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2011-06-26 10:38:34 PM

Another Government Employee: SouthernManDunWrong: You can install a wireless back-up camera on your vehicle for under $100. That and a walkaround your vehicle before you back up will prevent accidents like the one the lady had.

I am sorry that she murdered her kid and I am even sorrier that she feels compelled to punish the world for it.

She did the walk around. The kid showed up afterward.



I suppose I missed the part where she had a camera to show her what was in her blind spot. I installed on on a 13 year old pickup truck because I couldn't see what was immediately behind me. Total cost was less than $100. If she had one of these, perhaps the accident could have been avoided.

A walk around would have indicated that the kid was in the vicinity and extra care should have been taken. That or she could have put the kid in the car/house.

/just sayin
 
2011-06-26 10:38:38 PM
Back when I was a kid there was word called "accidents". People accepted that tragic as they could be, these "accidents" sometimes happened, and pretty much tried to get on with their lives.

What happened?
 
2011-06-26 10:41:46 PM
Our first mistake was teaching women how to read. You can all see where that's taken us. Now they're trying to drive, and I'm sorry, but they just can't.
 
2011-06-26 10:42:00 PM

Farker T: Back when I was a kid there was word called "accidents". People accepted that tragic as they could be, these "accidents" sometimes happened, and pretty much tried to get on with their lives.

What happened?



The 'precious snowflake' syndrome reared its ugly head.
 
2011-06-26 10:42:03 PM

crab66: How many stupid laws do we have because of stupid mothers?


Wait until abortion is made illegal.
 
2011-06-26 10:45:03 PM

styckx: SushiJoe: This woman is brimming with personal responsibility

^ This.

If you read the story. This had ZERO to do with blind spots. The SUV was actually equipped with sensors. Kid ran out of the house and in front of the garage door just at same exact time the SUV backed out. shiatty coinsidence, but a coinsidence nonetheless.

Near all of these cases could have been prevented with something called situational awareness, and contrary to belief that starts before even getting into your vehicle.

In the case told in the story. Not much could prevent it except preventing the kid from darting out the door. Feel bad for her but her crusade is seriously misguided.


"There's this new thing called situational awareness, Lana!"
 
2011-06-26 10:46:50 PM
Probably one of those assholes that has their fog lights running when it's perfectly clear out blinding people in smaller more reasonable cars. I seriously want to get out of the car at a light and break their fog lights, it's unnecessary and dangerous.
 
2011-06-26 10:47:08 PM
OMG. More laws are always the answer.
/because the world is full of retards and we need to protect ourselves from them.
 
2011-06-26 10:48:54 PM

jaytkay: People who drive SUVs are by definition self-centered, without concern for other people. They literally don't have the awareness to avoid accidents like this.

Pro tip: You don't need a five thousand pound vehicle to carry your toddler and a gallon of milk, regardless of how fat you are.


I think the problem is the thinking that bigger car = more safety for babby.

This is what the car dealer tried to sell me when I went looking for a new vehicle for the new babby. I told him to kindly f*ck off, and tooky business elsewhere.

/drives an old Lincoln
//still a bigger car than what I need
///still nice
 
2011-06-26 10:49:39 PM

Turbo Cojones: 19 month old kids don't "dart"


*DERP*

I can make you look stupid with one click of the mouse.

Link
 
2011-06-26 10:49:54 PM
one backover death in the past 3 years. In 2009, there were 20 million people under 5. Zero of them died of being backed over. One of them died by being forwarded-over... take the stats either way, worst case your kid has a 1 in 20 million chance of being backed over by you.

Parents and other drivers, take special care to back out slowly enough that a two-year-old can run away. Everyone else, especially voters and politicians, ignore this. Statistically speaking, this never happens.

The odds of a child being struck to death by lightning are approximately 2.5 milion to 1. The odds of dying of flesh-eating bacteria are about 1 million to 1. The odds of winning a state lottery are approximately 18 million to 1.

Catch that last one? Based on numbers over the past 3 years, you are more likely to win the state lottery with the purchase of a single ticket than you are to have a child under 5 die of being run over.
 
2011-06-26 10:53:01 PM

styckx: SushiJoe: This woman is brimming with personal responsibility

^ This.

If you read the story. This had ZERO to do with blind spots. The SUV was actually equipped with sensors. Kid ran out of the house and in front of the garage door just at same exact time the SUV backed out. shiatty coinsidence, but a coinsidence nonetheless.

Near all of these cases could have been prevented with something called situational awareness, and contrary to belief that starts before even getting into your vehicle.

In the case told in the story. Not much could prevent it except preventing the kid from darting out the door. Feel bad for her but her crusade is seriously misguided.


