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2011-07-08 08:23:00 PM
We spend more per year air conditioning tents in Iraq and Afghanistan than we do on NASA.

If that doesn't convince you our priorities as a nation are ass-backward, you need to GTFO and never breed.
 
2011-07-08 08:23:18 PM

ChadM89: jbuist: I'd have a hard time imagining that guys with aero-space engineering experience cannot find a private sector job. For one, there are manned space programs in the private sector that could likely use them, and secondly I'm sure there are other industries which could use their talents. Automotive, for instance. I'd like to see what those guys could do for the EV world.

Could be an exciting opportunity.

I spent 10 years doing structural engineering work in the new construction industry. I designed open-web roof and floor truss systems as well as Engineered Wood Product systems consisting of solid-strand materials (i-joists and laminated beams).

In late '09 I was laid off, and I was lucky to hang on that long. The new construction industry is almost non-existent, and there are a great many people out of work and dislocated from their careers as a result.

In the early part of 2010 I had a job interview for a truss designer position at a nearby company, and I learned from the employer (I actually had known him for some time due to being in the same industry in the same general location, so he was very open with me) that at least one of the other applicants for the job had been a NASA engineer for like 27 years and held about 6 professional engineering licenses.

So yeah. Now everyday people looking for work in their regular industry have those guys to compete against. Awesome.



Along similar lines, but my room mate is a tutor, and when he went looking for work recently, ( he had several years of experience at this point) the sylvan learning centers were hiring actual laid off teachers. Can't really compete with that kind of thing. This economy really sucks
 
2011-07-08 08:23:23 PM

LegacyDL: PsiChick: HellRaisingHoosier: I may be drunk right now, but I'm calling out the liars right now.

You lied to us.

You said we could be anything we wanted in America. Well what if I want to be an astronaut? You think the U.S. Government is going to let me build a missile that could go to space even if I had the knowledge to do it? Hell no they aren't. So yea.

America: Where you can be anything you want to be!*

*not intended to be a factual statement

Earth will last 5 billion years before the Sun turns into a red giant. It will last about twenty before global warming and the population boom make us wish the Sun was a red giant.

We should be ready to live in space, because otherwise, people will die.

Why is another country not doing this? Why are WE not doing this?

Humankind, GET MOVING. Twenty years is less than you think.

Actually believe or not the Earth as it is will not last for another 5 billion years. Plate tectonics on this planet will cause the oceans to disappear and when that happens Earth will practically become like Mars where there will be no water as far as we can tell.


Umm, plates move but water is only displaced not moved.
 
2011-07-08 08:23:34 PM

Nabb1: The shuttle's time was up, but the fact that for now that NASA is no longer in the business of manned space flight for the foreseeable future is downright depressing. It used to be a point of national pride for us to be leaders in space exploration. It's really, really a sad day for this country.


"exploration"? They stayed inside the Shuttle.... We know pretty much what it looks like, we built it. What, precisely, did they explore? Low Earth orbit? "Explore" is a loaded word, part of the whole Space Nutter religion. I get that. But let's be realistic. That word is anathema to Space Nutters, though. I mean, listen to the melodramatic, teenage-angst goth nonsense the Space Nutters spew: This "rock", this "mud ball", our long term future...

It's just a religion that promises a better life somewhere else and preaches that life down here is sinful and somehow limiting and lacking... But a tin can in free-fall, that's the ticket...

About as fruity as any other made-up religion exported from the US.
 
2011-07-08 08:23:47 PM

LegacyDL: Plate tectonics on this planet will cause the oceans to disappear and when that happens Earth will practically become like Mars where there will be no water as far as we can tell.


Really? I've never heard that before.
 
2011-07-08 08:24:19 PM

superdude72: Sending robots to Mars isn't an awesome enough technological achievement? Yeesh. My grandfather's head would have exploded at the awesomeness of that. You people are hard to please.


Hell, we still have crowds gathered for rocket launches. I'm sure in the early days of airplanes, people gathered around watching them like we do rockets today.
 
2011-07-08 08:24:20 PM
natazha: "anything is possible"

Like private enterprise building TWO completely new rockets and a man-rated space capsule for less than the cost of a single Shuttle launch.

Way to go, Obama!


Of course, what you fail to mention is that all that technology was built on the back of research that...

wait for it...

NASA and US Government agencies did.

