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(Some Guy)   Grocery store to start using shopping bags that dissolve in minutes   (environmentalleader.com) divider line 39
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2011-07-01 05:36:39 PM
It never rains?
 
2011-07-01 05:43:57 PM
I don't see the need. They are already half decomposed by the time I get them home.
 
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2011-07-01 09:24:07 PM
We get paper bags, and take the recycling out in them. Pretty sure they'd dissolve in water, too.
 
2011-07-01 10:25:56 PM
Made from corn starch? Fantastic. You can feed them to the homeless.
 
2011-07-02 12:48:22 AM
The grocery store isn't using the bags. The Puma story and the Albertson's story are are unrelated. Too bad that would have been way better than the annoying bag taxes the cities around here keep trying to push.
 
2011-07-02 12:54:35 AM
The local Albertson's uses plastic bags whose handles break in minutes, and which allow almost anything not soft to poke through.

Their paper bags are not much better, but if I double them, I can usually get home without losing much.

Stupid Walmart doesn't even HAVE paper bags.
 
2011-07-02 01:08:40 AM
oldebayer: The local Albertson's uses plastic bags whose handles break in minutes, and which allow almost anything not soft to poke through.

Their paper bags are not much better, but if I double them, I can usually get home without losing much.

Stupid Walmart doesn't even HAVE paper bags.


The Wal-Marts here gave out reusable bags with the Sunday papers as a promo.

The grocery store I shop at gives you 5 cents for every reusable bag at the checkout stand. My reusable bags paid for themselves long ago and have been earning money ever since. An added bonus is that they hold a lot more than the flimsy plastic bags do, so I make fewer trips carrying the food into the house from the car.
 
2011-07-02 01:30:37 AM
Because frozen food on a hot humid day would never be a problem with bags that dissolve in water.
 
2011-07-02 01:30:45 AM
The cornstarch-based bags can also be dissolved in water in minutes, Puma says. It predictst hat the bags will save 192 tons of plastic and 293 tons of paper each year.

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Big win for big agriculture
 
2011-07-02 01:36:44 AM
Stop getting your panties in a bunch, the bags are actually quite strong. They use them in most supermarkets in Italy now, I had NEVER had one break on me when I carry my groceries home. They dissolve in hot water, and even in boiling water it takes a long time (over 45min) before the bag begins to break down. In cold water, like condensation off of cold food, the bags would last a long time.

Paper bags are biodegradable too you know, yet when is the last time you were carrying frozen food and the water from the condensation made the paper bag just dissolve away?
 
2011-07-02 01:41:32 AM
Namahs: Stop getting your panties in a bunch

This is Fark. There are no panties unbunched anywhere. Everyone will have their self-righteous panties in a bunch over this and everything else.
 
2011-07-02 01:49:09 AM
Foaming: The grocery store isn't using the bags. The Puma story and the Albertson's story are are unrelated. Too bad that would have been way better than the annoying bag taxes the cities around here keep trying to push.

THIS
 
2011-07-02 02:05:56 AM
Supermarkets really fret over the idea of people thinking about their shopping ahead of time enough to bring their canvas bags. That's why they'll always want to have freebie bags in the stores, for impulse shoppers who haven't really thought out their purchasing.

On the flip side, towards the end of the week when the missus says "Stop by the store and pick up milk, chicken breasts, and a fresh head of lettuce." you won't survive saying "Gee honey, but I don't have the shopping bags."
 
2011-07-02 02:24:49 AM
A place I worked at used those cornstarch-based utensils. Try to stir your coffee with a spoon, and the spoon would come out twisted, melting and dripping. Good luck using those bags in the rain.
 
2011-07-02 02:26:54 AM
At the local brand-name supermarket I used to ask for "double-sack, paper." The checker/bagger looked at me like I wanted him/her to solve a trigonometry problem.

Now I do it myself. The trick is to open the second sack inside the first sack BEFORE putting any items in it. (No, no one knew this where I shopped.)

/hate little plastic bags.
 
2011-07-02 02:28:27 AM
buckler: A place I worked at used those cornstarch-based utensils. Try to stir your coffee with a spoon, and the spoon would come out twisted, melting and dripping. Good luck using those bags in the rain.

Your coffee is hot, that speeds up the process a whole hell of a lot

/Drop a gelatin capsule into cold or room temp water, then take another an drop it in hot water. Watch
 
2011-07-02 02:31:56 AM
the_sidewinder: buckler: A place I worked at used those cornstarch-based utensils. Try to stir your coffee with a spoon, and the spoon would come out twisted, melting and dripping. Good luck using those bags in the rain.

Your coffee is hot, that speeds up the process a whole hell of a lot

/Drop a gelatin capsule into cold or room temp water, then take another an drop it in hot water. Watch


Yeah, I know. I was being dramatic. On the upside, I learned that earthworms don't eat them, so chalk one up for science, I guess.
 
