tricycleracer: John Wayne had cancer and he's one of the greatest Americans who ever lived. Why do you hate John Wayne? Why do you hate America?


John Wayne's real name was Marion Robert Morrison, yes his real first name was Marion, and he was a WWII draft dodger. Nancy Kulp (Miss Hathaway, Beverly Hillbillies) saw more military service than he did. He was a lousy actor who only got roles because he was the only male left in Hollywood. Every real man was off fighting.

Also, America is supposed to be a free country, so we all hate the TSA for feeling up our freedoms. If the TSA all die of ass cancer, it's God's Will.

what_now:
tricycleracer: John Wayne had cancer and he's one of the greatest Americans who ever lived.

You mean that sicko that raped and murdered 30 men and boys?

serpent_sky: The way I see it -- if I have to wear a big apron when my dentist takes routine x-rays, or the time I fell and bruised my ribs, they put aprons over anything non-vital to the x-ray, and in both cases the technician leaves the room for safety.... how on earth can these machines be safe?

+1e6

X-rays are bad and exposure is AFAIK cumulative. Does not compute.

profplump: for some reason the TSA doesn't have to test or monitor or train for the invisible death-ray penis-viewing machines

It's not really "some reason". The reason is obvious. Americans are lazy, shiftless morons who will suffer serious mental, physical, and emotional abuses at the hands of supposed authorities (how many of those ball-fondlers and their bosses did you vote for anyway?) and give up virtually any right they retain if it means they get one or more of the following in return:

1. An entertainment fix (look at how many dumbass video gamers are more than happy to throw the entirety of consumer rights to the curb if it means they get to play the coolest new game they'll just forget about in three months anyway)

2. The most paper-thin impression of safety

3. The impression that they're "supporting their country" no matter how far from the founding principles their actions and statements really are.

And even when the majority can agree that they're getting farked over, they still don't do much more about it than get together on sites like this and make sardonic comments until something new catches their eye. America really is the pinnacle of success when it comes to a campaign of bread and circuses.

grinding_journalist: probesport: AntiNorm: probesport: Medically valid to those who weren't capable of becoming an actual doctor isn't much of an argument.

It is deemed valid by someone with a medical license (i.e. a dentist).

lulz.

What's "lulz" about this? You don't think the ADAs credentialing and accreditation process is valueless, and they cannot bestow a legitimate medical license?

Also, you may want to check your definition of "doctor" and "dentist" because dentists ARE doctors. They are also physicians, if you want to attempt to semantically weasel out of that one too. If you want to claim that they aren't "MDs" well, you'd be correct, but the notion that medical advice or a plan of care can only be valid if you have an MD...

You know what? I just realized I'm wasting my time arguing with either a troll, or someone so dense that my refutation of their "point" if it could even be called as much, it will fall on deaf ears.

U mad?

meat0918:
I wonder if he feels so safe now, getting scanned (as a worst case scenario) at most twice a week.

Get real, scans are for random peons. This guy could load up on C4 and nail clippers and stroll right past the entire TSA complemet of any airport.

serpent_sky: The way I see it -- if I have to wear a big apron when my dentist takes routine x-rays, or the time I fell and bruised my ribs, they put aprons over anything non-vital to the x-ray, and in both cases the technician leaves the room for safety.... how on earth can these machines be safe?

I've wondered the same thing. My dental hygenist feels it is necessary to put this flak jacket over my chest..gotta protect my vital organs.....but apparently is okay with blasting my brain with x-rays every 6 months. If I ever come down with brain cancer, I am suing my dentist.

Lachwen: I'm flying cross-country in just over a week for the first time since they implemented these things. Hoping against hope that I don't get chosen for the extra "security." Hmmm, my choices are a radiation-producing machine that basically gives them a picture of me naked, or having my chest groped by a complete stranger? Gee, I feel SO much safer now!

I'm by no means a frequent flier so I don't know if this is practice everywhere or what. When I flew out of Lambert Airport in St. Louis and then again out of Phoenix Sky Harbor the TSA was putting as many people as possible through the machines, and only sending people through the metal detector when the line got too long.

As the not terribly interested general public I feel I was misled about this. Back when the hullabaloo was going on I got the impression that a checkpoint would have one of these machines at most, and they would only be used when some agent deemed that an individual needed extra screening above and beyond what is normal.

Now I get the impression that the TSA wants everyone to go through the backscatter machines every time they fly. Maybe it's just that there are more of these machines available now, but I definitely remember some talking head saying something to the effect of, "It's not like we want to put everyone through these machines all the time. We're only going to be putting the terrorists through them."

