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(BBC)   The missing child whose phone you have hacked has 3 new messages. Press 1 to hear new messages, press 3 to delete messages and impede a murder investigation, or press 5 to traumatize the dead child's family   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 54
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2011-07-04 04:29:57 PM
Sick tag's whereabouts unknown.
 
2011-07-04 04:30:23 PM
i741.photobucket.com
 
2011-07-04 04:31:35 PM
Voicemail messages and SMS messages are cached by the carrier for a period of time to aid in law enforcement investigations. The messages are just not in the handset.

/dnrtfa
 
2011-07-04 04:33:33 PM

lohphat: Voicemail messages and SMS messages are cached by the carrier for a period of time to aid in law enforcement investigations. The messages are just not in the handset.

/dnrtfa


Then read it.
 
2011-07-04 04:33:50 PM
Hacking is bad, m'kay? That said, pardon me if I have less sympathy for the celebs than I do for the parents of a murdered child.
 
2011-07-04 04:36:34 PM
Why am I not surprised the man ultimately responsible is found to be Rupert Murdoch?
 
2011-07-04 04:38:17 PM
Truly f*cking vile.
 
2011-07-04 04:39:28 PM

lohphat: Voicemail messages and SMS messages are cached by the carrier for a period of time to aid in law enforcement investigations. The messages are just not in the handset.

/dnrtfa


As a former phone tech who worked with the VM systems for a major carrier, I will tell you flat out VMs are gone, man. Once the user deletes them the pool store will quickly reclaim that (see hours) so yeah, you're full of shiat.

Text messages, on the other hand, yeah those can be stored anywhere between 5 days and 5 months.
 
2011-07-04 04:40:48 PM
Newsgathering is dirty work. BFD.
 
2011-07-04 04:41:44 PM
It's all f**ked up. I'm disgusted by the whole thing. Awful story and the greenlighting mod doesn't know a good headline from his or her arse
 
2011-07-04 04:41:55 PM

lohphat: Voicemail messages and SMS messages are cached by the carrier for a period of time to aid in law enforcement investigations. The messages are just not in the handset.


The deleting of the messages lead the family to believe that in fact the girl was still alive, they thought she has retrieved the messages and then deleted them, making room for more messages.
 
2011-07-04 04:45:57 PM
FTA: His solicitor Alex Tribick told the BBC that police had advised Mr Stagg that his name had appeared in documentation associated with the police investigation.


Suck it Tribick!
 
2011-07-04 04:46:07 PM
Well in all fairness they deleted the voicemails because the box was full, and they wanted to spy on more of them. They didn't intend to prank the parents or anything. I don't condone of breaking into the account, but blaming them for giving false hope is just stupid.
 
2011-07-04 04:46:40 PM
*presses #5, #5, #5,#5, #5, #5,#5, #5, #5,#5, #5, #5,#5, #5, #5,#5, #5, #5,#5, #5, #5,#5, #5, #5, etc."
 
2011-07-04 04:51:25 PM

unfair: Well in all fairness they deleted the voicemails because the box was full, and they wanted to spy on more of them. They didn't intend to prank the parents or anything. I don't condone of breaking into the account, but blaming them for giving false hope is just stupid.


That's not the point, and you should feel horrible for thinking that it's ok for a news organization to delete what could be evidence of a crime because they wanted a story. It wasn't about pranking the parents I know we understand that, it was about being little slivish dickball yellow press douchebaggers.
 
2011-07-04 04:57:02 PM
This family sounds ripe for trolling. Anyone got the dox?
 
2011-07-04 05:03:15 PM
And the newspaper editor at the heart of this - Rebakah Brooks - is now Rupert Murdoch's right-hand woman in his UK operations. Wonder how long she can go on claiming she knew nothing?
 
2011-07-04 05:11:13 PM

unfair: Well in all fairness they deleted the voicemails because the box was full, and they wanted to spy on more of them.


The mindset required to formulate this sentence baffles and dismays me.
 
2011-07-04 05:13:20 PM
img405.imageshack.us
 
2011-07-04 05:15:11 PM
I wonder how much money is being waved at NotW staff to keep them from flipping on the higher-ups.
 
2011-07-04 05:18:32 PM

Scaryduck: And the newspaper editor at the heart of this - Rebakah Brooks - is now Rupert Murdoch's right-hand woman in his UK operations. Wonder how long she can go on claiming she knew nothing?


