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(Talking Points Memo)   GOP fiscal darling Paul Ryan and two conservative economist pals drink a couple of $350 bottles of pinot noir at a DC bistro. Only two? Well, everybody has to sacrifice   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 264
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2011-07-08 07:11:21 PM  
while $700 might not be the biggest deal, the question of "who really paid for it?" was not answered.

"economists" sounds a lot like "lobbyists".

Yes, these people are politicians. If they can't handle this shiat they should get out of the biz.
 
2011-07-08 07:13:10 PM  

xant: You were in the restaurant, too, lady. When you want to call someone a hypocrite, it helps to not do it hypocritically.


Indeed, it's like making a stink about catching your friend in line at the dildo store - what are you doing in the dildo store in the first place...

Feel bad for Paul Ryan, spending his own money on a delicious dinner and having it ruined by a raging biatch. And for making me feel sorry for Paul Ryan, I am deeply angry at this woman.
 
2011-07-08 07:13:30 PM  
In other news, rich guy wants to cut taxes for rich people, and wants to cut benefits for those who are not rich.
 
2011-07-08 07:14:09 PM  

xkillyourfacex: So he advocates the government limits spending, and you think that means he advocates private citizens should limit spending? When the government over-spends and over-debts, it taxes its people and harms them. When he pays for $350 bottle of wine out of his own pocket, it literally has zero impact on me.


Indeed. Funny to hear Dems suddenly arguing that when times are tight, spending money is the wrong thing to do; I'm sure I've heard them say it actually benefited the economy.
 
2011-07-08 07:15:23 PM  
How DARE people spend their money on things I don't approve of.

Their ought to be a law.
 
2011-07-08 07:17:01 PM  

TheirThey'reNow: jigger: Maybe Congress should be paid the average per capita income. Right now in the US that's about $42k/yr.

Hell, the per capita in DC is about $75k/yr. I think they should get by on that.

Or perhaps they should be paid like waitstaff. Base pay of $30/day (or so) from the taxpayers plus whatever they scam off of the lobbyists. They'll still be millionaires.


Or try the Singapore model. Pay elected and senior civil service officials way above market rate and then institute extremely punitive consequences for bribery and corruption. We'd have to amend the eighth amendment to allow for cruel and unusual punishment in these cases.

It's not quite Plato's sequestering of the best and brightest, but it would be better than the system currently in place. At least it would be for the American people. The Koch or Walton or Scaife families? Not so much.
 
2011-07-08 07:17:38 PM  
So funny...an economist who lives in academia...her formulas probably suggest the economy is in full recovery and that we never were in a recession.

These academia left minded economists need to just STFU.

Lastly, WTF were you doing in the restaurant? I want to know WTF you spent on food and drinks.
 
2011-07-08 07:18:34 PM  

GORDON: How DARE people spend their money on things I don't approve of.

Their ought to be a law.


Your right, they're should be.
 
2011-07-08 07:18:41 PM  
I'm profoundly far away from giving a rat's ass about this, and the way the author tried to peddle the outrage made me annoyed at her.
 
2011-07-08 07:18:48 PM  
GOP fiscal darling Paul Ryan and two conservative economist pals drink a couple of $350 bottles of pinot noir at a DC bistro. Only two? Well, everybody has to sacrifice

Subby?

www.judaismovirtual.com
 
2011-07-08 07:19:45 PM  

Nabb1: Although, one caveat to my "so" and that is this: as the mark-up at restaurants has already been noted, a good rule of thumb is you are paying about three times the cost at a wine store when you buy in a restaurant. So, that's roughly $100 in a wine store. Though no wine retailers or sommeliers in a restaurant will ever tell you this, the truth is only a small percentage of people have palates sensitive enough to tell the difference between a $100 bottle of wine and a $30 bottle of wine (store prices). Almost anyone can distinguish a $12 bottle of wine from a $4 bottle of swill, and many people can tell the difference between a $12 bottle and a $30 bottle, but above that, you are getting into oenophile territory. In a restaurant, if you really want to indulge, try to stay in the $100 range. After that, you're just throwing money around, unless of course you really, really want a particular wine. But if you don't know the difference before you order, stay away from the restaurant's $300 stuff.