2011-07-02 02:42:58 AM
wildcardjack: you won't survive saying "Gee honey, but I don't have the shopping bags."

Just keep some in the car. That way you're always prepared if you need to stop at the store on the way home.
 
2011-07-02 02:44:23 AM
Namahs: Stop getting your panties in a bunch, the bags are actually quite strong. They use them in most supermarkets in Italy now...

Yes, but reducing waste is downright unamerican.
 
2011-07-02 02:47:03 AM
It predicts that the bags will save 192 tons of plastic and 293 tons of paper each year.

I never knew plastic and paper could sin enough to need saving.
 
2011-07-02 03:03:04 AM
one of the stores in my area tried the new bags for about a month everyone biatched about them so a few weeks ago the entire front page of the Sunday add was "blue bags are back"

/the bags were shiat and even triple bagged fell apart between the store and the car
 
2011-07-02 03:14:39 AM
Next step, condoms!

/SCIENCE!
 
2011-07-02 07:45:58 AM
Paper bags suck. They just plain suck.
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2011-07-02 08:59:52 AM
Namahs: Stop getting your panties in a bunch, the bags are actually quite strong. They use them in most supermarkets in Italy now, I had NEVER had one break on me when I carry my groceries home. They dissolve in hot water, and even in boiling water it takes a long time (over 45min) before the bag begins to break down. In cold water, like condensation off of cold food, the bags would last a long time.

Paper bags are biodegradable too you know, yet when is the last time you were carrying frozen food and the water from the condensation made the paper bag just dissolve away?


I have lost many a cold 40oz of Old English to soggy paper bags.
 
2011-07-02 09:26:42 AM
At the Woodland Park (Seattle's America's most awesome zoo), all the utensils and plates are made of corn starch. And at Yellowstone, they're pretty much the same. I've never had any problem with any utensil dissolving in seconds. Sure, if you put the spoon into BOILING HOT COFFEE, it will melt. So will a plastic spoon.

FTR, I think this is a good idea. It will reduce the amount of trash in landfills ultimately because the bags will degrade much faster than traditional plastic bags.

Oh, and I'm assuming the corn starch bags won't be made from oil (or at least not as much oil) as plastic (which is 80%+ oil), so I'm okay with this.
 
2011-07-02 09:29:21 AM
Worst.Fark handle. ever.: Paper bags suck. They just plain suck.
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Look at all that poisonous oil and grease that helpful paper bag has wicked away from whatever it is you're about to eat. God bless the paper bag, eh? It's best not to look at your Five Guys bags.
 
2011-07-02 09:42:38 AM
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Begs the question...
 
2011-07-02 09:59:02 AM
I have a bunch of reusable bags -- one from a Netscape Developers Conference in '94 -- that I use. One store actually gives me a nickel credit for each. I get just enough paper bags from the store to take out the recycling.

Just stop using disposable plastic where you can, folks.
 
2011-07-02 11:19:21 AM
Trader Joe's paper bags FTW. Strongest farking handles invented. As long as you don't exert outward force. I can't figure that one out- the handle practically falls off if you pull out on it, yet stays firmly attached even if you fill the bag with bricks.
 
2011-07-02 12:13:23 PM
Foaming: The grocery store isn't using the bags. The Puma story and the Albertson's story are are unrelated. Too bad that would have been way better than the annoying bag taxes the cities around here keep trying to push.

Thanks for explaining that to me, seriously.

I shop at an Albertsons about an hour outside of Santa Barbara and they just had to start charging 10 cents per bag due to a county law that just went into effect. I was hoping the new bags would be free.

But nevermind.
 
2011-07-02 12:37:42 PM
The bags dissolve in hot water according to one of the comments.

I've had starch bags--they do disintegrate into small pieces. So will regular plastic if exposed to UV for a while--that's probably why the streets aren't full of plastic bags snagged on weeds and filling corners. Unlike plastic, the pieces don't just get smaller and smaller, corn starch is biodegradable in months.

Plastic floats out to sea and gets mistaken for fish, jellyfish, then finally smaller organisms like shrimp, krill, planckton, etc.

It fills the bellies of sharks, then sea turtles, albatross and finally planckton. I don't think anybody knows one half of the harm it does when it finally becomes pieces that can only be seen with microscopes.

Starch bags seem to work just as well as plastic, but like all bags, they are made too thin and don't carry much weight nowadays. That's not the fault of the material, but an attempt to save material and money, so it's the customers, stores and manufacturers who are to blame.

Once you have seen and understood what plastic bags do to sea life and some terrestrial life, it's easier to ignore all the other silly arguments pro and contra and think globally, act locally.

