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(Government Technology)   Obama's policy, which essentially defers space operations to private industry, has diminished one of America's greatest exports - the belief that in America anything is possible   ( govtech.com) divider line
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2011-07-08 08:45:05 PM  
Xe..: Ummm, the Buran did fly once...and not only did it fly, but it also performed an unmanned trip to space and back (something the US wasn't able to do until 2010, twenty-two years later).

BZZZZZZT!! WRONG ANSWER.

NASA launched several unmanned Mercury capsules into space, both orbital and sub-orbital, some carrying monkeys. And launched an unmanned Gemini capsule, AND an unmanned Apollo. Recovered them all.

THANK YOU FOR PLAYING.

/SpaceEx did what previously had only been done by a few countries (US, Russia, China)
//AND did it for a FRACTION of what the US spends
 
2011-07-08 08:45:41 PM  

findthefish: ech expansion into new composites, etc.


A lot of that rides on government research. The Shuttle should've been replaced some years ago, but the funding never materialized.
 
2011-07-08 08:46:21 PM  
While I support the exploration of space, we'll have to develop different methods to actually do the exploring. Even with the fastest spacecraft we have now, it would still take about 18,000 years to reach the nearest star (~ 4 light years away). The amount of money that would need to be spent just to go to Mars (manned mission) is staggering at best. While I wholeheartedly support science, I think that finding cures to diseases and generally getting the country back in shape is a better target for all of that cash. The ISS is in place and being put to use. If it helps humanity as a whole, then we're all better off.

I find deep space extremely fascinating, but it's clearly out of our reach for the immediate future. If you remember back to the 70's, it was a few years before we had a replacement for the Apollo space program and Skylab. The first shuttle launched almost 9 years after Apollo 17 (last lunar mission). So, I'm confident that we'll stay in the race, but we need some time for R&D.
 
2011-07-08 08:46:50 PM  

mark12A: AND did it for a FRACTION of what the US spends


When your rocket is a fraction the size of anything anyone else sends up, it's easy to do. Also when someone else has developed a knowledge base for you, that helps things a lot too.
 
2011-07-08 08:46:51 PM  
mark12A: Xe..: Ummm, the Buran did fly once...and not only did it fly, but it also performed an unmanned trip to space and back (something the US wasn't able to do until 2010, twenty-two years later).

BZZZZZZT!! WRONG ANSWER.

NASA launched several unmanned Mercury capsules into space, both orbital and sub-orbital, some carrying monkeys. And launched an unmanned Gemini capsule, AND an unmanned Apollo. Recovered them all.

THANK YOU FOR PLAYING.

/SpaceEx did what previously had only been done by a few countries (US, Russia, China)
//AND did it for a FRACTION of what the US spends


So SpaceX has launched a manned space flight then?
 
2011-07-08 08:46:53 PM  
For those of your saying it hasn't been done - SpaceX has already put their Dragon capsule, which is man-rated, into LEO, and brought it back, in one piece. They've not sent any people up in it just yet, but they've proven they CAN, and sometime in the next year, they're going to.

as I said, LEO is perfectly ready for the private sector. But, rather than gutting NASA, we need to let it throw all its got into the shiat that is past LEO...in getting us into the universe.
 
2011-07-08 08:47:39 PM  

PirateKing: doglover: No matter what time you're born in, it's basically the same. We're always at a peak, above our forfathers, and we're always the best generation. Have been even when we weren't. The human condition is the same now as yesterday and tomorrow.

Heh. Thanks for the link. It did cheer me up a bit. I'm not looking to ditch the modern age, just occasionally wishing I could have been around for some of the amazing things that inspired me as a kid. Now that I'm all grown up, I know a little bit more about reality.

As I said, it's just the occasional yen for a rose-colored past I know didn't exist.

also:

If anyone sits here, let him read this first of all: if anyone wants a screw, he should look for Attice; she costs 4 sestertii.

Major LOL. even the graffiti reads like an epic.

Hearken, weary traveler: Lo, though I sit here down in spirit, the mighty gods know of my attempts to defecate, leading only to flatulence...




To the one defecating here. Beware of the curse. If you look down on this curse, may you have an angry Jupiter for an enemy.

 
2011-07-08 08:51:29 PM  
the belief that in America anything is possible, is not the same thing as the truth that in America anything is possible.... i see no reason to pay out the ass to perpetuate a propaganda belief.
 
