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(American Thinker)   Congressman John Conyers (D-umbfounded) confused and frightened by increasing Congressional opinion to actually, GASP, cut the US budget   (americanthinker.com) divider line 209
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2011-07-01 10:58:20 AM
FTA: Those weren't Democrats he was referring to but Republican congressmen

Sounds more like he's more dumbfounded that anyone could be this self destructive to their own country.
 
2011-07-01 11:00:11 AM
That was a nice snip from an incomplete article. What was he exactly talking about?


The spending bill to fund the U.S. Department of Agriculture that passed the House recently included more than $2.7 billion in discretionary spending cuts. But the reduction that's created the biggest partisan brouhaha is one to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children that helps about 9 million nationally.

Michigan receives $194 million in WIC money that's dispersed through county agencies. The majority - $137 million - covers food grants; the rest goes to nutrition education, breastfeeding promotion, drug abuse education and other programs.

The threat to WIC money comes as the caseload in one Metro Detroit county has jumped. In Oakland County, those receiving WIC benefits is at an all-time high of 16,000 clients a month as residents have been hard hit by the economic downturn that has slammed Michigan.


Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, said Congress will have reached an "all time low" in his four decades in Washington if it passes such a budget plan.

"It is simply un-American, immoral, heartless and unconscionable to take food away from the mouths of hungry children in the name of deficit reduction," he said.


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110628/POLITICS02/106280366/WIC-funds-threatened-in -budget-fight#ixzz1QrkpddgA



From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110628/POLITICS02/106280366/WIC-funds-threatened-in -budget-fight#ixzz1QrkcyukS
 
2011-07-01 11:33:05 AM
Wait a farking minute! American Thinker took something completely out of context and twisted it to fit their narrow minded view?

What is this world coming to?
 
2011-07-01 11:47:47 AM
They want to circumsize the budget?
 
2011-07-01 11:48:22 AM
Let's reduce demand during a recession! That'll get the economy going again!

/just pointing out that even by their own rules they are insane.
 
2011-07-01 11:48:28 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: Wait a farking minute! American Thinker took something completely out of context and twisted it to fit their narrow minded view? What is this world coming to?


Don't you know? These are the endtimes. Obama's the Antichrist and the sky burns with the souls of the damned.

Duh.
 
2011-07-01 11:49:29 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: Wait a farking minute! American Thinker took something completely out of context and twisted it to fit their narrow minded view?

What is this world coming to?


And they had such high journalistic ethics up to this point.
 
2011-07-01 11:50:50 AM

Codenamechaz: FTA: Those weren't Democrats he was referring to but Republican congressmen

Sounds more like he's more dumbfounded that anyone could be this self destructive to their own country.


He should know by now that for Republicans politics trumps country every time.
 
2011-07-01 11:52:06 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-07-01 11:52:19 AM
Why is that crook still in office?
 
2011-07-01 11:53:54 AM
American Thinker links should automatically have the Satire tag pinned to it.
 
2011-07-01 11:54:05 AM

stirfrybry: Why is that crook still in office?


This!!!
 
2011-07-01 11:55:14 AM
John Conyer? There was this creepy looking cop flashing your baby pics around, asking if I'd seen you. Good thing he got the spelling wrong, amiright?
 
2011-07-01 11:55:22 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: Wait a farking minute! American Thinker took something completely out of context and twisted it to fit their narrow minded view?

What is this world coming to?


DING! DING! DING!

WINNAH!
 
2011-07-01 11:56:08 AM
farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2011-07-01 11:56:51 AM
FTFA: "As Conyers makes clear, this is a concept completely alien to Democrats."

As one person's single sentence makes clear, this philosophy is central to an entire population.
Help me out, which rhetorical fallacy is that?

Now the blogger likes the idea of trimming the budget, and believes that Rep. Conyers thinks that trimming anything is anathema. However, the "dangerous point of view" to which Conyers refers is "cut whatever, regardless of the effects, consequences, it doesn't matter because all programs are equal in value at $0."

A microeconomic equivalent would be establishing a personal budget, and you need to trim expenses by $250 per month. The "cut anything" idea would say it doesn't matter, take it out of your car payment, house payment, booze budget, or whatever. Consequences be damned.

If you don't think that the GOP has that "f*ck everyone, just cut" message, look at the debt ceiling talks.
 
