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(Washington Times)   Author argues Hollywood is out to destroy middle America with TV shows like "All in the Family" and "Friends"   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 99
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2011-07-05 01:10:23 AM
Seriously?

I mean, if you look back at All in the Family now, you see that Meathead was really the flipside of the same shiatty coin as Archie.

Sure, at first glance, Mike is the tolerant liberal. But, watch how he reacts when someone doesn't agree with his views... he's as intolerant as Archie toward people who don't agree with what Mike thinks.

And on top of that, over the course of the series, and through Archie Bunker's Place, Archie did evolve and change until he was no longer quite the bigot he started out to be. But Mike... he was the same drum beating mouthpiece from day one to the end.

If you want to put that in modern political terms, Archie was more akin to a liberal by being able to have his views and ideas grow, evolve, and change over time, while Mike was a conservative and kept spewing the same tired talking points long after they stopped being relevant or making sense.

Oh, and Mr. writer would probably shiat himself if he realized that AITF was set in 1970s New York, and had little to nothing to do with Middle America.
 
2011-07-05 04:37:47 AM
Now you kids with your loud music and your Dan Fogelberg, your Zima, hula hoops and Pac-Man video games...
 
2011-07-05 05:08:53 AM
Hippies everywhere!
 
2011-07-05 05:26:29 AM
How do people like this even manage to get out of, or from under, their beds?
 
2011-07-05 05:33:04 AM

FirstNationalBastard: But Mike... he was the same drum beating mouthpiece from day one to the end.


Didn't Mike eventually run off with another woman and leave Gloria?
 
2011-07-05 05:36:33 AM

Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: But Mike... he was the same drum beating mouthpiece from day one to the end.

Didn't Mike eventually run off with another woman and leave Gloria?


Nah. He ran off to a commune.

Of course, that was only mentioned in the horrible Gloria spin-off, so whether it's actually canon is debatable.

/glad there's a little TV talk before the DERP begins.
 
2011-07-05 05:45:39 AM

FirstNationalBastard: He ran off to a commune.


Ha, so he ditched his family (they had a kid I remember) to be a stereotypical hippie. Why yes, what leftist propaganda!
 
2011-07-05 05:49:02 AM

Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: He ran off to a commune.

Ha, so he ditched his family (they had a kid I remember) to be a stereotypical hippie. Why yes, what leftist propaganda!


While Archie took care of his wife's niece long after Edith had died.
 
2011-07-05 07:12:36 AM
I presume that this guy fought in Vietnam, because if he didn't, he's yet another hypocritical chickenhawk who thinks it's great to send people to fight and die in stupid pointless unwinnable wars unless it's him, in which case he has other priorities, like "fighting" and "winning" a culture "war" that doesn't involve any physical danger to him.

Only an ideologlical zealot could watch a show like "All in the Family" and fail to recognize that there's a genuine cultural dialogue going on there. But this guy's idea of a "dialogue" is the right repeating:

Support the Troops!
Keep America Safe!
Remember the Heroes!
Freedom Isn't Free!
Father Knows Best!
Taxes Are Socialism!
Government Is Bad!
Obama Is Terrorist!

Sigh. That's what I get for clicking on a Washington Times link. Might as well be WND.
 
2011-07-05 07:17:07 AM
Oooh better watch out. The Liberals are everywhere, and they're coming to get you.

Oooga-Booga!
 
2011-07-05 07:20:08 AM
That guy is going to have an aneurysm when he sees ABC's new shows for the Fall:

Honey I'm Homosexual: After 20 years of marriage and three children, a marketing account executive in his 40s comes out of the closet. His boyfriend moves into the spare bedroom of the family home leading to all kinds of mixups with friends, family, and visitors. Hilarity ensues.

"Extreme Makeover: Homo Edition": "Queer Eye" meets "Extreme Makeover" with fabulous results.

"Sex In the City": Four friends in NYC lead a stereotypically promiscuous urban gay male lifestyle while trying on expensive women's clothes and shoes. Nobody complains that this is corrupting American children because they are heterosexual women.
 
2011-07-05 07:20:10 AM
I love articles like this. They're basically saying that their ideology and beliefs are so damn weak they can be destroyed by shiatty TV shows.
 
2011-07-05 07:27:17 AM
How old is this article 30 years?
 
2011-07-05 07:28:23 AM

Aarontology: I love articles like this. They're basically saying that their ideology and beliefs are so damn weak they can be destroyed by shiatty TV shows.