Oh, and they still haven't even had a manned spaceflight yet. The only thing that private industry has come close to have been ultra-high atmospheric, sub-orbital burns.

tortilla burger: Let's recap for a moment: Obama becomes the first black president in American history, wins the Nobel peace prize while conducting two wars, and eliminates the #1 most wanted terrorist in the world when his two predecessors could not. Sounds to me like anything IS still possible 'round here.

Two wars that were supposed to be over by the end of his Presidency.

Obama's policies, building on administration after administration's failure to uphold human spaceflight, have now put us dependant on the Russian space program for all of our manned space science. Oh well, atleast we can prop up an economy that is, oh, roughly 50-60% unfriendly towards us.
 
2011-07-08 08:24:28 PM

All_Farked_Up: We could always bring home our troops, close a base or 2, or decommission a few nukes.


SOCIALIST!!!!

/amidoinitrite?
//seriously Mr President, bring home the troops and decommission a 100 or so nukes
 
2011-07-08 08:24:39 PM

The Bestest: Riotcow: Which private manned space programs? What extragovernmental 'manned space program' exists? Do you mean Spaceshipone? That sort of barely grazed the atmosphere?

http://www.spacex.com/


More than that, although SpaceX has that awesome Falcon Heavy that, if it works, will carry cargo at 21% of the cost of the shuttle.

List of private space flight companies

Those guys didn't even exist a few years ago. The X price kicked it off and then the COTS contract and all the rest. Hell, Bigelow has a prototype space station up there in orbit.

Goddamn, I voted against Obama and hate most of the stuff he's done but this was a good thing.One thing NASA shouldn't be doing is driving a truck to LEO.
 
2011-07-08 08:25:18 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Where's the money going?


Planned Parenthood and PBS

/duh
 
2011-07-08 08:25:45 PM
Obama's policy, which essentially defers space operations to private industry, has diminished one of America's greatest exports - the belief that in America anything is possible affordable.
 
2011-07-08 08:26:38 PM
The rats done bit my sister Nell.
 
2011-07-08 08:26:55 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: It's just a religion that promises a better life somewhere else and preaches that life down here is sinful and somehow limiting and lacking... But a tin can in free-fall, that's the ticket...



I don't agree with you, and I am no "space nutter" but I have never heard this assessment and I find it amusing.
 
2011-07-08 08:27:01 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: "exploration"? They stayed inside the Shuttle....


You know how I know you don't know much about astronomy and such things?
 
2011-07-08 08:27:22 PM

hardinparamedic: natazha: "anything is possible"

Like private enterprise building TWO completely new rockets and a man-rated space capsule for less than the cost of a single Shuttle launch.

Way to go, Obama!

Of course, what you fail to mention is that all that technology was built on the back of research that...

wait for it...

NASA and US Government agencies did.

Oh, and they still haven't even had a manned spaceflight yet. The only thing that private industry has come close to have been ultra-high atmospheric, sub-orbital burns.


Research they did before most of the people posting here were born

Yeah, they're working on the backs of research that NASA did. That's the point. They DID it. It's done. It's not cutting edge anymore. It's routine. That's when NASA hands it over to private corporations and moves on to doing more cutting edge shiat.
 
2011-07-08 08:27:58 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: I may be drunk right now, but I'm calling out the liars right now.

You lied to us.

You said we could be anything we wanted in America. Well what if I want to be an astronaut?


You're too drunk to be an astronaut and so is your mama.
 
2011-07-08 08:28:18 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: The world quit believing that after Vietnam.


Actually some of our greatest triumphs in manned spaceflight occurred precisely during the conflict in Vietnam. Vietnam (and the resulting fallout) was also it's demise.

Apollo was ambitious. Very ambitious. Looking at the tech those guys had to use to execute on that program, it's simply amazing to think we were able to pull it off.

The defunding of NASA was heralded by the cancellation of Apollo. NASA tried to put on a good face with Spacelab, and thus tried to continue on a bureaucratic path with a full-fledged space station program, culminating in the ISS of today. The only true explorative and ambitious programs since then have been the various unmanned missions and observatories. He'll. They're still counting on shot they launched early on like Voyager to do long range exploration. We haven't launched many deep-space missions since.

Yes it's sad. The program has been hamstrung by a lack of vision from leaders since JFK got whacked. Obama was probably the best hope for NASA in terms of visionary and inspiring leadership and he's thoroughly bungled it.
 
