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(Reason Magazine)   Hey marijuana activists...(sigh) stop giggling and look at the Twinkie, see the Twinkie? Good, now focus ... foooocus, question for you: How's that Hope and Change thing working out for you?   (reason.com) divider line 230
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2011-07-01 08:37:14 AM
Pretty good actually. the DEA's heavy handed actions against authorized medical cannabis facilities has been something of a disaster for them. Not only does it cost them MILLIONS to do, the DEA now has to get into a territorial pissing match every time they want to run one of those raids. Additionally, they have to go on their little raids without the support of local law enforcement.

so not only are the feds losing the propaganda war, they're also pissing off state and local authorities and spending twice as much as they normally would all to accomplish have as much. overall, a win/win situation. Even the DEA can't keep up the pace forever.
 
2011-07-01 08:42:03 AM
How's that spending tens of billions of dollars, giving the government massive powers to detain, arrest, confiscate property, and violate the Fourth Amendment rights of American citizens, while at the same time stifling job creation, expansion of the tax base, in addition to fermenting a civil war on our southern border working out for you, Prohibitionists?
 
2011-07-01 09:03:38 AM
Stop asking that question. The answer is still "He's better than Bush, better than McCain, better than Palin."

Also, you blog sucks.
 
2011-07-01 09:08:43 AM
I'm sorry, but did Barack Obama run on a marijuana legalization platform? Did anyone who voted for Barack Obama do so with the belief that he would be ending the federal "War on Drugs"? Anyone?
 
2011-07-01 09:22:45 AM
Subby needs better drugs.
 
2011-07-01 09:27:43 AM
Are republicans trying to suppress the stoner vote? Aim high guys, reach for the stars.
 
2011-07-01 09:31:57 AM
kronicfeld: I'm sorry, but did Barack Obama run on a marijuana legalization platform? Did anyone who voted for Barack Obama do so with the belief that he would be ending the federal "War on Drugs"? Anyone?

I don't think anyone in this country can tell the truth about the war on drugs and still get elected to office.
 
2011-07-01 09:55:15 AM
Liberals getting hurt feelings in thread. Get the popcorn and count the number of people attacking sub by or blaming the reps.
 
2011-07-01 09:59:59 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: Liberals getting hurt feelings in thread. Get the popcorn and count the number of people attacking sub by or blaming the reps.

why do you always assume that opposition to the sham war on drugs can ONLY come from 'libruls'? conservatives should be appalled at the way it's destroyed our 4th and 5th amendment rights.
 
2011-07-01 10:01:27 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: Liberals getting hurt feelings in thread. Get the popcorn and count the number of people attacking sub by or blaming the reps.

In this thread: A supposed small government, individual liberty loving conservative will support massive government spending, and increasing the government's authority over the lives of the citizens.
 
2011-07-01 10:11:11 AM
Huh huh huh huh. It's cuz potsmokers giggle and eat junk food when they get the munchies. That's the joke.
 
2011-07-01 10:12:01 AM
Personally I'd Hope that the Change wouldn't be legalizing a stupid plant that people want to roll up in a piece of paper.

/Jesus Christ, you idiots find a reason to be addicted to smoking; not weed, but smoking.
 
2011-07-01 10:12:08 AM
Reason used to be a decent magazine. Now it's just another Right Wing Shill sheet.
 
2011-07-01 10:13:26 AM
Weaver95: SouthernManDunWrong: Liberals getting hurt feelings in thread. Get the popcorn and count the number of people attacking sub by or blaming the reps.

why do you always assume that opposition to the sham war on drugs can ONLY come from 'libruls'? conservatives anyone should be appalled at the way it's destroyed our 4th and 5th amendment rights.
 
2011-07-01 10:13:46 AM
Tatsuhiko: Personally I'd Hope that the Change wouldn't be legalizing a stupid plant that people want to roll up in a piece of paper.

Because prohibition is going so well? You're just really, really pleased with the way things are going?
 
