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2011-06-30 05:23:29 PM  
vectorb 2011-06-30 03:24:35 PM
As an 8 year lifeguard



I read that as "8 year old lifeguard" - long day.....
 
2011-06-30 05:27:12 PM  

Shenanigans!: Pumpernickel bread:
Not to trample on anyone's grave, but what was she thinking...going down a slide into 12' of water when she doesn't know how to swim?

Something along the lines of: "What's the worst that can happen? I drown, my body lingers at the bottom of this cloudy pool, and then they finally find my body two days later? Nah, I'm sure I'll be fine in 12 feet of water, even though I don't know how to swim...WHEEE!"


One of the reasons I suspect (legal or illegal) substances may have been involved is that she was missing from Sunday afternoon to Tuesday night and her friends and family apparently never reported her missing. There is a wide swath of FAIL in this story.
 
2011-06-30 05:28:21 PM  

december: the fox station for boston is all over this story

Link (new window)


Cripes, she wasn't even reported missing.
 
2011-06-30 05:30:12 PM  

fusillade762: none of whom noticed the body under 12 feet of water.

It wasn't until Tuesday night, when some kids broke into the Veteran's Memorial swimming pool and found Joseph's body floating in the pool.

Wait, I thought dead bodies floated initially, THEN sank; not the other way around?


Nope, other way around. Colder the water, the longer they stay down. As the body starts to decay, gasses build up inside that cause it to float.
 
2011-06-30 05:30:15 PM  

NeedleGuy: Cripes, she wasn't even reported missing.


Well duh...everyone knew she was doing laps in the pool...
 
2011-06-30 05:31:11 PM  

december: the fox station for boston is all over this story

Link (new window)


Jesus, soon as the bottom drops into the deep end it looks like a bowl of milk.

I bet they know this now too and looking for a way to give very sternly givsn paid week long suspensions for killing a person.
 
2011-06-30 05:32:03 PM  
Who lets their kids swim in water that cloudy? I'm no helicopter mom of my own snowflakes (well, little flakes anyway), but if a pool has to be that chlorinated then hell no.
 
2011-06-30 05:33:08 PM  

hestheone: Well, the inspectors did say the water was cloudy.....

But seriously, someone goes down the pool slide holding a kid and is never seen again? In a crowded pool? Time dimension portal?


there's a lot we aren't hearing

/if the body really was there two days there are not words to describe the level of Fail embodied by all of the people involved with this incident
 
2011-06-30 05:36:34 PM  

styckx: The video cap pool water is still too cloudy. Those blue lines are only barely visible in what I assume is 3ft of water.


The far end of that lap section could be deeper. Based on the layout, the bottom probably slopes downward toward the deep end. It's probably 6 ft deep or so on that side. But even the lines at the shallow side are barely visible.

And I can only pick out 3 lifeguard stands for that whole pool... Even assuming there is a guard at the top of the water slide, that's at least 2 fewer than there should be.
 
2011-06-30 05:38:52 PM  

Hairy_Potter: Wow. It's like they are swimming in blue milk.


images.wikia.com
 
2011-06-30 05:41:34 PM  

Shenanigans!: Pumpernickel bread:
Not to trample on anyone's grave, but what was she thinking...going down a slide into 12' of water when she doesn't know how to swim?

Something along the lines of: "What's the worst that can happen? I drown, my body lingers at the bottom of this cloudy pool, and then they finally find my body two days later? Nah, I'm sure I'll be fine in 12 feet of water, even though I don't know how to swim...WHEEE!"


The last article said she slipped and fell onto the slide.

My initial comment from yesterday was wondering why they left a woman who couldn't swim in charge of watching a 9-year-old at the pool. Especially considering the sh*tty quality of the lifeguards.
 
2011-06-30 05:44:49 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: fusillade762: none of whom noticed the body under 12 feet of water.

It wasn't until Tuesday night, when some kids broke into the Veteran's Memorial swimming pool and found Joseph's body floating in the pool.

Wait, I thought dead bodies floated initially, THEN sank; not the other way around?

Nope, other way around. Colder the water, the longer they stay down. As the body starts to decay, gasses build up inside that cause it to float.


So he's been weighing them down all this time for no reason?

media.ifc.com
 
2011-06-30 05:46:01 PM  
I saw this on the X-Files.
She was invisible.
 
2011-06-30 06:12:38 PM  

AlanSmithee: Little known fact: when black people drown, they become transparent.


Keyboard. Send one please.
 
2011-06-30 06:13:51 PM  
OK, so far we've got:

- woman drowns, none of the lifeguards notice
- kid (says he) told lifeguard, lifeguard doesn't care
- kid doesn't bother telling anyone else
- no one asks why the kid went home by himself when the woman was supposed to be with him
- hundreds of other swimmers Sun/Mon/Tues don't notice there's a dead body in the water
- staff find her id etc. and realize there's a missing person but don't see her in the pool
- cops show up about id and also don't see here in the pool
- pool inspectors don't see her in the pool
- pool cleaners don't see her in the pool
- she's finally found by people who broke into pool area and weren't even supposed to be there

This is the biggest WTF story of the year so far, IMO.