2011-07-08 08:29:34 PM
Spade: The Bestest: Riotcow: Which private manned space programs? What extragovernmental 'manned space program' exists? Do you mean Spaceshipone? That sort of barely grazed the atmosphere?

http://www.spacex.com/

More than that, although SpaceX has that awesome Falcon Heavy that, if it works, will carry cargo at 21% of the cost of the shuttle.

List of private space flight companies

Those guys didn't even exist a few years ago. The X price kicked it off and then the COTS contract and all the rest. Hell, Bigelow has a prototype space station up there in orbit.

Goddamn, I voted against Obama and hate most of the stuff he's done but this was a good thing.One thing NASA shouldn't be doing is driving a truck to LEO.


You do realize that NASA has had 4 different shuttle replacement prototypes over the past 15 years that have all been canceled by congressional budget cuts, right?
 
2011-07-08 08:31:02 PM
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Uh-huh.

You're a hit at parties too, aren't you.
 
2011-07-08 08:31:40 PM

Nabb1: The shuttle's time was up, but the fact that for now that NASA is no longer in the business of manned space flight for the foreseeable future is downright depressing. It used to be a point of national pride for us to be leaders in space exploration. It's really, really a sad day for this country.


If the government had established the first national telephone company would we be upset that once it became commodized that turning it over to the open market would be a bad thing?

Now on the other hand, i have no problem with government funding research and exploratory missions before they're lucrative in the public sector. Otherwize we'd not have the Hubble project.
 
2011-07-08 08:31:41 PM

Spade: One thing NASA shouldn't be doing is driving a truck to LEO.


So NASA shouldn't be launching communications satellites either?

nlscb: corrupt are impossible in America.


Almost every single person working at NASA went to public school, including the astronauts.
 
2011-07-08 08:33:32 PM
NASA and the Department of Defense have had this interesting interrelationship since NASA's founding. Let's not kid ourselves; the Space Race wasn't just about looking good in front of the Ruskies. It was about saying "We have rockets. Big rockets. You already knew we had nukes. Now know we have rockets to deliver the nukes. Maybe even from space!" (Cue Tom Lehrer, "Wernher von Braun".) The civilian and military rocket programs were deeply intertwined. However, as times changed and we became more embroiled in Vietnam, the military funding was diverted elsewhere, and, as WhyteRaven points out, the NASA rocketry funding started to dry up.

Then in the 1980s, the NASA administrators thought that they could get more of those lovely DoDollars by pairing up with them for a satellite-launch vehicle. TFA details some of the ways that went horribly wrong. After completely changing the Shuttle's profile, the Air Force decided to go with its own rockets after all, and NASA was left holding the (larger than planned) baby. They made the best use of that baby they could, as long as they could, but it ate up all the money for other space-exploration projects. Don't get me started on "Space Station Freedom", our answer to Russia's "Mir". So ironic that it's now the "International Space Station".

Finally, as the Shuttle grew decrepit, a Fearless Leader stepped forth to declare we were going to start anew with manned spaceflight programs! There was just one little hitch. NASA's funding had never recovered from the Apollo glory days, and indeed was an ever-shrinking percentage of GDP. No more DoDollars were forthcoming. And no new funds were allocated. So... how do you start a fundamentally new program with no money? That is, and remains, the problem.

Now they want to start cutting on the science side, too. The James Webb may be a bloated warthog of fiscal mismanagement, but the actual telescope's pretty shiny, and will advance science for decades. Now the appropriations committee suggests cutting it, half-done though it be.

Bottom line? We can't have a nice space program because it no longer rakes in Federal dollars for defense/NASA contractors sufficient to woo them away from building missile shields that don't work and military airplanes that don't work.
 
2011-07-08 08:34:08 PM
Spade: hardinparamedic: natazha: "anything is possible"

Like private enterprise building TWO completely new rockets and a man-rated space capsule for less than the cost of a single Shuttle launch.

Way to go, Obama!

Of course, what you fail to mention is that all that technology was built on the back of research that...

wait for it...

NASA and US Government agencies did.

Oh, and they still haven't even had a manned spaceflight yet. The only thing that private industry has come close to have been ultra-high atmospheric, sub-orbital burns.


Research they did before most of the people posting here were born

Yeah, they're working on the backs of research that NASA did. That's the point. They DID it. It's done. It's not cutting edge anymore. It's routine. That's when NASA hands it over to private corporations and moves on to doing more cutting edge shiat.


Oh, They've done it? Please show me where a private corporation has put a manned spaceflight into low earth orbit outside of the atmosphere.