2011-07-01 10:14:06 AM
That's a big Twinkie.
 
2011-07-01 10:14:32 AM
If you didn't know Obama's position on weed was going to be shiatty when he laughed off the legalization question like a condescending asshole during that online Q&A thing you have not really been paying attention.
 
2011-07-01 10:14:56 AM
Weaver95: SouthernManDunWrong: Liberals getting hurt feelings in thread. Get the popcorn and count the number of people attacking sub by or blaming the reps.

why do you always assume that opposition to the sham war on drugs can ONLY come from 'libruls'? conservatives should be appalled at the way it's destroyed our 4th and 5th amendment rights.


You of all people should know that conservatives aren't really conservative. They're totalitarian and use the label conservative like a brand name.
 
2011-07-01 10:15:00 AM
Tatsuhiko: Personally I'd Hope that the Change wouldn't be legalizing a stupid plant that people want to roll up in a piece of paper.

/Jesus Christ, you idiots find a reason to be addicted to smoking; not weed, but smoking.


Why is it a stupid plant? What plants do you consider particularly intelligent?
 
2011-07-01 10:15:02 AM
Its cute when the same people that defended Bush as a great president, compare him to Obama when they try to explain why Obama is a bad president.
 
2011-07-01 10:15:14 AM
You'd think conservatives would support smaller government and greater personal freedom. Oh well.
 
2011-07-01 10:16:54 AM
Aarontology: SouthernManDunWrong: Liberals getting hurt feelings in thread. Get the popcorn and count the number of people attacking sub by or blaming the reps.

In this thread: A supposed small government, individual liberty loving conservative will support massive government spending, and increasing the government's authority over the lives of the citizens.


Not to mention deprivation of property and liberty.

But it's okay, because everyone who smokes weed is a hippie, and we need to make damnsure hippies can't vote.

I always wonder, when I read that person's handle, if he's confessing or whining.
 
2011-07-01 10:17:08 AM
Tatsuhiko: Personally I'd Hope that the Change wouldn't be legalizing a stupid plant that people want to roll up in a piece of paper.

/Jesus Christ, you idiots find a reason to be addicted to smoking; not weed, but smoking.


let the trolling begin! and only 2nd liter post deep, time to eject.
 
2011-07-01 10:17:55 AM
I don't even care which side you are--and I don't smoke pot. Going after pot smokers simply defies logic. Why? I'd rather have someone stoned and driving than drunk any day. I'd rather have someone stoned on a street corner than drunk any way. The drug is simply so much less damaging. Leave it the fark alone, righty or lefty.
 
2011-07-01 10:18:03 AM
Obama specifically promised that his DOJ would not prosecute marijuana cases where it's legal under state law.

How the heck is he ANY different than Bush on non-economic policy? Or what McCain would have been? Civil Liberties? War? War on Some Drugs? What exactly is different between Obama's presidency and Bush's presidency?
 
2011-07-01 10:18:19 AM
protectyourlimbs: Its cute when the same people that defended Bush as a great president,

I bet you can't find anyone who'd admit ever defending Bush as a great President. Just ask them and they'll tell you. See? Case closed.
 
2011-07-01 10:18:36 AM
Working out great.

Decriminalized in my state, and it's easily available. I don't deal in quantities that would ever interest the feds anyway.
 
2011-07-01 10:18:42 AM
Detinwolf: You'd think conservatives would support smaller government and greater personal freedom. Oh well.

They support their use as slogans. That's sort of the same as supporting them as guiding principles, right?

atomic-age: I always wonder, when I read that person's handle, if he's confessing or whining.

Whining.
 
2011-07-01 10:18:51 AM
protectyourlimbs: Its cute when the same people that defended Bush as a great president, compare him to Obama when they try to explain why Obama is a bad president.

which same people?
 
2011-07-01 10:19:16 AM
Remember kids: Small government and states rights unless it has anything to do with guns, god or intoxicants. If it involves guns, god or intoxicants, we must empower the government to completely take over your life.
 
