doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 01:34:13 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 12:56:15 PM

nlscb: We won the cold war. Except for robotic space exploration, we don't need NASA anymore.

The only reason we had NASA was to distract everyone from our spy satellite program. Google Earth pretty much destroyed that justification.

1/10

At least you put some effort into it, unlike doubled99.



That's because I was serious. The invention of central air is 1000 times more benefit to humanity than anything NASA has ever accomplished. But don't stop me from letting you enjoy your Buck Rogers fantasies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were truly stupid. Let me farky you as such.

Typical NASA fanboy. Panties in a wad if anyone dares to question the waste of billions of dollars by your heroes. But it sure was a cool liftoff on that last space shuttle launch! Whoopeee!
What could you more easily do without for most of your life? AC or NASA?
You know the right answer.

Ah, moving the goal posts. Awesome work.

I notice you didn't respond at all to my follow-up. You're pretty damn pathetic.

NASA or NASSA
(warning -- contains the word Negro).

That's because pointlessly killing people half way across the people is more "important" than scientific exploration & advancement.

Of course!

It is very cold.... in spaaaacccce.

schattenteufel: That's because pointlessly killing people half way across the planet is more "important" than scientific exploration & advancement.

fixed it for me

Nightsweat 2011-07-05 01:51:37 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 01:34:13 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 12:56:15 PM

nlscb: We won the cold war. Except for robotic space exploration, we don't need NASA anymore.

The only reason we had NASA was to distract everyone from our spy satellite program. Google Earth pretty much destroyed that justification.

1/10

At least you put some effort into it, unlike doubled99.



That's because I was serious. The invention of central air is 1000 times more benefit to humanity than anything NASA has ever accomplished. But don't stop me from letting you enjoy your Buck Rogers fantasies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were truly stupid. Let me farky you as such.

Typical NASA fanboy. Panties in a wad if anyone dares to question the waste of billions of dollars by your heroes. But it sure was a cool liftoff on that last space shuttle launch! Whoopeee!
What could you more easily do without for most of your life? AC or NASA?
You know the right answer.

Satellites alone outweigh A/C.



Ridiculous.

Momzilla59: NASA or NASSA
(warning -- contains the word Negro).

(actually contains totally not safe for work language)

Sybarite: WTF is Nasa?

The Bahamas.

Hey I got an idea- hows about we keep the tax cuts and stop paying for BOTH things. Then lift the restrictions on space launches and let anybody that wants to figure out how to go ahead and do it affordably. There's bound to be a a way to turn all that mil-surp crap into a working orbital vehicle.

/A how-to just might hit Instructables.com in a decade or two

doubled99: Nightsweat 2011-07-05 01:51:37 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 01:34:13 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 12:56:15 PM

nlscb: We won the cold war. Except for robotic space exploration, we don't need NASA anymore.

The only reason we had NASA was to distract everyone from our spy satellite program. Google Earth pretty much destroyed that justification.

1/10

At least you put some effort into it, unlike doubled99.



That's because I was serious. The invention of central air is 1000 times more benefit to humanity than anything NASA has ever accomplished. But don't stop me from letting you enjoy your Buck Rogers fantasies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were truly stupid. Let me farky you as such.

Typical NASA fanboy. Panties in a wad if anyone dares to question the waste of billions of dollars by your heroes. But it sure was a cool liftoff on that last space shuttle launch! Whoopeee!
What could you more easily do without for most of your life? AC or NASA?
You know the right answer.

Satellites alone outweigh A/C.



Ridiculous.

OK, so no global communications, no accurate weather prediction, no GPS, nop TV distribution over satellite,

vs. feeling a little warm.

Remember, A/C is NOT refrigeration. Refrigeration predates A/C

It is a ridiculous comparison and you're on the losing end.

"Now it's important to note that wrapped up in Anderson's $20 billion figure are all kind of other expenditures - for instance, the cost of building and maintaining roads in Afghanistan, securing those roads, managing the security operations for those roads. That all costs a lot of money and is part of the overall war effort in Afghanistan."