As a general rule I'm right with ya, but just a couple of things: First expensive is no actual guarantee of quality. Second, taste is up to the individual, you may find a wine outstanding while someone else is unmoved, at any price point. And... It was two bottles so by your 1/3 rule that's under 60 bucks each. (that's still a lot, but pinot noirs tend to be expensive v. just about anything else) And pinots are funny you can find a few around 15 bucks but they pretty much suck at 15 you can get some very tasty wines from different grapes, or blends from just about anywhere, pinots, not so much. There is another group around $25 - $30, and it is hit and miss. There are still a few losers even at $60 but they are the exception at that point.
Having said that: Fiscal Super Hero Boy dropping $350 for wine for dinner, publicly, while not hard to do, is bad optics.
 
2011-07-08 07:20:07 PM  
TPM caught up with Ryan after a vote outside of the Speaker's lobby. In further explaining his side of the story, Ryan said he only had one glass of wine out of the two bottles but decided when it came time to pay the bill that he should pay for one of the bottles of wine out of an abundance of caution. He even produced the receipt for the meal, which you can view here. The receipt shows a charge to Ryan's credit card for $472 -- $392 for his meal and the bottle of wine and a generous $80 tip.

The dude tips 20%. I'll bet she wasn't as generous.
 
2011-07-08 07:20:40 PM  
If some coont pulled that on me at dinner I would slap her and her biatch of a husband into next Tuesday.
 
2011-07-08 07:25:39 PM  
But remember, even though he drinks $350 bottles of wine he can still relate to the common everyday person struggling to make ends meet in this economy.
 
2011-07-08 07:26:28 PM  

JC22: Lastly, WTF were you doing in the restaurant? I want to know WTF you spent on food and drinks.


You'd probably have to ask Mr. Feinberg, and that bird don't sing! Especially not to you dirty, cheese eatin' Johnny Law types! So scram!
 
2011-07-08 07:29:04 PM  
Hmmm... Here's the prices for the dinner entrées:

# awk 'BEGIN {RS="\n\n"} {split($0,a,"\n") ; print "$" $NF "\t" a[1]}' menu
$27.75 Flounder Veronique
$26.00 Duck Confit Façon Tarbais
$25.75 Trout Grenobloise
$28.50 Sea Scallops Crecy
$28.00 Sweetbreads à la Zingara
$29.00 Gigot d'Agneau Rôti
$24.50 Ravioli Forestière
$27.00 Salmon Argenteuil
$27.50 Beef Bourguignon
$28.75 Côte de Porc à l'Ancienne
$33.00 Steak Frites


Hardly an horrendously pricy place, but still expensive. So, what was the lady with the overwhelming concern for the plight of the poor doing there? Why wasn't she having a sandwich and an apple and donating the rest of the money to the food bank, soup kitchen, etc?


elchip: dj_bigbird: He's not spending government money, so he can do whatever the fark he wants.

Where do Congressmens' salaries come from, again?

Paul Ryan has only oh-so-briefly not held jobs that weren't funded by taxpayers.


So what's the point? The money becomes his once he's paid, and is no longer government money. Now, if you don't like the way a public official earns their pay, you can bring it up in their next performance review, but it's their money.
 
2011-07-08 07:32:07 PM  
Well at least they're plowing some much-needed money back into the failing economy.
 
2011-07-08 07:32:42 PM  

BlankSlate: You know? I'm "living" on disabilty and $700 represents my 3 and a half month budget for FOOD!
Do you know why this line of reasoning is important? It's because so many lawmakers cannot relate to their constituents on some of the most basic levels.
Paul Ryan can certainly say that he wouldn't spend so much for a bottle of wine again but he cannot relate to the fact that his "bottle of wine" represents 6 weeks of groceries for many of us! Yeah, he can live without a bottle of wine but I need my tuna, veggies, milk, cheese...... to enable me to live.