2011-07-01 10:20:27 AM
Riiiiiiight all the pot devotees voted Democrat. not that they maybe voted for a minor libertarian candidate or smoked the ballot or stayed at home because voting for the candidate of one of the two controlling parties made no difference in their cause whatsoever. Like anyone who becomes president isn't just another puppet with the military-industrial complex hand up their ass.
 
2011-07-01 10:20:47 AM
kronicfeld: I'm sorry, but did Barack Obama run on a marijuana legalization platform? Did anyone who voted for Barack Obama do so with the belief that he would be ending the federal "War on Drugs"? Anyone?

www.mediaite.com
 
2011-07-01 10:20:47 AM
Weaver95: so not only are the feds losing the propaganda war, they're also pissing off state and local authorities and spending twice as much as they normally would all to accomplish have as much. overall, a win/win situation. Even the DEA can't keep up the pace forever.


They aren't spending their own money, they can just ask for more. They can scream "terrorism" and have money shoveled at them.
 
2011-07-01 10:22:24 AM
number8: Obama specifically promised that his DOJ would not prosecute marijuana cases where it's legal under state law.

How the heck is he ANY different than Bush on non-economic policy? Or what McCain would have been? Civil Liberties? War? War on Some Drugs? What exactly is different between Obama's presidency and Bush's presidency?


They wear different colored ties.
 
2011-07-01 10:22:30 AM
Hey marijuana smokers. You usually have a pretty decent grasp on your feelings. Remember when Bush was in charge? Remember every time you clicked over to the Politics tab you were already primed for a heart attack? Remember how much you really, truly felt about the Bush Administration? Now think about how you feel when you click to Politics. Is it better or worse?
 
2011-07-01 10:22:30 AM
atomic-age: Not to mention deprivation of property and liberty.

Yep. You can use your car to help you commit any crime and they won't confiscate it. But if you use it to buy weed, well... that car now belongs to the state.
 
2011-07-01 10:23:07 AM
Well, if the hydro stores around here and my friends with caretaker licenses are any indication it's going just fine.

[shrug]

I don't smoke, but my new-favorite hydro+conventional garden store gives the SO and I their10% caretaker discount anyway (I suspect because we're nice and polite)... plus it's a helluva lot easier for me to get liquid fertilizers and other assorted things that go with container gardening... and competition is driving the price down on some things as well as plenty of coupons in the alternative weeklies... so yeah, I'm fine.

trotsky: Reason used to be a decent magazine. Now it's just another Right Wing Shill sheet.

This. I used to actually like reading it because the articles challenged things I believed in (and if I can't defend my own position on something adequately I'm damn well gonna reassess why I have that position to begin with). I picked it up a few times recently from a friend with a scrip and it was just sad. Before you couldn't tell with a casual flip-through what side of the ideological spectrum they were on because the articles were fairly well reasoned (sigh). Now it's glaringly obvious.
 
2011-07-01 10:23:21 AM
In fact, Obama's crackdown on medical marijuana is, if anything, more aggressive than Bush's, with more frequent raids, IRS audits that threaten to put dispensaries out of business, forfeiture threats to dispensaries' landlords, and direct interference in the legislative process by U.S. attorneys. This is certainly not what voters thought they were getting when they heard Obama repeatedly promise to change course on this issue."

As someone who regularly frequented California MM dispenseries, both under the Bush/Ashcroft and Obama eras, I have to say bull .... farking ....... shiat.
 
2011-07-01 10:23:36 AM
I got some dank bud waiting at home and there's only 6 more hours til quitting time.

Burn, baby, burn! DissssCo inferno!
 
2011-07-01 10:23:56 AM
medically legal in NV, but the feds LOVE Vegas raids.
 
2011-07-01 10:24:22 AM
number8: Obama specifically promised that his DOJ would not prosecute marijuana cases where it's legal under state law.

How the heck is he ANY different than Bush on non-economic policy? Or what McCain would have been? Civil Liberties? War? War on Some Drugs? What exactly is different between Obama's presidency and Bush's presidency?


