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(MSNBC)   "Very big concern" as wildfire approaches the Los Alamos National Laboratory, where the first atomic bomb was built. The site contains radioactive and other hazardous materials, but other than that everything's totally fine   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 62
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2011-06-27 09:53:08 AM  
Again?

You would have thought that after the last time this happened, in 1996, they would have taken the fourteen intervening years to clean up the site a bit more so that the nuclear waste wouldn't be threatened by fires.

Sigh. Last time, my family had to evacuate to Albuquerque for two days because my mom was worried that they would fail to protect the domes.
 
2011-06-27 10:02:46 AM  
One would hope that they just don't have piles of nuclear material mixed in with old "Look" magazines teetering in piles protected only by wood-framed Quonset huts.

I mean, at any point did anyone say "Maybe we should dig a hole?"
 
2011-06-27 10:05:35 AM  
Damn, y'all can't get any traction with the flooding reactor; you gotta' spazz over this shiat. Energy can be dangerous, you can't smoke while pumping gas. Fire can be dangerous, therefore we should not heat food with it.
 
2011-06-27 10:20:47 AM  
This must be the first LANL related thread in a long time that doesn't involve missing/stolen hard drives or documents.
 
2011-06-27 10:30:43 AM  
They said it was about one mile southwest of the government laboratory.

We drove through that forest in January. There were piles of wood everywhere, some of them smoking.

It's like they wanted a wildfire.
 
2011-06-27 11:04:29 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: This must be the first LANL related thread in a long time that doesn't involve missing/stolen hard drives or documents.


Since '96, anyway. And she didn't steal the flash drive, she took it home to work on it at home and then forgot about them.

/hahahahaha . . .
 
2011-06-27 11:07:59 AM  
The invisible hand of the free market will save us.
Government regulations mean that this facility is safe.
God will spare the facility because he will answer our prayers.
This is karmic justice for America's nuclear sins.

Add your own!
 
2011-06-27 11:09:24 AM  
I somehow get the feeling that burning wood won't do much to hot metal.
 
2011-06-27 11:09:39 AM  
This same story runs every year or two whenever a fire gets within 100miles of the Los Alamos labs. How is this year any different?


/non-story
//DNRTFA
 
2011-06-27 11:10:15 AM  

ArtosRC: The invisible hand of the free market will save us.
Government regulations mean that this facility is safe.
God will spare the facility because he will answer our prayers.
This is karmic justice for America's nuclear sins.

Add your own!


The nukes will be safe since they are housed in refrigerators.
 
2011-06-27 11:12:05 AM  
This is news for the same reason the floods by the nuclear plants are generating panic. It gets viewers and sells papers.
 
2011-06-27 11:14:00 AM  
Several years ago i saw a news piece about some fire resistant compound that some grandmother invented. It used the same chemicals used in baby diapers and could be sprayed with a hose. Whatever it covered didn't burn. Anyone else remember this? If it exists, why don't they spray it over the most dangerous areas here?
 
2011-06-27 11:15:57 AM  

GacysBasement: Several years ago i saw a news piece about some fire resistant compound that some grandmother invented. It used the same chemicals used in baby diapers and could be sprayed with a hose. Whatever it covered didn't burn. Anyone else remember this? If it exists, why don't they spray it over the most dangerous areas here?


Asbestos?

/would make for one itchy diaper
 
2011-06-27 11:16:40 AM  
Natural disaster/nuclear trifecta now complete.


GacysBasement: Several years ago i saw a news piece about some fire resistant compound that some grandmother invented. It used the same chemicals used in baby diapers and could be sprayed with a hose. Whatever it covered didn't burn. Anyone else remember this? If it exists, why don't they spray it over the most dangerous areas here?


Better still, wrap everything in baby diapers.
 
2011-06-27 11:16:59 AM  
Sounds like punishment for NY gay marriage.

/The Nebraska nuclear threat is from water, ironic, eh?
 
2011-06-27 11:17:39 AM  

GacysBasement: Several years ago i saw a news piece about some fire resistant compound that some grandmother invented. It used the same chemicals used in baby diapers and could be sprayed with a hose. Whatever it covered didn't burn. Anyone else remember this? If it exists, why don't they spray it over the most dangerous areas here?