THIS.

To counteract the derp-filled person that replied to you: There are plenty of disabilities that dont affect keyboard input, much less there being ways to type for the ones that do.

Thanks to climate businesses are in, they would rather find a legal way to do an illegal thing versus the correct one - with respect to work.
 
2011-07-08 07:34:51 PM  

what_now: Yeah..I don't see any problem with rich people dropping $350 on a bottle of wine.

I see a problem with them refusing to pay their taxes.


Yeah...I see a problem with them parroting a line about 'everyone has to make sacrifices' and then pulling this shiat, because it proves they're totally out of touch.

That, and by this point, the rich are due for a witchhunt.

/Of course, this isn't really news, but still...
 
2011-07-08 07:36:33 PM  

elchip: dj_bigbird: He's not spending government money, so he can do whatever the fark he wants.

Where do Congressmens' salaries come from, again?

Paul Ryan has only oh-so-briefly not held jobs that weren't funded by taxpayers.


Really? So where does everyone's money come from when government spending constitutes a major portion of GDP?

Try this lame argument somewhere else. I'm not defending Ryan here, but this is pretty lame.
 
2011-07-08 07:37:34 PM  

Dinki: But remember folks, it's the Democrats and Obama in particular that are the elitists.


So you're saying that it would be equally as news-worthy if Obama or any of the Democrat congressmen had done this?
 
2011-07-08 07:42:20 PM  
A woman eating at an expensive restaurant chastises a politician at the same restaurant for ordering something expensive. Pot, meet kettle.
 
2011-07-08 07:43:09 PM  
The misogyny in this thread is very telling.
 
2011-07-08 07:46:42 PM  
Good for her, giving him a piece of her mind. I like fine liquor but I've never gone over double digits on any bottle. Geez.
 
2011-07-08 07:47:43 PM  
I'm sick of this kind of reporting.

1). What was this reporter eating? Why not biatch at her for being at this resturant?

2). Why don't we ever shake down democrats role in the huge debt crisis? The out of control entitlement spending? The chummy relationship they have with major banks? I'm looking at you Chris Dodd. fark you. Your little hedge fund buddies and ponzi schemers made a fortune in Connecticut. Meanwhile the rest of the country took it up the ass. All while you had the rest of the country tied up in somewhat justified Bush hatred and pointless social wrangling. fark you sir.
3). What has this biatch or any democrat for that matter done about foreign imports ruining our economy. The Chinese continue to falsely devalue their currency which drives the cost of their exports down to levels making it impossible for domestic companies to compete. Don't farking blame it on labor costs. If the democrats would quit accepting handjobs from the banks who are vested in China and actually stand up for us we wouldnt be in this shiathole to begin with. So fark off.

I'm done here.
 
2011-07-08 07:48:30 PM  

PsiChick: That, and by this point, the rich are due for a witchhunt.

This is perfectly sane. Not ridiculous at all.

 
2011-07-08 07:49:58 PM  

treesloth: So what's the point? The money becomes his once he's paid, and is no longer government money. .


Tell that to the Republicans who keep screaming about how public employees paying their union dues with their salary is an immoral conflict of interests.
 
2011-07-08 07:51:29 PM  

obamadidcoke: sethstorm: BlankSlate: You know? I'm "living" on disabilty and $700 represents my 3 and a half month budget for FOOD!
Do you know why this line of reasoning is important? It's because so many lawmakers cannot relate to their constituents on some of the most basic levels.
Paul Ryan can certainly say that he wouldn't spend so much for a bottle of wine again but he cannot relate to the fact that his "bottle of wine" represents 6 weeks of groceries for many of us! Yeah, he can live without a bottle of wine but I need my tuna, veggies, milk, cheese...... to enable me to live.

THIS.

To counteract the derp-filled person that replied to you: There are plenty of disabilities that dont affect keyboard input, much less there being ways to type for the ones that do.

