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(Some Guy)   Only the military and law enforcement should have "assault weapons" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid, like leave one unattended on the trunk of a patrol car   (slog.thestranger.com) divider line 124
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2011-06-28 11:54:26 PM
Actually, I don't think cops or military should have them either (except in a war zone, or in training for war)
 
2011-06-28 11:55:07 PM

steamingpile: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, I just enlarged the avatar... and uh, yeah. Bad times.

So you did what I did and finally came to that conclusion?

I am waiting on an apology sir!


You have my sincerest apologies, my good man.
 
2011-06-28 11:59:00 PM
Regardless, Whitcomb says the officers didn't break any laws.

Really? so while some person gets busted and jailed for leaving his gun on the couch(without a trigger lock) and the possibility that his kids might play with it, somehow the police are immune from the laws.


/Well the Seattle police can murder without being charged and jailed. and thats the law.
 
2011-06-29 12:03:01 AM

xmasbaby: Was it a semi-automatic assault revolver?


www.imfdb.org

Single action, but may be classified as an "assault revolver". Or AK-47 to the media.
 
2011-06-29 12:04:03 AM

CokeBear: Actually, I don't think cops or military should have them either (except in a war zone, or in training for war)


Not even SWAT teams?
 
2011-06-29 12:04:34 AM
better link with the whole story

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/124662724.html
 
2011-06-29 12:06:06 AM
the only reason i will agree with that sentiment is because the police and military are more likely to have had proper training with said weapons. However, this cop should be given a whistle, and if there's ever a crime being commited, he should blow it, and i will come save him.
 
2011-06-29 12:07:02 AM

Tatsuma: CokeBear: Actually, I don't think cops or military should have them either (except in a war zone, or in training for war)

Not even SWAT teams?


Unless they are shooting civilians then I am sure Tatsuma will think its all good
 
2011-06-29 12:07:13 AM

steamingpile: I would say the military is only allowed to have them, there is no reason for the police to have them since most are over compensating for something farked up in their life or the fact they got farked with in high school.

But then, thats the price for having a multi-billion dollar war on drugs, they have militarized the local law enforcement to fight the war they never intended to win so that the populace could be controlled in case dissent breaks out.


Yeah there's a thought...

On the flip side, the military (who are only eclipsed by the National Guard in this regard) are pretty well known for losing weapons and having severe discrepancies any time an audit is performed at an armory.

To be fair, they've gotten better (National Guard have gotten worse IIRC), but it still pretty scary when you think about it.
 
2011-06-29 12:08:11 AM
Or murder random citizens because they went to the wrong address, or are Arizona cops and just gun people down in their homes for shiats and giggles. You know, accidentally.
 
2011-06-29 12:09:17 AM

CokeBear: Actually, I don't think cops or military should have them either (except in a war zone, or in training for war)


Always good to see Fark has an open-door policy on retards. Thanks for dropping in!
 
2011-06-29 12:09:47 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: ThereBeNoShelterHere: Seems like a trap laid so the SPD wouldchave reason to kill another citizen.

They need to lay traps to do that? I thought they just walked around Pioneer Square until they found someone black poor enough.


Seattle police don't have to be racists anymore they just have to make sure they don't arrest anyone above a certain tax bracket

CokeBear: Actually, I don't think cops or military should have them either (except in a war zone, or in training for war)


Police and Military should not be interchangeable terms
 
2011-06-29 12:10:11 AM
FTFA "Then Nollette, who is assigned to that car, drove out of the garage for a shift on Tuesday and made it a few blocks before the citizens notified her of the gun on the trunk"

Holy CRAP
 
2011-06-29 12:10:56 AM

Get Lost: better link with the whole story

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/124662724.html




Holy shiat, two cops failed. Thanks for the link.
 
2011-06-29 12:12:45 AM
If I had been walking down the sidewalk, and saw that rifle perched on the trunk of that car, I would have done a double take... and assumed it was some sort of bizarre police trap.