2011-07-08 08:51:35 PM  
We decided to focus on education instead.

In California, everybody gets a free K-12 education, US citizen or not.

And not only that,

Once you graduate from a California high school, you get residency for tuition purposes to the California college system.

THAT is investing in our future. Far more than those funds going to a manned Mars Mission.

/We need the next generation brought up smarter than the current generation.
 
2011-07-08 08:53:25 PM  

daxxenos: j.."anything is possible, since we have a bottomless pit full of Federal money..." syndrome...


Oh yeah. Riight. NASA has been just ROOOOOOLLLLLLLLING in federal money for decades.
 
2011-07-08 08:54:26 PM  

studebaker hoch: THAT is investing in our future. Far more than those funds going to a manned Mars Mission.


You realize we'd need a lot of engineers to get to Mars right? You could convince a bunch of kids to become engineers and such if they thought they could work on a trip to Mars. Or even better, get to be on it.
 
2011-07-08 08:54:50 PM  

Blade2567: There is more truth in that headline than you idiots will admit...and my country dies a little more every farking day.


Because we have to make draconian Hobson's choices to pay for things placed on the National Debt Chinese Credit Card spent over the last 30 years and dropped tax revenue for the wealthy.

Oh it's Obama's fault he's inherited a POS economy.
 
2011-07-08 08:55:24 PM  
I'm ok with the shuttle being done. Its time is up. It did us great service, but it's been around since 1981 for fark's sake. 30 years. That's too old for a car, much less for a machine that takes human beings into space and back.

I'm also ok with us moving the LEO transport jobs to the private sector. The whole goal of the space shuttle, really, was to make space travel "routine." If space travel is now routine enough for a private company like SpaceX to take over hauling supplies and people to the ISS, then the shuttle accomplished its purpose.

What NASA needs to do now, is start looking outward, and getting more ambitious. And they will need the funding to do this. If it doesn't happen tomorrow, fine, I understand that the economy is shiat and we have priorities. But someday. Someday we as a nation and as a race need to start pushing the boundaries outward again, and I hope it's America that still leads the way.
 
2011-07-08 08:59:51 PM  

RobertBruce: I believe in Richard Branson and Virgin Galactic. these guys will get us off this planet. And likely far more efficiently than the government ever would have.

Please

turn your attention toward SpaceX, instead. The Branson/Burtan freak show is a sub-orbital wankfest that achieves something like 3% of the energy needed to get to orbit, whereas SpaceX has launched, reentered, and recovered a reusable capsule capable of carrying 7 astronauts.

Virgin Galactic will never orbit anyone in anything other than the trivial sense that you are in orbit when you jump in the air.
 
2011-07-08 09:00:12 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So let me get this straight - this week our outrage is that Obama is letting the free market take over non-essential government operations?

I give up on this country.



Oh boy, you don't know the half of it... I live in a NASA/Defense/aerospace town (Huntsville, AL), and you should see all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on my facebook wall on the part of all the bootstrappy small government free market conservatives and libertarians.

...no small number of whom have already or may well soon lose their jobs. Tell me how the fark that works... you tell me how you work for NASA and -HATE- the ever-lovin' shiat out of "big government." One guy I know was the farking PR guy for the Space and Rocket Center and he spent most of his days railing about "big government."

I've had arguments with these people for farking ages... telling them without "big government," the people here would be making farking socks, at least until the Chinese took over.

Now that it's been cut, "everything is ruined forever."

It's hard not to get a little schadenfreude about it. a la:

"yeah, sucks to be you , but maybe you sanctimonious dipshiats will think twice about what glib nasty little political movements you embrace and attach yourselves to, huh?"


More proof that all "small government" means is "every single bit of government that - I - personally want, and not one iota more!!!"
 
2011-07-08 09:01:20 PM  

SDRR: davidphogan: LegacyDL: Plate tectonics on this planet will cause the oceans to disappear and when that happens Earth will practically become like Mars where there will be no water as far as we can tell.

Really? I've never heard that before.

Probably beause he just made it up?


Playe tectonics on this planet is driven energy from the earth's core, when that fuel stops working billions of years from now what do you think is going to happen?

Hint: Take a look at the moon and you might have an idea as to what can possibly happen.
 
