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2011-07-09 06:01:22 PM
i'm not sure about this one. on one hand, the prison system is pretty horrific. what we do to people there is moderately barbaric. but on the other hand, some of the people there are in prison for some very good reasons.

I guess that if we're a country that believes in freedom then we should stop throwing people into jail for non-violent crimes. maybe if we focused on drug treatment and rehab we could reduce prison populations to something approaching reasonable then we can just lock up the real hardcases.
 
2011-07-09 06:29:02 PM
You know, by forfeiting food, they're also forfeiting their ability to make pruno, and that's Serious Business.
 
2011-07-09 06:56:21 PM

Weaver95: i'm not sure about this one. on one hand, the prison system is pretty horrific. what we do to people there is moderately barbaric. but on the other hand, some of the people there are in prison for some very good reasons.

I guess that if we're a country that believes in freedom then we should stop throwing people into jail for non-violent crimes. maybe if we focused on drug treatment and rehab we could reduce prison populations to something approaching reasonable then we can just lock up the real hardcases.


Pelican Bay is California's worst-of-the-worst lockup. You have to have pretty much farked up beyond any and all redemption to get sent there. So all I can say is:

Well, bye...
 
2011-07-09 07:09:27 PM
The court ordered the system to shed one-fourth of its prisoner population over the next two years.

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2011-07-09 07:14:52 PM
fark em
 
2011-07-09 07:16:03 PM
Have some taco trucks or a McDonald's delivery van circle the prison. They'll start eating once they get downwind.

/a McDonald's delivery van...think about it...it comes to your door...with fresh fries, burgers and shakes made on the van...omg...like an ice cream truck...
 
2011-07-09 07:16:09 PM
A group of inmates in a high-security California prison have started a hunger strike to protest their near-solitary confinement. Since the protest began on July 1, it has spread to thousands of inmates throughout the state prison system.

I think a more effective protest would be not committing offenses that would land you in that prison. But, you know, start small I guess and see what happens.
 
2011-07-09 07:16:28 PM
Hmm, hunger strike cause they don't like prison conditions.

Ok then, I'm going back to the short shorts thread where I can muster up some real concern.

Did you SEE the picture of the eyebrow guy over there?!?
 
2011-07-09 07:16:31 PM
Cannibalism?

/drtfa
 
2011-07-09 07:17:25 PM
If I were in prison, I'd definitely want to be isolated from the other inmates. Too many poor people in there. Too much white trash.
 
2011-07-09 07:17:42 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Have some taco trucks or a McDonald's delivery van circle the prison. They'll start eating once they get downwind.

/a McDonald's delivery van...think about it...it comes to your door...with fresh fries, burgers and shakes made on the van...omg...like an ice cream truck...


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2011-07-09 07:18:43 PM

Weaver95: i'm not sure about this one. on one hand, the prison system is pretty horrific. what we do to people there is moderately barbaric. but on the other hand, some of the people there are in prison for some very good reasons.

I guess that if we're a country that believes in freedom then we should stop throwing people into jail for non-violent crimes. maybe if we focused on drug treatment and rehab we could reduce prison populations to something approaching reasonable then we can just lock up the real hardcases.


True as that may be, majority of the prison population will be released. Want your new neighbor to have spent the last 15 years in isolation/treated like an animal.. or treated with respect?
 
2011-07-09 07:19:30 PM
I'm not feeling a whole lot of sympathy. They're isolating the people responsible for organizing prison gangs. Good. Let them starve.
 
2011-07-09 07:20:30 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pelican Bay is California's worst-of-the-worst lockup. You have to have pretty much farked up beyond any and all redemption to get sent there.


That was the premise when it was built. However, it's actually pretty easy to get put in Pelican Bay. Getting OUT is another story.
 
2011-07-09 07:26:10 PM
There are a lot of people - non-violent offenders, and old, sick inmates - that we could afford to release.
There aren't too many like that at Pelican Bay.
 
2011-07-09 07:30:42 PM

OgreMagi: They're isolating the people responsible for organizing prison gangs.


Actually, those aren't the only people that get segregated.
 
2011-07-09 07:33:25 PM
FTFA: The prisoners say they want debriefing to end, and they also want an end to long-term solitary confinement.

So they want the guards to stop questioning inmates on gang activity within the prison? Yeah good luck with that....

As for the solitary confinement issue...well, the people being kept there aren't in for possession of marijuana. They are the hardcore criminals: rapists, murderers, etc and career gang-bangers who get others to do the raping, murdering,and etc for them. Some people are just beyond help and need to be locked up away from everyone else so the less serious offenders can be rehabilitated.
 
2011-07-09 07:34:24 PM

rappy:
True as that may be, majority of the prison population will be released. Want your new neighbor to have spent the last 15 years in isolation/treated like an animal.. or treated with respect?


I want my neighbor to not have committed a crime that got him sent to that particular prison.

But that's why I don't live in a poor neighborhood.
 