You know, like those 'bait cars' they leave parked around, unlocked, waiting for people to break into them. I read a story a few years ago about a suburbian couple that found an 'abandoned' car parked in front of their house with the keys in the ignition. They called local authorities several times, and nobody did anything about it. They eventually went into the car in order to find the registration and attempt to contact the car owner and let them know their (possibly) stolen car had been sitting in front of their house for days. As soon as they opened the door to the car, police swarmed around them and arrests were made. I wish I could find the story - it's fascinating (if depressing). I don't remember if they were ever able to prove their innocence or not - never caught a follow-up to that article.

Obviously, the car was planted their by police to catch thieves. In this case, it sat there for days, untouched, until a well-meaning couple (or someone tired of the K-car littering their front step) did something about it. Ridiculous, and stupid. Cognizant of stories like this... were I a man on the street, and presented with FREE MACHINE GUN ON TRUNK OF POLICE CAR... I'd be terrified that I'd catch a sniper bullet to the head for touching the damned thing.
 
2011-06-29 12:15:07 AM
No one? No one?

t0.gstatic.com
Agrees
 
2011-06-29 12:15:13 AM

Mazzic518: FTFA "Then Nollette, who is assigned to that car, drove out of the garage for a shift on Tuesday and made it a few blocks before the citizens notified her of the gun on the trunk"

Holy CRAP


Yep. Not one but two incredibly oblivious people tasked with the protection of society. That they are going to be held to a lower standard than the general citizenry is, sadly, par for the course.
 
2011-06-29 12:15:23 AM
We once had two AR-15s literally fall off the back of a truck on the way back from the range after the truck's tailgate failed. Luckily, an extremely honest man fou d them and turned them in to police. We now transport only in enclosed vans.
 
2011-06-29 12:16:57 AM

Tainted1: Arizona cops and just gun people down in their homes for shiats and giggles. You know, accidentally.


They only do that when you point a gun at them!
 
2011-06-29 12:19:01 AM

sunami: "Only the military and law enforcement should have "guns" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

"Only the military and law enforcement should have "knives" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

"Only the military and law enforcement should have "cars" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

"Only the military and law enforcement should have "property" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

etc etc


You sound Democrat.
 
2011-06-29 12:27:05 AM
If everybody has guns, then the playing field is leveled.

Which is why cops will go on and on about how you should not have a gun.

/they want a monopoly on power. You packing heat legally and the cops knowing it doesn't help.
 
2011-06-29 12:28:26 AM

Tatsuma: CokeBear: Actually, I don't think cops or military should have them either (except in a war zone, or in training for war)

Not even SWAT teams?


ESPECIALLY SWAT teams.

Here's a little hint, that crack team of highly trained CQB specialists ain't. Your average SWAT operator is a patrol cop with at best a few hours of training with his weapons and a hundred or so rounds out of it a month, see the Marine that got murdered by a squad of wannabe mall ninjas not too long ago. If you watched the video that was released and you knew anything at all about tactical entry and close quarters operations you'd be of the opinion that the SWAT team in question learned everything they knew from playing Counterstrike and Modern Warfare.

There are teams that are comprised of silent professionals in cities large enough to fund them (ain't cheap, just to keep myself sharp on my carry arms I usually go through $150 in ammo a week) but they are few and far between. Usually you're dealing with some beat badge who wants to be on the team just for the street credit and to pick up loose skirts, that's it. No extra qualifying abilities or experience, just some cop in his mid twenties who wined and complained loud enough to his superiors while keeping himself out of felony trouble until they put him on the team.

Unless it's a big city with enough income to support one, say like LA or NY or ATL, Denver jumped up because of Columbine and noone wants a repeat so SWAT teams in the Denver area are practically thrown all the money and training they want, it's like some group of cops who aren't even a team full time throwing on everything they could find from the Blackhawk! catalog and trying to be macho men.

Let the beat cops keep their pistols, and take away every single firearm handed to a SWAT team in every city under 1 Million people. Let FBI SRTs take over the stickville CQB and entry operations, it'll save lives whether they be innocent, criminal or law enforcement.
 
2011-06-29 12:28:36 AM

Samwise Gamgee: If I had been walking down the sidewalk, and saw that rifle perched on the trunk of that car, I would have done a double take... and assumed it was some sort of bizarre police trap.

