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2011-06-22 10:47:41 PM
DadOfThree: Farker T:

I think you're already there.

Judging by Father's Day presents, I'm doing pretty good. Here, I'll make you a deal, when you have a boy, I'll let you decide what to do with him, and I'll decide what to do with mine. Them, when my top son and your bottom son meet and marry, we'll have a laugh over it.



I don't mind if you cut your youngsters into jerky strips.

www.quotationsofwisdom.com

Neither does he.
 
2011-06-22 10:47:44 PM
BaronBarracuda: As I said before, he also commanded his people to slaughter the non-believers and loot their stuff. At least most of them decided that was a really stupid thing.

No, G-d didn't and no, we didn't.

You should stick to subjects you know more.
 
2011-06-22 10:49:21 PM
Outlaw Thirds: Thrag: jjorsett: San Francisco's America is a land in which parents would be forced into back-alley circumcisions.

You might want to save the ridiculous hyperbole for the unlikely event that the ban actually passes.

That's actually the best point anyone has made thus far. As Tats said, banning it won't make it stop, it's just a question of if it'll be done clinically or by non-doctors. Honestly, it's probably best to let the doctors handle it.



The hackers that Tats runs with are not doctors.
 
2011-06-22 10:50:31 PM
I apologize profusely that my being bugged by pointless mutilating of children annoys you. Foot-binding was an honored tradition in China, should we bring it back and tell people to stop biatching about it?

Comparing a procedure that results in permanent disability to one that results in....well, it doesn't really result in anything, is intellectually dishonest at best. You do know they don't remove the whole penis during the circumcision right? They don't even really touch the penis, just the flap of skin covering the tip? I'm hoping we're just talking about two different things because I have no idea why you would be working yourself into a lather over something so trivial.
 
2011-06-22 10:56:23 PM
So spanking a deserving brat is news worthy but chopping off a piece of a baby's penis is OK?

Why would anyone want thier baby to go through that pain and risk an infection after?

Part of it is due to myths about masturbation. Removing the foreskin was thought to prevent it.

Kids can't help but feel a driving desire for sexual release, it's hormones.
Masturbation is a healthy way to battle those feeling vs reproducing at too early an age.

As my pediatrician said when I asked his opinion, there is no medical reason to justify a circumcision.
 
2011-06-22 10:56:34 PM
Farker T: DadOfThree: Farker T:
I don't mind if you cut your youngsters into jerky strips.
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Great... So you're against the law and open to parental choice?
 
2011-06-22 10:59:15 PM
Tatsuma: BaronBarracuda: As I said before, he also commanded his people to slaughter the non-believers and loot their stuff. At least most of them decided that was a really stupid thing.

No, G-d didn't and no, we didn't.

You should stick to subjects you know more.


Says it in the Bible, Old Testament.

I had Snu Snu: I apologize profusely that my being bugged by pointless mutilating of children annoys you. Foot-binding was an honored tradition in China, should we bring it back and tell people to stop biatching about it?

Comparing a procedure that results in permanent disability to one that results in....well, it doesn't really result in anything, is intellectually dishonest at best. You do know they don't remove the whole penis during the circumcision right? They don't even really touch the penis, just the flap of skin covering the tip? I'm hoping we're just talking about two different things because I have no idea why you would be working yourself into a lather over something so trivial.


They both mutilations for aesthetics. Pointless. China thought women looked cuter with teeny-tiny feet, we think guys look better with sliced cocks. As for "doesn't result in anything", someone up the line talked about his friend who lost a testicle due to an infection caused by his circumcision, so yes the procedure carries far more risk than just leaving it alone will ever have.
 
2011-06-22 11:00:32 PM
A similar bill was attempted in San Diego by Matthew Hess.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=786823808

If you are the religious type who believes that the snip off the tip is part of an agreement with God that your religious homeland will always belong to your religion, then you might have a problem with this bill. And when you add in the comic that Matthew Hess wrote and produced.

http://www.foreskinman.com/

I don't know, I might think that this bill was more about being anti-semite than it was about the babies.
 
2011-06-22 11:04:15 PM
AverageAmericanGuy: BaronBarracuda: Tatsuma: Outlaw Thirds: If cops came in and caused problems for the circumcisers, whoever they are, I'm saying that it would push the practice underground, and inevitably lead to less skillfully preformed operations.

Well, not really it would just mean that the mohelim that we use would not act openly, but would be easy to find word of mouth.

Seriously, we managed to do this under the Soviets, do you really think cops in America would stop us?