Publikwerks: The public reaction to the TSA makes me hate America.

Where was all the concern about our freedom when the Patriot act was passed? Or the DMCA? Or pardon for the Telcos?

Violate the privacy of millions of Americans? Woops.

Make Grandma change her diaper before going through security?
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!111!!!!11!

I was on here, parroting the police's "it's ok to surveil you at all times" line of "If you haven't done anything wrong, why can't we see what it is that you did?"

They clearly didn't do anything wrong because they all got pardoned for crimes they didn't commit, duh.

Backscatter x-ray cancer or a free hand job. The choice is so hard..... (so to speak)

This seems a bit too fast, but I don't know how well shielded those things are of course

Fubini: We're only going to be putting the terrorists through them

That would be YOU, Citizen. Now shut your piehole and step into the machine.

CANCER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

It has a latency period.

Pumpernickel bread: serpent_sky: The way I see it -- if I have to wear a big apron when my dentist takes routine x-rays, or the time I fell and bruised my ribs, they put aprons over anything non-vital to the x-ray, and in both cases the technician leaves the room for safety.... how on earth can these machines be safe?

I've wondered the same thing. My dental hygenist feels it is necessary to put this flak jacket over my chest..gotta protect my vital organs.....but apparently is okay with blasting my brain with x-rays every 6 months. If I ever come down with brain cancer, I am suing my dentist.

It's not necessarily equivalent though, see the doctor s care about peoples safety. The tsa does not.

I know for a fact that NIST has done a study on a body scanner, as I have a copy in my possession right now.

However, it was for a system built in August 2006 by American Science and Engineering - and I have no confidence that it is the same as what is in place right now.

meat0918: wonder if he feels so safe now, getting scanned (as a worst case scenario) at most twice a week.

you should follow up and see what kind of response you get? my guess is none...

Ha ha, I'm too broke to fly so I'm safe.

In your face.

Fubini: Do you know if a passenger would be permitted to wear one or operate a Geiger counter near the checkpoint?

I'd be pretty surprised if they'd be allowed to use the Geiger counter there. Either there's some more or less explicit policy against recording the operation of the machine or they'd just claim that it was somehow interfering with TSA operations (sort of like how a person 200 yards away with a video camera is somehow interfering with a police beatdown operation). Either way, if the TSA knows about it, I'd be very surprised if they didn't stop it.

Hopefully, every single TSA pervert will die a painfully of cancer.

Pumpernickel bread: serpent_sky: The way I see it -- if I have to wear a big apron when my dentist takes routine x-rays, or the time I fell and bruised my ribs, they put aprons over anything non-vital to the x-ray, and in both cases the technician leaves the room for safety.... how on earth can these machines be safe?

I've wondered the same thing. My dental hygenist feels it is necessary to put this flak jacket over my chest..gotta protect my vital organs.....but apparently is okay with blasting my brain with x-rays every 6 months. If I ever come down with brain cancer, I am suing my dentist.

It's more a principle of minimum exposure. There's no reason to think that the amount of radiation your dentist is subjecting you to is harmful, but if there's also no reason to expose your torso then you should go ahead and shield it. Your dentist is just being responsible by protecting against extremely unlikely outcomes.

Narc_: I know for a fact that NIST has done a study on a body scanner, as I have a copy in my possession right now.

NIST - the National Institute of Standards and Technology - does indeed study new technologies so that they may develop standards for them. But they DO NOT assess safety.

meat0918: The response I got from my Rep when this scanner BS originally hit the fan was less that stellar.

Part of the response from Mr. DeFazio:

"Personally, I would prefer to go through a body scanner than undergo one of the new enhanced pat downs. Passenger images are viewed in a walled-off location not visible to the public or the officer assisting the passenger being screened. The officer assisting the passenger never sees the image, and the officer viewing the image never interacts with the passenger. The imaging technology TSA uses cannot store, export, print, or transmit images. Since I first became aware of body imaging technology and realized it would raise concerns, I have been advocating for the development of technology that can manipulate the image of the passenger in less objectionable ways like a standard form or simple stick figure. It was recently announced that such technology has been developed and I will push TSA to move in that direction."

I wonder if he feels so safe now, getting scanned (as a worst case scenario) at most twice a week.

That makes me kinda sad, as I generally really like Peter DeFazio. I always love it when he gets mad and starts yelling on the floor of the House.

That being said, I see he repeated the TSA's claim that the images can't be stored or exported. Remember how a bunch of those same images ended up on the internet a while back? I wonder what he thought when he heard about that.