THIS Link
 
2011-06-27 11:21:13 AM  

ArtosRC: The invisible hand of the free market will save us.
Government regulations mean that this facility is safe.
God will spare the facility because he will answer our prayers.
This is karmic justice for America's nuclear sins.

Add your own!


The Illegal immigrants want to blow up that facility, and they want to take our jerbs too.
 
2011-06-27 11:21:22 AM  
You know, one of these days, an 'everybody panic' story WILL actually happen.

But we'll all be too busy being desensitized to the whole 'everybody panic' thing to notice that we're all actually glowing, starving, and on fire -- all while laughing at the tin-foil hat doomtards screaming EVERYBODY PANIC, of course.

It will be glorious, indeed.
 
2011-06-27 11:22:22 AM  
I can't live vicariously to concern no matter how it's size.


Wake me when the blood is flowing.
Wake me when the bodies are being piled up.
Wake me when the dead start feeding on the living.

Til then I'm bored.
 
2011-06-27 11:23:37 AM  

PlatypusPuke: You know, one of these days, an 'everybody panic' story WILL actually happen.

But we'll all be too busy being desensitized to the whole 'everybody panic' thing to notice that we're all actually glowing, starving, and on fire -- all while laughing at the tin-foil hat doomtards screaming EVERYBODY PANIC, of course.

It will be glorious, indeed.


Fukushima.

...and it's still an ongoing disaster.
 
2011-06-27 11:27:54 AM  

MickeyRaptor: PlatypusPuke: You know, one of these days, an 'everybody panic' story WILL actually happen.

But we'll all be too busy being desensitized to the whole 'everybody panic' thing to notice that we're all actually glowing, starving, and on fire -- all while laughing at the tin-foil hat doomtards screaming EVERYBODY PANIC, of course.

It will be glorious, indeed.

Fukushima.

...and it's still an ongoing disaster.


Never mind the farking massive quake and tsunami that actually killed buttloads of people. I swear some people must look at the destruction there and actually link it in their screwed up heads with the damn power plant.
 
2011-06-27 11:28:19 AM  
Between this thread and the flooding in Nebraska thread, I have learned that farkers are too cool and smart to be concerned about nuke problems in America. I'm not down with a nuclear wasteland.
I'm cool and smart, not worried.... right. Fukushima was no prob until there were 3 total meltdowns. There are other ways to have nuclear disasters... this all sucks.
 
2011-06-27 11:29:44 AM  
Ye Gods! My dad used to work there! Glad he's across the country now.

The wildfires used to threaten them every year, though, as I recall. One of the many reasons my parents moved out of NM.
 
2011-06-27 11:34:21 AM  

RandomExcess: Sounds like punishment for NY gay marriage.

/The Nebraska nuclear threat is from water, ironic, eh?


Fire...water....earth (quake)....

Tornado is next?
 
2011-06-27 11:38:30 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves:

I mean, at any point did anyone say "Maybe we should dig a hole?"


THIS - apparently they can't learn from the past fire. Oh but we get to pay for leadership stupidity.
 
2011-06-27 11:39:10 AM  

qwertypoo: MickeyRaptor: PlatypusPuke: You know, one of these days, an 'everybody panic' story WILL actually happen.

But we'll all be too busy being desensitized to the whole 'everybody panic' thing to notice that we're all actually glowing, starving, and on fire -- all while laughing at the tin-foil hat doomtards screaming EVERYBODY PANIC, of course.

It will be glorious, indeed.

Fukushima.

...and it's still an ongoing disaster.

Never mind the farking massive quake and tsunami that actually killed buttloads of people. I swear some people must look at the destruction there and actually link it in their screwed up heads with the damn power plant.


The quake/tsunami were only the opening salvos in what will be a lot of suffering for Japan and even the U.S. West Coast in the coming years. I read somewhere that the infant mortality rate in California has spiked 35% since March, and large portions of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable by the radiation.
 
2011-06-27 11:40:43 AM  

enry: Tornado is next?


Sounds like the plot of a bad movie.
 
2011-06-27 11:41:55 AM  

MickeyRaptor: I read somewhere that the infant mortality rate in California has spiked 35% since March, and large portions of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable by the radiation.


You've been reading some scary stories then haven't you.

booga booga booga
 
2011-06-27 11:42:38 AM  
WHO is this?? What's your operating number??
 
