FloydA: MeinRS6: FloydA: MeinRS6: If we did something that the UN doesn't like, then that means we did the right thing.

Yeah, human rights are bad!

Right. Because this was all about human rights. Once again, you show how you are really on top of the issue.


In your opinion, the UN doesn't support human rights?
How about health? The WHO is pro-health.
UNICEF is pro-feeding and educating children.

Since you claim everything the UN does is wrong, and doing things they don't like is right, you must, logically, oppose human rights, health and feeding children.

Either that or you are just as stupid as I thought and were simply blurting out some words that passed through your poor excuse for a mind without ever really thinking about what they meant.

Which is it?

Didn't the UN just appoint North Korea for arms reduction leader or something?

UN sucks.

I always thought that people have to obey the laws of the country they are in. Like the kid that got flogged in Singapore, when in Rome. Therefore if you commit a murder in America you get a trial and pay your dues.

7wolf: Haha, the UN thinks Texas can read.

+1

jj325: and they don't let him contact the consulate

Except that he was not "denied access" as the libs would have you believe. He was not told that he could have access if he wanted, which ain't the same thing. He would have been given access if requested. AND he claimed to be a US citizen in the beginning which voids the argument that the Mexican Consule could have made a difference right after arrest if they had known he was under arrest.

Weaver95: The denial of access raises concerns about whether Leal got a fair trial, Pillay said.

on one hand, texas probably DID violate this guy's rights. But on the other hand, he exiled himself from the human race a long time ago.

I'd call it a wash.

I guess all cases where a criminal's rights are violated are a wash too. Why should we bother concerning ourselves with an accused person's rights? At least the ones everyone just knows are guilty.

/end tone of irony here

If I have a problem with a group, I send a letter to the group's leader. Not the drooling person hunched over eating its own shiat.

Marcus Aurelius: Perry is worse than most, granted. But Bush fried his share of mentally incompetent people as well.

Down there the rule of law really only applies to white people.

I encourage anyone with some free time to look up stories on the drug busts in Tulia TX . Truly frightening stuff.

Cyclometh: The US is in clear breach of its international obligations

Define.

"Viva Mexico. Let's get this show on the road" is a pretty badass way to go out, though.

Apparently, it has been revoked...?

FTFA
Leal, who was convicted for the 1994 rape and murder of a 16-year-old girl, was executed Thursday evening by lethal injection in Texas.

What took us so long?

So is Mexican National lib "code speak" for illegal alien?

Won't be funny when Texas based companies have their overseas assets frozen.

Dear United Nations,

In reference to your correspondence, FARK YOU!

Strong letter to follow.

Sincerely,

Texas

Can we impeach the 5 supreme court justices who knowingly voted to violate international law (and thus the U.S. Constitution)?

Cyclometh: fawlty: Cyclometh: The US is in clear breach of its international obligations

Define.

The Vienna Convention describes procedures for what must happen if a foreign national is taken into custody for a criminal act.

Define asshole, don't just offer a conclusion. WHAT FARKING DUTIES? WHAT ARE YOU RELYING UPON?

Why do libs always slam Texas for executing retards who commit murder?

Ridding the world of murderous retards is the right thing to do.

FloydA: You're arguing with this:

Don't waste your time with it.

Also, FTFA:

"I am sorry for everything I have done," Leal said at the Huntsville facility before he was executed. "I have hurt a lot of people. Let this be final and be done. I take the full blame for this."

But yeah, let's keep the outrage going long after the perp admits to what he's done, takes responsibility for his actions and mans up to the punishment. It's OBVIOUS that he deserved to be set free.

cig-mkr: I always thought that people have to obey the laws of the country they are in. Like the kid that got flogged in Singapore, when in Rome. Therefore if you commit a murder in America you get a trial and pay your dues.

The kid in singapore had his sentence reduced because of intervention by Bill Clinton who asked for clemency.

Looks like we won't be getting any reduced sentences from Mexico anytime soon.

For this Mexico should just say "fark it! I'm not being apart of your war on drugs."

If you are a murdering rapist, you still have a duty to tell us you are a foreigner. If you keep it a secret (sometimes for YEARS), don't get upset when we don't give you special treatment.

/"He's a foreigner. Don't punish him like we would an American citizen!"

I'd like to congratulate the UN for not blaming Israel this time. Good job!

Marcus Aurelius: At least the guy wasn't a retard. Because Texas LOVES executing retards.

Who doesn't?? I try to get me five or six before lunch. The ones with the helmets are harder though.

FloydA: MeinRS6: If we did something that the UN doesn't like, then that means we did the right thing.

Yeah, human rights are bad!

lets see here
he had a lawer
he had a fair trial
he had a state and federal court review of the case
Obama could have comuted this to life in prison if he wanted to but did not he will blame the big bad repiblican texan for following AMERICAN LAW
there is a dead 16 year old gilr we seem to have lost sight of, the REAL victim.

Thoguh: jj325: It's all fun and games breaking treaties until some rich and spoiled US kid gets busted for drugs in Mexico and they don't let him contact the consulate.\

This times 1,000,000. We seem to have forgot that "treat others how you expect to be treated" isn't just a sunday school lesson. That's why stuff like following treaties and not torturing is so important.

Rich and spoiled US kids in Mexico are more likely to get shot by a corrupt Mexican cop demanding a bribe, or moonlighting in a drug gang.

