yes, feeding the troll, i know

You seem to be implying that terrorist = Arabic, and you're calling *him* a xenophobe?


you all got trolled. he knows perfectly well what he said, and it was a joke to begin with. silly sods.
 
2011-07-10 05:19:34 AM

Nidiot: batcookie: Well, I will disagree with your statement that "Do not attack things is a pretty simple rule to follow." As I said, when a person is in the middle of a psychotic break, they're not thinking like you or I would think. As stated above, when people are in that mindset that IS their reality, and to tell them they have no right to defend themselves against a perceived threat is a TERRIBLE idea, especially considering that while only about 3-5% of violent crimes are committed by the mentally ill, statistically they are much more likely to be the victims of violent crime. That laser-eyed shark beast they're seeing could be an innocent person... or it could be an actual violent criminal. So I wouldn't generalize like that. However what with there still being a stigma attached to mental illness in general, I understand that many people feel this way, but our opinions are based on our experiences (or lack thereof). As I said, I work with the mentally ill and I see the toll it takes on people. On good days I get to see them as people like you and I with goals and dreams and fears like any of us have... and on bad days I get to see the hell they live with on a daily basis. Can you imagine the horror of not being able to trust your own mind? I'm not trying to detract from the tragedy of the man's death, and I don't even know for sure if the man in question was actually suffering a psychotic break. I mean for all the article said he could have just happened to have a mental illness but knew exactly what he was doing when he hit the guy. We don't have enough info to know. But I'm just saying that hallucinations/delusions are EXTREMELY important considerations to take into account.


Still no sympathy from me. I'll save my sympathy for the true victims, and I do include the mentally ill in that group of people I feel sorry for since it is obviously no fun. Can you imagine the horror of not being able to trust your own mind you ask, well how about you imagine the horror and pain of being beaten repeatedly with a brick until you die. Can you imagine that? It is true we don't have a lot of information, but a pre-emptive attack does not qualify as self-defence. I simply do not condone violence by anyone. In my opinion delusions and hallucinations do not count as excuses for violence. A violent thug is a violent thug no matter what he sees in his deluded or non-deluded mind. If you need to be violent you can do it alone in a cell.


I want to make it clear, I'm not saying he was the only victim. Yeah, I'd say being dead is being worse than mentally ill. What I AM saying is that someone who cannot appreciate the consequences of their actions at a given time should not be held to the same standard as someone who makes a conscious choice to smash someone over the head with a brick without regard for the consequences. He needs help, not just for his own sake but to make sure there are no further tragedies like this one. Also, you need to remember that many mental illnesses involve a lack of ability to control impulses, and don't you dare try to tell me that we don't ALL have violent impulses from time to time. It's in our humanimal nature (not a typo, just my new favorite made-up word). The difference is you and I can control it and calm down and say "I'm angry, but I'm going to choose NOT to stab you in the brain." Their brains don't always work that way, unfortunately, and if a mentally ill person does have uncontrollable violent impulses, you're darned right they should be put away - in a psychiatric facility where they can receive TREATMENT and hopefully one day learn to overcome their mental illness and be a member of society.
 
2011-07-10 05:37:57 AM
Thats why I beat the rush now, and got my milk at 5:30.
 
2011-07-10 06:08:41 AM
When a brick hits your head,
And you soon wind up dead,
That's adobe.
 
2011-07-10 06:12:25 AM

skinink: All in all he was just another brick in the wall.


All in all you were all just bricks in the wall


/If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding
 
2011-07-10 06:46:52 AM

zjoik: so, perhaps victim a should be in a location where more victim b types are not created as a result of the condition of victim a.


That's what being 'sectioned' means - detained under one of the sections of the mental health act.
In the UK, pleading insanity is a bad idea - there's no upper limit on how long you can be detained for.
 
2011-07-10 07:21:13 AM
Was he getting milk in the one part of the UK that's not under video surveillance?
 
2011-07-10 07:23:36 AM
Maybe it was milk plus.

/ultra-violence
 
2011-07-10 07:30:10 AM
Was the brick swingers name Ed?
 
2011-07-10 07:59:56 AM

Brainsick: skinink: All in all he was just another brick in the wall.

All in all you were all just bricks in the wall


/If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding


How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

/PUDDING!
 
2011-07-10 08:22:40 AM
"Who's 'im, Bill?"
"A stranger!"
"'Eave 'arf a brick at 'im!"

/probably pretty obscure
 
2011-07-10 08:24:51 AM
And then he did a happy-dance?

www.esquire.com
 
2011-07-10 08:36:11 AM

alltandubh: "Who's 'im, Bill?"
"A stranger!"
"'Eave 'arf a brick at 'im!"

/probably pretty obscure

Punch

is not obscure. Parts of it are very good.
 
2011-07-10 08:46:33 AM
Wanted for questioning:

28.media.tumblr.com
 
2011-07-10 09:01:40 AM

Tillmaster: Punch is not obscure. Parts of it are very good.


I used to read Punch in the 1980s, before it closed down. It was a curate's egg then as well.
 
2011-07-10 10:02:21 AM
Got Milk? I know to easy. Very Sad RIP.
 
2011-07-10 10:20:49 AM

edgar1981: I love how one of the dickheads in the comments section immediately assumes drugs were involved. Because ALL mental health issues and violent crimes are caused by drug abuse. Still, being the Daily Fail I guess if they weren't blaming drugs it'd be immigrants. farking horrible shiatrag bought and read by morons.


Oh yeah, R.I.P and all that.


One of the commenters knows who's really to blame

Are you reading this Blair?This is how you have left Britain-you and Brown.

- Colin Brown, Somewhere,out there., 09/7/2011 08:34
 
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