We've done enough damage to the oceans. If we do much more, there could be a sudden and unexpected collapse (in addition to the slower and expected mass extinction going on now). This is life support, people! Life support! For us!

The local stores here have plastic boxes you can use to take things to the car or which you can buy and put in your car. They sell sturdy plastic bags made out of soda bottles and you can buy, or get any number of handy shopping bags for free. No need to deal with paper or plastic issues. I have a handy granny cart that cost about $20-30 which holds up to eight 2 litre bottles of cola and I can thus walk to the store and back again without worrying about bags breaking because I am either not using a bag or the bag is attached to my mobile shopping basket. At the grocery store, the cart will fit underneath the handle of the shopping cart (not all models of shopping carts work this way).

I have a maxim of my own which covers most problems in this world:

"Everything is always bad design or bad management, and the managers choose the designers."


Think things through. That's real competence, combined with memory, caring, promptness, etc.
 
2011-07-02 12:43:30 PM
I've seen a number of clip handles that make plastic bags more comfortable to carry and reduce ripping. Some are padded. You can find them in the type of stores that sell handy household or kitchen gadgets and shopping bags. Dollar stores are a good bet.
 
2011-07-02 02:43:34 PM
brantgoose: So will regular plastic if exposed to UV for a while--that's probably why the streets aren't full of plastic bags snagged on weeds and filling corners

You should drive through my part of New Mexico sometime. Nearly every bush, shrub, cactus, tree and barbed wire fence has plastic bags hanging from it. And I'm at 4000 feet, high enough for plenty of extra UV rays.
 
2011-07-02 04:12:20 PM
I work and shop at Wal-Mart. This idea scares me.
 
2011-07-02 05:06:09 PM
All you geniuses who are so brilliant as to think these bags might dissolve from a little condensation or rain, you should call this company right now and apply for a job. I'm sure they'd be relieved to have someone like you around to think of things they couldn't possibly have taken into consideration. You could save them millions of dollars and a lot of embarrassment. Thank god there are people like you around to realize this stuff when obviously the people who make such bags have not.

I bow down before your mighty intellects.
 
2011-07-02 05:06:20 PM
Maybe they can make bags out of silk^ instead.

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2011-07-02 05:13:30 PM
OR

Just spend $10-$30 on large canvas bags with those black boards on the bottom (ya know, so they stand up straight when you set them on a flat surface) and you'll only ever need 2-5 of them per shopping trip. If they get sticky or stinky, just throw them in the wash with your denim. They'll last as long as the stitching holds, which could be decades. All the stores I shop at give me a 5 cent credit per bag I use (Target, Whole Foods, Central Market). And Aldi doesn't even give out bags. You either buy some or bring your own. I novel business model!

Took me a few months to get into the habit of leaving them in my car. I've never looked back. I even have 2 tiny roll up fabric ones I throw in my purse for little shopping trips to the mall or pharmacy down the street.

If plastic bags were just plain outlawed, folks would always keep canvas and/or fabric bags on hand. Granted, we'd all have to actually BUY trash bags for our waste bins.... but then there'd be a drastic decline in the amount of plastic in the oceans. Which is pretty much the whole idea behind these policies and laws anyways.

/2 cents
 
2011-07-02 06:56:36 PM
Namahs: Stop getting your panties in a bunch, the bags are actually quite strong. They use them in most supermarkets in Italy now, I had NEVER had one break on me when I carry my groceries home. They dissolve in hot water, and even in boiling water it takes a long time (over 45min) before the bag begins to break down. In cold water, like condensation off of cold food, the bags would last a long time.

If the change in plastic bags is any indicator the stores will keep demanding cheaper bags that eventually dissolve in anything above 12% humidity.
 
2011-07-03 02:36:40 PM
100 Watt Walrus: All you geniuses who are so brilliant as to think these bags might dissolve from a little condensation or rain, you should call this company right now and apply for a job. I'm sure they'd be relieved to have someone like you around to think of things they couldn't possibly have taken into consideration. You could save them millions of dollars and a lot of embarrassment. Thank god there are people like you around to realize this stuff when obviously the people who make such bags have not.

I bow down before your mighty intellects.


You clearly know nothing about the stupidity that is SuperValu and all of it's child companies. They'll do anything to save a buck and think nothing about the Law of Unintended Consequences. I've done some remodels (design part) for roughly a dozen of their stores. The exact number I can't recall right now. They skimp on EVERYTHING they possibly can. It's part of the corporate culture. Since Albertsons is based out of the same town that WinCo is based out of they have firsthand knowledge of how badly they're getting their asses kicked daily. If they can save a buck with the cheapest bags possible they'll do it. And then when you biatch about it, they'll try to sell you their branded reusable bags for 3X what they're worth.

Shop at WinCo if you have one available. If not, wait a few years. They're expanding quickly.
 
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