I wouldn't even be so upset about it if NASA had handed off to private industry after they had the infrastructure and demonstrated capability in place.

They didn't.

We're dependant on the Russian Soyez program, a 50 year old space design, to carry our men and women into space now.
 
2011-07-08 08:34:28 PM

Spade: It's routine.


Not really. Originally there was talk of having overlapping Shuttle missions, if that had happened and been sustained, then it would be close to routine.
 
2011-07-08 08:34:49 PM

jst3p: Sounds speculative at best to me. Our political leaders completely lack any vision beyond short term political gains. That much is clear. Space exploration is likely one of our most important undertakings for humanity. If we have a long term future, it lies in one day getting off this rock. It's like JFK said, "We choose to do these things not because the are easy, but because the are hard." Or, "hahd."

Because....


We're running out of resources. Our supplies of copper, given consumptive trends, will only last another 50 years or so. Uranium, another hundred years. When we finally find a way to perpetuate a stable fusion reaction, our terrestrial supplies of hydrogen-3 will only last 500 years, and that's if we filter every gallon of water on earth. The moon has massive deposits of Hydrogen-3, and could provide a fueling station for interplanetary travel. I find it insulting that anyone would be against discovering what the universe has to offer outside of the little water-covered rock we call Earth. It's on par with being against Christopher Columbus' expeditions because they might fall off the side of the earth.
 
2011-07-08 08:35:10 PM
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2011-07-08 08:35:24 PM
Obama supports cuts to NASA budget. He's diminishing America's greatness.

Obama doesn't support them, he's a tax and spend socialest.

But we're not against him because he's black, it's because of his bad policy.
 
2011-07-08 08:35:31 PM
There is more truth in that headline than you idiots will admit...and my country dies a little more every farking day.

//AWESOME farkING HOPE & CHANGE
 
2011-07-08 08:36:26 PM

hardinparamedic: Spade: The Bestest: Riotcow: Which private manned space programs? What extragovernmental 'manned space program' exists? Do you mean Spaceshipone? That sort of barely grazed the atmosphere?

http://www.spacex.com/

More than that, although SpaceX has that awesome Falcon Heavy that, if it works, will carry cargo at 21% of the cost of the shuttle.

List of private space flight companies

Those guys didn't even exist a few years ago. The X price kicked it off and then the COTS contract and all the rest. Hell, Bigelow has a prototype space station up there in orbit.

Goddamn, I voted against Obama and hate most of the stuff he's done but this was a good thing.One thing NASA shouldn't be doing is driving a truck to LEO.

You do realize that NASA has had 4 different shuttle replacement prototypes over the past 15 years that have all been canceled by congressional budget cuts, right?


This is one of those areas where I believe privatization hurts us. With NASA in charge there's a certain element of space exploration (and the resulting engineering effort) that's publicly available and open to scientific analysis. Now with a private corporation running the show, I'm not so sure how that intellectual property is going to take hold.

For example, if I'm a private for-profit entity investing my money into a mission, the resulting data from that mission may also wind up as private domain knowlege sold at a premium.

No, I don't think this move is good for our country. It's taking one of the last true remaining exports - research - and limiting it's scope, which in turn means a relative dark age for our society.
 
2011-07-08 08:36:46 PM

davidphogan: LegacyDL: Plate tectonics on this planet will cause the oceans to disappear and when that happens Earth will practically become like Mars where there will be no water as far as we can tell.

Really? I've never heard that before.


Probably beause he just made it up?
 
2011-07-08 08:36:49 PM

Nabb1: The shuttle's time was up, but the fact that for now that NASA is no longer in the business of manned space flight for the foreseeable future is downright depressing. It used to be a point of national pride for us to be leaders in space exploration. It's really, really a sad day for this country.




Yes, but now we're rapidly become world leaders in wealth disparity. Pretty soon, a very tiny tiny handful of people will be able to go into space simply by climbing atop their piles of cash.

That's almost as good, right?
 
2011-07-08 08:37:08 PM
BTW there were also supposed to be polar orbit shuttle missions launch from Vandenburg. That never happened. Even though for the most part it was the USAF who wanted those, there were plenty of non-military reasons for them. Yet that whole launch facility, never used.
 
2011-07-08 08:37:31 PM
In America, anything is possible.

Anything in this general area right in here.

Anything below the stereo and on this side of the bicentennial glasses.

Anything between the ashtrays and the thimble.