If the choice is between cutting off NASA's horsing around in a shiny alloy can, or most of what the $20 billion is really for, I'd say we turn off the air conditioners LAST!

For all the money we piss away, roasting our military to "save money" isn't really a sensible option! If we can blow $278k EACH to "create or save" a job with no guaranteed future, we can provide people with a hospitable work environment when it is feasible, and THIS IS.

NASA would be able to fund itself if the profits from their patents went to NASA instead of general funding.

maxheck: We spend over $213 billion a year on professional sports, something of no lasting value whatsoever.

/ just sayin'

Not in tax money we don't.

Nightsweat 2011-07-05 03:56:43 PM

doubled99: Nightsweat 2011-07-05 01:51:37 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 01:34:13 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 12:56:15 PM

nlscb: We won the cold war. Except for robotic space exploration, we don't need NASA anymore.

The only reason we had NASA was to distract everyone from our spy satellite program. Google Earth pretty much destroyed that justification.

1/10

At least you put some effort into it, unlike doubled99.



That's because I was serious. The invention of central air is 1000 times more benefit to humanity than anything NASA has ever accomplished. But don't stop me from letting you enjoy your Buck Rogers fantasies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were truly stupid. Let me farky you as such.

Typical NASA fanboy. Panties in a wad if anyone dares to question the waste of billions of dollars by your heroes. But it sure was a cool liftoff on that last space shuttle launch! Whoopeee!
What could you more easily do without for most of your life? AC or NASA?
You know the right answer.

Satellites alone outweigh A/C.



Ridiculous.

OK, so no global communications, no accurate weather prediction, no GPS, nop TV distribution over satellite,

vs. feeling a little warm.

Remember, A/C is NOT refrigeration. Refrigeration predates A/C

It is a ridiculous comparison and you're on the losing end.


A) Had several types of long distance communication without satellites
B) There still isn't accurate weather prediction
C) People die every year in heat waves. No one dies because they don't have cable tv or GPS.

So, wrong on all counts.
Plus, your own handle backs me up. AC would fix that.
You lose.

Nightsweat: doubled99: Nightsweat 2011-07-05 01:51:37 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 01:34:13 PM

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 12:56:15 PM

nlscb: We won the cold war. Except for robotic space exploration, we don't need NASA anymore.

The only reason we had NASA was to distract everyone from our spy satellite program. Google Earth pretty much destroyed that justification.

1/10

At least you put some effort into it, unlike doubled99.



That's because I was serious. The invention of central air is 1000 times more benefit to humanity than anything NASA has ever accomplished. But don't stop me from letting you enjoy your Buck Rogers fantasies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were truly stupid. Let me farky you as such.

Typical NASA fanboy. Panties in a wad if anyone dares to question the waste of billions of dollars by your heroes. But it sure was a cool liftoff on that last space shuttle launch! Whoopeee!
What could you more easily do without for most of your life? AC or NASA?
You know the right answer.

Satellites alone outweigh A/C.



Ridiculous.

OK, so no global communications, no accurate weather prediction, no GPS, nop TV distribution over satellite,

vs. feeling a little warm.

Remember, A/C is NOT refrigeration. Refrigeration predates A/C

It is a ridiculous comparison and you're on the losing end.

And how many of those satellites require people to be in them to operate? Manned space flight was great for telling off the Soviets while distracting the left from the CIA and NSA's electronic spying programs, but it's simply expensive, useless, wasteful, and dangerous now.

If millionaires want to give the X-Prize guys their money, fine for them. But spending taxes on it is insane.

This astonishingly clever and modeslty price project:



has provided us with far more real science than this defense contractor white elephant:

If the locals can do without it, well yeah.

Converting them to the good way of life huh?

As somebody who can't stand the heat when it gets above 85 degrees, I can't complain about this statistic. You can never have enough AC.

/Sitting in it right now
//91 degrees outside
//no plans on going outside today

The Irresponsible Captain 2011-07-05 04:54:09 PM

Dear America,

You once asked if we had "The Right Stuff" and said "we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

Now you sit around with your thumb up your butt and hope some rich fark will build you a new space ship. You cry it's too expensive. You tell us sending people into space isn't important.

