Establish a custom of skeet shooting off your dock. Boaters are likely to avoid anchoring off your property.
In the alternative, scuba gear and something to cut anchor lines always works.

After all, the people on the boats are usually rich assholes, too.

WHAAAA WHAA WHHAAA I'm some pasty white dude who can't have everything the way I want *stomps feet* WHAAA WHAAA! I think the waterway is my backyard WHAAA WHAAA!! *sobs*

Krieghund: TravisBickle62: What is "White people's problems"?

As compared to "Black people's problems"?

Seriously if you are going to play the race card you are picking the wrong race, the problems of black people are a 13 year old girl who has given birth to two crack babies.


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I still don't get it, because having people anchoring in your back yard is small potatoes compared to being HIV positive and addicted to drugs.

Damn the Great Unwashed eh?

I really enjoy the battles between The Have's and the Have More's

hhhmmmm...lets see...violate federal laws concerning navigable waterways. Sorry bangmaid, if you really were a boater (besides captaining your rubber ducky in a bath tub) you would realize how stupid you really are.

"Somebody needs your help, Michael."

I'm in the minority, but I am with the homeowners on this one. We can't have a vehicle parked on the street for more than 3 days where I live otherwise it's subject to tow. If these people are anchoring for an extended stay the should face similar punishments.

Broadcastdave: I'm in the minority, but I am with the homeowners on this one. We can't have a vehicle parked on the street for more than 3 days where I live otherwise it's subject to tow. If these people are anchoring for an extended stay the should face similar punishments.

There's no hate on fark like the hate for people who make more than 30k per year

That said I am on the fence about this. Maybe I should park my van in front of some farkers' trailers for a few weeks and see how that goes...

Marcus Aurelius: "I don't feel secure in my house with them back there," said Patchen, who claims boaters once came onto her property and broke her light

Maybe if she didn't shine the spotlight all night the boaters wouldn't come ashore and disable it.

Just a thought.

Just wait 'til those boaters figure out how to disable the light without leaving their boat.

Broadcastdave: I'm in the minority, but I am with the homeowners on this one. We can't have a vehicle parked on the street for more than 3 days where I live otherwise it's subject to tow. If these people are anchoring for an extended stay the should face similar punishments.

Laws do not work that way.

Im leaning towards the homeowners on this one.

If the boaters are close enough to be affected by music and floodlights and close enough to come ashore, it sounds like they're too close to be there for days on end

She noted that while the boaters get to drop anchor for free, some of her neighbors pay more than $100,000 in property taxes.

I guess she thinks that boat owners don't pay property taxes?

There's a very simple solution to this. No one has to compromise here, but maybe it would be for the best. I would simply designate an area for boater's who want to do this activity, and I would charge them either $10 a day or $40 a week to help pay for security to keep an eye on the designated area. If this is respected, no crimes, just good times.

With money these people make in order live in such posh areas permanently, they should have enough to pay for their private security as well.

These folks in their multi-million dollar oceanfront homes are complaining "They can see in my windows". Seems to me that they could afford curtains.

They are screaming about "my backyard", but the ocean isn't their backyard.

They complain that people sometimes come on to their property, which makes me think "Build a fence". It also makes me think "Once they hit your property, shoot them, but until they are on your property, shut the fark up."

LandOfChocolate: Im leaning towards the homeowners on this one.

If the boaters are close enough to be affected by music and floodlights and close enough to come ashore, it sounds like they're too close to be there for days on end

I'm pretty sure the law disagrees with you on that. These people do not own the ocean.

Color me skeptical of the claims these lords of all they survey have made of trespass and vandalism by a group they have declared war upon,

redsquid: Marcintosh: Damn the Great Unwashed eh?

I really enjoy the battles between The Have's and the Have More's

There seems to be an attitude on here that having a boat makes you 'rich'. My current boat, a hand built, 14' gunter rigged sharpie sailboat, was made from recycled and inexpensive materials. It cost about $150 total and looks and sails quite nicely. Craigslist is full of cheap and often free boats. I know a guy who lives aboard a salvaged sailboat that was literally on the bottom of the marina when he took posession of it. There are lots of rich folks with boats but they stay at the marina. They don't anchor in Biscayne Bay for the weekend.


Are you seriously going to argue these folks are anchoring there in home-made, recyclable material boats?

Plenty of self-entitled whinery on both sides.