You know, like those 'bait cars' they leave parked around, unlocked, waiting for people to break into them. I read a story a few years ago about a suburbian couple that found an 'abandoned' car parked in front of their house with the keys in the ignition. They called local authorities several times, and nobody did anything about it. They eventually went into the car in order to find the registration and attempt to contact the car owner and let them know their (possibly) stolen car had been sitting in front of their house for days. As soon as they opened the door to the car, police swarmed around them and arrests were made. I wish I could find the story - it's fascinating (if depressing). I don't remember if they were ever able to prove their innocence or not - never caught a follow-up to that article.

Obviously, the car was planted their by police to catch thieves. In this case, it sat there for days, untouched, until a well-meaning couple (or someone tired of the K-car littering their front step) did something about it. Ridiculous, and stupid. Cognizant of stories like this... were I a man on the street, and presented with FREE MACHINE GUN ON TRUNK OF POLICE CAR... I'd be terrified that I'd catch a sniper bullet to the head for touching the damned thing.


I realize you are recalling an article from a couple years ago so the details are fuzzy, but believe me, as someone with firsthand knowledge, there is no way it went down as described here. I am no defender of police, but the details don't add up. Vehicle unmoved for several days with officers waiting at the ready to swoop into action, no way. Not to mention, as described they haven't committed theft at all, so the whole multiple day stakeout for a trespassing ticket at most?

BS has been called.
 
2011-06-29 12:29:40 AM
Azlefty

They only do that when you point a gun at them!

That you will never see evidence of them actually doing.

Just the cops word of how it went down, and that's all you need to know.

/Welcome to Arizona. The "He was reaching for his waistband" state.
 
2011-06-29 12:35:44 AM

ThereBeNoShelterHere: Samwise Gamgee: If I had been walking down the sidewalk, and saw that rifle perched on the trunk of that car, I would have done a double take... and assumed it was some sort of bizarre police trap.

You know, like those 'bait cars' they leave parked around, unlocked, waiting for people to break into them. I read a story a few years ago about a suburbian couple that found an 'abandoned' car parked in front of their house with the keys in the ignition. They called local authorities several times, and nobody did anything about it. They eventually went into the car in order to find the registration and attempt to contact the car owner and let them know their (possibly) stolen car had been sitting in front of their house for days. As soon as they opened the door to the car, police swarmed around them and arrests were made. I wish I could find the story - it's fascinating (if depressing). I don't remember if they were ever able to prove their innocence or not - never caught a follow-up to that article.

Obviously, the car was planted their by police to catch thieves. In this case, it sat there for days, untouched, until a well-meaning couple (or someone tired of the K-car littering their front step) did something about it. Ridiculous, and stupid. Cognizant of stories like this... were I a man on the street, and presented with FREE MACHINE GUN ON TRUNK OF POLICE CAR... I'd be terrified that I'd catch a sniper bullet to the head for touching the damned thing.

I realize you are recalling an article from a couple years ago so the details are fuzzy, but believe me, as someone with firsthand knowledge, there is no way it went down as described here. I am no defender of police, but the details don't add up. Vehicle unmoved for several days with officers waiting at the ready to swoop into action, no way. Not to mention, as described they haven't committed theft at all, so the whole multiple day stakeout for a trespassing ticket at most?

BS has been called.


Well, it happened. I recalled the source: an edition of This American Life, a Public Radio Internation program I'm rather fond of.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/394/bait-and-switch

That's a link to the radio program.

Summary: A couple in Texas find a seemingly abandoned car and think they've stumbled across a crime scene. And they're right...but not in the way they imagined.

Read 'em and weep.
 
2011-06-29 12:36:37 AM
Internation = International. Blah.
 
2011-06-29 12:46:36 AM
A semi-auto rifle is not an "Assualt Weapon", except in the mind of an ignorant reporter.
Assualt Weapons are select fire, magazine fed, intermediate cartridge rifles.

If the cannot report the facts, they should not report at all.
 
2011-06-29 12:53:53 AM

studebaker hoch: If everybody has guns, then the playing field is leveled.

Which is why cops will go on and on about how you should not have a gun.

/they want a monopoly on power. You packing heat legally and the cops knowing it doesn't help.


Yes, sir.