It's almost as if their beliefs have no weight in reality.
 
2011-07-05 07:31:55 AM
More nonsense from that little snotnosed shiat Ben Shapiro.
 
2011-07-05 07:33:02 AM
"They also are liberal ideologues pushing a radical agenda - abortion, homosexuality, higher taxes, big government, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, promiscuity, racial quotas, feminism, pacifism and secularism."

Or what I call Friday night.
 
2011-07-05 07:36:45 AM
"They also are liberal ideologues pushing a radical agenda - abortion, homosexuality, higher taxes, big government, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, promiscuity, racial quotas, feminism, pacifism and secularism."

Because God knows gays, unwanted or out-of-wedlock pregnancies, the concept of peace, and women don't exist in middle America!
 
2011-07-05 07:44:11 AM
Far as I can tell, the only people out to destroy "Middle America" (and all the rest of it as well) are the Republicans and their owners.

/of course, I don't live there so what do I know
 
2011-07-05 07:44:54 AM
I think middle America was murdered when Saturday morning cartoons were allowed to die.
 
2011-07-05 07:46:48 AM
"They also are liberal ideologues pushing a radical agenda - abortion, homosexuality, higher taxes, big government, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, promiscuity, racial quotas, feminism, pacifism and secularism."


You have absolutely no idea what a political radical is, dipshiat.
 
2011-07-05 07:47:06 AM

Aarontology: I love articles like this. They're basically saying that their ideology and beliefs are so damn weak they can be destroyed by shiatty TV shows.


So much this!
 
2011-07-05 07:47:55 AM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: It's almost as if their beliefs have no weight in reality.


My favorite was the "Yeah, we can just stop watching it, but we have to destroy Hollywood instead" ending.
 
2011-07-05 07:50:36 AM
FTA: Conservatives are blacklisted. The few who manage to find work must keep their views secret. McCarthyism lives on.

The stupid, it burns!
 
2011-07-05 07:51:57 AM
"pacifism"?

Really?

..."pacifism"?

Because first, I didn't know that was one of the right's dirty words these days, and second, I remember a whole lot of chickenhawk Democrats jumping on that WMDs/Saddam Bad Man/Whatever Excuse bandwagon, and a whole lot of them voting for any extra $30 billion spending bill that came along, so long as it had "USA! USA! Support the Troops!" plastered on it.

I also remember that we still have 250,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. If the Democratic Party is pacifist, I shudder to think where we'll be if they become this guy's idea of warmongering.
 
2011-07-05 07:58:21 AM
Growing up in the 70's, we had a crow named Meat head.
 
2011-07-05 08:02:55 AM
Will these dipshiat conservatives finally realize that the capitalists they love so much have absolutely no desire to make shows that pander to their imaginary friend Jesus?
 
2011-07-05 08:04:25 AM

Kibbler: "pacifism"?

Really?

..."pacifism"?

Because first, I didn't know that was one of the right's dirty words these days, and second, I remember a whole lot of chickenhawk Democrats jumping on that WMDs/Saddam Bad Man/Whatever Excuse bandwagon, and a whole lot of them voting for any extra $30 billion spending bill that came along, so long as it had "USA! USA! Support the Troops!" plastered on it.

I also remember that we still have 250,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. If the Democratic Party is pacifist, I shudder to think where we'll be if they become this guy's idea of warmongering.


Well, pacifism is a lot like "empathy", and we all know that being empathetic leads to Nazism.

/gospel according to Beck
 
2011-07-05 08:05:21 AM
Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Will these dipshiat conservatives finally realize that the capitalists they love so much have absolutely no desire to make shows that pander to their imaginary friend Jesus?

Worse, Jesus' ideas about society were the opposite of what they think they were.
 
2011-07-05 08:05:26 AM
Author argues without a sense of irony in a "newspaper" wholly owned by a cult that Hollywood is out to destroy middle America...

FTFS
 
2011-07-05 08:08:21 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Seriously?

I mean, if you look back at All in the Family now, you see that Meathead was really the flipside of the same shiatty coin as Archie.

Sure, at first glance, Mike is the tolerant liberal. But, watch how he reacts when someone doesn't agree with his views... he's as intolerant as Archie toward people who don't agree with what Mike thinks.

And on top of that, over the course of the series, and through Archie Bunker's Place, Archie did evolve and change until he was no longer quite the bigot he started out to be. But Mike... he was the same drum beating mouthpiece from day one to the end.