How do they get off the boat and get to the local store to go pick things up or go places?

Seems like they could just regulate boat ramps, etc.

JuggleGeek: LandOfChocolate: Im leaning towards the homeowners on this one.

If the boaters are close enough to be affected by music and floodlights and close enough to come ashore, it sounds like they're too close to be there for days on end

I'm pretty sure the law disagrees with you on that. These people do not own the ocean.

Not disagreeing on that point, just stating where my sympathies lie.

If i were one of these guys i would be pissed too and would buy some favorable legislation asap

Fear_and_Loathing: The landowners only own the land to the high tide mark, anything below that is public land. The also don't own the water. Rich butt hurt, self important, elitist, baffons if you ask me.

THIS.

A guy I briefly dated had parents who were all about the fight to restrict public access to Great Lakes beaches. They lost (as well they damn well should have) but I nearly bit my tongue clear through every time they went on a rant.

And they owned a tiny cottage with what couldn't be much more than 100 feet of shoreline on Huron. Sigh.

EditorialSpace: There's a very simple solution to this. No one has to compromise here, but maybe it would be for the best. I would simply designate an area for boater's who want to do this activity, and I would charge them either $10 a day or $40 a week to help pay for security to keep an eye on the designated area. If this is respected, no crimes, just good times.

With money these people make in order live in such posh areas permanently, they should have enough to pay for their private security as well.

THEY DON'T OWN THE GODDAMN OCEAN.

This is the risk you take when you buy land on a public lake, river, or the goddamn ocean with a clear view to the water. People can see you too.

LandOfChocolate: If i were one of these guys i would be pissed too and would buy some favorable legislation asap

Fat chance. Taking on BoatUS would be political suicide, akin to taking on the NRA. Florida politicians know it.

Why do you think that the laws were recently changed in favor of the boaters?

BarbadoSlim: redsquid: Marcintosh: Damn the Great Unwashed eh?

I really enjoy the battles between The Have's and the Have More's

There seems to be an attitude on here that having a boat makes you 'rich'. My current boat, a hand built, 14' gunter rigged sharpie sailboat, was made from recycled and inexpensive materials. It cost about $150 total and looks and sails quite nicely. Craigslist is full of cheap and often free boats. I know a guy who lives aboard a salvaged sailboat that was literally on the bottom of the marina when he took posession of it. There are lots of rich folks with boats but they stay at the marina. They don't anchor in Biscayne Bay for the weekend.


Are you seriously going to argue these folks are anchoring there in home-made, recyclable material boats?

It's not often the price of the boat that gets you these days... it's the gas. And storage or dock fees when you're not on the water. Etc.

My friend has a $150 boat he built himself, but it's a rowboat.

Seriously, if I were as rich as Bill Gates and wanted that kind of security, I would buy like 100 square acres, completely wall it off, then fence it in a little closer, then wall it off, then fence it off, etc. rinse and repeat until I get within 300 yards of the residence. I would have a ton of warnings and No Tresspassing notifcations scattered throughout. It sure wouldn't be on an island, near the beach, or the ocean, though. There are a ton of legal regulations one has to put up with otherwise.

JuggleGeek: These folks in their multi-million dollar oceanfront homes are complaining "They can see in my windows". Seems to me that they could afford curtains.

They are screaming about "my backyard", but the ocean isn't their backyard.

They complain that people sometimes come on to their property, which makes me think "Build a fence". It also makes me think "Once they hit your property, shoot them, but until they are on your property, shut the fark up."

I don't know how the rules work on the ocean - but if I'm fishing in a boat and start to have trouble, I'm allowed to go to the shoreline for an emergency - even if it's private property. But oddly, IIRC, not if it's train property.

As long as they totally respect the high water line when building the fence/f--king up intruders, that's fair though. But since they think that the boaters are trespassing on their land, heh, I doubt they would.

In the red box is the area in dispute. Who knows where mr. Karlton lives but the views arent that great if you live in the houses surrounding sunset lake. Now I can see their concern. The space can be filled quickly with boats and if they pay enough rope to account for tides, there's not much space for boats to swing.

Step 3: Steal WiFi from people too stupid to password protect the modems in their waterfront condos?

Hey, it worked for a while in Sarasota.

Here's a pretty good litmus test to determine who's in the right on this one....

What are the boaters doing? They are anchored, legally, in public waters, and it seems, for the most part, are minding their own damn business. They aren't bothering the homeowners directly, they just happen to have planted themselves in between the homeowner and the horizon.