I disagree. I used to drive a cadillac escalade and presented with this problem many, many times. Its true something or someone could dart behind you while backing up and you have a blind side. To prevent this i would beware how i was parking at all times, and if i had to, would get out of the car and scan the area for anything that might present themself, them ran back to the drivers seat before slowly proceeding. Yes people i drove with thought it was rediculous but that is how you drive large vehicles and presented with these situations.

Another thing i constantly hear from people rationalizing their accidents is that something "popped out" out of nowhere and there was nothing they can do. Its disgusting. Rarely is it even true, but even if it was here its not like that absolves them of guilt somehow.

These people need to be taught a lesson. But we can start by stop calling them accidents when there is nothing accidental about it. They are negligent, and this was a negligent vehicle operation. The car performed exactly has advertised so i dont see where these people get off calling it an "accident"
 
2011-06-26 10:53:30 PM
Ironically enough, that big SUV was probably purchased on the assumption that a larger vehicle would give the occupants a better chance of survival in a crash.

/it worked
 
2011-06-26 10:55:39 PM
You backed over your son. You're SUPPOSED to feel shiatty. Don't try to wiggle out of it by "helping" people who don't need your help.
 
2011-06-26 10:56:47 PM
I don't blame her for wanting more regulations. She has to come up with some explanation or reason for this happening.
 
2011-06-26 10:58:31 PM

ericbo84: Probably one of those assholes that has their fog lights running when it's perfectly clear out blinding people in smaller more reasonable cars. I seriously want to get out of the car at a light and break their fog lights, it's unnecessary and dangerous.


I would contribute to your legal defense - something to keep in mind in case you ever actually do this. I live in the middle of nowhere and this is a constant annoyance out here in no-streetlight-land.
 
2011-06-26 11:01:55 PM
There was a guy here who killed his kid recently--three years old, and his dad dropped him while he was crossing a flooded creek. To add insult insult to injury, he was also charged with negligent homicide, for being a dumbass and trying to cross a flooded creek, plus he'd been drinking.

I know sometimes parents are incredible dumbasses, but I still feel like that in most cases, if it really was an accident, they shouldn't be charged with anything. They have to live with it for the rest of their lives. But I guess this guy isn't a very upstanding citizen, and....well, sucks to be him.
 
2011-06-26 11:03:17 PM
This is ABSOLUTELY a reason for more federal regulation.

Against people who are obviously much too stupid to be having very small children around very large vehicles. This idiot woman should be prevented from having any more kids, and nobody here on Fark will tell me I'm wrong.
 
2011-06-26 11:04:24 PM
People with small walking age kids: make sure you lock the door whenever you leave or enter your house, even when the other parent or caretaker is sitting on the couch right next to the door. If you have a dextrous kid that can manage to undo locks, put a lock on the top of the door. That would probably resolve most of these deaths. Also, saying bye while in the house so they don't feel the pressing need to try to run after you might help. Taking 30 seconds to show a little affection to your kid might make them less prone to feeling the need to run after you desperately seeking goodbye hugs. Car safety features might help some, but not so much for those who can't afford brand new vehicles. Common sense would save more lives for less money.

Being a loving parent and losing a child would be a horrifying thing to have to go through, particularly when it's due to negligence on your part somehow. That kind of horror isn't something I'd wish on anyone.
 
2011-06-26 11:04:55 PM
"I would talk to someone walking down the street. Do you want to hear what happened to me I did?" said Pauly, 32. "It just makes me feel better."
 
2011-06-26 11:05:52 PM
In my apartment complex there are several cats whose owners let them roam free in the parking lot. I drive a Hyundai Accent and before I get in the car I check around and under the vehicle for any felines. I just don't want to hit one of those cats. The owners, on the other hand...
 
2011-06-26 11:06:35 PM

Gyrfalcon: This is ABSOLUTELY a reason for more federal regulation.

Against people who are obviously much too stupid to be having very small children around very large vehicles. This idiot woman should be prevented from having any more kids, and nobody here on Fark will tell me I'm wrong.


www.wearmeme.com

You're wrong. She shouldn't be prevented from having MORE kids - she should be punished for not taking care of the ones she already had. If, at the conclusion of that punishment, she wants to have more kids, fine. If she doesn't take of those, we'll punish her again. That's how it works. Preventing people that you don't want to have kids from having kids is called eugenics and we ostensibly left it behind in the '50s.
 
2011-06-26 11:07:49 PM

That coward David Lopan: "I would talk to someone walking down the street. Do you want to hear what happened to me I did?" said Pauly, 32. "It just makes me feel better."