Thanks to climate businesses are in, they would rather find a legal way to do an illegal thing versus the correct one - with respect to work.

Still, if you can type you can work.


Not if a company won't hire you, finding some legal technicality to avoid calling it on disability.
 
2011-07-08 07:51:30 PM  

Dinki: But remember folks, it's the Democrats and Obama in particular that are the elitists.


You can drink your bathtub gin all you want.
 
2011-07-08 07:52:54 PM  

EditorialSpace: It seems that there are a lot of apologist in this thread.

Like you, I could care less what a rich person does with their money. However, that is not the issue per say; and you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

The issue is the person spending this money. On one hand, it might be common for rich people to schmooze over $350+ bottles of wine. However, the issue is with the person doing it. Rep. Ryan has been arguing and continues to argue that "entitlement" programs must be slashed. He wants people earning less than $900 a month from Social Security to be making less than $450 from Social Security, in addition to deep cuts to Medicaid, and Medicare...and then with what is left, turn it into a voucher program. Rep. Ryan even wants to go after military retirees, as well, because, according to his misguided definition, they double dip. Rep. Ryan does all this but refuses to budge on taxes for the wealthiest of Americans. I ask, what is that, a few less dinner engagements a year?

The problem is that the scenario is symbolic. Someone says, I got mine, Fark the rest of the you! You are not worthy of the same opportunity I was given. The people in the cracks of society must pay for it when I fail, because I never take responsibility for my actions.

I will leave to the rest of you to continue to apologize for Rep. Ryan. Carry On.


What does any of that have to do with him being able to split 350 bucks worth of wine between a few people? Y U MAD, THO?
 
2011-07-08 07:54:10 PM  

Elmo Jones: The misogyny in this thread is very telling.


You're a coont.
 
2011-07-08 07:55:19 PM  

obamadidcoke: BlankSlate: what_now: thismomentinblackhistory: You know? I'm "living" on disabilty and $700 represents my 3 and a half month budget for FOOD!
Do you know why this line of reasoning is important? It's because so many lawmakers cannot relate to their constituents on some of the most basic levels.
Paul Ryan can certainly say that he wouldn't spend so much for a bottle of wine again but he cannot relate to the fact that his "bottle of wine" represents 6 weeks of groceries for many of us! Yeah, he can live without a bottle of wine but I need my tuna, veggies, milk, cheese...... to enable me to live.

So I guess that I should pick up the tab for you?

Give me a break.You are so disabled that you can not work but you can type on a computer?
Maybe you could get off your ass and put that skill to work for yourself.


Yeah because 5th graders don't know how to type!
I wouldn't accept a piece of soiled toilet paper from your sorry ass but, just to be sure, are you POSITIVE that I wasn't disabled in the military fighting for the rights of your sorry ass? Or I was the police officer who lost their legs in the shoot out saving your family?

Since MY arguement was regarding this politician's inability to appreciate the difficulties his own constituents encounter I think your response more than proves the point. Some a$$holes cannot appreciate that they would not be where they are now were it not for the bodies they climbed over.
Make you feel better telling me to get off my ass? Little uncomfortable knowing that you'd like to order that bottle of grape juice next week? Here's your break, you're not needed. You're redundant. There are more than enough selfish bastards in the world. No matter what my disability, I am still human.
 
2011-07-08 07:55:38 PM  

dameron: treesloth: So what's the point? The money becomes his once he's paid, and is no longer government money. .

Tell that to the Republicans who keep screaming about how public employees paying their union dues with their salary is an immoral conflict of interests.


Tell that to every major bank executive that listed their party affiliation as Democrat just prior to Obama getting elected. Believe it.

I'm so sick of this party. They once stood up for the little guy. Now they just fark him in the ass.
 
2011-07-08 07:57:34 PM  
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He bought expensive wine? OH THE HUGE MANATEE!1!

I mean even if we were to assume that it is somehow a big deal for a politician to buy expensive stuff, this is a non story. Call me when he's drinking $5000 a glass wine off of a male hooker and maybe I'll sort of care.
 