2011-07-08 09:01:46 PM  
I don't think NASA can sustain a manned program reliably as long as we're fighting two-point-five simultaneous wars. Not only do the wars rob the extra funds, they distract and take away mental attention of the public.

NASA is great, and can do much, even with very little AS LONG AS the funding is stable over a long term. We could do asteroid visits and a Mars program with more meaning than just a plant-the-flag-and-retreat. But these require timelines longer than the 2, 4, and 6-year terms of our leaders. So every time we hit a new election cycle, Congress and the new President take turns shaking the bejesus out of NASA's carefully and painstakingly-scribed etch-a-sketch work. And they have to start again. ISS was a perfect example of this. Shuttle's compromises as well. And Venture Star.


Finally, I've said in other similar threads that I'm less concerned now about Russian monopoly of manned taxi flights on Soyuz. Space X Dragon is on schedule to do and ISS rendezvous and fly-past of ISS as early as next year.
And other private firms are moving along as well, so Obama's bet is looking like it might work out. The thing about Soyuz is, it is very mature... and it has run out of room to develop any further. it's a technological dead-end. We are likely to leapfrog the Russian Souyz and ChiCom knockoffs of it when we field the stuff being leveraged out of the remnants of Constellation and Ares, and the small-firm developers. And it looks like we can do it in just two years. From there on we'll extend our lead once more, leapfrogging Soyuz's monopoly. ESA is also starting serious work to do the same.


The Webb scope needs to be finished and launched, in the meanwhile. It is really stupid for Congress to lose their nerve over something so important to science. We also have an earth-obs sat sitting in storage, ready to go, with no ride, all because VP Cheney got his beak out of joint over ANY support for research into Global Warming, and he put the kibosh on it. We've lost a couple of Global Warming sats on recent launch failures this past year or so, Landsat is winding down at EOL, time to pull this other one out of mothballs and get some good science measurement done on the cheap. We've already paid for it, it is sitting in a sealed can of nitrogen, just waiting for a ride.
 
2011-07-08 09:07:08 PM  

OnlyM3: Don't pretend to care about spending and when you're lined up behind the biggest deficit spender in U.S. History.


What the fark are you talking about?

This is what I wrote about Obama just farking yesterday: let's not kid ourselves: Obama is a terrible president.

Yesterday. Farking yesterday.

And, today, I'm accused of lining up behind him? Really?

My post wasn't about whether Obama is doing the right thing or doing the wrong thing. My point was about the hypocrisy of those biatching that he's cutting spending here when they're demanding he cut spending on everything else; it was about the hypocrisy of thinking the government is always the problem when it's being used to help the people but it's the solution when it means huge wealth transfers to government contractors.

You're what's wrong with this country.
 
2011-07-08 09:08:39 PM  

WhyteRaven74: studebaker hoch: THAT is investing in our future. Far more than those funds going to a manned Mars Mission.

You realize we'd need a lot of engineers to get to Mars right? You could convince a bunch of kids to become engineers and such if they thought they could work on a trip to Mars. Or even better, get to be on it.


Hard to explain to this generation of kids why they should be engineers when you're simultaneously putting a bunch of this generation's engineers out of work.

Seriously, we train more science-y people than we employ, which makes it really hard to tell kids, "Yeah, you want to put yourself through grad school hell for years to be a scientist!" The only time people whine "we don't have enough scientists" is when they're asking for more HB1 visas, so they don't have to pay their science folks as much as US citizens tend to think they should be paid.
 
2011-07-08 09:11:00 PM  
I thought the private sector was capable of AAAANYTHING.

Now here's their chance. Let them spend their own money and try to make the endeavor profitable. Things here, on THIS planet are WAY more important at the moment than sending groups of uppity nerds to go finger themselves in orbit.
 
2011-07-08 09:13:59 PM  
jbuist:

I'd have a hard time imagining that guys with aero-space engineering experience cannot find a private sector job. For one, there are manned space programs in the private sector that could likely use them, and secondly I'm sure there are other industries which could use their talents. Automotive, for instance. I'd like to see what those guys could do for the EV MC world.

i289.photobucket.com
 
2011-07-08 09:15:46 PM  

Old enough to know better: Not sure I'm that excited about privatizing the space program. Im mean if a $400 million govt rocket blows up on the pad, NASA just goes back to the drawing board and fixes the problem. If a private rocket blows up, theres a good chance the stockholders and board of directors will vote to switch to building something more profitable, like producing internet capable toaster ovens.