Anything in this three inches right in here, in this area.

That includes the Chiclets, but not the erasers.
 
2011-07-08 08:38:08 PM

jbuist: Nabb1: Unless you're a NASA engineer.

I'd have a hard time imagining that guys with aero-space engineering experience cannot find a private sector job. For one, there are manned space programs in the private sector that could likely use them, and secondly I'm sure there are other industries which could use their talents. Automotive, for instance. I'd like to see what those guys could do for the EV world.

Could be an exciting opportunity.


You've never dealt with GM or Ford HR, have you? They hate aerospace.

They like to get them fresh out of engineering school, where the young minds haven't been polluted by the "anything is possible, since we have a bottomless pit full of Federal money..." syndrome.

Aircraft engineers are also notorious for never letting go of a design, and upgrading and modifying for YEARS after the design was put into production, Since airframes and engines are all but hand built, saying on a print that "this design is only valid for Ser. No. XXYY and subsequent..." is pretty common.

Detroit builds a hundred thousand of one design, each part stamped, welded, finished and bolted in, using JIT and split second timing. God help the engineer who wants a ECN, (Engineering Change Notice), after the line starts to roll.

Boeing and Lockheed, won't touch each others engineering personnel. Different cultures, CAD software, design philosophies.

NASA is the fifth wheel, since they do things differently, have different specifications, that they could demand from all their subcontractors. (Who, by the way are also Farked, since space vehicles ain't airplanes, and the software all the subcontractors had to get for NASA is incompatible for Boeing and Lockheed...)

Basically, anyone who worked at NASA, or for a NASA contractor, is a Leper. Thanks, Congress.

 
2011-07-08 08:38:18 PM
Excen: jst3p: Sounds speculative at best to me. Our political leaders completely lack any vision beyond short term political gains. That much is clear. Space exploration is likely one of our most important undertakings for humanity. If we have a long term future, it lies in one day getting off this rock. It's like JFK said, "We choose to do these things not because the are easy, but because the are hard." Or, "hahd."

Because....

We're running out of resources. Our supplies of copper, given consumptive trends, will only last another 50 years or so. Uranium, another hundred years. When we finally find a way to perpetuate a stable fusion reaction, our terrestrial supplies of hydrogen-3 will only last 500 years, and that's if we filter every gallon of water on earth. The moon has massive deposits of Hydrogen-3, and could provide a fueling station for interplanetary travel. I find it insulting that anyone would be against discovering what the universe has to offer outside of the little water-covered rock we call Earth. It's on par with being against Christopher Columbus' expeditions because they might fall off the side of the earth.


Quoted for truth.

Humanity's only hope for being around as a technological society for more than the next 100 years is to look to the heavens for resources and living space.

Even developing the technology to mine the astroid belt would give us neigh-unlimited resources.
 
2011-07-08 08:38:20 PM

doglover: No matter what time you're born in, it's basically the same. We're always at a peak, above our forfathers, and we're always the best generation. Have been even when we weren't. The human condition is the same now as yesterday and tomorrow.


Heh. Thanks for the link. It did cheer me up a bit. I'm not looking to ditch the modern age, just occasionally wishing I could have been around for some of the amazing things that inspired me as a kid. Now that I'm all grown up, I know a little bit more about reality.

As I said, it's just the occasional yen for a rose-colored past I know didn't exist.

also:

If anyone sits here, let him read this first of all: if anyone wants a screw, he should look for Attice; she costs 4 sestertii.

Major LOL. even the graffiti reads like an epic.

Hearken, weary traveler: Lo, though I sit here down in spirit, the mighty gods know of my attempts to defecate, leading only to flatulence...
 
2011-07-08 08:38:33 PM

Science Farktion: Finally, as the Shuttle grew decrepit, a Fearless Leader stepped forth to declare we were going to start anew with manned spaceflight programs! There was just one little hitch.


MARS biatchES!!!

Actually there's another hitch, which is we haven't successfully kept anyone in space long enough for a Mars mission, and the way we've done it so far, astronauts wouldn't survive a trip that long.
 
2011-07-08 08:38:42 PM
Too bad we can't fuel the shuttles with the fat of our welfare recipients
 
2011-07-08 08:39:24 PM
Obama did *insert something such as eat, cut spending, increase spending, talk on the phone* and ruined America, slid us toward socialism and destroyed the economy. Hopey changey

Truly America's greatest monster
 
2011-07-08 08:39:38 PM
eraser8

I really hope the people biatching about supporting Obama's turning space exploration over to the private market aren't the same ones who claim that government is bad at everything it does the answer to everything and that government functions private industry should be taken over by private industry government bureaucracies .