For those of you younger than me, I offer this Google search(^). At what point is a supervisor responsible for the behavior of subordinates? Maybe when the subordinates routinely break the law?
 
2011-07-04 05:36:34 PM

unfair: Well in all fairness they deleted the voicemails because the box was full, and they wanted to spy on more of them. They didn't intend to prank the parents or anything. I don't condone of breaking into the account, but blaming them for giving false hope is just stupid.


Kinda this yeah. Not to minimize the hacking at all (hell yeah there's no excuse for it), but there's been other cases where the murderer sent mail to the registered number of "Mom" on a dead kid's phone with a pic of the dead kid obviously dead, which I would argue is WAY worse (and what I thought this was going to be).
 
2011-07-04 05:38:32 PM
I've been wavering over the idea of cancelling Sky for a month or two, but this has finally made the decision. Any organisation that is prepared to do such a thing won't be getting any money from me.
 
2011-07-04 05:41:18 PM

unfair: Well in all fairness they deleted the voicemails because the box was full, and they wanted to spy on more of them. They didn't intend to prank the parents or anything. I don't condone of breaking into the account, but blaming them for giving false hope is just stupid.


dobrochan.org
 
2011-07-04 05:44:39 PM

Scaryduck: And the newspaper editor at the heart of this - Rebakah Brooks - is now Rupert Murdoch's right-hand woman in his UK operations. Wonder how long she can go on claiming she knew nothing?


This sickest thing about Murdoch is that the policies he fights against in the US and Europe are the policies he champions in his home country of Australia. Sometimes I wonder if he's just trying to weaken other countries in the bizarre hope it strengthens Australia.
 
2011-07-04 05:44:47 PM

itazurakko: Kinda this yeah. Not to minimize the hacking at all (hell yeah there's no excuse for it), but there's been other cases where the murderer sent mail to the registered number of "Mom" on a dead kid's phone with a pic of the dead kid obviously dead, which I would argue is WAY worse (and what I thought this was going to be).


But that's not giving them false hope. Giving someone false hope is way worse.
 
2011-07-04 05:49:07 PM
Im disgusted with this newspaper I think I will be going to my local stores and informing them I will be boycotting them if they stock News of the World. going to see who I can get to do this as well.
 
2011-07-04 05:49:29 PM
Dick move News of the World, dick move. I'm sure you have made many dick moves, but this one seems extra veiny and throbbing.
 
2011-07-04 05:55:55 PM
Do you Brits have similar laws about interfering with an investigation? Because in the States, the police will nail you to the farking wall for that, just for farking with their case.
 
2011-07-04 05:59:58 PM

Scaryduck: And the newspaper editor at the heart of this - Rebakah Brooks - is now Rupert Murdoch's right-hand woman in his UK operations. Wonder how long she can go on claiming she knew nothing?


The great Ian Hislop of Have I Got News For You also mentioned that she's David Cameron's friend, and he owes her a lot because she... put him in power.

Also great that the guy who's quit twice without being found guilty was Cameron's assistant...


/ Hey, you're the Scaryduck from b3ta!
 
2011-07-04 06:16:54 PM
Let's put aside the hacking and the grieving parents for a second.

Let's put aside privacy concerns and focus on freedom of the press.

This stupid, stupid reporter listened to prerecorded messages, and instead of leaving them intact, deleted them.

As a fellow reporter, if I found out my friend did this, I'd have three choices. Report him to the cops, get him fired, or kick his farking ass in the office right then and there for infringing on others' free speech.
 
2011-07-04 06:21:45 PM

namegoeshere: Do you Brits have similar laws about interfering with an investigation? Because in the States, the police will nail you to the farking wall for that, just for farking with their case.


For some reason the last (Labour) government did everything they possibly could to squash this investigation. The police were called off and everything was swept under the carpet. The obvious conclusion is that the NotW had something very juicy on someone very senior in the government.
 
2011-07-04 06:29:38 PM

Subliterati: unfair: Well in all fairness they deleted the voicemails because the box was full, and they wanted to spy on more of them.

The mindset required to formulate this sentence baffles and dismays me.


Bio-nic: unfair: Well in all fairness they deleted the voicemails because the box was full, and they wanted to spy on more of them. They didn't intend to prank the parents or anything. I don't condone of breaking into the account, but blaming them for giving false hope is just stupid.