Well it is important. We've outgrown this planet. We need to keep moving, to keep growing. Otherwise we might as well die off so our ashes may inspire some future species to reach for the stars.

I don't know if were the only intelligent life out there, but I haven't seen anyone else, so I can only assume. If we sit here on our blue marble there may be no one left to mourn us when we're gone. Everything you work for becomes meaningless if we can't aspire to move, to grow, to reach out into the universe.

But it's easy to bicker amongst ourselves and die a slow death.



How about turning all that energy and research money into further exploring OUR OCEANS? You know, that stuff that covers 75% of our planet.
It's less far fetched to consider living under the ocean than finding a new planet to go to.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sybarite: WTF is Nasa?

An antiquated beaurocracy that was created mainly as part of a federal pissing contest with the soviets, that's long been surpassed by private industry.

Newt, is that you?

I_C_Weener: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Mordis: And I thank the various gods for that EVERY FREAKING DAY!

/this place is HOT!

Just a thought, but maybe we could save some on that by getting you guys the fark out of there ASAP

We could save more by combining NASA and the military. You don't need AC in space. And you can lob big rocks from space that explode just like nukes. Win win.

Link (new window) oh hai

JackieRabbit: FTFA: "Now it's important to note that wrapped up in Anderson's $20 billion figure are all kind of other expenditures - for instance, the cost of building and maintaining roads in Afghanistan, securing those roads, managing the security operations for those roads. That all costs a lot of money and is part of the overall war effort in Afghanistan."

In other words, Anderson is doing a rack and run. He's full of shiat.

For those who deride our troops having A/C: Do you have any idea of how freaking hot it gets there? How about we station you in the middle of nowhere in Arizona and tell you to "dry up, Nancy", when the daytime temperature hits 118.

Our troops shouldn't be there, but they are. They are at risk each and every day. The very least we can do is at least try to make them comfortable when they are in garrison.

I think the point is more "we are in a time where we continue to drastically overspend on EVERYTHING except science and education. We should spend more on science and education."

The problem is we all agree that SOMETHING should get cut, but no one agrees on what and how much.

Ever get in those arguments-but-not? Where everyone agrees but you still sound like youre arguing? Thats us.

nicsb

A) Had several types of long distance communication without satellites
B) There still isn't accurate weather prediction
C) People die every year in heat waves. No one dies because they don't have cable tv or GPS.

So, wrong on all counts.
Plus, your own handle backs me up. AC would fix that.
You lose.
Um, no.

A. Not reliably. Not to anywhere without running a cable. Yes, you could use radio, but you were at the mercy of atmospheric conditions and the limits of how much broadcast power you could put out. And the cables didn't have the bandwidth to handle modern video in the volumes we push it today.

B. Yes, there is. 100% accurate? No. A metric farkload better than it used to be? Yes.

C. Actually GPS is a lot more important than you think. Naval navigation, crop planting to increase yields. Oh, and this. Saves. Lives. Read that article carefully.

Yes, people die from lack of A/C but only because they're otherwise sick.

BAsically you're position was that A/C was more important than the entire space program and you can't even prove it's more important than one aspect of the program.

Looooooose.

God I love Military over/under funded debates

Nightsweat: nicsb

A) Had several types of long distance communication without satellites
B) There still isn't accurate weather prediction
C) People die every year in heat waves. No one dies because they don't have cable tv or GPS.

So, wrong on all counts.
Plus, your own handle backs me up. AC would fix that.
You lose.
Um, no.

A. Not reliably. Not to anywhere without running a cable. Yes, you could use radio, but you were at the mercy of atmospheric conditions and the limits of how much broadcast power you could put out. And the cables didn't have the bandwidth to handle modern video in the volumes we push it today.

B. Yes, there is. 100% accurate? No. A metric farkload better than it used to be? Yes.

C. Actually GPS is a lot more important than you think. Naval navigation, crop planting to increase yields. Oh, and this. Saves. Lives. Read that article carefully.

Yes, people die from lack of A/C but only because they're otherwise sick.

BAsically you're position was that A/C was more important than the entire space program and you can't even prove it's more important than one aspect of the program.