A "D" next to his name instead of an "R"

Obama has been as bad as Bush or worse when it comes to federal power. Ignoring congress, whistle blower prosecutions, civil liberties, several new wars etc etc etc. And the best part is now that both parties have done it, it becomes accepted washington ethos.
 
2011-07-01 10:24:47 AM
chemical_angel: Remember kids: Small government and states rights unless it has anything to do with guns, god or intoxicants. If it involves guns, god or intoxicants, we must empower the government to completely take over your life.

Don't forget sex and reproduction, and who you can fall in love with.

Amazing how long the list gets when you start to think about it.
 
2011-07-01 10:25:07 AM
President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder are reneging on their promises to respect state law

Obama reneged. He's a reneger. This is an outrage!!
 
2011-07-01 10:25:20 AM
Obama's a tool.

/Decriminalize it...
 
2011-07-01 10:25:35 AM
Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Now think about how you feel when you click to Politics. Is it better or worse?

Yeah, but that's more to do with the enormous number of heinously moronic cretins that comment there. You've been there right? Some of those chumps make the sandwich I just ate for lunch look like Einstein's smarter brother.
 
2011-07-01 10:25:58 AM
PonceAlyosha: Why is it a stupid plant? What plants do you consider particularly intelligent?

My Hydrangea can talk. But it can't do calculus so I don't consider it that intelligent.

/You ever hear a Hydrangea cry?
 
2011-07-01 10:26:37 AM
TimonC346: I don't even care which side you are--and I don't smoke pot. Going after pot smokers simply defies logic. Why? I'd rather have someone stoned and driving than drunk any day. I'd rather have someone stoned on a street corner than drunk any way. The drug is simply so much less damaging. Leave it the fark alone, righty or lefty.

This.

Going after the larger traffickers, fine.

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Hey marijuana smokers. You usually have a pretty decent grasp on your feelings. Remember when Bush was in charge? Remember every time you clicked over to the Politics tab you were already primed for a heart attack? Remember how much you really, truly felt about the Bush Administration? Now think about how you feel when you click to Politics. Is it better or worse?

Moot point. I know better than to click on the Politics tab.

I do know, however, that at the very least it's nice having an intelligent, educated adult in the White House, even when he makes decisions I disagree with. Bush was just effing embarrassing.
 
2011-07-01 10:26:46 AM
Guess what folks? The law enforcement/prison industry which has been created by the War On Drugs is now "too big to fail". That's the real reason that pot is still illegal.

Legalize it, and lots of people are suddenly out of work.

On the other hand, if we gave up fighting this silly war on drugs, we could re-allocate all of that money to really enforcing our immigration laws...
 
2011-07-01 10:27:26 AM
PonceAlyosha: Tatsuhiko: Personally I'd Hope that the Change wouldn't be legalizing a stupid plant that people want to roll up in a piece of paper.

/Jesus Christ, you idiots find a reason to be addicted to smoking; not weed, but smoking.

Why is it a stupid plant? What plants do you consider particularly intelligent?


He was regularly beaten in test scores by an aubergine and a tulip and those farking daffodils were so smart they graduated early while he stayed back a year.
 
2011-07-01 10:27:35 AM
Murphyr: Tatsuhiko: Personally I'd Hope that the Change wouldn't be legalizing a stupid plant that people want to roll up in a piece of paper.

Because prohibition is going so well? You're just really, really pleased with the way things are going?


Actually, I find it better than if it was legalized. Sure, the people that don't smoke probably wouldn't if it was legalized, but I seriously don't need the cigarette smokers that already crowd bus stops and outside offices to puff out something else and act all retarded everywhere.

And about the millions spent on this, everyone knows if they didn't spend it on the War on Drugs, they'd spend it some other retarded place. If education was more important than this to them, they would have already put more in the education budget.

/Also wouldn't stop the drug cartels in Mexico.
//And American farms would make your weed shiattier with pesticides.
 
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