2011-07-01 11:56:57 AM

HZS9PK: stirfrybry: Why is that crook still in office?

This!!!


Ah, the age old question since the days of senatorial Rome.
 
2011-07-01 11:57:17 AM
Obvious troll link is obvious.
 
2011-07-01 11:57:18 AM

mojodragon: John Conyer? There was this creepy looking cop flashing your baby pics around, asking if I'd seen you. Good thing he got the spelling wrong, amiright?


I giggled.
 
2011-07-01 11:57:57 AM
He's astounded by absolutism in politicians who by nature are conciliatory. Usually politicians who make take-it-or-leave-it demands don't last long.
 
2011-07-01 11:58:05 AM
Subby is part of the problem
 
2011-07-01 11:58:12 AM

stirfrybry: Why is that crook still in office?


Popularity? I don't know... what specific crimes has he committed? I'm not familiar with the man.
 
2011-07-01 11:59:01 AM
What would really be heartless, immoral, and un-American would be to implement a small increase in taxes on the rich.

Letting the poor starve is a time-honored tradition, but taxing Plutocrats is JUST CRAZY TALK!
 
2011-07-01 12:01:31 PM
His wife Monica Conyers is in jail at the moment for shenanigans while she held a seat on the Detroit City Council. She is rotten to the core, decades younger than John (lots of spec that she's a beard or has something on him), and a miserable human being in general.

Not that it has much to do with this particular statement by John, but there's something wrong with both of them. Like, deeply wrong. Google Monica Conyers if you want to see exactly what folks in the D had to deal with.. and John seems to think his wife's behavior isn't much of a big deal.

Like the Kilpatricks, the Conyers are pretty infamous in these parts.
 
2011-07-01 12:01:46 PM
It's like they care more about the country than their career! It's crazy talk!
 
2011-07-01 12:01:59 PM
Who read it to him?

/at least he's trying on the 'starving kids' angle (laughable as it is)
//I was tiring of the 'scare grandma' angle
 
2011-07-01 12:02:01 PM
Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, said Congress will have reached an "all time low" in his four decades in Washington if it passes such a budget plan.

"It is simply un-American, immoral, heartless and unconscionable to take food away from the mouths of hungry children in the name of deficit reduction," he said


I'll tell you what is "un-American" ---> turning to the government to feed you. Being an American means being an independent entity that contributes to the whole but does not expect or rely on others to keep one alive/functioning. You want food? You want survival? Go earn your way. Mother nature doesn't have a food-stamp plan for leaf-eaters, which is why animals migrate. There is no unemployment handout for any other living thing on earth, no severance package, no health care. They live and they die by their own efforts.

I personally don't mind such programs promoting breast feeding and giving out extra food when times are good and we can afford it. But it is abject nonsense to call it un-american to tighten one's belt and roll up the sleeves by spending less on that which truly does not matter and working on what does.
 
2011-07-01 12:03:27 PM
If you go on a job interview, try telling them that if they hire you the only thing you're going to focus on is reducing the power of the company interviewing you. This will work especially well if you're interviewing with the Red Cross, or a victim's rights organization. But feel free to interview for a defense contractor and tell them "I really want to see the company getting less government money". Check back and let us know what their response is.
 
2011-07-01 12:03:34 PM

Codenamechaz: FTA: Those weren't Democrats he was referring to but Republican congressmen

Sounds more like he's more dumbfounded that anyone could be this self destructive to their own country.


You sound like you were trying to say the Republicans were being destuctive and this Democrat was shocked so here I post the real quote with out cutting out the important part to confuse those who did not read the story.

"Those weren't Democrats he was referring to but Republican congressmen who have demonstrated their serious intent to do something about this economic crisis even if it costs them their jobs. "

//Your welcome
//Nice try
 
2011-07-01 12:03:48 PM
Is the Politics tab closed for the holiday?
 
2011-07-01 12:04:16 PM
It's this false narrative that "We're running out of money!! We have to CUT SPENDING NOW!!!".

No, we're not, and no, we don't.

It's not a case of mandatory cuts in social-net programs. It's a case where we need to increase revenue by returning tax rates to Pre-Reagan levels and reforming the tax code to close all the loopholes and dodges that the rich and big business use to avoid paying taxes year after year.
 