Looooooose.

No - since you acted intentionally obtuse to my original point I'll repeat for you - manned space flight is a giant waste of money. Even if you think it should not be spent on the military, it does not justify spending money on sending people into space on the taxpayer's dime.

But you're probably too busy being a fanboi to NASA to notice.

Defend their useless and wasteful jobs all you want, but they won't sleep w/you.

styckx: You could probably rewrite that article 20 different ways with different products.. The spin is pretty broad.

"Among The Costs Of War: Billions A Year In pocket combs.?"

Among The Costs Of War: Billions A Year In shoelaces.?

Among The Costs Of War: Billions A Year In Haircuts.?

We pay for our own haircuts, asshole.

Nightsweat 2011-07-05 05:15:06 PM

nicsb

A) Had several types of long distance communication without satellites
B) There still isn't accurate weather prediction
C) People die every year in heat waves. No one dies because they don't have cable tv or GPS.

So, wrong on all counts.
Plus, your own handle backs me up. AC would fix that.
You lose.
Um, no.

A. Not reliably. Not to anywhere without running a cable. Yes, you could use radio, but you were at the mercy of atmospheric conditions and the limits of how much broadcast power you could put out. And the cables didn't have the bandwidth to handle modern video in the volumes we push it today.

B. Yes, there is. 100% accurate? No. A metric farkload better than it used to be? Yes.

C. Actually GPS is a lot more important than you think. Naval navigation, crop planting to increase yields. Oh, and this. Saves. Lives. Read that article carefully.

Yes, people die from lack of A/C but only because they're otherwise sick.

BAsically you're position was that A/C was more important than the entire space program and you can't even prove it's more important than one aspect of the program.

Looooooose.



A) Ever heard of the telephone? You know, like Alexander Graham Bell? Worked pretty good even before satellites.

B) Wow. Mildly better weather predictions. Vitally important.
Farmers Almanac still as good a source as any.

C) Naval navigation? That is important. However did the Navy get around the globe before GPS technology? Ask for directions?
Oh yeah, and maybe you should consider the source of your bullshiat article.

D) because they were already sick? Weak, even for you. Just pulled it out of your ass.

Fact. heat kills people every year. Your examples are not life and death.
And even if AC isn't, just the improvement in quality of daily life by AC dwarfs the mild conveniences of your examples.

Dammitsofarkingmuch.

To all of the members of the armed services, these idiots do not represent liberals or the Democratic Party. They are trolls, and we hates them. Probably libertarians. I will agree that I want you guys all home, but having worked with many soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen, both NCOs and officers, I have never met a lazy member of the US military. I hate this attitude that the military is some sort of welfare program. This is separate from concerns I have about actual welfare programs.

I'm actually concerned about leaving Afghanistan. I'm not saying that I love paying for the war, but right now they're in an assload of trouble. Yes, much of it starts with Karzai, but he's a symptom of a larger problem.

I propose the following solution: let the Communists take over. In Korea it failed miserably, but in Vietnam it worked well (ignoring for the moment the immediate effect of the overrun of the south). Given our history with nation-building, I would say 1 for 2* isn't bad. I'm not a Communist by any means, but the numbers don't lie. The really freaky thing is that I'm not entirely sure I'm being sarcastic.

* You can't really count the Khmer Rouge and Cambodia. That place was farked and would have been farked regardless of whether or when we went in.

There's been a lot of slamination in this thread directed towards our troops. I just want to say not all of us feel that way.

I, for one, want to thank all of our soldiers. You're the ones who stand watch over us while we sleep, and I am grateful.

/I don't agree with the mission, but I respect the men and women who carry it out.
//Be safe, and come home soon.
///You are missed.
//Enjoy the AC... you've more than earned it.

doubled99: Nightsweat 2011-07-05 05:15:06 PM

nicsb

A) Had several types of long distance communication without satellites
B) There still isn't accurate weather prediction
C) People die every year in heat waves. No one dies because they don't have cable tv or GPS.

So, wrong on all counts.
Plus, your own handle backs me up. AC would fix that.
You lose.
Um, no.