2011-07-09 07:36:32 PM

Mattyb710: They are the hardcore criminals: rapists, murderers, etc and career gang-bangers who get others to do the raping, murdering,and etc for them. S


And yet people are released directly from segregation out on parole quite regularly. A lot of the people you listed aren't getting released ever.
 
2011-07-09 07:36:48 PM
This is Bob Barker reminding you to help control the prison population, have your inmate spade or neutered.
 
2011-07-09 07:41:08 PM

SN1987a goes boom: This is Bob Barker reminding you to help control the prison population, have your inmate spade or neutered.


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LEAVE DAVID ALONE
 
2011-07-09 07:41:19 PM

GORDON: rappy:
True as that may be, majority of the prison population will be released. Want your new neighbor to have spent the last 15 years in isolation/treated like an animal.. or treated with respect?

I want my neighbor to not have committed a crime that got him sent to that particular prison.

But that's why I don't live in a poor neighborhood.


Yeah, I suppose you can rest on the hope that a pissed off ex-con doesn't want to travel far from home.
 
2011-07-09 07:42:20 PM

GORDON: rappy:
True as that may be, majority of the prison population will be released. Want your new neighbor to have spent the last 15 years in isolation/treated like an animal.. or treated with respect?

I want my neighbor to not have committed a crime that got him sent to that particular prison.

But that's why I don't live in a poor neighborhood.


You can want in one hand...
 
2011-07-09 07:49:04 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...


titwrench: fark em


OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.


None of these statements reflects a civilized society.
 
2011-07-09 07:50:29 PM

mat catastrophe: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...

titwrench: fark em

OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.

None of these statements reflects a civilized society.


We aren't talking about civilized people, so who cares.
 
2011-07-09 07:52:26 PM

mat catastrophe: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...

titwrench: fark em

OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.

None of these statements reflects a civilized society.


I don't know of many people who have accused the US of having a "civilized society." Civilized societies don't have the death penalty, for one.
 
2011-07-09 07:56:01 PM

WhyteRaven74: Mattyb710: They are the hardcore criminals: rapists, murderers, etc and career gang-bangers who get others to do the raping, murdering,and etc for them. S

And yet people are released directly from segregation out on parole quite regularly. A lot of the people you listed aren't getting released ever.


I'm not sure of your argument, you seem to contradict yourself.

If people are being released from segregation to parole it's because they gave accurate information on other inmates or criminals on the outside. Maybe they were placed in segregation for their own protection in the first place. I think that goes a long way towards showing they are trying to distance themselves from that criminal lifestyle and are maybe deserving of parole. Obviously this won't apply to every single person, each situation is different, and I'm sure some scumbags slip through the cracks.

I highly doubt the people who are giving up information are not participating in this silly protest anyway. This was probably organized by the gangs to try and make things easier for them to continue doing what they do.
 
2011-07-09 07:57:47 PM

BolloxReader: mat catastrophe: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...

titwrench: fark em

OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.

None of these statements reflects a civilized society.

I don't know of many people who have accused the US of having a "civilized society." Civilized societies don't have the death penalty, for one.


I wish I lived in the fairy tale world you guys live in. Where we can all be "civilized" and hold hands and sing songs together. The truth is there are farked up people out there who are simply broken.
 
2011-07-09 08:00:14 PM

mat catastrophe: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...

titwrench: fark em

OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.

None of these statements reflects a civilized society.


Still more civilized than people who trample on the rights of others or needlessly put others in serious danger for personal gain, like burglars, arsonists, drunk drivers, and child abusers.
 
2011-07-09 08:01:28 PM

SN1987a goes boom: This is Bob Barker reminding you to help control the prison population, have your inmate spade or neutered.


SPAYED. And while we are at it, a border is an imaginary line between political entities. A boarder is paying extra rent to also get meals.
 
2011-07-09 08:04:41 PM

JohnWayne'sMangirdle: GORDON: rappy:
True as that may be, majority of the prison population will be released. Want your new neighbor to have spent the last 15 years in isolation/treated like an animal.. or treated with respect?

I want my neighbor to not have committed a crime that got him sent to that particular prison.

But that's why I don't live in a poor neighborhood.

Yeah, I suppose you can rest on the hope that a pissed off ex-con doesn't want to travel far from home.


This is why we have gated communities.
 
2011-07-09 08:04:43 PM

Kome: mat catastrophe: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...

titwrench: fark em

OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.

None of these statements reflects a civilized society.

Still more civilized than people who trample on the rights of others or needlessly put others in serious danger for personal gain, like burglars, arsonists, drunk drivers, and child abusers.


You left out "people who talk in theaters".
 
2011-07-09 08:10:39 PM

GORDON: JohnWayne'sMangirdle: GORDON: rappy:
True as that may be, majority of the prison population will be released. Want your new neighbor to have spent the last 15 years in isolation/treated like an animal.. or treated with respect?