Capitalism doesn't exactly have a great track record when it comes to long term goals.


Business is short sighted. Space is high risk, limited market work. Especially the farther reaching it gets. Lots of science is - like education - at least something where the government actually can see some ROI.
 
2011-07-08 09:18:42 PM  

IronTom: We were supposed to go off to Moon and Mars, and the program was underay. Obama stopped that and substituted outreach to Muslims to make them feel good about their contributions to science and technology.


The mission to Mars was a ploy by the previous administration to divert money from NASA Earth Sciences ( aka studying climate change from space ) while publicly maintaining that more climate research was needed. The research kept producing findings that were not helping the Bush/Cheney agenda, so they cooked up a diversion: issue a mandate that NASA to return to the Moon and then go on to Mars, but don't provide any additional funding. This meant NASA had to redirect Earth Science money to Space Science and scuttle Earth observing missions.
 
2011-07-08 09:26:10 PM  
WhyteRaven74

You realize we'd need a lot of engineers to get to Mars right? You could convince a bunch of kids to become engineers and such if they thought they could work on a trip to Mars. Or even better, get to be on it.

We're investing in those engineers right now, by providing free educations and college at discounted rates.

The payoff won't be seen for a generation or maybe more, but we're currently on track to have millions of highly educated Hispanics in America.

Some of these, perhaps many of them, will be our engineers, test pilots, and astronauts.
 
2011-07-08 09:29:02 PM  
Sad headline, subby, but unfortunately dead on the money.
 
2011-07-08 09:30:07 PM  

dickfreckle: I'd really like to hear from Farkers who were old enough in 1969 to really get the gravity (heh) of what America had just accomplished with the moon landing.


I was 12. We went over to the neighbors house, because they had a 25" color console TV (yes, 25" was big). I commandeered center stage right in front of the TV.

Sat there, rapt. "Holy crap! That guy is on the MOON!" Even went outside at one point to look at the actual moon, with a huge sense of wonder.

As far back as I can remember, I watched every launch. If there was some coverage on TV, I was watching it.
What do kids do now? XBOX.
 
2011-07-08 09:31:22 PM  
The James Webb Telescope is also on the chopping block

I think that America is fast learning that while space is exciting, the money is better spent on health care and education.

/it will pay off...just not right now....
 
2011-07-08 09:33:17 PM  
This may be a rebuilding century for America.
 
2011-07-08 09:36:45 PM  

natazha: "anything is possible"

Like private enterprise building TWO completely new rockets and a man-rated space capsule for less than the cost of a single Shuttle launch.

Way to go, Obama!


It might interest you to know that we are currently building a new aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, the cost of which is more than the cost of the ENTIRE shuttle fleet. It's absolutely inexcusable that we are retiring the shuttles without a ready replacement. Those private space capsules won't be ready for a few years yet. So basically we are stuck hitch-hiking with the Russians until then.
 
2011-07-08 09:39:21 PM  
I hate to say it but America needs to get its national debt under control and reign in deficit spending. I know its been said to death but it doesn't make it any less true. That being said NASA can do a lot on a relatively small budget and it is an important institution, not just scientifically but culturally as well. I think there are many other places to make cuts before NASA.

Hopefully we can fund space exploration to a higher degree again if we ever get our budget under control.
 
2011-07-08 09:41:32 PM  

furiousxgeorge: No space toys if you can't pay for retirement for your citizens.


Sorry Farker, but you've got it upside down and inside out.

The space program at present is 6/10 of 1% of all Federal spending, and if it were shut down entirely, we would not notice any savings in money. If you are an average taxpayer, your share is about the price of a good pair of shoes; if you make one long-distance phone call a month, you about get your money's worth on your space tax dollar.

However, the losses in progress would be harder to measure: The computer, the microchip, the satellite TV, the cellular phone and a thousand other modern innovations---first and foremost the Internet itself---owe their existence to space research.

So do hundreds of medical advances, which have extended human life expectancy from 65 years in 1960 to over 85 years today.

Now you see where you bite your own tail: If it were not for space research, all those old people would not be alive in the first place.
 
2011-07-08 09:42:28 PM  
On a more serious note......

