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2011-07-02 09:46:56 PM  
Attention K Mart shoppers.

The police no longer give a William nor Nilliam f*ck about locating, retrieving or returning stolen property. There's no money in it.

If you have ever wanted to go on a house looting spree, this is your opportune time. The odds of you being noticed, pestered or caught are pretty much nil. Some people do, however, own guns, so you might get your brains turned into corned beef hash. This will, oddly, bring the police to arrest the persons defending their homes and property from you. God speed, morons.

PSA
 
2011-07-02 10:24:19 PM  
Why has the crime rate dropped in the USA? Because the police won't record it or acknowledge it happens.
 
2011-07-02 10:47:59 PM  
You know, add in that story from the other day where a small-town cop tazered a mentally disabled kid for 'disrespect'...the cops just aren't looking too good lately, are they?

/Only interaction out in NV is when my sister wandered off at age two.
//Cop brought her home and read my dad the riot act, so they're good in my book.
///Don't speed out here, though.
 
2011-07-02 11:05:53 PM  

bluorangefyre: Did somebody mention vigilante justice?
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I'll see your Paul Kersey and raise you one Frank Castle
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2011-07-02 11:07:50 PM  
When making runs east to Washington U, I always putter along in the `86 Nissan Sentra (30mpg/somewhat rusty/beneath contempt - putzes won't even bother keying it).

Come the flood, I70 will be blockaded somewhere around Hawk Point, so all the Archers can just motate into Illinois on 70/64/55 - head West and they'll fall off the earth.

/turkey vultures for the win
 
2011-07-02 11:12:15 PM  
If someone steals something of mine and I find them before the cops do it will resemble what happened to the card cheats in Casino.
 
2011-07-02 11:50:45 PM  

Poppa Boner: meow76: Because any non-liberal viewpoint on fark must be trolling...

Well he's either a troll or an idiot. How's about you?


LOL.


Idiot troll is my guess
 
2011-07-03 12:12:37 AM  

calbert: here4few: calbert: St. Louis?

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/"roll 'em up"

East St. Louis a whole different world, in Illinois

not according to Harold Ramis

At the time, a reader wrote-in and pointed out that the Griswolds are actually shown crossing the Mississippi River from the Illinois to the Missouri side before leaving the freeway and getting lost, therefore they couldn't possibly be in East St. Louis. However, as they're taking the exit, the camera cuts briefly to a freeway sign that says "East St. Louis." This geography mixup is pointed out in the "Goofs" section of the film's IMDB page, which also says the error has been edited out in some versions.

Here's what Ramis (the legend who also wrote and directed Ghostbusters, Caddyshack, and a dozen other classics) had to say about the sequence:

"They go over the [Poplar Street] bridge before it happens, so technically it would be in St. Louis," Ramis says of the scene in which Chase gets lost and prefaces his request for directions from the locals with an incomparably delivered "Excuse me, homes."

Many a moviegoer has misattributed the scene to East St. Louis, including writers at the New York Times and the Hollywood Reporter. (new window)


It's also like in Planes, Trains and Automobiles where a bus coming from Jefferson City, MO crosses the Poplar Street Bridge from Illinois into Missouri. Hollywood gets pretty creative with the geography sometimes.
 
2011-07-03 02:13:56 AM  

adammpower: I had no real opinions about Des Moines before i took a job up here. Have really fell in love with the pace though. Nice people and great community to be in. Reminds me of a laid back small Euro-city a lot of days.


Shhhhh! Keep letting them think it's all corn and hicks!
 
2011-07-03 02:16:23 AM  

JuggleGeek: CruiserTwelve: Guess what? Some cell phone companies (Cricket, for one) won't cooperate with the police.


Irrelevant in this case, since the girl who knew they had her cell phone could log in online and tell where it was at. She tried to get the cops to go to that address and nab the thugs. The cops didn't care.

She also refused to give me the address, saying "No, the cops should handle this".


I don't think it was a matter of "the cops don't care" as much as it was "we don't have enough cops to track down your cell phone right now."
 
2011-07-03 03:12:48 AM  

Cross of Iron: I went out there last night and emerged unscathed. Of course, I was on historic Route 66 (Dunn Rd.) alongside 270.

Never go into downtown St. Louis alone. I went to Oktoberfest one year by myself and was amazed that I got out of Soulard.


Every night I put on my green BJC scrubs, head downtown alone (oh noes!) and take the train to the hospital. I grew up in a farm town in central IL where it is a base offense to bee rude to someone. I have quickly learned to tell gross guys to eff off, keep my back against post at all times and keep my good stuff hidden on my person. Out of towners and county dwellers are way too fearful of the city.
 