2011-07-08 07:57:56 PM  
There was some Subway(?) commercial a couple years ago that depicts a guy lamenting the menu at some expensive restaurant during a "meet the parents" dinner. So he sneaks across the street and brings back a sub sandwich and has the restaurant bring it out to him on a covered platter. I think that would be me.
 
2011-07-08 07:59:35 PM  

Vorpal: There was some Subway(?) commercial a couple years ago that depicts a guy lamenting the menu at some expensive restaurant during a "meet the parents" dinner. So he sneaks across the street and brings back a sub sandwich and has the restaurant bring it out to him on a covered platter. I think that would be me.


You're welcome to eat all the dog shiat on toast that you want, nobody is putting a gun to your head and making you eat decent food.
 
2011-07-08 08:01:07 PM  

TravisBickle62: Vorpal: There was some Subway(?) commercial a couple years ago that depicts a guy lamenting the menu at some expensive restaurant during a "meet the parents" dinner. So he sneaks across the street and brings back a sub sandwich and has the restaurant bring it out to him on a covered platter. I think that would be me.

You're welcome to eat all the dog shiat on toast that you want, nobody is putting a gun to your head and making you eat decent food.


I lol'd.
 
2011-07-08 08:04:04 PM  

OnlyM3: what_now

Yeah..I don't see any problem with rich people dropping $350 on a bottle of wine.

I see a problem with them refusing to pay their taxes.
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes. How much more do you want, leach?


What is he leaking? Fine wine? I suspect he's too poor. Or maybe you meant leech.

It basically comes down to who you feel is leeching from who. Money makes more money far more reliably than blood, sweat, brains or toil. Cutting taxes on the rich will only see them paying an even greater percentage of the national tax burden. I'm not one that thinks there is anything wrong with this, as it's their money, but it will lead to even more frenzied pleas for further tax cuts which is why it's a stupid point to make.

I don't find either the winner takes all scenario or the redistributive one particularly attractive. But we do have a choice to make; "trickle down" has had 30 years now and has resulted simply in "trickle up" (which is what common sense always suggested it would). Either we try to limit the power of wealth on the democratic process and attempt responsible government by cutting waste *and* raising revenue or we continue to let $1, one vote pre-empt one man, one vote. And end up with one dude and his buddies owning all the money again.

You remember what happened last time there was a King, right? Canada. No-one deserves that again.
 
2011-07-08 08:06:09 PM  

Void_Beavis: elchip: dj_bigbird: He's not spending government money, so he can do whatever the fark he wants.

Where do Congressmens' salaries come from, again?

Paul Ryan has only oh-so-briefly not held jobs that weren't funded by taxpayers.

Really? So where does everyone's money come from when government spending constitutes a major portion of GDP?

Try this lame argument somewhere else. I'm not defending Ryan here, but this is pretty lame.


Sorry, sir. it won't happen again.
 
2011-07-08 08:10:00 PM  
So they helped stimulate the local economy, employees, restaurant, and somewhere, a wine maker... and the woman is upset? Brilliant.
 
2011-07-08 08:11:00 PM  

obamadidcoke: sethstorm: BlankSlate: You know? I'm "living" on disabilty and $700 represents my 3 and a half month budget for FOOD!
Do you know why this line of reasoning is important? It's because so many lawmakers cannot relate to their constituents on some of the most basic levels.
Paul Ryan can certainly say that he wouldn't spend so much for a bottle of wine again but he cannot relate to the fact that his "bottle of wine" represents 6 weeks of groceries for many of us! Yeah, he can live without a bottle of wine but I need my tuna, veggies, milk, cheese...... to enable me to live.

THIS.

To counteract the derp-filled person that replied to you: There are plenty of disabilities that dont affect keyboard input, much less there being ways to type for the ones that do.

Thanks to climate businesses are in, they would rather find a legal way to do an illegal thing versus the correct one - with respect to work.

Still, if you can type you can work.


He could have a compromised immune system.