A. Not reliably. Not to anywhere without running a cable. Yes, you could use radio, but you were at the mercy of atmospheric conditions and the limits of how much broadcast power you could put out. And the cables didn't have the bandwidth to handle modern video in the volumes we push it today.

B. Yes, there is. 100% accurate? No. A metric farkload better than it used to be? Yes.

C. Actually GPS is a lot more important than you think. Naval navigation, crop planting to increase yields. Oh, and this. Saves. Lives. Read that article carefully.

Yes, people die from lack of A/C but only because they're otherwise sick.

BAsically you're position was that A/C was more important than the entire space program and you can't even prove it's more important than one aspect of the program.

Looooooose.



A) Ever heard of the telephone? You know, like Alexander Graham Bell? Worked pretty good even before satellites.

B) Wow. Mildly better weather predictions. Vitally important.
Farmers Almanac still as good a source as any.

C) Naval navigation? That is important. However did the Navy get around the globe before GPS technology? Ask for directions?
Oh yeah, and maybe you should consider the source of your bullshiat article.

D) because they were already sick? Weak, even for you. Just pulled it out of your ass.

Fact. heat kills people every year. Your examples are not life and death.
And even if AC isn't, just the improvement in quality of daily life by AC dwarfs the mild conveniences of your examples.

Wow, what the hell - are you the Maytag repairman or what? I've never quite seen anyone quite so passionate about what air conditioning has done for the advancement of human beings. Hey, it's a modern convenience and nothing more. So it saves a few people from heat related deaths. I think satellites have saved a few people here and there as well.

Sorry but i think Nightsweat is right. Not to mention you both have become distracted from your original argument and have become fixated on one example. I might remind Nightsweat to just bring up some more examples besides satellites if he's not going to budge on this particular example. There are many, many other things besides satellites.

chetbango: doing even the easiest of soldering in 110 degree weather with 50 pounds of gear, Kevlar and full battle dress would result in AC being worth its cost

Damn, when I solder I usually do it indoors, in a T-shirt and pants, with no gear, no Kevlar, and no battle dress. I didn't realize that electricians had it so rough in the army.

jagec: chetbango: doing even the easiest of soldering in 110 degree weather with 50 pounds of gear, Kevlar and full battle dress would result in AC being worth its cost

Damn, when I solder I usually do it indoors, in a T-shirt and pants, with no gear, no Kevlar, and no battle dress. I didn't realize that electricians had it so rough in the army.

Haha, i saw that joke too. I knew someone would get to posting it.

moothemagiccow: chetbango: Apparently you must work at a desk and spend your off-hours in your mom's basement trying to keep the Cheetoh stains off your underwear while masturbating. Otherwise you might know that doing even the easiest of soldering in 110 degree weather with 50 pounds of gear, Kevlar and full battle dress would result in AC being worth its cost its the ability to keep troops effective. Heat injury/illness is a real problem when fighting in the hottest areas of the planet. It isn't like you wanting to turn on AC when it gets above 78 degrees and your man-boobs start staining your dragon con T-shirt.

Most people in the military work at a desk, hence the air conditioning. Also, way to use every internet insult in one post. Bravo.

What military have you been looking at? Here in Tallil, Iraq, there are not too many desk jockeys as far as I see. Hell, it is pretty bad when I am in tactical pants and a polo and can sweat just STANDING outside. I'd hate to be in full gear like some of these poor bastards.

Let the sand people live in sand. We don't have enough reason to kill them (or we would have, in an actual war against an actual military, especially theirs, we'd win), no sense in forcing our troops to live in hell, much less all the damn money we piss away on making them do it.

moothemagiccow: beowulf980: God I love Military over/under funded debates

People think the military is underfunded? Maybe if its goal were actually world domination

In terms of what they get done you could argue enough money isn't being spent right, it's an issue of efficiency though not raw dollar amounts. Our military isn't that great at being cost effective.
/Hey, you can build X for us? GREAT! We'll pay you 5000% what a private company would pay and we'll refuse to accept further bids!

RexTalionis: Sybarite: WTF is Nasa?