Soumac: /flies every week
//always opts out

I flew on Thanksgiving last year out of O'Hare airport and opted out. They made me stand a few feet (~5?) from the machine while they rolled their eyes and went to get a female agent to pat me down. I waited for a good five minutes right there by the machine. It seems to me I was exposed to more radiation standing close to that machine than I would have been if I'd just gone through it.

Now, I might not have a problem if you could opt out AND they put you in some kind of "radiation-free area".

/or if, you know, they got rid of the machines
//just thinking out loud

Fubini: It's more a principle of minimum exposure. There's no reason to think that the amount of radiation your dentist is subjecting you to is harmful, but if there's also no reason to expose your torso then you should go ahead and shield it. Your dentist is just being responsible by protecting against extremely unlikely outcomes.

It's not like the vest shield costs them anything other than the original expense and perhaps occasional replacement costs. Cheaper than defending yourself in court.

Needlessly Complicated: Now, I might not have a problem if you could opt out AND they put you in some kind of "radiation-free area".

The radiation was free. Did you receive a bill for it? No!

Well, now that Texas is forcing unwanted sonograms on promiscuous women, maybe TSA can check on the fetus while they soak mom and baby in radiation, then do the manual exam just for the lulz.

/kill two bird with one stone, so to speak.

limeyfellow: what_now:
tricycleracer: John Wayne had cancer and he's one of the greatest Americans who ever lived.

You mean that sicko that raped and murdered 30 men and boys?

The sicko was John Wayne Gacy.

Rev. Skarekroe: moops: CANCER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

It has a latency period.

Don't point that out.
This thread is for people to be happy that others will suffer and die because they had the gall to work for a security company.

Yeah I don't understand being please with cancer amongst TSA agents. If anything, they've likely been lied to from their bosses worse than the public. They probably cannot sue should health issues be uncovered as well.

moops: CANCER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

It has a latency period.

Makes me wonder if they've been using some other radiation based detection method at those checkpoints for a longer period of time. Something along the lines of a radiation bombardment to detect fissile materials (because someone MIGHT smuggle nuclear weapons on a passenger flight, totally srs gais).

Normally I'm not so conspiracy-ish, but the TSA Security-Industrial complex just rubs me the wrong way. There's so much money flying into security that I wouldn't put it past someone to buy stupid crap just because they can.

the_sidewinder: ck819: Off topic- what do farkers think of cell towers at elementary schools? Risk or not?

Not a risk, but I don't see why you'd want to give those kids such good reception. Put on on my building instead

/Or inside all IKEAs
//Damn buildings are built like Faraday cages

I thought I was the only one who was having those kinds of problems.
/not alone

Fubini: Pumpernickel bread: serpent_sky: The way I see it -- if I have to wear a big apron when my dentist takes routine x-rays, or the time I fell and bruised my ribs, they put aprons over anything non-vital to the x-ray, and in both cases the technician leaves the room for safety.... how on earth can these machines be safe?

I've wondered the same thing. My dental hygenist feels it is necessary to put this flak jacket over my chest..gotta protect my vital organs.....but apparently is okay with blasting my brain with x-rays every 6 months. If I ever come down with brain cancer, I am suing my dentist.

It's more a principle of minimum exposure. There's no reason to think that the amount of radiation your dentist is subjecting you to is harmful, but if there's also no reason to expose your torso then you should go ahead and shield it. Your dentist is just being responsible by protecting against extremely unlikely outcomes.

This.

Also, the chest thing is more to protect your glands than your chest. Glandular tissue is typically the tissue that is more susceptible to this kind of thing. Plus that dental xray doesn't disperse much between the end of the machine and your head. Aside from some small scale leakage your body is not getting hit with anything really discernible with the exception of your mouth.

It also is a hold over from older machines. Typically the older machines put out a whole crap ton more radiation than the newer ones.

6655321: You mean that sicko that raped and murdered 30 men and boys?

The sicko was John Wayne Gacy.

They're so easy to confuse! (new derpy window)

You do realize that with hundreds of thousands of TSA employees, there will be several hundred cases of cancer? And that some of these will "cluster" just through random chance?

olapbill: pshhaww. It's the public wifi signals causing it.

Nope. It's 3rd hand quaternary smoke. Duh.

Fubini: moops: CANCER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

It has a latency period.

Makes me wonder if they've been using some other radiation based detection method at those checkpoints for a longer period of time. Something along the lines of a radiation bombardment to detect fissile materials (because someone MIGHT smuggle nuclear weapons on a passenger flight, totally srs gais).