A M-4 Carbine in 2011 = a flintlock musket of 1776. It is just a technological advance not a philosophical.
 
2011-06-29 12:59:25 AM
Gumpokc: If the cannot report the facts, they should not report at all.

Indeed.

/great find, subby
//The Stranger rocks
 
2011-06-29 01:01:52 AM
CokeBear: chaosweaver: the only reason i will agree with that sentiment is because the police and military are more likely to have had proper training with said weapons.

Not really. PoPo trains even less than the department budget allows in most cases.
 
2011-06-29 01:01:56 AM

Tatsuma: Assault weapons are great, I bring them at the beach, I bring them to get ice cream, I bring them to go to synagogue, everybody's doing it!


Is that you? You're hot! Don't suppose you're gay?

/you can point your guy at me any time...
 
2011-06-29 01:03:37 AM
Forget about the rifle, look how far from the curb that car is parked!
 
2011-06-29 01:03:37 AM
Any one of us would be facing serious charges and prison time on various firearms violations if we slipped up in just the slightest... like not unloading the gun, not having the ammo and firearm separated in a container... not having it in the trunk, and all the other details of the law that if missed have serious penalties.

The cop... nothing.
 
2011-06-29 01:08:06 AM
I see your Seattle PD, native American woodcarver-shooting officer and raise you our Spokane Valley Methodist preacher-killing officer

/Spokompton Suburbs
 
2011-06-29 01:20:44 AM
Since no crime was committed, according to the cops, I'll be driving around with my M4 dangling off my trunk. Should be embarrassing to me also.
 
2011-06-29 01:23:25 AM

Fark It: wildcardjack: Wanna bet the officer was distracted by his phone and wandered off.

Most misplaced items happen that way today, it's essentially on par with leaving the coffee on the roof.

A cup of coffee is a cup of coffee. A loaded AR-15 is a loaded AR-15, and assuming it had optics on it (hard to tell from the pic), is a piece of equipment worth thousands of dollars, paid for by the taxpayer. Not to mention, a criminal couldn't do much damage with a cup of coffee.


Has she got the mag in backwards in the first pic?
 
2011-06-29 01:25:34 AM

wildcardjack: Wanna bet the officer was distracted by his phone and wandered off.

Most misplaced items happen that way today, it's essentially on par with leaving the coffee on the roof.


This. I bet he took it out to shoot a pedestrian or two for fun and was just interrupted. It is easy to do when you get locked into your everyday routine and space out.
 
2011-06-29 01:31:09 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Fark It: wildcardjack: Wanna bet the officer was distracted by his phone and wandered off.

Most misplaced items happen that way today, it's essentially on par with leaving the coffee on the roof.

A cup of coffee is a cup of coffee. A loaded AR-15 is a loaded AR-15, and assuming it had optics on it (hard to tell from the pic), is a piece of equipment worth thousands of dollars, paid for by the taxpayer. Not to mention, a criminal couldn't do much damage with a cup of coffee.

Has she got the mag in backwards in the first pic?


Yep. She also has a horrible stance and chicken-wing going on.
 
2011-06-29 01:32:37 AM
I thought that only police and military should have assault weapons because they a re enforcers for the government and the government wants to make their job easier when enforcing things the people at large disagree with.
 
2011-06-29 01:33:17 AM

ThereBeNoShelterHere: BS has been called.


When I lived in Saint Paul, I had a similar situation. Car left in front of my house. I waited three days, then left a note on the car. No response. A few days later a guy came up to my door, rang the doorbell and told me that it was his car, it was out of gas, and would I please not call the cops. A week later, I called the cops, and immediately it was towed, and as they were towing it I asked the officer what was up with it. He told me it was stolen from Saint Cloud. The whole situation seemed screwy. I didn't believe the cops for a minute. It felt like a sting operation, as I lived just down the street from a bar that the cops really don't like.

Shortly after I bought this house, I was sitting in my basement entertainment center, and heard a big BOOM BOOM BOOM on my front door. I go upstairs to answer my door, and there's two cops. I ask if I can help them, and they say that there was a domestic disturbance reported at my residence. I was the only one home, and I told them so. Their reply was "Oh, we must have the wrong house", and they left. No investigation, no questioning, they just left. Maybe because I'm a white guy. I don't know. But it was odd.
 