2011-06-27 11:43:49 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma: GacysBasement: Several years ago i saw a news piece about some fire resistant compound that some grandmother invented. It used the same chemicals used in baby diapers and could be sprayed with a hose. Whatever it covered didn't burn. Anyone else remember this? If it exists, why don't they spray it over the most dangerous areas here?

THIS Link


Cool beans. That is really interesting. It even biodegrades after use, though how long that takes is not stated.

juddcc: Between this thread and the flooding in Nebraska thread, I have learned that farkers are too cool and smart to be concerned about nuke problems in America. I'm not down with a nuclear wasteland.


I could panic now and one of two things will happen:
1. Something minor, with a man thousands of miles away panicking
2. Something major, with a man thousands of miles away panicking

Or I could just think like an engineer about the problem and see how it plays out over time.
 
2011-06-27 11:47:28 AM  

qwertypoo: MickeyRaptor: I read somewhere that the infant mortality rate in California has spiked 35% since March, and large portions of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable by the radiation.

You've been reading some scary stories then haven't you.

booga booga booga



Here's the link in case you're interested. Scientists and experts making these claims, not some crackpot conspiracy nut Link (new window)
 
2011-06-27 11:51:07 AM  
Link

At first glance, the story looks credible. And scary. The information comes from a physician, Janette Sherman MD, and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano, who got their data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports-a newsletter that frequently helps public health officials spot trends in death and illness.

Look closer, though, and the credibility vanishes. For one thing, this isn't a formal scientific study and Sherman and Mangano didn't publish their findings in a peer-reviewed journal, or even on a science blog. Instead, all of this comes from an essay the two wrote for Counter Punch, a political newsletter. And when Sci Am's Moyer holds that essay up to the standards of scientific research, its scary conclusions fall apart.
 
2011-06-27 11:53:29 AM  

enry: RandomExcess: Sounds like punishment for NY gay marriage.

/The Nebraska nuclear threat is from water, ironic, eh?

Fire...water....earth (quake)....

Tornado is next?


My money is on volcano. A new volcano will spontaneously erupt (like the one in the movie Volcano!) directly under a nuclear power plant, spewing radiation miles into the atmosphere and covering the earth in a layer of radioactive volcanic ash. Did I say volcano? I meant SUPER volcano! Those of us who don't die in the initial blast or the resulting nuclear fallout will freeze or starve to death as the glowing ash covers the globe and blocks out the sun. I'm thinking this will probably happen sometime before Jan. 2013.
 
2011-06-27 11:55:14 AM  

MickeyRaptor: qwertypoo: MickeyRaptor: I read somewhere that the infant mortality rate in California has spiked 35% since March, and large portions of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable by the radiation.

You've been reading some scary stories then haven't you.

booga booga booga


Here's the link in case you're interested. Scientists and experts making these claims, not some crackpot conspiracy nut Link (new window)


I have been linked to this story many times, but this is as far as any citations for these claims go. Are there CDC documents or NIH studies that have been done that confirm this increase in mortality rate? Also, the claims of radioactive hot spots fall under the same category. Why hasn't anyone tweeted a picture of a radiation detector spiking in Tokyo? They aren't that expensive or difficult to use Not saying there aren't risks or hazards or effects beyond what the government is telling us about the disaster, but if they are as severe as this article is claiming then I would expect to see other confirmations of them. Extraordinary claims do require extraordinary evidence after all.
 
2011-06-27 11:58:26 AM  
Not Impressed

www.moviemobsters.com
 
2011-06-27 11:59:50 AM  

MickeyRaptor: qwertypoo: MickeyRaptor: I read somewhere that the infant mortality rate in California has spiked 35% since March, and large portions of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable by the radiation.

You've been reading some scary stories then haven't you.

booga booga booga


Here's the link in case you're interested. Scientists and experts making these claims, not some crackpot conspiracy nut Link (new window)


Trying to link things in California to it like that is very much a crackpot conspiracy, and that link does not say "large portions of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable by the radiation".
I see that's based on a quote from an unnamed 'advisor' and i would guess refers to the current evacuation zone.
 
2011-06-27 12:04:34 PM  
I'm sorry, we're already afraid because of that shut down un-fueled nuclear plant thats surrounded by flood waters. This story will have to be ignored.
 