What is this homeowner doing? He is blasting light and sound energy at the boaters, and his objective is to become so annoying that the boaters leave. I may have got my GED in Law at the bottom of a CrackerJack box, but it seems to me that this willful and directed effort to cause discomfort to someone engaged in a legal activity might be construed in a court of law as an assault of sorts. There may be a precedent in the efforts that the US government made in Panama against the Vatican embassy to pry Marcos loose. In that case, the music and light was called "non-lethal" force, but force, none the less.

File an assault beef, and tie it to a tort claim for disturbance of sleep, and that old standby, mental anguish. But first, get a dozen of your buddies to suffer the same assault. Then all of you file separate claims, using separate ambulance-chasing law firms, and do it simultaneously. One day Mr. Rich Asshat is living the life of Riley, and the next, he's fighting off a dozen lawsuits from a dozen different directions. Even if he wins all of them, his lawyer bills will make certain he's not in that waterfront house much longer.

SweetDickens: hhhmmmm...lets see...violate federal laws concerning navigable waterways. Sorry bangmaid, if you really were a boater (besides captaining your rubber ducky in a bath tub) you would realize how stupid you really are.

What the fark are you talking about? You and Dow Jones have some serious reading comprehension problems. I never said land owners own navigable waterways. I never said its illegal to anchor anywhere for any period of time. You should watch your dirty pirate whore mouth.

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In the red box is the area in dispute. Who knows where mr. Karlton lives but the views arent that great if you live in the houses surrounding sunset lake. Now I can see their concern. The space can be filled quickly with boats and if they pay enough rope to account for tides, there's not much space for boats to swing.

The backyard in question.

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In the red box is the area in dispute. Who knows where mr. Karlton lives but the views arent that great if you live in the houses surrounding sunset lake. Now I can see their concern. The space can be filled quickly with boats and if they pay enough rope to account for tides, there's not much space for boats to swing.

I had a different mental picture when I was reading the story and these comments. That looks like a shiatty place to live. Houses stacked on houses for millions of dollars . . . you've got your neighbor up your ass but you're worried about boats? Well, I guess it's okay as long as your neighbors are all rich (and stupid enough to waste money on these houses) too.

/wouldn't live on the beach, ever
//millions-of-dollars-mansion in the mountains? would love it.

I wonder what Dr. Leo Marvin's opinion on the thing is. Maybe we should take baby steps towards a solution.

badscooter: The backyard in question.

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I was imagining boats sitting 50 to 100 feet off of a person's back yard, and peering with binoculars. But that is insane, like a creepy guy with his van parked in the street right in front of a house.

badscooter: DrSandyBeech: [farm7.static.flickr.com image 640x629]

In the red box is the area in dispute. Who knows where mr. Karlton lives but the views arent that great if you live in the houses surrounding sunset lake. Now I can see their concern. The space can be filled quickly with boats and if they pay enough rope to account for tides, there's not much space for boats to swing.

The backyard in question.

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Boring view. A few boats surely make it better.

Brainmeat: I wonder what Dr. Leo Marvin's opinion on the thing is. Maybe we should take baby steps towards a solution.

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Isn't this a break through? That I sail, that I'm a sailor. With the wind and the wind, and the waves, far far from the dock? that I'm a sailor? Ahoy

4. Loss of profitssssss

/no you won't figure out where that is from

styckx: There is a lot of smug butthurt in that article from people with a shiat ton of unwarranted self importance.

Feels Goodman.

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In the red box is the area in dispute. Who knows where mr. Karlton lives but the views arent that great if you live in the houses surrounding sunset lake. Now I can see their concern. The space can be filled quickly with boats and if they pay enough rope to account for tides, there's not much space for boats to swing.

That actually makes me LESS sympathetic to the homeowners. They don't have some unspoiled vista of oceans and mountains in an out of the way place... They live in a residential neighborhood. Their view is other houses. If they didn't want to see boats, perhaps they shouldn't have bought homes that abut the ocean.

The noise they're blasting should probably be annoying to other neighbors, considering how close the other homes are, but I'm betting a lot of those houses are empty much of the year and they exploit that fact. What self-entitled douches. It's not enough to buy your home in an area with other wealthy people, but so much as the mere sight of the proles is too much for them. These people don't want privacy or a better view... they just hate people who aren't rich.