It might expose the fact that the people pushing privatization of government functions aren't really thinking for themselves. They're just parroting the talking points of those who believe that government services are only bad when


FiFy


Obama supporter Neil deGrass Tyson on NASA spending:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/air-conditioning-military-cost-nasa_n _8 81828.html

Nasa's entire budget is less than A/C bill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/air-conditioning-military-cost-nasa_n _8 81828.html


Don't pretend to care about spending and when you're lined up behind the biggest deficit spender in U.S. History.
 
2011-07-08 08:40:24 PM

Blade2567: There is more truth in that headline than you idiots will admit...and my country dies a little more every farking day.

//AWESOME farkING HOPE & CHANGE


You sound concerned
 
2011-07-08 08:41:27 PM

Excen: We spend more per year air conditioning tents in Iraq and Afghanistan than we do on NASA.

If that doesn't convince you our priorities as a nation are ass-backward, you need to GTFO and never breed.


If oil came from space we'd have warp engines and captain Kirk by now.
 
2011-07-08 08:41:32 PM

Excen: jst3p: Sounds speculative at best to me. Our political leaders completely lack any vision beyond short term political gains. That much is clear. Space exploration is likely one of our most important undertakings for humanity. If we have a long term future, it lies in one day getting off this rock. It's like JFK said, "We choose to do these things not because the are easy, but because the are hard." Or, "hahd."

Because....

We're running out of resources. Our supplies of copper, given consumptive trends, will only last another 50 years or so. Uranium, another hundred years. When we finally find a way to perpetuate a stable fusion reaction, our terrestrial supplies of hydrogen-3 will only last 500 years, and that's if we filter every gallon of water on earth. The moon has massive deposits of Hydrogen-3, and could provide a fueling station for interplanetary travel. I find it insulting that anyone would be against discovering what the universe has to offer outside of the little water-covered rock we call Earth. It's on par with being against Christopher Columbus' expeditions because they might fall off the side of the earth.


I never said I was against it, I just hate the hyperbole.
 
2011-07-08 08:41:48 PM

Quantum Apostrophe:

"exploration"? They stayed inside the Shuttle.... We know pretty much what it looks like, we built it. What, precisely, did they explore? Low Earth orbit? "Explore" is a loaded word, part of the whole Space Nutter religion. I get that. But let's be realistic. That word is anathema to Space Nutters, though. I mean, listen to the melodramatic, teenage-angst goth nonsense the Space Nutters spew: This "rock", this "mud ball", our long term future...

It's just a religion that promises a better life somewhere else and preaches that life down here is sinful and somehow limiting and lacking... But a tin can in free-fall, that's the ticket...

About as fruity as any other made-up religion exported from the US.


To be fair it also promises that you can bang the three titted Martian hooker from "Total Recall" so there's that.
 
2011-07-08 08:41:56 PM

daxxenos: Aircraft engineers are also notorious for never letting go of a design, and upgrading and modifying for YEARS after the design was put into productio


That's an issue of companies like Boeing not wanting to star from scratch, they'd rather just update designs instead of sink the money into new ones. Even though after a while, it's doubtful they're saving any money by not just going to a clean sheet of paper.
 
2011-07-08 08:42:49 PM

FloydA: Manned space missions are now sufficiently safe and well understood that private industries are taking over what was formerly only done by governments.

Why do Republicans hate the free market?


trololo
 
2011-07-08 08:42:55 PM
As long as he talks about business, it's a business expense, and he'll be able to deduct it from the taxes he already doesn't want to pay. The difference? The rubes will make it up.

Win/win for the expense-account crowd.
 
2011-07-08 08:43:50 PM
I believe in Richard Branson and Virgin Galactic. these guys will get us off this planet. And likely far more efficiently than the government ever would have.
 
2011-07-08 08:44:12 PM
The space shuttle is a beautiful bird, but old technology and very costly to maintain. Check into the private space companies and you'll see a wealth of tech expansion into new composites, etc.

NASA is still doing top notch stuff.....an unmanned spacecraft is about to go into orbit around an asteroid. And there is another BIG Mars mission ahead.
I for VERY excited by what will happen in the next 5 years.
 
2011-07-08 08:44:41 PM
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