The only possible explanations are that she was murdered elsewhere and dumped in the pool later, or her body was trapped in some previously unknown hidden area in/near the pool, or the entire farkin town was lobotomized at some point, or her swimsuit was actually a cloak of invisibility AND the kid she was with is evil.
 
2011-06-30 06:14:20 PM  

bud jones: where i grew up, the public pool is a big ass pond that once had the bottom paved. you can't see the bottom, which is 20 ft down in the middle. a body could be under the big floating swim dock anchored in the middle.

not every "public pool" is an Olympic style rectangle with highly chlorinated water.....

but having seen the pictures of the pool in question, wtf?!?!


You're seeing the pool AFTER a body decomposed in it for two days. Could have been clear on the day in question.
 
2011-06-30 06:28:05 PM  

fusillade762: My initial comment from yesterday was wondering why they left a woman who couldn't swim in charge of watching a 9-year-old at the pool. Especially considering the sh*tty quality of the lifeguards.


True...but also, apparently she was known to get into the pool even though she couldn't swim. In that pic earlier in the thread, she seems pretty comfortable in the water and is holding a small kid in the pool. So I guess they figured she could handle herself around the pool?

When I first read this story yesterday, I thought there had to be foul play here, because how could EVERY SINGLE character who comes into this story be THAT phenomenally stupid? And yet it seems they are: the friends, the boy's parents, the boy, the lifeguards, the other pool patrons, the "pool inspectors," and the victim herself...all the most incredible idiots I've ever heard of. Maybe that cloudiness in the water is Liquid Stupid that's been absorbed by everyone who comes into contact with that pool?
 
2011-06-30 06:32:56 PM  

zabadu: bud jones: where i grew up, the public pool is a big ass pond that once had the bottom paved. you can't see the bottom, which is 20 ft down in the middle. a body could be under the big floating swim dock anchored in the middle.

not every "public pool" is an Olympic style rectangle with highly chlorinated water.....

but having seen the pictures of the pool in question, wtf?!?!

You're seeing the pool AFTER a body decomposed in it for two days. Could have been clear on the day in question.


from what I understand this picture is of the lady in question at the pool on the day she died:
media2.myfoxboston.com

That's some pretty cloudy water. You can't see the bottom at three feet.
 
2011-06-30 06:33:00 PM  
I used to dive off the boards when I was 10 and swim to the other end of the olympic sized pool, holding my breath all the way. While the lifeguard flirted with the hunk of the day, and never once became concerned that a body entered and did not exit.

Maybe they have a good view, but if they weren't watching when I entered the water, they wouldn't have missed me.

Hit my head on the bottom a few times off the high dive, might have gone unconscious or something now that I think about it.
 
2011-06-30 06:56:38 PM  

Shenanigans!: fusillade762: My initial comment from yesterday was wondering why they left a woman who couldn't swim in charge of watching a 9-year-old at the pool. Especially considering the sh*tty quality of the lifeguards.

True...but also, apparently she was known to get into the pool even though she couldn't swim. In that pic earlier in the thread, she seems pretty comfortable in the water and is holding a small kid in the pool. So I guess they figured she could handle herself around the pool?

When I first read this story yesterday, I thought there had to be foul play here, because how could EVERY SINGLE character who comes into this story be THAT phenomenally stupid? And yet it seems they are: the friends, the boy's parents, the boy, the lifeguards, the other pool patrons, the "pool inspectors," and the victim herself...all the most incredible idiots I've ever heard of. Maybe that cloudiness in the water is Liquid Stupid that's been absorbed by everyone who comes into contact with that pool?


Keyboard. You know the drill.
 
2011-06-30 06:58:40 PM  

PunkRockLawyer: OK, so far we've got:

- woman drowns, none of the lifeguards notice
- kid (says he) told lifeguard, lifeguard doesn't care
- kid doesn't bother telling anyone else
- no one asks why the kid went home by himself when the woman was supposed to be with him
- hundreds of other swimmers Sun/Mon/Tues don't notice there's a dead body in the water
- staff find her id etc. and realize there's a missing person but don't see her in the pool
- cops show up about id and also don't see here in the pool
- pool inspectors don't see her in the pool
- pool cleaners don't see her in the pool
- she's finally found by people who broke into pool area and weren't even supposed to be there

This is the biggest WTF story of the year so far, IMO.

The only possible explanations are that she was murdered elsewhere and dumped in the pool later, or her body was trapped in some previously unknown hidden area in/near the pool, or the entire farkin town was lobotomized at some point, or her swimsuit was actually a cloak of invisibility AND the kid she was with is evil.