I want my neighbor to not have committed a crime that got him sent to that particular prison.

But that's why I don't live in a poor neighborhood.

Yeah, I suppose you can rest on the hope that a pissed off ex-con doesn't want to travel far from home.

This is why we have gated communities.


Crime doesn't discriminate according to neighborhoods. I live in an upper-middle class neighborhood and we found out one neighbor was selling sex slaves from Korea while another was chased for 11 years by the FBI for drug trafficking.

Rich neighborhoods are where successful criminals retire to. Or hide in if they're still in business.
 
2011-07-09 08:11:35 PM

GORDON: I have boogers where my brain should be


Pfft. You WISH.
 
2011-07-09 08:14:13 PM
I can't seem to muster up any concern for these poor murders/rapists/gangbangers/etc.. Actually, I don't care who you are, hunger strikes have always been a dumb idea to me. I just don't have any sympathy for anyone who goes on hunger strike.
 
2011-07-09 08:32:45 PM
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The fear that I would become the wife of a guy like this if I went to prison keeps me on the straight and narrow.

/Also as his wife I wouldnt be able able to go on a hunger strke as he would probably keep me pretty full
 
2011-07-09 08:40:09 PM

Kome: Still more civilized than people who trample on the rights of others or needlessly put others in serious danger for personal gain, like burglars, arsonists, drunk drivers, and child abusers.


You're part of the problem. You're seriously going to lump someone who has 3 beers and then drives home into the same category as a child abuser?
 
2011-07-09 08:58:10 PM

Billygoat Gruff: [i58.photobucket.com image 180x225]
The fear that I would become the wife of a guy like this if I went to prison keeps me on the straight and narrow.

/Also as his wife I wouldnt be able able to go on a hunger strke as he would probably keep me pretty full


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2011-07-09 09:43:12 PM
Not going back to the buffet for seconds doesn't count guys.
 
2011-07-09 09:45:06 PM
Doesn't the issue work itself out over the course of a month?

I'm all for prison reform and re-evaluting our priorities as a country, but this seems pretty obvious.
 
2011-07-09 10:20:01 PM

mat catastrophe: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...

titwrench: fark em

OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.

None of these statements reflects a civilized society.


They lost their ability to be civil when they did the crime. Heck, they're no longer able to vote either.
Why should they get better treatment than the nations poor or homeless?
 
2011-07-09 10:32:41 PM
A handful of inmates who live in Pelican Bay State Prison's windowless, sound-proof 6-foot-by-10-foot isolation cells say they are ready to remain on the hunger strike until they die..

works for me.
 
2011-07-09 10:37:01 PM
Hunger strikes are self correcting. Ignore them and they either quit or die.

/worked for Bobby Sands
 
2011-07-09 10:51:07 PM
they need to make prison cells at least 1800 sq ft
 
2011-07-09 11:10:03 PM
People are weird. What's so bad about solitary?
 
2011-07-09 11:13:11 PM

mat catastrophe: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So all I can say is:
Well, bye...

titwrench: fark em

OgreMagi: Good. Let them starve.

None of these statements reflects a civilized society.


They are on a hunger strike by their own choice.

If the inmate wants to commit suicide. I have no problem with that. One less piece of human garbage to burden taxpayers.

They (prison gang members) are just trying to stop a tool that roots out prison gang members that threaten other inmates and other people outside the prison.

I say let them die in vein!
 
2011-07-09 11:52:56 PM
They will be drugged and force fed a glooop to keep them alive.
 
2011-07-09 11:59:43 PM

Show_The_O_Face: They will be drugged and force fed a glooop to keep them alive.


Yup. Pelican Bay has seen this before, and they'll see it again.
 
2011-07-10 12:07:15 AM
Once they're sequestered in the high-security cells, the gang members are asked to turn over information on other gang members, in a procedure called "debriefing." The prisoners say they want debriefing to end, and they also want an end to long-term solitary confinement.
"They think the debrief process is illegal--that we pressure them to get out of gangs--but I'd say we encourage them to do so," state prisons spokeswoman Terry Thornton told The San Francisco Chronicle.


Debriefing, appears to be an attempt to break gang control of prisons in the version above.

If some have seen of the Nat Geo specials are accurate, isolated hardcore high-level prisoners like the Black Guerrilla Family, the Mexican Mafia and the Aryan Brotherhood are enforcing racial codes on people who could really give a fark in prison for killing their wives and smuggling marijuana.

That means you are part of the fight that broke out if you want to be or not. Better not talk to that back guy or sit over there, and you are better off joining the race based gang if you believe it or not.

If this is about the debriefing process, the low level prisoner is jammed between the gang leaders and the prison management.
 
2011-07-10 01:26:11 AM
At its peak, 6,600 prisoners in 11 prisons were refusing food, but officials told the New York Times that number was down to 1,700 yesterday.

Give it a little more time. None of these guys has enough strength of character to starve to death for a belief, no matter how dearly held.
 
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