That's not the point, and you should feel horrible for thinking that it's ok for a news organization to delete what could be evidence of a crime because they wanted a story. It wasn't about pranking the parents I know we understand that, it was about being little slivish dickball yellow press douchebaggers.


Thank you, Bio-nic and Subliterati. What the fark is wrong with you, unfair?
 
2011-07-04 06:31:02 PM

Secret Polish Boyfriend: Scaryduck: And the newspaper editor at the heart of this - Rebakah Brooks - is now Rupert Murdoch's right-hand woman in his UK operations. Wonder how long she can go on claiming she knew nothing?

For those of you younger than me, I offer this Google search(^). At what point is a supervisor responsible for the behavior of subordinates? Maybe when the subordinates routinely break the law?


I thought a supervisor was always responsible.. in theory. What year did the buck stop with anyone but the person in charge, though?
 
2011-07-04 07:11:42 PM
RIP
img713.imageshack.us
 
2011-07-04 07:30:14 PM

Subliterati:
The mindset required to formulate this sentence baffles and dismays me.



ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Thank you, Bio-nic and Subliterati. What the fark is wrong with you, unfair?



I guess some people just don't understand the concept of malice or intent. It's what separates manslaughter from murder when you run over someone with your car.

When did Fark become such a carebear hugfest.
 
2011-07-04 07:39:36 PM

Penman: Newsgathering is dirty work. BFD.


I'm guessing you're one of two things-a terrible troll or an idiot. Which one?
 
2011-07-04 07:40:27 PM
They didn't help matters by trying to cover it up and texting:

still ded lol. kthxbai
 
2011-07-04 07:42:53 PM

Ed Finnerty: They didn't help matters by trying to cover it up and texting:

still ded lol. kthxbai


I lol'd
 
2011-07-04 08:09:20 PM

Loud_Mouth_Soup: Penman: Newsgathering is dirty work. BFD.

I'm guessing you're one of two things-a terrible troll or an idiot. Which one?


It is impossible to be a troll without being an idiot.
 
2011-07-04 08:21:28 PM

Bio-nic: lohphat: Voicemail messages and SMS messages are cached by the carrier for a period of time to aid in law enforcement investigations. The messages are just not in the handset.

/dnrtfa

As a former phone tech who worked with the VM systems for a major carrier, I will tell you flat out VMs are gone, man. Once the user deletes them the pool store will quickly reclaim that (see hours) so yeah, you're full of shiat.

Text messages, on the other hand, yeah those can be stored anywhere between 5 days and 5 months.


i do not know the time frame but some lady's husband died and she saved his last voicemail as the last thing he ever said or some such sentimental thing. somehow someone at verizon did something that caused her voicemail to be reset which deleted all the voicemails. she cried and complained and everyone said "they're gone" and "sorry we can do nothing" but several days later or perhaps weeks later, guess what? they resurrected those voicemails. so somewhere they are in fact saved. and for more then a few hours. now I know that the standard line is "they're gone" and "we're sorry", but if you push hard enough, someone, somewhere has access to them. it happened in NY maybe 2-3 years ago.
 
2011-07-04 08:28:10 PM

zahadum party planner: i do not know the time frame but some lady's husband died and she saved his last voicemail as the last thing he ever said or some such sentimental thing.


The place I work apparently gets requests sometimes, a staff member dies and the family wants his last outgoing message or voicemails or similar. I'm not remotely involved with anyone who handles that, but I think at least with outgoing messages (as opposed to private stuff the staff member maybe received) they try to transfer it out before killing the account.
 
2011-07-04 09:51:04 PM

zahadum party planner: Bio-nic: lohphat: Voicemail messages and SMS messages are cached by the carrier for a period of time to aid in law enforcement investigations. The messages are just not in the handset.

/dnrtfa

As a former phone tech who worked with the VM systems for a major carrier, I will tell you flat out VMs are gone, man. Once the user deletes them the pool store will quickly reclaim that (see hours) so yeah, you're full of shiat.

Text messages, on the other hand, yeah those can be stored anywhere between 5 days and 5 months.

i do not know the time frame but some lady's husband died and she saved his last voicemail as the last thing he ever said or some such sentimental thing. somehow someone at verizon did something that caused her voicemail to be reset which deleted all the voicemails. she cried and complained and everyone said "they're gone" and "sorry we can do nothing" but several days later or perhaps weeks later, guess what? they resurrected those voicemails. so somewhere they are in fact saved. and for more then a few hours. now I know that the standard line is "they're gone" and "we're sorry", but if you push hard enough, someone, somewhere has access to them. it happened in NY maybe 2-3 years ago.