2011-07-03 03:17:27 AM  

Rapmaster2000: "Why didn't you seize the moment when we pretty much gift-wrapped a pretty good lead for you?" Keith asked, describing the experience to a reporter. "It was just astonishing. You'd think they'd take it a little more seriously to curtail the crime downtown."

Because in a city with murders, armed robbery, burglary, and oodles of crackheads, nobody is going to waste time chasing down a cell phone that you were stupid enough to leave in plain sight in your car. Next time, try not to be such a dumbass.



This! If you are going to take your car downtown ( take the damn train!) then don't leave anything in it! Stupid.
 
2011-07-03 03:57:03 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I don't think it was a matter of "the cops don't care" as much as it was "we don't have enough cops to track down your cell phone right now."


In my case, 4 thugs came into a bar, took wallets, purses, cell phones, etc from 30 to 40 people at gunpoint. (3 with pistols, one guy with a shotgun. All gang thugs wearing masks.) One of those cell phones was owned by a girl who know she could track it. She could give them an address. The cops didn't care.

That's not just a matter of "do we care to get your cell phone back", that's a matter of "do we care about catching armed thugs who are sticking guns in peoples faces".

A week after this happened, a very similar incident happened at another bar, except one of the customers tried to run, and they killed him.

I don't know if the thugs that robbed me and my friends are the same thugs that robbed the other bar and killed the guy. I doubt the cops know, either, since all the evidence is that the cops don't care.

Catching the real criminals, the kind that stick guns in peoples faces, isn't profitable, and it carries a much higher risk than writing out a ticket for speeding or "no seatbelt". So the cops let the real criminals go and harass everyone else.
 
2011-07-03 06:45:03 AM  
JuggleGeek:

One of those cell phones was owned by a girl who know she could track it.

Are you sure they didn't try to track the cell phone? I find it hard to believe that cops wouldn't follow up on such a great lead on such a serious crime. I'm more inclined to think they tried to track the cell phone but found out it was turned off or smashed or something. Criminals know that cops can track cell phones and it's unlikely they'd keep one active for long.

Catching the real criminals, the kind that stick guns in peoples faces, isn't profitable, and it carries a much higher risk than writing out a ticket for speeding or "no seatbelt". So the cops let the real criminals go and harass everyone else.

Wow. Go ask any cop what he'd rather be doing: Catching armed bad guys or writing tickets. I guarantee you'll get 100% who answer that they'd rather be catching the bad guys. Do you think cops become cops because they want to raise revenue for their city? Cops are adrenaline junkies. They WANT to put themselves in harm's way to get their adrenaline fix.

The fact is, property crimes are hard to solve. It takes but a few seconds to smash a car window and reach in and grab something and run off. If there are no witnesses, there's almost nothing to follow up on. You come out in the morning and find that somebody has smashed your car window and took your radio, what do you realistically expect the cops to do? There are so many property crimes that cops can only follow up on the ones where there's a possibility of catching someone.
 
2011-07-03 07:24:34 AM  
I live on the Lemp Neighborhood and the biggest crimes around here are DUIs, public disturbance/intoxication.... I love living in the city.

If my car was broken into i would be pissed but not nearly as pissed if they broke in my house or took the car with me in it. I would rather the cops be looking for murders and violent criminals rather than my cell phone. On the other hand when I am parking downtown I clean out my car and make sure nothing of monetary of value is there except the car itself.

I know the City of St Louis has it problems and I have lived and been to cities that have had their problems too.
 
2011-07-03 07:35:22 AM  

ryanecandyce: I live on the Lemp Neighborhood and the biggest crimes around here are DUIs, public disturbance/intoxication.... I love living in the city.

If my car was broken into i would be pissed but not nearly as pissed if they broke in my house or took the car with me in it. I would rather the cops be looking for murders and violent criminals rather than my cell phone. On the other hand when I am parking downtown I clean out my car and make sure nothing of monetary of value is there except the car itself.

I know the City of St Louis has it problems and I have lived and been to cities that have had their problems too.


I live in Bevo. I fear my home being broken into. Mainly because I worry my cat would be hurt. I never feel unsafe walking around the city. I can't see ever selling out and moving to the county.
 
2011-07-03 08:17:56 AM  

CruiserTwelve: You come out in the morning and find that somebody has smashed your car window and took your radio, what do you realistically expect the cops to do?