He could have depression so bad he often can't get out of bed. Almost been down that road myself, took a Herculanean amount of effort to get going.

He could have a disease that causes chronic fatigue. My sister has that, it's very pricey to treat.

I suffer from excessive daytime sleepiness, it got so bad that I literally could not avoid falling asleep at inappropriate times. Nuvigil helps a lot, but I'd never be able to afford it without insurance.
 
2011-07-08 08:13:50 PM  
I'm more offended that he was at Bistro Bis in the first place. Not because it's expensive, but because it sucks.
 
2011-07-08 08:21:33 PM  

Space_Poet: IStateTheObvious: Ok, I read the whole article. I will summarize for the tl;dr crowd.

Herp. Herpity derpity derp. Derp.

You're welcome.

Oh, c'mon, let's be original and come up with some new Republican derp words and not just steal ours. I vote for clop, quap, and dwad. C'mon Reps, there's a reason people say you're not original..


The word derp originated with South Park and had no political connotations to it. You obviously understand the definition, so I wont go into that, but dont accuse the other side of not being original when your side co-opted the word in the first place.

/not a Republican
 
2011-07-08 08:27:45 PM  
static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com


...just thought that lovely graphic needed reposting.

/and there's no way in hell I'd willingly pay more than $50 for a meal, including the wine
//unless the wife made me
///and that happens only rarely
 
2011-07-08 08:30:08 PM  
everythings cool ...just don't get in between Michele and the lobster....
 
2011-07-08 08:33:19 PM  
Now, truthfully, what worthless republican or democrat hasn't partaken of the sinful grape at the taxpayer's expense? Please, if you're going to pick on these worthless deadbeats, at least pick on them for their lack of problem solving skills, Otay?
 
2011-07-08 08:33:57 PM  

Aqua Buddha: ...just thought that lovely graphic needed reposting.


Um, you do know that whole thing was a complete fabrication? Such a transparent and obvious fabrication that even the New York Post had to retract its story (new window)?

Seriously, do Republicans have any criticism of the President that is actually factual?
 
2011-07-08 08:34:00 PM  
who gives a shiat?

and don't say it's ok because the republicans were doing it first, because once you agree to fight on their level they will beat you with experience.
 
2011-07-08 08:37:10 PM  

dameron: treesloth: So what's the point? The money becomes his once he's paid, and is no longer government money. .

Tell that to the Republicans who keep screaming about how public employees paying their union dues with their salary is an immoral conflict of interests.


Ok, done. And, checking back... yup, it's still his money.
 
2011-07-08 08:37:40 PM  

obamadidcoke: elchip: obamadidcoke: sethstorm: BlankSlate: You know? I'm "living" on disabilty and $700 represents my 3 and a half month budget for FOOD!
Do you know why this line of reasoning is important? It's because so many lawmakers cannot relate to their constituents on some of the most basic levels.
Paul Ryan can certainly say that he wouldn't spend so much for a bottle of wine again but he cannot relate to the fact that his "bottle of wine" represents 6 weeks of groceries for many of us! Yeah, he can live without a bottle of wine but I need my tuna, veggies, milk, cheese...... to enable me to live.

THIS.

To counteract the derp-filled person that replied to you: There are plenty of disabilities that dont affect keyboard input, much less there being ways to type for the ones that do.

Thanks to climate businesses are in, they would rather find a legal way to do an illegal thing versus the correct one - with respect to work.

Still, if you can type you can work.

He could have a compromised immune system.

He could have depression so bad he often can't get out of bed. Almost been down that road myself, took a Herculanean amount of effort to get going.

He could have a disease that causes chronic fatigue. My sister has that, it's very pricey to treat.

I suffer from excessive daytime sleepiness, it got so bad that I literally could not avoid falling asleep at inappropriate times. Nuvigil helps a lot, but I'd never be able to afford it without insurance.

Depressed and can't get out of bed?
What are you a 12 year old girl?


Don't know the difference between depression and teen angst? What are you a 12 year old boy?
 
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