Why is it so important to Jews that a small bit of skin is cut off of males? Once it might have been smart, in a place with lots of sand and little water and little concept of hygiene. But it's pointless now, all it is is for show.

God said to do it. Why is that hard to understand?


www.bluecorncomics.com

Exactly.
 
2011-06-22 11:04:33 PM
avictor: So spanking a deserving brat is news worthy but chopping off a piece of a baby's penis is OK?

Why would anyone want thier baby to go through that pain and risk an infection after?

Part of it is due to myths about masturbation. Removing the foreskin was thought to prevent it.

Kids can't help but feel a driving desire for sexual release, it's hormones.
Masturbation is a healthy way to battle those feeling vs reproducing at too early an age.

As my pediatrician said when I asked his opinion, there is no medical reason to justify a circumcision.


I've never heard of any connection between circumcision and masturbation. Not a guy, but having known quite a few, cut guys engage in plenty of self-pleasuring activities. I haven't seen that being cut has slowed them down.

Also, true, there's no compelling medical reason to circumcise, but there's also no compelling medical reason NOT TO; hence the medical community doesn't have an official opinion either way. The pain is minimal, and the risk of infection is low. What else ya got?
 
2011-06-22 11:04:45 PM
GladGirl: I'm due to give birth to a male baby in San Francisco right when this law would pass, so its outcome is of keen interest to me. I can see both sides of the debate, so in the end, I'm letting my husband make the decision as to what'll happen to our little guy's shlong.

I said the same thing and it makes perfect sense. His father has one, you don't he should have final say.

My husband chose to circumcise our son.
As he was leaving the house for the appt with him I cried and asked why he wanted to hurt my baby.

My motherly instincts really kicked in. He was leaving to have a piece of my sons newborn body cut off for no reason.

My husband stopped dead in his tracks and said OK, lets not.
He appreciated I gave him the choice.

Knowing myself I would have called the doctors office and threatened to sue if they touched my son.

Talk about with your husband and get him to know doing so is a bad decision.
It is purely cosmetic and babys have had their penises cut off during the process others died to post procedure infections.

When my son was at the docs for some shots the waiting room was packed with Moms and babys
I asked out loud who was doing circumcision.

AT least 12 moms and ONLY one was. So not like an uncircumcised kid will be a freak in the locker room.
 
2011-06-22 11:07:44 PM
My son is 8 and knows why his doesn't look like Dads.
During the discussion he said too bad grandma let a doctor butcher Dads pee-pee.
Thanks Mom.
 
2011-06-22 11:08:41 PM
BaronBarracuda: They both mutilations for aesthetics. Pointless. China thought women looked cuter with teeny-tiny feet, we think guys look better with sliced cocks. As for "doesn't result in anything", someone up the line talked about his friend who lost a testicle due to an infection caused by his circumcision, so yes the procedure carries far more risk than just leaving it alone will ever have.

Your comparison might be valid if the lost testicle were an intended consequence of the procedure, and not an extremely rare yet unfortunate unforeseen complication. But that's not the case.

By the way, uncut peeners aren't immune to infections. Keep trying.
 
2011-06-22 11:08:46 PM
It is never to late for a circumcision. But one cannot be undone.
 
2011-06-22 11:09:50 PM
I had Snu Snu: CSB: My best friend growing up wasn't circumcised when he was a child and decided he wanted it done in his 20's, he was a big tough guy and he cried like a little girl for days and repeatedly called his mother and yelled at her for not having it done when he was a baby.


Your friend is an idiot, and you are a cruel SOB for advocating putting infants through that kind of torture.
 
2011-06-22 11:10:44 PM
If you atheists want to keep your dick cheese, have at it. Don't expect everyone else to join in your uncleanliness.
 
2011-06-22 11:11:04 PM
Farker T: Little.Alex: Farker T: Little.Alex: VS.

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"Lack of male circumcision has also been associated with sexually transmitted genital ulcer disease and chlamydia, infant urinary tract infections, penile cancer, and cervical cancer in female partners of uncircumcised men [1]. The latter two conditions are related to human papillomavirus (HPV) infection. Transmission of this virus is also associated with lack of male circumcision. A recent meta-analysis included 26 studies that assessed the association between male circumcision and risk for genital ulcer disease. The analysis concluded that there was a significantly lower risk for syphilis and chancroid among circumcised men, whereas the reduced risk of herpes simplex virus type 2 infection had a borderline statistical significance"

I'm just saying...


Yeah, and unwashed hands can spread hepatitis.