2011-06-27 12:10:48 PM  
I just watched this episode of west wing; so I'm getting a kick out of these comments

\box problems, I has them
\\ also fringe environmental ideas
 
2011-06-27 12:16:24 PM  
@SphericalTime

I know you mean well but your post is inaccurate. The fire happened in 2000 and evacuations (for LosAlamos and WR residents) lasted for almost 2 weeks before schools and the Lab started up again.

This current fire is only 12 miles from my parents house. :( Please pray for rain
 
2011-06-27 12:22:02 PM  

SphericalTime: Sigh. Last time, my family had to evacuate to Albuquerque for two days because my mom was worried that they would fail to protect the domes.




I wouldn't worry too much about it. If you live in the area, chances are you've been consuming radioactive water your whole life anyway.
 
2011-06-27 12:24:21 PM  
Planning for possible contingencies, how does it work?

DNrtfa, so shaddap.
 
2011-06-27 12:29:09 PM  
The fire is close to Los Alamos National Laboratories. It's not a nuclear power plant so there's no chance of a meltdown. LANL is mostly a research facility. We could see haze from the smoke last night here in Edgewood. Not really concerned as the fire is 80% contained at this point.
 
2011-06-27 12:32:23 PM  
The reports are that the Dixon orchards burned last night. Now I am sad.
 
2011-06-27 12:34:40 PM  
so this is why the illegal aliens set all those fires!
 
2011-06-27 12:36:46 PM  

bessyglass: The reports are that the Dixon orchards burned last night. Now I am sad.


Why? It's Arizona... the whole state can burn and nobody will care.
 
2011-06-27 12:37:44 PM  

MickeyRaptor: PlatypusPuke: You know, one of these days, an 'everybody panic' story WILL actually happen.

But we'll all be too busy being desensitized to the whole 'everybody panic' thing to notice that we're all actually glowing, starving, and on fire -- all while laughing at the tin-foil hat doomtards screaming EVERYBODY PANIC, of course.

It will be glorious, indeed.

Fukushima.

...and it's still an ongoing disaster.


Nope. Sorry. The Internet has told me conclusively that there is clearly nothing to worry about because everything is just fine and I'm just a paranoid, tinfoil hat whack job for even thinking about it because, apparently, worrying about what Japan eats once they pump radiated seawater back into where their food comes from == believing in bigfoot, aliens and thermite.
 
2011-06-27 12:38:23 PM  

ddam: bessyglass: The reports are that the Dixon orchards burned last night. Now I am sad.

Why? It's ArizonaNew Mexico... the whole state can burn and nobody will care.


/FTFM
//too many fires in the southwest recently
///but the statement applies to both states
 
2011-06-27 12:48:04 PM  

qwertypoo: MickeyRaptor: PlatypusPuke: You know, one of these days, an 'everybody panic' story WILL actually happen.

But we'll all be too busy being desensitized to the whole 'everybody panic' thing to notice that we're all actually glowing, starving, and on fire -- all while laughing at the tin-foil hat doomtards screaming EVERYBODY PANIC, of course.

It will be glorious, indeed.

Fukushima.

...and it's still an ongoing disaster.

Never mind the farking massive quake and tsunami that actually killed buttloads of people. I swear some people must look at the destruction there and actually link it in their screwed up heads with the damn power plant.


But, but, but, it's just normal geological activity that Japan is used to getting in cycles anyway, so why panic? An earthquake in Japan? The hell you say!

because, socialism. or something

I swear, half our planet could blow off out into outer space in one big explosive gonorrhea chunk, like that Klingon planet in that forgettable star trek movie, and everything will still be "Just Peachy."

/cnn had a front page story recently telling me that kardashian's ass was actually real
//same day, cnn asked me if sitting could kill me
 
2011-06-27 01:26:05 PM  

KingCunCun: @SphericalTime

I know you mean well but your post is inaccurate. The fire happened in 2000 and evacuations (for LosAlamos and WR residents) lasted for almost 2 weeks before schools and the Lab started up again.

This current fire is only 12 miles from my parents house. :( Please pray for rain


Duh. I thought 96 sounded wrong. It was during later years of high school, not middle school.

Goodfella: I wouldn't worry too much about it. If you live in the area, chances are you've been consuming radioactive water your whole life anyway.


Geez, I barely glow green brightly enough to read by. It's not that radioactive.

Although, we have the lowest levels of psychotropic medication contamination, so maybe it all levels out.
 
2011-06-27 01:29:09 PM  
More worried about Bandelier. (new window)
 
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