I always considered NASA a legitimate federal expense/program because it ties directly to the DoD. Constitutionally supportable national defense and all that good libertarian stuff. The reason we retired the Blackbird spy plane was that the same job was done more cheaply and better by orbiting platforms. Heck, the reason we got all ballsy with space to begin with was because of Sputnik and Yuri Gregerin (sp?) cold war stuff. The pentagon has always got to be ready to kill the enemy when necessary and NASA has always been a significant part of that. I know we've got to cut out a lot of spending, and NASA's gotta take their share of the pain, but what they do is more vital than many people realize, IMHO. And don't even get me started on TANG.......
 
2011-07-08 09:44:06 PM  

Xenomech: Ummm, the Buran did fly once...and not only did it fly, but it also performed an unmanned trip to space and back (something the US wasn't able to do until 2010, twenty-two years later).


I think Enos might have something to say about unmanned launch, orbit, return. And Sam, Miss Sam, and Ham on the sub-orbital flights.
In 1961.

That was a deliberate design decision. The Shuttle has but one shot to lower the landing gear. There is no 'gear up' function. If it gets deployed to early, scratch one Shuttle and crew.
It would have been trivial to add that one function to the already all computer controlled flight.

Buran flew unmanned, because the cabin software and life support wasn't finished.
 
2011-07-08 09:47:40 PM  

olddinosaur: furiousxgeorge: No space toys if you can't pay for retirement for your citizens.

Sorry Farker, but you've got it upside down and inside out.

The space program at present is 6/10 of 1% of all Federal spending, and if it were shut down entirely, we would not notice any savings in money. If you are an average taxpayer, your share is about the price of a good pair of shoes; if you make one long-distance phone call a month, you about get your money's worth on your space tax dollar.

However, the losses in progress would be harder to measure: The computer, the microchip, the satellite TV, the cellular phone and a thousand other modern innovations---first and foremost the Internet itself---owe their existence to space research.

So do hundreds of medical advances, which have extended human life expectancy from 65 years in 1960 to over 85 years today.

Now you see where you bite your own tail: If it were not for space research, all those old people would not be alive in the first place.


I am aware you can't solve the crisis with NASA alone, but one dollar spent on space toys while we cut spending for vital services is too much.
 
2011-07-08 09:48:24 PM  
All the political headline bullshiat is annoying. No Obama wasn't the Messiah, neither will your Maverick/Mormon/Ancient Being be if the right gets a puppet in the Oval Office. While the rabid dem/pubtards are determined to undermine each other instead of work for the good of the country, the sensible populace in the country can only facepalm at the folly of a country fundamentally set against itself. Good job republicans, you proved Obama is an idiot/wasn't born in the U.S/isn't fiscally responsible, the country still isn't anywhere near it was a decade ago and all the bickering has been hindering more than helping.
 
2011-07-08 09:50:24 PM  
But I thought Republicans want everything to be privatized.
You want less spending yet you don't want to cut funds to NASA. MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS.
 
2011-07-08 09:53:27 PM  

lohphat: Blade2567: There is more truth in that headline than you idiots will admit...and my country dies a little more every farking day.

Because we have to make draconian Hobson's choices to pay for things placed on the National Debt Chinese Credit Card spent over the last 30 years and dropped tax revenue for the wealthy.

Oh it's Obama's fault he's inherited a POS economy.


Bullshiat arguement is bullshiat.
 
2011-07-08 09:53:30 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: dickfreckle: I'd really like to hear from Farkers who were old enough in 1969 to really get the gravity (heh) of what America had just accomplished with the moon landing.


I was 22 at the time, and awestruck. That was in the height of the Vietnam flap, and the idea my country could do something---anything---right in the midst of all that sh*t restored my hope for my nation.

Two years later I was in Europe, and even though they hated us for Vietnam, they admired out progress in space. I stayed at a hotel in Bavaria built by a dirt farmer who had sold off his land and become wealthy; he went out at 3 AM to break ground for the hotel just as Neil Armstrong's foot hit the ground.

Google Hotel Apollo Regensburg Germany to see where I used to live.
 
2011-07-08 09:57:36 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: No it wasnt, liberal.


I see it the same way, lemming.
 
2011-07-08 10:03:58 PM  
10 years in 1960's: Go from launching rudimentary satellites to walking on the moon, using slide rules and duct tape.

10 years in 2000's: Go from Windows XP beta to Service Pack 3, and it still has to be rebooted every day.
 