Something that the submitter thinks is a proper noun rather than an acronym, apparently.

Technically it's both.

Because it's an acronym, every letter should be capitalized. But it is also the commonly-used name for that agency, and ergo a noun.

/I'd err with NASA instead of Nasa, but technically the second spelling is also correct.
//Wow. I am a geek.

PsiChick: RexTalionis: Sybarite: WTF is Nasa?

Something that the submitter thinks is a proper noun rather than an acronym, apparently.

Technically it's both.

Because it's an acronym, every letter should be capitalized. But it is also the commonly-used name for that agency, and ergo a noun.

/I'd err with NASA instead of Nasa, but technically the second spelling is also correct.
//Wow. I am a geek.

Well played PsiChick
I love it when the grammar nazi gets out grammar-nazied.

/feel free to correct.

This just shows how bad "defense contractors" are allowed to rip off the tax payers. Good thing they can't give as much money as they want to sway political elections or this would happen everyday...oh wait.

doubled99: Carousel Beast 2011-07-05 12:56:15 PM

nlscb: We won the cold war. Except for robotic space exploration, we don't need NASA anymore.

The only reason we had NASA was to distract everyone from our spy satellite program. Google Earth pretty much destroyed that justification.

1/10

At least you put some effort into it, unlike doubled99.



That's because I was serious. The invention of central air is 1000 times more benefit to humanity than anything NASA has ever accomplished. But don't stop me from letting you enjoy your Buck Rogers fantasies.

Seems to me that the improved water filter technology developed by NASA is infinitely more beneficial to humanity than air conditioning. You see, people can live a hell of a lot easier with hot air than they can live without safe drinking water.

nlscb: Nightsweat: nicsb

A) Had several types of long distance communication without satellites
B) There still isn't accurate weather prediction
C) People die every year in heat waves. No one dies because they don't have cable tv or GPS.

So, wrong on all counts.
Plus, your own handle backs me up. AC would fix that.
You lose.
Um, no.

A. Not reliably. Not to anywhere without running a cable. Yes, you could use radio, but you were at the mercy of atmospheric conditions and the limits of how much broadcast power you could put out. And the cables didn't have the bandwidth to handle modern video in the volumes we push it today.

B. Yes, there is. 100% accurate? No. A metric farkload better than it used to be? Yes.

C. Actually GPS is a lot more important than you think. Naval navigation, crop planting to increase yields. Oh, and this. Saves. Lives. Read that article carefully.

Yes, people die from lack of A/C but only because they're otherwise sick.

BAsically you're position was that A/C was more important than the entire space program and you can't even prove it's more important than one aspect of the program.

Looooooose.

No - since you acted intentionally obtuse to my original point I'll repeat for you - manned space flight is a giant waste of money. Even if you think it should not be spent on the military, it does not justify spending money on sending people into space on the taxpayer's dime.

But you're probably too busy being a fanboi to NASA to notice.

Defend their useless and wasteful jobs all you want, but they won't sleep w/you.

[www.mediawatch.com image 492x400]

If you were alive 519 years ago I bet you would be saying, "Sailing out of sight of shore is waste of money." Am I right?

MyIQdoubled=99: Fact. heat kills people every year. Your examples are not life and death.
And even if AC isn't, just the improvement in quality of daily life by AC dwarfs the mild conveniences of your examples.

Fixed your handle you raving moron. You're so farking thick you should participate in studies about how people can live with large areas of their brains missing.

Here's a few more for your rodent-sized brain to dismiss without understanding:
# Advancement of computerized study. Microprocessors is a stand-out here.
# Better predictions of Earth's weather patterns (very important-storm notice for shipping being a big one here, and that's random off the top of my head - you know, the bit that's probably concave on you)
# Light weight, high strength, plastic piping.
# Small, microwave proof, rechargeable, electric heart pacemaker. This will have saved more lives than A/C.
# Long shelf life, high nutrition foods. Again, the hygiene implications alone mean this has been better for all than A/C.
# Pollution Control: Advanced, low cost, water purification. Saved more lives than A/C.
# New improved fireproof materials. Saved more lives than A/C.