2011-06-29 01:41:51 AM
 
2011-06-29 01:43:53 AM

bigfatdave: CokeBear: chaosweaver: the only reason i will agree with that sentiment is because the police and military are more likely to have had proper training with said weapons.

Not really. PoPo trains even less than the department budget allows in most cases.


I only say that because that's the way it's supposed to be, and because i wanted to make that classic simpson's referrence. (don't mind the mis-spell, been drinking)
 
2011-06-29 02:08:53 AM

Dick_Hertz: sunami: "Only the military and law enforcement should have "guns" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

"Only the military and law enforcement should have "knives" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

"Only the military and law enforcement should have "cars" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

"Only the military and law enforcement should have "property" because they're the only ones professional enough to handle them and wouldn't do something stupid"

etc etc

You sound Democrat.


you sound like a freaking retard. the excessive gun control democrats have always been a small minority with an ugly and loud figure head (hillary).

much of the rest of is think you should merely have to show that you can competently and safely handle one. since you know, the price of incompetant farktards handling them is usually serious injury. often other people's serious injury.
 
2011-06-29 02:27:46 AM
Just for kicks, can anyone pull up the RCW or WA law that would be used against a civillian who did the same thing.

/just curious
//my rcw search is failing me
///it's late and I'm tired.
 
2011-06-29 02:49:27 AM

studebaker hoch: Which is why cops will go on and on about how you should not have a gun.


Where did you get the idea that cops oppose citizens having guns?
 
2011-06-29 03:51:09 AM

CruiserTwelve: studebaker hoch: Which is why cops will go on and on about how you should not have a gun.

Where did you get the idea that cops oppose citizens having guns?


Well, here in Seattle they've shot a homeless man for carving wood and beaten 'the mexican piss' (new window)out of at least one guy...why would you think they are not opposed to gun-toting citizens?
 
2011-06-29 07:23:54 AM
I'll just leave this here.

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2011-06-29 07:29:05 AM

meathome: steamingpile: I would say the military is only allowed to have them, there is no reason for the police to have them since most are over compensating for something farked up in their life or the fact they got farked with in high school.

But then, thats the price for having a multi-billion dollar war on drugs, they have militarized the local law enforcement to fight the war they never intended to win so that the populace could be controlled in case dissent breaks out.

Yeah there's a thought...

On the flip side, the military (who are only eclipsed by the National Guard in this regard) are pretty well known for losing weapons and having severe discrepancies any time an audit is performed at an armory.

To be fair, they've gotten better (National Guard have gotten worse IIRC), but it still pretty scary when you think about it.



Do you have a citation for your wildcard statement?

It's bad enough comparing the military to the ever-increasingly militarized civilian police, but to state the military has trouble accounting for their weaponry is simply untrue. As each regular Army unit has an arms room, not an armory (that's where NG conduct their business), I can assure you that you wouldn't want to be the one to step up to the window and say I can't find my weapon. And, you certainly wouldn't want to be the arms room NCO caught in some type of discrepancy.
 
2011-06-29 07:30:18 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That's a rifle, not an assault weapon.


It's an 'assault-style weapon'. Absolutley no difference between the one that was left out in reach of children by the trigger happy madman, and a fully automatic death machine. I mean, they are both black, have pistol grips for more acurate fire, and both have clips that hold 29 more bullets than any rifle should ever need.
 
2011-06-29 07:47:08 AM

Fark It: wildcardjack: Wanna bet the officer was distracted by his phone and wandered off.


A cup of coffee is a cup of coffee. A loaded AR-15 is a loaded AR-15, and assuming it had optics on it (hard to tell from the pic), is a piece of equipment worth thousands of dollars, paid for by the taxpayer. Not to mention, a criminal couldn't do much damage with a cup of coffee.


And that female cop isn't going to be doing much damage with her AR-15 since her mag is inserted (how the fark?) backwards. She obviously hasn't attemped to chamber a round yet, because all she would just a a THUNK as the bolt jammed trying to strip a round from the bag. Or maybe she did, and thought that sound was normal (why my gun no shoot?)
 
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