This may be budget heresy cause, surely, fingerprint kits cost about a billion dollars, now, but.. um, if you started dusting for prints at these things, don't you think it would help a lot to take those prints and match them to the national useless piece of sh*t punk assed criminal database and just maybe, find out who they are? Or is that too cost prohibitive? If so, why? It takes about 15 min to do, ya know? I don't think that's a ridiculous use of resources but I can't wait for the smirk brigade of GED detectives to log on here and almost explain why of COURSE it is.
 
2011-07-03 08:34:45 AM  

MonkeyMeg: ryanecandyce: I live on the Lemp Neighborhood and the biggest crimes around here are DUIs, public disturbance/intoxication.... I love living in the city.

If my car was broken into i would be pissed but not nearly as pissed if they broke in my house or took the car with me in it. I would rather the cops be looking for murders and violent criminals rather than my cell phone. On the other hand when I am parking downtown I clean out my car and make sure nothing of monetary of value is there except the car itself.

I know the City of St Louis has it problems and I have lived and been to cities that have had their problems too.

I live in Bevo. I fear my home being broken into. Mainly because I worry my cat would be hurt. I never feel unsafe walking around the city. I can't see ever selling out and moving to the county.


I feel the same about my dogs. I would never give up being able to walk to cafes, bars or the wonderful antique stores. I walk my dogs every morning and every evening and have never had a problem. My biggest concern are the drunk drivers, especially on holiday weekends.
 
2011-07-03 09:27:28 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Wow. Go ask any cop what he'd rather be doing: Catching armed bad guys or writing tickets. I guarantee you'll get 100% who answer that they'd rather be catching the bad guys. Do you think cops become cops because they want to raise revenue for their city? Cops are adrenaline junkies. They WANT to put themselves in harm's way to get their adrenaline fix.


Well, since we're generalizing: we work with a lot of 1st responders, and in my experience, that's not really true. Seems that FF's are in it for the heroics (real or otherwise) and want to be the guy rescuing damsels from the burning building, while cops are more interested in the power trip, being the guy in control, and if they can get it without actually risking anything, so much the better.

/personally I think paramedics are the best mix of brains & duty
 
2011-07-03 09:59:33 AM  

JuggleGeek: CruiserTwelve: I don't think it was a matter of "the cops don't care" as much as it was "we don't have enough cops to track down your cell phone right now."

In my case, 4 thugs came into a bar, took wallets, purses, cell phones, etc from 30 to 40 people at gunpoint. (3 with pistols, one guy with a shotgun. All gang thugs wearing masks.) One of those cell phones was owned by a girl who know she could track it. She could give them an address. The cops didn't care.

That's not just a matter of "do we care to get your cell phone back", that's a matter of "do we care about catching armed thugs who are sticking guns in peoples faces".

A week after this happened, a very similar incident happened at another bar, except one of the customers tried to run, and they killed him.

I don't know if the thugs that robbed me and my friends are the same thugs that robbed the other bar and killed the guy. I doubt the cops know, either, since all the evidence is that the cops don't care.

Catching the real criminals, the kind that stick guns in peoples faces, isn't profitable, and it carries a much higher risk than writing out a ticket for speeding or "no seatbelt". So the cops let the real criminals go and harass everyone else.


Where in the hell was this at? They rob over 30 people at gunpoint and the cops shrug it off? I'm about to declare shenaningans. :)
 
2011-07-03 10:21:48 AM  
So, essentially, unless there's enough armed, on duty cops at a place of business that is being robbed by thugs, you're sh*t out of luck and even if there ARE enoughon duty, armed cops there, you might get killed anyhow? Seriously? Aww come on. this is.. this wild west without the posse crap is the best we can do? Nah. Come ON! It's gotta be better than "Sorry, just give them what they want", doesn't it?
 
2011-07-03 12:42:39 PM  

Mad Mark: Where in the hell was this at? They rob over 30 people at gunpoint and the cops shrug it off? I'm about to declare shenaningans. :)


Dallas. And fark you with your shenanagins bullshiat. All the cops did was show up 30 minutes after the fact (they got a phone call by someone in the parking lot when the thugs were walking in) to fill out paperwork.
 
2011-07-03 02:02:17 PM  

JuggleGeek: All the cops did was show up 30 minutes after the fact to fill out paperwork.


Not just marginally capable journalists.. ARMED marginally capable journalists! You know what? If you motherf*ckers don't start doing some police work instead of farming incarceration revenue from potheads, planting dope in cars driven by people doing 38 in a 35 and cracking skulls on fourteen year old skateboarders, people are gonna start taking care of themselves. And if you think you got a lot of paperwork now, wait until the people who think that we should skip devolving into Mogadishu start stacking bodies up at your precinct load in door. "Being on the wrong side of the law" does NOT mean "failing to be another LEO". Toss us mere mortals a fish, will ya? Cause so far, we don't feel a lot safer standing in line at traffic court to buy you guys more stun guns.
 