Yeah, in many ways Mike was more bigoted than Archie, not necessarily just towards people who didn't agree with him. There were several episodes focusing on it. For instance, he didn't think that women and black people and other minorities had any chance of actually advancing themselves, thus requiring white men like himself to advance them for them. Archie always seemed more ignorant than outright KKK level racist. He bought into stereotypes and didn't question them much, like he was raised with him and just spouted out what he was raised with, and supported the traditional status quo, but never seemed like the type to do more than complain and say something stupid and eventually accept whatever came along, perhaps because he had some firm belief that people earned whatever they got and were entitled to what they've earned.

Mike was knocked down a few pegs and changed as well over the course of the show though.
 
2011-07-05 08:12:12 AM

WhyteRaven74: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Will these dipshiat conservatives finally realize that the capitalists they love so much have absolutely no desire to make shows that pander to their imaginary friend Jesus?

Worse, Jesus' ideas about society were the opposite of what they think they were.


They don't read the Bible, so there's that explanation taken care of.
 
2011-07-05 08:13:11 AM
FTA:
"Unlike many on the right, he is a rare breed: a staunch social conservative who understands the importance of fighting - and winning - the culture war."

Doesn't seem so rare to me.
 
2011-07-05 08:13:45 AM
When I want to say something really, really racist, I use my Archie Bunker accent.

/calls my cat Meathead sometimes.
 
2011-07-05 08:15:18 AM

Bhruic: FTA: Conservatives are blacklisted. The few who manage to find work must keep their views secret. McCarthyism lives on.

The stupid, it burns!


But you see, that's why Jerry Bruckheimer can't get anything greenlit, Clint Eastwood has been out of work for decades, John Milius is homeless, and Kelsey Grammar has never gotten a decent paycheck.

Oh, sorry. Forgot that reality is the exact opposite of TFA.

Conservatives get work based on whether anyone wants to see it and if anyone can make money off it. Nothing more.
 
2011-07-05 08:16:41 AM

Kibbler: I presume that this guy fought in Vietnam, because if he didn't, he's yet another hypocritical chickenhawk who thinks it's great to send people to fight and die in stupid pointless unwinnable wars unless it's him, in which case he has other priorities, like "fighting" and "winning" a culture "war" that doesn't involve any physical danger to him.


The guy was born in 1984. I don't think he quite made it to Vietnam.
 
2011-07-05 08:17:52 AM

LrdPhoenix:
Yeah, in many ways Mike was more bigoted than Archie, not necessarily just towards people who didn't agree with him. There were several episodes focusing on it. For instance, he didn't think that women and black people and other minorities had any chance of actually advancing themselves, thus requiring white men like himself to advance them for them. Archie always seemed more ignorant than outright KKK level racist. He bought into stereotypes and didn't question them much, like he was raised with him and just spouted out what he was raised with, and supported the traditional status quo, but never seemed like the type to do more than complain and say something stupid and eventually accept whatever came along, perhaps because he had some firm belief that people earned whatever they got and were entitled to what they've earned.


Yeah, cause if there was one thing Archie Bunker was concerned about, it was that the black man be given the chance to compete fairly.

What planet did you watch All In the Family on, anyhow?
 
2011-07-05 08:20:25 AM

RexTalionis: FTA:
"Unlike many on the right, he is a rare breed: a staunch social conservative who understands the importance of fighting - and winning - the culture war."

Doesn't seem so rare to me.


Don't argue with him. It's part of their carefully constructed fantasy world where each and every one of them is the sole defender of freedom. If it wasn't for them, nobody would be out there ringing those bells and making sure to send those warning shots and bells that we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free.
 
2011-07-05 08:25:07 AM
Oh, look. Ben Shapiro, a kid who has about as much place to talk about "culture wars" as the people on MTV he's whining about, has a new book out and he has to fill his quota of stupid to get cowardly and ignorant old people and middle-America fatheads to waddle out and buy it. And Fark just gave the moron a free full page ad.

That's nice.

/ Shapiro is a perfect example of what happens to a smart person who grows up surrounded by imbeciles
 
2011-07-05 08:26:43 AM
RexTalionis: The guy was born in 1984. I don't think he quite made it to Vietnam.

Well then, he should visit his nearest recruiter.
 
2011-07-05 08:27:00 AM

Splinshints: Oh, look. Ben Shapiro, a kid who has about as much place to talk about "culture wars" as the people on MTV he's whining about, has a new book out and he has to fill his quota of stupid to get cowardly and ignorant old people and middle-America fatheads to waddle out and buy it. And Fark just gave the moron a free full page ad.