+10
 
2011-06-26 11:08:34 PM

ericbo84: Probably one of those assholes that has their fog lights running when it's perfectly clear out blinding people in smaller more reasonable cars. I seriously want to get out of the car at a light and break their fog lights, it's unnecessary and dangerous.


I drive my Tundra with my driving lights on just to piss assholes off... Glad to know that it is working on you. :)
 
2011-06-26 11:09:46 PM

RogermcAllen: If I'm reading this right she was the only 17 children have been killed in private property accidents in the last 8.5 years. That really isn't that many at all. I'm sure you could find thousands of things more dangerous to crusade against that would save a lot more children.


"Frontover"? Donald Trump's hair is killing children?
 
2011-06-26 11:10:13 PM
There ought to be regulations...to breed. A simple intelligence test would do.
 
2011-06-26 11:10:45 PM
Some of y'all need to chill the fark out. What happened to this lady and her family was a tragic, just as any parent losing a child is tragic. There is no need to mock her for her loss.

That being said, I do not disagree with you when you say there isn't a need for more federal regulation. There are many options when buying a car that offer sensors, and/or a rear camera, which possibly would have prevented this tragic situation.

There are options, so if a vehicle doesn't offer rear sensors, or a rear camera, don't buy it, or as others have pointed out, back into your garage so you can see what is in front of you. Don't make raising your child my responsibility.
 
2011-06-26 11:11:06 PM
Stricter regulations are the answer. It should be illegal to run over your kids. If we keep allowing this to happen, people will start running over their kids with lawn mowers and Zambonis and shiat.

The government is only encouraging such behavior by keeping it legal. We need to take drastic action today, for the children.
 
2011-06-26 11:13:26 PM
FTFY

crab66: How many stupid laws do we have because of stupid mothers?


i264.photobucket.com

Hell, we have whole organizations.
 
2011-06-26 11:14:13 PM
jaytkay

People who drive SUVs are by definition self-centered, without concern for other people. They literally don't have the awareness to avoid accidents like this.

Pro tip: You don't need a five thousand pound vehicle to carry your toddler and a gallon of milk, regardless of how fat you are.



So you don't think any families fill an SUV. Do you get out much?
 
2011-06-26 11:14:38 PM
You child needs its own SUV,obviously.
 
2011-06-26 11:14:57 PM

jpo2269: There is no need to mock her for her loss.


I didn't mock her, I sort of mocked her husband for buying a new SUV the week after this happened. If he cared, he should have put her on a moped...like the Phillie Phanatic
 
2011-06-26 11:15:05 PM

styckx: SushiJoe: This woman is brimming with personal responsibility

^ This.

If you read the story. This had ZERO to do with blind spots. The SUV was actually equipped with sensors. Kid ran out of the house and in front of the garage door just at same exact time the SUV backed out. shiatty coinsidence, but a coinsidence nonetheless.

Near all of these cases could have been prevented with something called situational awareness, and contrary to belief that starts before even getting into your vehicle.

In the case told in the story. Not much could prevent it except preventing the kid from darting out the door. Feel bad for her but her crusade is seriously misguided.


They also might have been less likley to happen without tanks and vehicles that morons feel safer in despite the data. But sure, lighter cars, better visibility which helps personal accountability .. absolutely dude, SUVs don't increase the amount of these tragic stories happening
 
2011-06-26 11:15:42 PM

Mega Steve: There ought to be regulations...to breed. A simple intelligence test would do.


I do most of my farking after I've been drinking. Don't cock block me bro!
 
2011-06-26 11:16:14 PM

Sensitiveborderarea: So you don't think any families fill an SUV. Do you get out much?


Families managed just fine before SUVs were common.
 
2011-06-26 11:16:20 PM
Personal responsibility. Parental responsibility.
 
2011-06-26 11:16:36 PM

Egalitarian: Is she crusading against woman drivers?

Because no man ever ran anybody over ...

but srsly I don't understand all the women I see on the interstate in overly large vehicles which are NOT packed full of people/pets/belongings. What do you need that monstrosity for? You're more likely to die in one of those than a modest sedan.

same thing with dudes and big pickup trucks


Now that is a whole 'nother neurosis. It is called "overcompensating", ie: a large vehicle making up for the size they lack in other "aspects" of their body. ; )
 
2011-06-26 11:17:58 PM
All those advocating backing into the parking stall/garage should note that the nationwide stats posted imply frontovers are pretty much as common as backovers.
 
2011-06-26 11:18:58 PM
Wait? They didn't make big SUV's with blind spots before 2006? According to their "info" there were 900 something non trafficincidents from 2006-2010 and only about 110 in the five years before that? So, clearly they never made any big SUV type vehicles before '06.

But, it's called don't speed back so quickly a kid can't react and move, and teach your kid to stay away from the car. You're never going to regulate away stupid.
 