2011-07-03 02:05:03 PM  
We can't all be your captains doddering, gray haired old mother who needs four units in 3 minutes flat to rescue her from the obvious results of the fact that she can't drive anymore and make sure the person she hits gets cited. Some of us just pay your fu*king electricity bills but we could use a little police work, now and then, if you ain't too tied up with the sports page.
 
2011-07-03 03:09:59 PM  

bunner: if you started dusting for prints at these things, don't you think it would help a lot to take those prints and match them to the national useless piece of sh*t punk assed criminal database and just maybe, find out who they are?


There are very few surfaces on a car that can be dusted for prints and most of the larceny from motor vehicle theives are high school aged kids whose fingerprints are unlikely to be in any database. Besides, fingerprint dust is permanent. It gets in your carpet and it's like dye - it doesn't come out. It can cause more damage than the thief did.

Finally, there is an economical factor. CSI techs usually stay plenty busy on serious crimes - if they were expected to work every single crime you'd have to hire a lot more, and buy them equipment, facilities, etc. In the end the time, expense and the very tiny probability of coming up with workable prints doesn't make it feasible. The best thing is to take preventative measures like not leaving valuables in your car and having insurance.
 
2011-07-03 03:19:57 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Besides, fingerprint dust is permanent. It gets in your carpet and it's like dye - it doesn't come out. It can cause more damage than the thief did.


Wow. I had no idea.

CruiserTwelve: Finally, there is an economical factor. CSI techs usually stay plenty busy on serious crimes - if they were expected to work every single crime you'd have to hire a lot more, and buy them equipment, facilities, etc. In the end the time, expense and the very tiny probability of coming up with workable prints doesn't make it feasible. The best thing is to take preventative measures like not leaving valuables in your car and having insurance.


What, in your estimation, officer, would it take as far as available capital to make a mid sized city police force capale of dealing with crime on the level that people still think it should be able to, despite changing times? Cause all we see are officers working revenue streams and shrugging a lot and it's starting to make us think we got f*cked, frankly.
 
2011-07-03 03:27:04 PM  
And how much of that do you think could be facilitated by simply making officers concentrate on criminal activity instead of playing favorites with friends and families of LEOs? And, for that matter, as long as fingerprinting has been around, has nobody worked on new base formulas and do we truly need expansive forensic facilities and specialists to process them accurately? Cause we got motherf*ckers floating around eating sammiches in orbit on a space station and pooping in zero G and I'm a little concerned about our scientific priorities.
 
2011-07-03 03:30:08 PM  

JuggleGeek: Dallas. And fark you with your shenanagins bullshiat. All the cops did was show up 30 minutes after the fact (they got a phone call by someone in the parking lot when the thugs were walking in) to fill out paperwork.


Okay, I'M gonna call shenanigans on that one. An armed robbery by four guys with thirty victims and a good chance of tracking the guys, and all they did was show up thirty minutes later and fill out paperwork? Naw, didn't happen. At least not how you're describing it.

First of all, four guys aren't going to do an armed "take over" style of robbery at a bar. They're too likely to run into some drunk hero type and have to shoot someone, and the take from such a robbery would be small. Besides if it was in Texas I'd expect at least a couple people in the bar would be armed and there would likely be a shootout. That's the kind of robbery you do at a bank where the real money is, or in a movie.

That kind of robbery with that many victims would certainly be newsworthy. Find it and post a link or I'm not gonna believe it.
 
2011-07-03 03:46:36 PM  
I think we have to take the B Movie criminal worship out of criminal behavior and stop worshiping nickel for six thugs. They're not romantic, They're not helping. They're telling you how cool it is to have everybody be afraid of you rather than respect you. Sound familiar? We can all do better than this. Just refuse to lower your standards. If you don't know how to do that, check out any bored lonely chick or guy who heads out of the bar alone on a Sat. night. Criminals are not heroes. They'd bone you up the shi*ter or punch your mother in the mouth for a wad of cash. Stop thinking that's cool. At the end of the day, the cast of the Godfather and Goodfellas and the characters they portrayed were a pack of sh*t for brains animals with no semblance of a conscience. Those aren't heroes. Depending on their level of decency, "F*ck tha police" is sometimes a useful response. "F*ck tha gangsters" always is. Here's the science. Until we change the game up and accept nothing less, we're gonna be stuck kissing somebody's ass, bandanna and a Glock or a badge and a Glock. Either way, we're nothing but back forty slaves.
 