Heck, I dunno whys dey ever put him 'fore no judge to begin wif. I jus hang'em high on a tree branch right der whur dey caught him like dey do in those Clint Eastwud movies on der talkin' picture box.

Artos RC: Fark Texas in its quivering lone star.

Easy there, junior. Texas tourists pay for their state park in Colorado, and pay dearly. They occasionally run into people like you. Please let them run into you. Repeatedly, with a large truck, preferably.

MeinRS6: If we did something that the UN doesn't like, then that means we did the right thing.

Hard to argue with retard-reasoning.

Bossk'sSegway: cig-mkr: I always thought that people have to obey the laws of the country they are in. Like the kid that got flogged in Singapore, when in Rome. Therefore if you commit a murder in America you get a trial and pay your dues.

The kid in singapore had his sentence reduced because of intervention by Bill Clinton who asked for clemency.

Looks like we won't be getting any reduced sentences from Mexico anytime soon.

For this Mexico should just say "fark it! I'm not being apart of your war on drugs."

When have they been a part of it? They've been a part of the "take money from stupid gringos" club for decades, though.

Thoguh: Mexico might not, but that is irrelevant. That doesn't change the fact that we should. And the moment we don't we lose our ability to complain when Iran does things like hold hikers and journalists without access to counsel.

Hikers and journalists != rapist/murderers, but nice try.

Perry is just practicing his international "fark you" skills for his run at the presidency; his voter base likes executions even better when it involves giving the finger to the UN, too.

Cyclometh: bhcompy: States cannot participate in foreign policy, so the Vienna Convention doesn't even exist to them. The federal government is the sole arbiter of international matters in this country, if they do not have the power to intervene to enforce a treaty, that is a problem with the way the treaty was adopted in the US, not a problem with the state of Texas. Apparently, the Supreme Court agrees.

If states are going to be required to check citizenship to have them speak with their consul, they should also have the right to deny those people access to its borders through a citizenship check, since the argument against the latter would preclude the former.

/odd devils advocate troll that probably makes no sense

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.


The Constitution trumps state laws. The US became signatory to the Vienna Convention under the Constitution in 1969. The states may think they don't have obligations under it, and the SCOTUS may be on their side- but the USA does, which means the nation must abide by it and that means the Federal government should have created legislation to handle this.

Now he's dead, and the damage can never be undone. Texas decided to put the US in violation of its own Constitution, which should never have been allowed to happen.

Yet parts of the Constitution have always been selectively applied. Free speech was a federal right and did not extend to state jurisdictions until much later.

But it's ok for other countries when US citizens commit crimes I take it?

jj325: It's all fun and games breaking treaties until some rich and spoiled US kid gets busted for drugs in Mexico and they don't let him contact the consulate.

yeah, except that is NOT what happened here.

He was never denied access.
He just wasn't specifically told that he could have access. Big difference.

The stupid argument is that he could conceivable have gotten better representation.

Let's see. Here is the resume of one of his lawyers:
"I went to law school at Harvard University and graduated in 1991. After I graduated from Harvard I went to work for the Texas Resource Center which is a non-profi t organization that represents men on death row who are facing execution. I worked there until 1995 when I moved to Minnesota and became a public defender for five years. After that I went into private practice and went back to doing death penalty work. From 2000 until 2006 I was the director of the Mexican Capital Legal Assistance Program which was set up by the Mexican government to provide quality legal representation for Mexican nationals who were facing the death penalty in the United States. In 2006 I came to Northwestern University where I teach the Human Rights Clinic where we continue to do work centered on the application of the death penalty not only in the United States but also around the world.
Approximately how many death penalty cases have you worked on in your career?
In the United States I think I have worked on around fifty to a hundred cases, but I am not sure. When I worked in Texas, I worked on all sorts of death penalty cases, but since I left Texas, it has been primarily Mexican nationals."

Either that lawyer or another one, had presented in front of the Supreme Court 3 different times.
He had the ACLU and every other anti-death penalty group here making his case.

He was very well represented and defended. I would hope that the kid in Mexico who gets busted for pot gets treated at least half as well as this guy did with regard to support.

new rule

Every time we arrest a Mexican we call the embassy/consulate and have them check it out
Every single time for every Mexican.

Treaty complied with.

//There are not enough hours in the day just to answer the phones for this

GO bother China and Iran and other shiat holes before biatching about anything in the states please,...it's why we let you stay in NYC,...

UN,.....What I wanna know,...is why we let Russia and China on the security council....when they are selling arms to the whack jobs who
we have to goto the council over....

Why aren't they raising hell over Syria and Yemen?.....oh yeah,...no boogerman to throw out there...

/Yeah,we sell arms too,...don't go there.
//Spoils to the victors of WW2 continue....

Nobody is saying this dude should have been set free, or should not be executed.

The issue is that the US signed a treaty guaranteeing certain rights to non-citizens, specific to this case, that foreign nationals have access to services provided by the governments of their country of origin.

While this guy did rape and murder the girl, this is the treaty that protects Americans in other countries, when they are accused of crimes (falsely or not).

Also, for the Supreme Court to say that signed treaties were NOT binding until Congress says so is utterly retarded.

7wolf: Haha, the UN thinks Texas can read.

LOL