2011-06-26 11:20:36 PM

Sensitiveborderarea: jaytkay

People who drive SUVs are by definition self-centered, without concern for other people. They literally don't have the awareness to avoid accidents like this.

Pro tip: You don't need a five thousand pound vehicle to carry your toddler and a gallon of milk, regardless of how fat you are.


So you don't think any families fill an SUV. Do you get out much?


I submitted this also but they do fill them, and do get out very easily (new window)
 
2011-06-26 11:20:53 PM
I drive an SUV. However, it isn't one of the monstrous school bus sized ones. It is small, holds my kids, hauls my groceries and gets me around town. However, one main difference between my SUV and the typical soccer mom-mobiles, is that I know how to put it into four wheel drive and I use it for recreation. I almost pee myself laughing at the large SUV's that are parked in the back of the parking lot taking up three spaces because the person (usually a lady who is less than 5 feet tall) can't figure out how to park the crap-box. I think that the only government regulation should be an IQ test and a driving test to see if these people buying them can actually handle them. But that would make sense, so they are just going to bubble wrap some more stuff.

For the record, I have kids running all over the place in my neighborhood and none of them look for cars. In the last two years of backing out of my driveway, I have never hit one.
 
2011-06-26 11:21:18 PM
This is nothing more than a mother who knows she killed her child trying to pass off the blame on somebody else so she can sleep at night.
 
2011-06-26 11:22:00 PM

jaytkay: People who drive SUVs are by definition self-centered, without concern for other people. They literally don't have the awareness to avoid accidents like this.

Pro tip: You don't need a five thousand pound vehicle to carry your toddler and a gallon of milk, regardless of how fat you are.


Spoken like someone without kids. I'd love to see you try to fit four kids and their sports equipment into a Prius. Or, are we supposed to buy multiple cars for every occasion?
 
2011-06-26 11:22:09 PM
:(
 
2011-06-26 11:23:54 PM
Yes. That's what we need. More regulations prohibiting stupid people from having kids.
 
2011-06-26 11:25:05 PM

untaken_name: Gyrfalcon: This is ABSOLUTELY a reason for more federal regulation.

Against people who are obviously much too stupid to be having very small children around very large vehicles. This idiot woman should be prevented from having any more kids, and nobody here on Fark will tell me I'm wrong.



You're wrong. She shouldn't be prevented from having MORE kids - she should be punished for not taking care of the ones she already had. If, at the conclusion of that punishment, she wants to have more kids, fine. If she doesn't take of those, we'll punish her again. That's how it works. Preventing people that you don't want to have kids from having kids is called eugenics and we ostensibly left it behind in the '50s.


Piss off. :)

OK, I DRFTA, I didn't know there were already kids. I'll accept your partial correction.
 
2011-06-26 11:26:00 PM

discospinster: In my apartment complex there are several cats whose owners let them roam free in the parking lot. I drive a Hyundai Accent and before I get in the car I check around and under the vehicle for any felines. I just don't want to hit one of those cats.


FTA: Just a week later, Lily was asking her mother why Jack was gone to heaven, like their cat Lucy. Did you hit him?

Five bucks says I know what happened to the cat.

/ I'm so sorry.
 
2011-06-26 11:26:34 PM

blacksheep20: I drive an SUV. However, it isn't one of the monstrous school bus sized ones. It is small, holds my kids, hauls my groceries and gets me around town. However, one main difference between my SUV and the typical soccer mom-mobiles, is that I know how to put it into four wheel drive and I use it for recreation. I almost pee myself laughing at the large SUV's that are parked in the back of the parking lot taking up three spaces because the person (usually a lady who is less than 5 feet tall) can't figure out how to park the crap-box. I think that the only government regulation should be an IQ test and a driving test to see if these people buying them can actually handle them. But that would make sense, so they are just going to bubble wrap some more stuff.

For the record, I have kids running all over the place in my neighborhood and none of them look for cars. In the last two years of backing out of my driveway, I have never hit one.


This is a new one in the SUV culture I haven't seen before. "I have an SUV but it isn't a BIG SUV."

Nice.
 
2011-06-26 11:28:55 PM

ScotterOtter: Spoken like someone without kids. I'd love to see you try to fit four kids and their sports equipment into a Prius. Or, are we supposed to buy multiple cars for every occasion?


Or one could have fewer kids. Don't need all those farmhands anymore. Heir and spare...
 
2011-06-26 11:31:35 PM

jaytkay: Sensitiveborderarea: So you don't think any families fill an SUV. Do you get out much?

Families managed just fine before SUVs were common.


Of course, that was before kids had to sit in car seats until they were 18.
 
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