Normally I'm not so conspiracy-ish, but the TSA Security-Industrial complex just rubs me the wrong way. There's so much money flying into security that I wouldn't put it past someone to buy stupid crap just because they can.

Well, you wouldn't bombard radiation to detect a radiation hazard, you do that with detectors in which case adding more radiation would just fuzz up your results.

Rev. Skarekroe: moops: CANCER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

It has a latency period.

Don't point that out.
This thread is for people to be happy that others will suffer and die because they had the gall to work for a security company.

I'd also be pretty okay with scientists discovering a new variety of flesh-eating bacteria that only afflicted telemarketers and Jehovah's Witnesses that knock on doors early Saturday mornings too.

Also, what's the latency period on cancer? Is it longer than the machines have been operating?

probesport: grinding_journalist: probesport: AntiNorm: probesport: Medically valid to those who weren't capable of becoming an actual doctor isn't much of an argument.

It is deemed valid by someone with a medical license (i.e. a dentist).

lulz.

What's "lulz" about this? You don't think the ADAs credentialing and accreditation process is valueless, and they cannot bestow a legitimate medical license?

Also, you may want to check your definition of "doctor" and "dentist" because dentists ARE doctors. They are also physicians, if you want to attempt to semantically weasel out of that one too. If you want to claim that they aren't "MDs" well, you'd be correct, but the notion that medical advice or a plan of care can only be valid if you have an MD...

You know what? I just realized I'm wasting my time arguing with either a troll, or someone so dense that my refutation of their "point" if it could even be called as much, it will fall on deaf ears.

U mad?

Nah, not mad, I just couldn't figure out how someone could be this obtuse. I was right, they can't be, and your consistent use of /b/speak leads me back to the conclusion I've already reached. Good attempt though, might want to be a bit more thought provoking in your responses if you actually want to grasp the essence of trolling. You can't just say lulz u mad haha i trol u and have that be that. You need to incorporate elements that will really incense people.

Like, "Dentists can't be doctors because they didn't go to medical school like Patch Adams did and I saw that in a movie."

How does this agency even exist?

---Untested/unmonitored radiation machine or sexual assault, traveler?

---No, you cannot wear a dosimeter around radiation-emitting equipment, employee.

---Ship your valuables to your destination using FedEx (new window), traveler. We're gonna steal them otherwise...nothing we can do about it...it's just the way it is.


None of this is okay. None of the rest of it is okay. Seriously. How/why does no one give enough of a fark to make this agency go away? How can we hold anyone accountable anymore? We're domesticated cattle.

Soumac: /flies every week
//always opts out

So, I am flying tomorrow. Do you think it will be a big deal to opt out? I went through the backscatter at SFO in April. I wasn't thinking and I didn't want to stress the GF. Now, I think it might be better if I didn't subject myself to radiation. I have had a LOT of xrays in my life.

What's the general opinion? Will I end up in a gulag, or will have have a hot broad cupping my nuts?

What the hell is everyones problem?

The government is only trying to keep us safe.
They have our best interests at heart.
They are the good guys.

BarbadoSlim: Hopefully, every single TSA pervert will die a painfully of cancer.

They are only doing their low-wage jobs. Why do you blame them? They didn't make these farking laws you know. They don't like this anymore than the rest of us, but we have a lot of knee-jerk morans in Congress. Do ya think maybe that people who want each and every American to die a painful death is why we have so much fear and such a draconian airport security system? Think about it.

Rev. Skarekroe: moops: CANCER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

It has a latency period.

Don't point that out.
This thread is for people to be happy that others will suffer and die because they had the gall to work for a security company.

I know, it's bizarre. Almost as if when faced with a glaring violation for which no remedy is apparent, people are somehow growing frustrated and feeling compelled to find indirect outlets for their anger.

Curious.

weatherwitch666
serpent_sky 2011-06-28 02:09:24 PM
The way I see it -- if I have to wear a big apron when my dentist takes routine x-rays, or the time I fell and bruised my ribs, they put aprons over anything non-vital to the x-ray, and in both cases the technician leaves the room for safety.... how on earth can these machines be safe?


Because it's a different kind of xray................


U S A patriotic freedom x-rays?

what_now: Yep.

Cue the "B..b..but they said it was safe, and Michel Chertoff would never lie to me for profit.." apologists.

No doubt some patriotic congress wrote a "safe harbor" in the law for him. So we can't look forward to seeing someone sue his ... chert off.

wildcardjack: Oh, and this... Perfectly safe, I assure you.

My mother-in-law remembers these. Apparently your feet got a little bit tingly inside.