2011-07-08 10:04:29 PM  
The Saturday Night Massacre: IronTom: We were supposed to go off to Moon and Mars, and the program was underay. Obama stopped that and substituted outreach to Muslims to make them feel good about their contributions to science and technology.

The mission to Mars was a ploy by the previous administration to divert money from NASA Earth Sciences ( aka studying climate change from space ) while publicly maintaining that more climate research was needed. The research kept producing findings that were not helping the Bush/Cheney agenda, so they cooked up a diversion: issue a mandate that NASA to return to the Moon and then go on to Mars, but don't provide any additional funding. This meant NASA had to redirect Earth Science money to Space Science and scuttle Earth observing missions.
 
2011-07-08 10:05:13 PM  
Spending billions of dollars on manned space travel makes as much sense as spending the same amount on time travel - neither is practical in any real sense with our current level of technology. In fact, if the Wright brothers had had NASA's track record we'd all still be riding trains to Hawaii.

But seriously folks, basic research is what's needed - decades, maybe even centuries of it, before manned space travel will be anything more than a series of extremely expensive (and dangerous) camping trips.
 
2011-07-08 10:05:50 PM  

furiousxgeorge: olddinosaur: furiousxgeorge:I am aware you can't solve the crisis with NASA alone, but one dollar spent on space toys while we cut spending for vital services is too much.


RTFP, Farker. Rockets are not "toys," they are vital tools which build things which enrich our lives.

Ever see an old-fashioned land-line telephone? They used to carry the call on wires, it cost $3.50 a minute to talk coast to coast. Today: I bought a cell phone at Wal-mart for $10, called a friend standing 10 feet away to test it---and his voice had a 2/10 second lag because the call was going via satellite, but I could hear him person to person.

\\\ You sit at a computer derived from the space program;

\\\ You send the message on wi-fi, derived from the space program;

\\\ It is delivered via the Internet, derived from the space program;

\\\ So you can tell me I am advocating waste for defending the space program.

IRONIC tag goes where?
 
2011-07-08 10:06:24 PM  
The Saturday Night Massacre: IronTom: We were supposed to go off to Moon and Mars, and the program was underay. Obama stopped that and substituted outreach to Muslims to make them feel good about their contributions to science and technology.

The mission to Mars was a ploy by the previous administration to divert money from NASA Earth Sciences ( aka studying climate change from space ) while publicly maintaining that more climate research was needed. The research kept producing findings that were not helping the Bush/Cheney agenda, so they cooked up a diversion: issue a mandate that NASA to return to the Moon and then go on to Mars, but don't provide any additional funding. This meant NASA had to redirect Earth Science money to Space Science and scuttle Earth observing missions.


Ahem.

CITATION NEEDED.
 
2011-07-08 10:19:12 PM  
In the long run, space exploration turned over to private companies is a good thing. We haven't been on the moon in 40 years now, and NASA is held up in red tape and bureaucratic bullshiat and doesn't carry the importance it once did. Disband NASA, turn it over to private companies who are far more motivated, and spend those billions elsewhere.
 
2011-07-08 10:19:45 PM  
America: where what's profitable is possible.
 
2011-07-08 10:27:21 PM  
I'll make a deal with you - as soon as we have universal healthcare, then and only then should we worry about getting men back out in space. If we don't have money to heal our sick, then space can wait.
 
2011-07-08 10:29:26 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Xenomech: .and not only did it fly, but it also performed an unmanned trip to space and back

In principle there's no reason the Shuttle couldn't have flown an unmanned mission. It would've taken some changes in the flight software and such, but it could've been done.


The shuttle could not land on its own. There was a system designed too but it was never used because NASA didn't think it would work.
 
2011-07-08 10:31:44 PM  
erik316wttn: In the long run, space exploration turned over to private companies is a good thing. We haven't been on the moon in 40 years now, and NASA is held up in red tape and bureaucratic bullshiat and doesn't carry the importance it once did. Disband NASA, turn it over to private companies who are far more motivated, and spend those billions elsewhere.

Not sure if serious.

The federal government pays more on it's monthly Air Conditioning bill than it does NASA.
 
2011-07-08 10:33:17 PM  

Blade2567: Bullshiat arguement is bullshiat.


"It's only fiscal irresponsibility when my party loses."

The GOP has run up the vast majority of the National Debt.

Suck it.
 
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