Add to that: kid reports missing mom, is ignored. Then gives up? Finds his way home. Tells his dad? Ignored again, gives up again. Two days pass no one in the family looks for her?
 
2011-06-30 07:10:22 PM  
Wouldn't she have released her bowels into that water? How could you miss that?

/Baby Ruth
 
2011-06-30 07:12:14 PM  
i'm hoping for a denouement that involves a secret twin sister who was having an affair with the husband of the dead woman, and the 9 year old turns out to be a midget named Falcon who was hired for the scheme, but who will mysteriously disappear when it turns out that he has gambling debts owed to ... the pool inspector!
 
2011-06-30 07:14:20 PM  

TheGogmagog:
Add to that: kid reports missing mom, is ignored. Then gives up? Finds his way home. Tells his dad? Ignored again, gives up again. Two days pass no one in the family looks for her?


She wasn't his mom, just his supposed temporary-caretaker. The kid's the only one here I'm willing to cut some slack, since you never know how a nine year old's brain-wiring is going to work at the best of times: "I notified a Responsible Adult, the RA didn't do anything, so, I guess we're OK then! I'll go play!"
 
2011-06-30 07:28:05 PM  

MDGeist: Hell the boyfriend's reaction on the news alone should make people realize he snuffed the poor woman and threw her in the pool.


video link?
 
2011-06-30 07:48:11 PM  

december: i'm hoping for a denouement that involves a secret twin sister who was having an affair with the husband of the dead woman, and the 9 year old turns out to be a midget named Falcon who was hired for the scheme, but who will mysteriously disappear when it turns out that he has gambling debts owed to ... the pool inspector!


That preposterous scenario is 1000x more plausible than what may have actually happened here.
 
2011-06-30 07:59:38 PM  
Goddammit, Fall River... Why is it that the only time you make the national news it's for something monumentally stupid as this?

/live in FR, born and raised. Don't hate me for it, I'm the exception to the rule.
 
2011-06-30 08:28:32 PM  
Her clothing, cell phone and driver's license were left behind on Sunday. And that didn't raise any flags either.
 
2011-06-30 08:38:19 PM  

NeedleGuy: Her clothing, cell phone and driver's license were left behind on Sunday. And that didn't raise any flags either.


With the monumental amount of fail that we already know took place, I think it's safe to say at this point that this woman could've been floating face down in broad day light and someone would've stuck a sail her in back and road her around the pool.
 
2011-06-30 08:39:37 PM  
I'm a health inspector and I always check for dead bodies when I inspect. I wouldn't feel right about marking them "in" for Absence of Corpses category if I wasn't sure.
 
2011-06-30 08:42:11 PM  

rhodabear: Wouldn't she have released her bowels into that water? How could you miss that?

/Baby Ruth


Weeeelllllllll, perhaps that should be the case, but speaking from personal experience of going to public pools while on the rag with a very heavy flow, the water pressure seems to keep it inside. For the time underwater. But once you get out a gloppy red volcano is released. How embarrassing.
 
2011-06-30 09:54:17 PM  

PunkRockLawyer: OK, so far we've got:

- woman drowns, none of the lifeguards notice
- kid (says he) told lifeguard, lifeguard doesn't care
- kid doesn't bother telling anyone else
- no one asks why the kid went home by himself when the woman was supposed to be with him
- hundreds of other swimmers Sun/Mon/Tues don't notice there's a dead body in the water
- staff find her id etc. and realize there's a missing person but don't see her in the pool
- cops show up about id and also don't see here in the pool
- pool inspectors don't see her in the pool
- pool cleaners don't see her in the pool
- she's finally found by people who broke into pool area and weren't even supposed to be there

This is the biggest WTF story of the year so far, IMO.

The only possible explanations are that she was murdered elsewhere and dumped in the pool later, or her body was trapped in some previously unknown hidden area in/near the pool, or the entire farkin town was lobotomized at some point, or her swimsuit was actually a cloak of invisibility AND the kid she was with is evil.


The worst part is that everyone who is familiar with the area is saying, "It's Fall River..." as if that explains the Mystery of God.
 
2011-06-30 10:24:34 PM  
Here, comes, the lolsuits.

Tasha Stokes said it was white. (the water)

"We went swimming in that water. There were little kids drinking that water," said Stokes. "I'm shocked. I was swimming in water with a dead person. I think I have a lawsuit on my hands."
 
2011-06-30 10:58:47 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: Goddammit, Fall River... Why is it that the only time you make the national news it's for something monumentally stupid as this?

/live in FR, born and raised. Don't hate me for it, I'm the exception to the rule.


Fall River wasn't always like this as I'm sure you know if you've lived here your entire life. When they opened the flood gates from the ghettos near Boston and they all flocked to Fall River the city was farked.
 