2011-07-01 12:04:46 PM

give me doughnuts: What would really be heartless, immoral, and un-American would be to implement a small increase in taxes on the rich.

Letting the poor starve is a time-honored tradition, but taxing Plutocrats is JUST CRAZY TALK!


My issue is more with the republican's refusal to even do the most obvious of increases. Such as removing oil subsides and forcing wall street guys to pay the same as everyone else.
 
2011-07-01 12:05:19 PM
The Democrats have offered $2 TRILLION in cuts. What the fark have the Republicans offered in return? Not one single tax increase or loophole closing.

A majority of Americans support a COMBINATION of budget cuts and tax increases. Why is the GOP against the will of the American people?
 
2011-07-01 12:05:49 PM

Big Man On Campus: Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, said Congress will have reached an "all time low" in his four decades in Washington if it passes such a budget plan.

"It is simply un-American, immoral, heartless and unconscionable to take food away from the mouths of hungry children in the name of deficit reduction," he said

I'll tell you what is "un-American" ---> turning to the government to feed you. Being an American means being an independent entity that contributes to the whole but does not expect or rely on others to keep one alive/functioning. You want food? You want survival? Go earn your way. Mother nature doesn't have a food-stamp plan for leaf-eaters, which is why animals migrate. There is no unemployment handout for any other living thing on earth, no severance package, no health care. They live and they die by their own efforts.

I personally don't mind such programs promoting breast feeding and giving out extra food when times are good and we can afford it. But it is abject nonsense to call it un-american to tighten one's belt and roll up the sleeves by spending less on that which truly does not matter and working on what does.


NEEDS MOAR BOOTSTRAPS.
 
2011-07-01 12:06:07 PM

Big Man On Campus: spending less on that which truly does not matter and working on what does.


So... feeding hungry children does not matter, but making sure tax cuts for the rich truly matters?
Jesus christ. You're insane. Probably psychotic.
 
2011-07-01 12:06:34 PM
It looks like the submitter is doing his part by cutting the "s" out of Congressional.
 
2011-07-01 12:07:30 PM

dahmers love zombie: If you go on a job interview, try telling them that if they hire you the only thing you're going to focus on is reducing the power of the company interviewing you. This will work especially well if you're interviewing with the Red Cross, or a victim's rights organization. But feel free to interview for a defense contractor and tell them "I really want to see the company getting less government money". Check back and let us know what their response is.


3/10

It's a good thing that you're elected by the public, rather than hired by the government, for these types of positions, then.
 
2011-07-01 12:08:49 PM

RanDomino: Let's reduce demand during a recession! That'll get the economy going again!

/just pointing out that even by their own rules they are insane.


You do realize raising taxes also reduces demand.
 
2011-07-01 12:09:01 PM

stpauler: That was a nice snip from an incomplete article. What was he exactly talking about?


The spending bill to fund the U.S. Department of Agriculture that passed the House recently included more than $2.7 billion in discretionary spending cuts. But the reduction that's created the biggest partisan brouhaha is one to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children that helps about 9 million nationally.

Michigan receives $194 million in WIC money that's dispersed through county agencies. The majority - $137 million - covers food grants; the rest goes to nutrition education, breastfeeding promotion, drug abuse education and other programs.

The threat to WIC money comes as the caseload in one Metro Detroit county has jumped. In Oakland County, those receiving WIC benefits is at an all-time high of 16,000 clients a month as residents have been hard hit by the economic downturn that has slammed Michigan.


Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, said Congress will have reached an "all time low" in his four decades in Washington if it passes such a budget plan.

"It is simply un-American, immoral, heartless and unconscionable to take food away from the mouths of hungry children in the name of deficit reduction," he said.

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110628/POLITICS02/106280366/WIC-funds-threatened-in -budget-fight#ixzz1QrkpddgA


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110628/POLITICS02/106280366/WIC-funds-threatened-in -budget-fight#ixzz1QrkcyukS


You see this is one of the things that is wrong with our government. 137 billion dollars for breast feeding promotion? Hello? You don't need to spend a single cent on that, women have been breast feeding kids since the dawn of man. Word of mouth will suffice. Nutrition education? Why you gotta spend so much money to teach people about healthy eating? Drug abuse education? Don't we already HAVE drug abuse eduction everywhere? Our politicians just tend to THROW money away without even considering if they are getting their money's worth. WIC is a good deal, it helps the poor from starving. But cuts are necessary.
 