That's nice.

/ Shapiro is a perfect example of what happens to a smart person who grows up surrounded by imbeciles


As an intelligent man who grew up around imbeciles and hating every second of it, I resent that, sir!
 
2011-07-05 08:31:24 AM
What bothers me more than anything about that article - and there are quite a few things to choose from - is this line:

What he shows - beyond a doubt - is that traditionalists have ceded the culture to their sworn liberal enemies.

The idea that fellow countrymen who happen to have different beliefs and/or viewpoints than you are somehow the "sworn enemy" is just absolutely idiotic. And also scary. Because you don't co-exist peacefully with your enemy, you fight them. How do people with that viewpoint - on either side - expect to get anything done when instead of trying to solve problems, you are too busy fighting over whose solution to use?
 
2011-07-05 08:32:57 AM
"The message is often the same: Adolescents know more than their fathers and mothers."

Ok dad how does the computer work?
 
2011-07-05 08:35:05 AM
Rhere is not a cop show out there that promotes pacifism. NCIS Criminal Minds, Law and Order, they often promote the idea that if the bad guy gets shot in the last few minutes, then justice has been served. Why hassle the courts when the guy carves up and eats the women? Just a bunch of red tape to put a guy in the chair so the bullet is faster.
Mind you that isn;t always the case but 9 times out of 10.
Man this is depressing so I think I'll go back to Hitler farking a donkey.
 
2011-07-05 08:35:24 AM
Splinshints: , a kid who has about as much place to talk about "culture wars"

And he'd run at light speed away from anyone who offered to debate him or even actually engage him. Poor sack couldn't take finding out that premarital sex was pretty damn normal during the Colonial days, and getting pregnant before being married wasn't necessarily a big deal either. In Massachusetts the guy just had to marry the girl before she gave birth and all was right in the world. Not only was the child legitimate but also, there were negative repercussions for the guy or girl. Other colonies were equally accommodating, even more accommodating.
 
2011-07-05 08:36:34 AM
WhyteRaven74: there were no negative repercussions for the guy or girl. Other colonies were equally accommodating, even more accommodating.

FTFM
 
2011-07-05 08:37:20 AM

WhyteRaven74: WhyteRaven74: there were no negative repercussions for the guy or girl. Other colonies were equally accommodating, even more accommodating.

FTFM


Ah, preview. It's annoying to use, but when you find an error in the sentence, you kick yourself for not using it.
 
2011-07-05 08:37:46 AM
RexTalionis: Ah, preview. It's annoying to use, but when you find an error in the sentence, you kick yourself for not using it.

Indeed.
 
2011-07-05 08:47:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS5bxk89gQg
 
2011-07-05 08:51:42 AM
"The message is often the same: Adolescents know more than their fathers and mothers."

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Aristophanes would be so happy to hear some are still taking up his side. Strepsiades is alive and in the flesh.
 
2011-07-05 08:54:11 AM
The character of Archie Bunker symbolized the progressive caricature of conservatives - ignorant, racist and xenophobic.

Sorry, but that was hardly a caricature - it was where a lot of people from "Archie's" generation were in regard to equal rights, foreigners, etc. Does Shapiro (who was born 20+ years removed from that era) think that there was no resistance to integrated neighborhoods, that the civil rights movement was cheered on by all and that women weren't routinely denied employment and other opportunities merely because of their gender?

So he was born in 1984 was he? That is very appropriate, because apparently he starts out with the very premise: Ignorance is Strength.

Ask some of us who actually lived during that era and we can tell you that "Hollywood" didn't invent Archie Bunker - he was a pretty strong reflection of the time. The other thing is, Archie wasn't a "caricature" of any sort - he was a fairly complex character with a lot of good in him - a hard working guy who sacrificed a lot in his life, from fighting for his country in WWII to raising a daughter who he absolutely doted on. He had his faults, but he also had the ability to live and learn and eventually changed his positions on lots of things. In short, my own step-dad could have been modeled on Archie Bunker with great accuracy. (A product of his time and geography, he eventually ended up denouncing racism and was far more "liberal" at his death than one would have ever predicted.)

Besides, the other Shapiro and this article ignores completely - for every "liberal" producer/actor who determines part of what goes on in front of a camera - there is a TV Network Exec or studio chief who has even more say and they tend to be very Republican.
 
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