2011-06-30 10:58:52 PM  

Murphyr: stvyrayvhn: No, in the police spoke to the boy and he said he tried to tell someone but was ignored. Here's a link to the original story Link (new window)

So the lifeguards not only didn't notice a woman "falling" down the water slide and not emerging from the water, but when the kid tried to tell them that someone who couldn't swim was in the water and hadn't come back up, they ignored him rather than doing anything at all.

Hell, that's their only responsibility. That's all they're supposed to do.


Of course, if you believe that part, you also have to believe that the family/friends that were there with her and the boy had a great day at the pool, went home without her, and nobody asked "Where is she", Of they did ask "Where is she?" and the boy said "She went down the slide and never came up" and they still just went home without checking it out, etc.

Even with something like that, over 2 days, someone is going to be swimming and notice a body. Nobody dives to the bottom of the pool? What happened to throwing stuff in and the kids swim down to get it?

I hate to use the term "fishy", but....
 
2011-06-30 11:23:19 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I'm a health inspector and I always check for dead bodies when I inspect. I wouldn't feel right about marking them "in" for Absence of Corpses category if I wasn't sure.


So, would you say you're getting a kick out of these replies?
 
2011-07-01 12:40:27 AM  

Murphyr: stvyrayvhn: No, in the police spoke to the boy and he said he tried to tell someone but was ignored. Here's a link to the original story Link (new window)

So the lifeguards not only didn't notice a woman "falling" down the water slide and not emerging from the water, but when the kid tried to tell them that someone who couldn't swim was in the water and hadn't come back up, they ignored him rather than doing anything at all.

Hell, that's their only responsibility. That's all they're supposed to do.



well with water that cloady there's no way I'd be diving in to execute a grid search looking for a missing person... gross!!
 
2011-07-01 01:12:18 AM  
Subby...

Meh, fark it, whatever. Punctuate all willy-nilly-like if you wish.
 
2011-07-01 03:26:37 AM  

JuggleGeek: Of course, if you believe that part, you also have to believe that the family/friends that were there with her and the boy had a great day at the pool, went home without her, and nobody asked "Where


Well, looking at the pool in the video, it appears as if the deep end has only one divider for the slide. Which would mean that it might be a "no swim area except for the slide" so people don't get hit. This would also mean that no one could dive to the bottom without getting in trouble. (Not to mention, it wouldn't be a good idea with water that cloudly, and a drain that can't be seen.)

/is still leaning toward murder.
 
2011-07-01 05:53:29 AM  

Bullroarer_Took: Subby...

Meh, fark it, whatever. Punctuate all willy-nilly-like if you wish.


I think it was more pell-mell than willy-nilly.
 
2011-07-01 06:49:59 AM  

styckx: There were little kids drinking that water


Ewww... Who the fark drinks pool water?! I don't care if there's a dead body in the pool or not... That'd be the least of my concerns...
 
2011-07-01 07:14:25 AM  

Jackson Herring: keylock_71, what the hell man. What the hell.


What can I say... This story is just pathetic regardless of what the actual facts are... Whether it's just negligence or something more sinister.

I used to swim there a lot when I was a kid, too.

It's such a bizarre story.

Jackson Herring: Jake Havechek: I'd like to state for the record that the only town in MA that people make fun of more than Haverhill is Fall River. They are not very bright out there.

Ah blow it out your ass. I'll take Fall River over every single shiatty Boston or Worcester suburb.


...and thanks. Like I said in the other thread, there are a lot of folks in this city working hard to make it a better place to live. Unfortunately, there are still a lot of shiatbirds here, too.

And again, I invite anyone making disparaging remarks about Fall River to take a trip down here and I'll happily buy you a few beers and show you it's not the shiat hole people (some of them residents) and the media would have you believe. (Pics of Fall River in my profile if anyone is interested)
 
2011-07-01 07:28:26 AM  

styckx: Here, comes, the lolsuits.

Tasha Stokes said it was white. (the water)

"We went swimming in that water. There were little kids drinking that water," said Stokes. "I'm shocked. I was swimming in water with a dead person. I think I have a lawsuit on my hands."


Yep... Our short-sighted politicians in the 70s saw all the money they would get by building a lot of Section 8 and letting the State place people on waiting lists in other cities here in Fall River and basically turned the city into a dumping ground.

The majority of the folks living in the projects now aren't even from Fall River... They have no ties to the area or community and act as such.

Luckily, the city is closing and demolishing some of the projects. It's a slow process, though.

We've got a lot of work to do here still... Heroin is still a huge problem. Unemployment is high. The apathy amongst many of the residents is shameful. But many of us haven't given up just yet...

There's still plenty of good folks and good things in this city.
 
2011-07-01 02:32:05 PM  
Marco......Marco.......Marco?????
 
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