This.

The primary systems are often cleansed of active messages but the backups of those systems are often on tape handled by the ops people "behind the curtains" not customer service. Law enforcement has a way of compelling carriers to retain data longer than people expect.
 
2011-07-04 10:34:26 PM
While this is the most distasteful sotry, it isn't anywhere near the worst.

They hacked into the mail of the serving Deputy Primeminister and (allegedly at this point) the Primeminister. Why that isn't being charged as espionage, I don't know.


(well, I do know. Mudoch is in effect silencing the police and the vast bulk of MPs using his "files" on individuals. This man wins or looses elections in the country, as proved by Major and Blair. I'm not a great fan of state-sacntioned assassinations, but he's a fair target. All News International media properties should also be siezed and sold on the public market. What he's doing to the UK's police and parliament is a genuine danger to the nation)
 
2011-07-04 11:21:37 PM

zahadum party planner: she cried and complained and everyone said "they're gone" and "sorry we can do nothing" but several days later or perhaps weeks later, guess what? they resurrected those voicemails. so somewhere they are in fact saved. and for more then a few hours. now I know that the standard line is "they're gone" and "we're sorry", but if you push hard enough, someone, somewhere has access to them. it happened in NY maybe 2-3 years ago.


I remember that case, but IIRC they had a backup of the messages because the glitch that deleted them was actually an upgrade to the voice mail system, so they had kept copies of the messages on the backup system. I don't think they keep live backups for very long unless there is a prior request from law enforcement. For example, we only keep 10 days of email backup at our company, but if there's an investigation accounts get flagged for backup for as long as the warrant is good for.
 
2011-07-04 11:24:58 PM

orbister: namegoeshere: Do you Brits have similar laws about interfering with an investigation? Because in the States, the police will nail you to the farking wall for that, just for farking with their case.

For some reason the last (Labour) government did everything they possibly could to squash this investigation. The police were called off and everything was swept under the carpet. The obvious conclusion is that the NotW had something very juicy on someone very senior in the government.


yeah Murdoch is a very powerful player in global politics. He can make or break any Republican here in the states. He probably exerts a lot of influence in the UK and Australia. He got Current TV kicked out of Italy. He's got his fingers in a lot of pies.
 
2011-07-04 11:45:54 PM

Lsherm: zahadum party planner: she cried and complained and everyone said "they're gone" and "sorry we can do nothing" but several days later or perhaps weeks later, guess what? they resurrected those voicemails. so somewhere they are in fact saved. and for more then a few hours. now I know that the standard line is "they're gone" and "we're sorry", but if you push hard enough, someone, somewhere has access to them. it happened in NY maybe 2-3 years ago.

I remember that case, but IIRC they had a backup of the messages because the glitch that deleted them was actually an upgrade to the voice mail system, so they had kept copies of the messages on the backup system. I don't think they keep live backups for very long unless there is a prior request from law enforcement. For example, we only keep 10 days of email backup at our company, but if there's an investigation accounts get flagged for backup for as long as the warrant is good for.


IIRC some idiot rep convinced the wife to upgrade to some newfangled voicemail+ or something which deleted the inferior older version of the voicemail. AFAIK no matter the reason once a voicemail is eleted, the stock answer is 2 bad so sad. whether you hit delete, or whether the service was cancelled cause you said cancel or if it was canceled because of non payment, or if your phone was disconected cause you moved, deleted is deleted is deleted as far as they are concerned. normally anyways. but somewhere there's a backup cause they found it.
 
2011-07-05 12:48:22 AM
Rupert Murdoch is a horrible person. News at 11.
 
2011-07-05 01:30:53 AM

SilentStrider: Loud_Mouth_Soup: Penman: Newsgathering is dirty work. BFD.

I'm guessing you're one of two things-a terrible troll or an idiot. Which one?

It is impossible to be a troll without being an idiot.


Not true!

Proof (new window)
 
2011-07-05 01:49:43 AM
Nothing will come of this.

Rupert Murdoch is the most powerful person in the world. He is literally more powerful than any government. If he wanted, he could have the nation of Iran wiped from the map via nuclear strikes. That it hasn't happened is proof that either he doesn't care about Iran, or he thinks there is some chance for higher readership from them.

Rupert Murdoch's empire is above any law. Nothing will come of this.
 
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