2011-07-01 12:10:57 PM

SharkTrager: RanDomino: Let's reduce demand during a recession! That'll get the economy going again!

/just pointing out that even by their own rules they are insane.

You do realize raising taxes also reduces demand.


Raising taxes on those making $250k+ won't reduce demand. These people can already afford to buy everything they want.
 
2011-07-01 12:11:02 PM

SharkTrager: You do realize raising taxes also reduces demand


farking marginal propensity to consume; how does it work?
 
2011-07-01 12:11:10 PM
Poor people are actually more prone to be obese. They need less food, not more.
 
2011-07-01 12:11:43 PM

stirfrybry: Why is that crook still in office?


He;s got the magic D next to his name?
 
2011-07-01 12:11:52 PM
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2011-07-01 12:12:32 PM
We've tried tax cuts for the last 30 years. It's not farking working. It's killing this country. Fark the rich, tax them until they squeal like the pigwhores that they are.
 
2011-07-01 12:15:06 PM
Stealing from myself a few hundred threads ago:

First, we institute Trump's one-time wealth tax (approx. 25% of all wealth over 100 million per person).

Then we return to the tax tables as they were during Reagan's first term, after the Tax Reform Act of 1984. Indexed for inflation, of course., however, nobody is taxed on their FIRST $20,000 of income. Fair, because all taxpayers receive the credit. ALL income is taxed at this rate -- wages, interest, capital gains, and corporate.

We also remove the cap on Social Security and Medicare taxation, and put it on the "other" side. Nobody is payroll-taxed on their FIRST 20,000 of earned income -- No SS tax (Medicare goes away completely, see below), no income tax. Again, it's fair because everyone gets the payroll tax break it no matter their income level. Social Security payments will also be indexed to other income. After about $50,000, the Social Security payment is reduced (gradually) so that at $125,000, it goes away. Not permanently -- if your income dips down, Social Security comes back.

On the other side (because everyone has to share the pain, right?) we eliminate the Earned Income Tax Credit. No entity (individual or corporate) gets more money back from the IRS than they paid in income taxes during the year.

Single-payer. Nobody should have to choose between healthcare and food, OR (for those of you with aristocracy fetishes) have to choose between healthcare in their old age and being able to give their heirs something when they die.

Next, we pass a law stating that no company may engage in any political activity (donating to campaigns, lobbying, anything) unless that corporation pays at least 75% of the corporate income tax that they should have paid before deductions/loopholes/credits/etc. Any company that pays zero or a negative amount of corporate income tax during a calendar year is banned from engaging in any political activity for two years. And no, the righties don't get to pull the "well, then PEOPLE who don't pay taxes shouldn't get to vote". People are people, corporations are not, and we desperately need to ensure that this concept is fully embraced under law.

We then pass a law stating that any company that moves its operations overseas to a country with lower corporate taxes than the US must simply pay an import duty calculated to offset the loss to the federal government. Or they can decide not to have the US as customers at all. Either way works.
 
2011-07-01 12:15:11 PM
Cutting spending is dangerous.

According to Obama the first thing to go will be food safety and free money for college kids. Because those are the ONLY places in the budget where they can cut.

But then again, if all the kids are dying due to the lack of food safety, then there will be more college money for the survivors.

/I am glad they aren't cutting the Department of Oxygen.
 
2011-07-01 12:15:32 PM

shower_in_my_socks: The Democrats have offered $2 TRILLION in cuts.


So $2T over 10 years vs adding $1T per year to the budget since they took congress in 2006? What a deal!
 
2011-07-01 12:16:04 PM

Infernalist: We've tried tax cuts for the last 30 years. It's not farking working. It's killing this country. Fark the rich, tax them until they squeal like the pigwhores that they are.


The Republicans will cut until people are shooting each other in the streets. I think it's their fantasy.
 
2011-07-01 12:16:34 PM
When you give a tax cut or refund to the poor, they immediately spend it, creating jobs, generally boosting the economy.

When you give a tax cut to the rich, they put it in the bank and make interest off it, enabling the banks to make more loans. Poor people end up taking the loans to buy a car, house, etc., causing a lending bubble that eventually bursts, sending the economy further into a downward spiral.

/trickle-down economics is a lie
 
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