Is it difficult being as stupid as you blatantly are? Or are you unaware and simply think that you're on a different level (true) and the rest of us are below that level (utterly false as has been proven)?

nlscb: Nightsweat: nicsb

A) Had several types of long distance communication without satellites
B) There still isn't accurate weather prediction
C) People die every year in heat waves. No one dies because they don't have cable tv or GPS.

So, wrong on all counts.
Plus, your own handle backs me up. AC would fix that.
You lose.
Um, no.

A. Not reliably. Not to anywhere without running a cable. Yes, you could use radio, but you were at the mercy of atmospheric conditions and the limits of how much broadcast power you could put out. And the cables didn't have the bandwidth to handle modern video in the volumes we push it today.

B. Yes, there is. 100% accurate? No. A metric farkload better than it used to be? Yes.

C. Actually GPS is a lot more important than you think. Naval navigation, crop planting to increase yields. Oh, and this. Saves. Lives. Read that article carefully.

Yes, people die from lack of A/C but only because they're otherwise sick.

BAsically you're position was that A/C was more important than the entire space program and you can't even prove it's more important than one aspect of the program.

Looooooose.

No - since you acted intentionally obtuse to my original point I'll repeat for you - manned space flight is a giant waste of money. Even if you think it should not be spent on the military, it does not justify spending money on sending people into space on the taxpayer's dime.

But you're probably too busy being a fanboi to NASA to notice.

Defend their useless and wasteful jobs all you want, but they won't sleep w/you.

[www.mediawatch.com image 492x400]

Moved the goalposts, eh? First it was NASA, now it's just manned spaceflight. Lose lose lose.

Namahs: 4) US troops, especially officers, are given all sorts of nice, but fairly impractical luxuries in war.

What luxuries are you referring to? I'd like to know what I'm supposed to have but I'm missing out on. I eat shiatty food, poorly prepared, off of plastic plates, with bent flat wear. I have to wait 4 days for my laundry to get returned, and sometimes it doesn't even get washed, and I'm not sure they ever use detergent. Independence Day was my first day off work in over 3 weeks. My housing is identical to an E-4's. I'm not seeing the regimental china, officers mess, or whiskey ration that you may be imagining.

Nightsweat: OK, so no global communications, no accurate weather prediction, no GPS, nop TV distribution over satellite,

vs. feeling a little warm.

Remember, A/C is NOT refrigeration. Refrigeration predates A/C

It is a ridiculous comparison and you're on the losing end.

Global communications, GPS, weather prediction, and TV all also predate satellite. Besides, the units in use in Afghanistan are not just A/Cs. They're modern Environmental Control Units that do heating, cooling, and dehumidification.

Yoyo: Namahs: 4) US troops, especially officers, are given all sorts of nice, but fairly impractical luxuries in war.

What luxuries are you referring to? I'd like to know what I'm supposed to have but I'm missing out on. I eat shiatty food, poorly prepared, off of plastic plates, with bent flat wear. I have to wait 4 days for my laundry to get returned, and sometimes it doesn't even get washed, and I'm not sure they ever use detergent. Independence Day was my first day off work in over 3 weeks. My housing is identical to an E-4's. I'm not seeing the regimental china, officers mess, or whiskey ration that you may be imagining.

Should have joined the Coast Guard!

:-D

JackieRabbit: For those who deride our troops having A/C: Do you have any idea of how freaking hot it gets there? How about we station you in the middle of nowhere in Arizona and tell you to "dry up, Nancy", when the daytime temperature hits 118.

Our troops shouldn't be there, but they are. They are at risk each and every day. The very least we can do is at least try to make them comfortable when they are in garrison.

AC is a luxury. The people who live in Afghanistan seem to do just fine without air conditioning and Pizza Hut. This article is stupid (guy is making up numbers to sell "green" products to military), but the troops can deal with sitting in the shade. Here in Arizona, we put prisoners in tents in the desert heat. They get bags of ice to sit on in the summer. I live in AZ and used to bike 9 miles to and from work in the summer heat. Professional bad-asses in the military can handle it if I can.