2011-07-03 04:34:53 PM  
STL crime update: Two men shot on Kingshighway (new window)

I bet I could post a new link every day of a shooting in the area.
 
2011-07-03 05:19:27 PM  

Aulus: adammpower: Best of luck to you. I had no real opinions about Des Moines before i took a job up here. Have really fell in love with the pace though. Nice people and great community to be in. Reminds me of a laid back small Euro-city a lot of days.

Six years ago, we had a rash of car burglaries in the Sherman Hill area of Des Moines. They broke into my car four or five times, once stealing my flashlight to took around in the SUV parked next to my car in a lighted, off street parking lot behind our building. At no time could the Des Moines PD be bothered to come out. Then two blocks over, the car of a lesbian couple got hit and there were five cop cars on scene and TV cameras from all three stations. Why? Well, it's a "hate crime" now. fark that, how is it different that the crooks hated I had something they wanted and took it?


your chances of getting killed by those same thugs though are almost nothing. there's still some level of civility in that that STL hasn't had for a long time.
 
2011-07-03 06:11:44 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Okay, I'M gonna call shenanigans on that one. An armed robbery by four guys with thirty victims and a good chance of tracking the guys, and all they did was show up thirty minutes later


Fark you.
 
2011-07-03 06:25:19 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Find it and post a link or I'm not gonna believe it.


http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/Teens_Used_Shotgun_to_Rob_Bar

And fark you again. Bad enough that the cops waited so long to show up, and that they ignored the GPS info that would have led them to the thugs. I don't need some asshole like you telling me it didn't happen.

One odd thing - they took wallets, purses, cell phones. They didn't take the money from the cash register. I don't know why - my guess is that they are unorganized teen thugs who argued later "No, *you* were supposed to get the cash register."

At about the same time as this happened, there were several other bars robbed in a similar manner. No way for me to know if it was the same thugs or not. In one case, someone tried to run out of the bar and they killed him.

Texas law doesn't allow people to carry guns into bars, so only the thugs are armed.

After the fact, several of the regulars who have concealed carry permits started carrying in the bar anyway. Bar staff just pretended not to notice, so long as it was a regular with no history of causing trouble.
 
2011-07-03 07:39:24 PM  
""We had many balls we were juggling in the air that night and we dropped one," the chief said. But, he added, "Many other balls were picked up that night and after."
Which explains why they were too busy to solve a very easy case.
 
2011-07-03 10:48:12 PM  

JuggleGeek: CruiserTwelve: Find it and post a link or I'm not gonna believe it.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/Teens_Used_Shotgun_to_Rob_Bar

And fark you again. Bad enough that the cops waited so long to show up, and that they ignored the GPS info that would have led them to the thugs. I don't need some asshole like you telling me it didn't happen.

One odd thing - they took wallets, purses, cell phones. They didn't take the money from the cash register. I don't know why - my guess is that they are unorganized teen thugs who argued later "No, *you* were supposed to get the cash register."

At about the same time as this happened, there were several other bars robbed in a similar manner. No way for me to know if it was the same thugs or not. In one case, someone tried to run out of the bar and they killed him.

Texas law doesn't allow people to carry guns into bars, so only the thugs are armed.

After the fact, several of the regulars who have concealed carry permits started carrying in the bar anyway. Bar staff just pretended not to notice, so long as it was a regular with no history of causing trouble.


Remind me never to move to Dallas.
 
2011-07-04 06:17:09 AM  

JuggleGeek: And fark you again. Bad enough that the cops waited so long to show up, and that they ignored the GPS info that would have led them to the thugs. I don't need some asshole like you telling me it didn't happen.


I looked at your link and did some research myself, and didn't see anything about the cops taking 30 minutes to get there and just taking a report, or anything about them ignoring the possibility of tracking a cell phone to catch the bad guys. Also, of all the articles I looked at in my research, I didn't see a single one where someone ran out of a bar and got killed.

By the way, you need to do something about your anger management isues.
 
2011-07-04 07:15:25 AM  

MonkeyMeg: I live in Bevo. I fear my home being broken into. Mainly because I worry my cat would be hurt. I never feel unsafe walking around the city. I can't see ever selling out and moving to the county.


Selling out? That is the silliest thing I have read in a while.

If you had kids, you wouldn't consider it selling out. It would be a wise move.

/SLPS is awful
 
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