Do you also advocate cutting off the hands of infants?



I can tell you're a deep thinker.
 
2011-06-22 11:14:01 PM
Shenanigans!: I had Snu Snu: CSB: My best friend growing up wasn't circumcised when he was a child and decided he wanted it done in his 20's, he was a big tough guy and he cried like a little girl for days and repeatedly called his mother and yelled at her for not having it done when he was a baby.

Yeah, I've heard the procedure and recovery process are a hell of a lot more painful for adult men than than for infants, not because infants are so tough or forget how bad it was, but because the peener hasn't fully developed yet as an infant..



Really? Have you asked freshly cut infants their opinion on the matter?

Shenanigans indeed.
 
2011-06-22 11:14:03 PM
avictor: It is never to late for a circumcision. But one cannot be undone.

I agree. That's pretty much the argument I used with my husband - he wanted to have our kid cut as well. But as strongly as I feel it's the right choice not to circumcise my kid, I still think it's a choice every parent should have the right to make themselves.
 
2011-06-22 11:15:15 PM
Tatsuma: Outlaw Thirds: If cops came in and caused problems for the circumcisers, whoever they are, I'm saying that it would push the practice underground, and inevitably lead to less skillfully preformed operations.

Well, not really it would just mean that the mohelim that we use would not act openly, but would be easy to find word of mouth.

Seriously, we managed to do this under the Soviets, do you really think cops in America would stop us?


I get the whole God commanded Abraham, I really do. But with so many obscure rules scattered through the texts of J, M and C, why do people cherry pick and latch on to things like circumcision, yet disregard things like not wearing mixed fibre clothing or eating shrimp? I mean have you read Leviticus? How is that god-given little piece of skin on the end of a penis more important than so many other commands? Isn't ritualistic emphasis at the expense of moral adherence an abomination i.e 1Cor 7:18-19?
 
2011-06-22 11:16:39 PM
Shenanigans!: BaronBarracuda: They both mutilations for aesthetics. Pointless. China thought women looked cuter with teeny-tiny feet, we think guys look better with sliced cocks. As for "doesn't result in anything", someone up the line talked about his friend who lost a testicle due to an infection caused by his circumcision, so yes the procedure carries far more risk than just leaving it alone will ever have.

Your comparison might be valid if the lost testicle were an intended consequence of the procedure, and not an extremely rare yet unfortunate unforeseen complication. But that's not the case.

By the way, uncut peeners aren't immune to infections. Keep trying.


Good points. I personally think the boy should get to decide on his own.

No one disputes masturbation is more enjoyable for those who have a foreskin.
More then one religion used that as reason to circumcise.

There is obviously nothing wrong with circumcised penises. easy to clean and never had to have their Mom say 'don't forget to pull back the skin and clean it' and I hate how certain 'groups' try to make one or the other superior.

IN the end whatever the penis looks like that gives me pleasure will be the most beautiful type, to me in my head.
The familiar looking pleasure making penis cut or uncut doesn't matter.

My hubby is cut my son uncut. If my son wants to be cut later I will gladly pay.
 
2011-06-22 11:17:09 PM
BaronBarracuda: Tatsuma: BaronBarracuda: As I said before, he also commanded his people to slaughter the non-believers and loot their stuff. At least most of them decided that was a really stupid thing.

No, G-d didn't and no, we didn't.

You should stick to subjects you know more.

Says it in the Bible, Old Testament.

I had Snu Snu: I apologize profusely that my being bugged by pointless mutilating of children annoys you. Foot-binding was an honored tradition in China, should we bring it back and tell people to stop biatching about it?

Comparing a procedure that results in permanent disability to one that results in....well, it doesn't really result in anything, is intellectually dishonest at best. You do know they don't remove the whole penis during the circumcision right? They don't even really touch the penis, just the flap of skin covering the tip? I'm hoping we're just talking about two different things because I have no idea why you would be working yourself into a lather over something so trivial.

They both mutilations for aesthetics. Pointless. China thought women looked cuter with teeny-tiny feet, we think guys look better with sliced cocks.


I'll concede the point that they are both for aesthetics but can you honestly not grasp the difference between permant and lifelong disability and removing a tiny piece of skin covering the tip of a penis? You're really struggling here aren't you? It's like saying milk should be banned because people drink alcohol and then drive and crash cars. I mean they're both drinks right? So they both have to go.

As for "doesn't result in anything", someone up the line talked about his friend who lost a testicle due to an infection caused by his circumcision, so yes the procedure carries far more risk than just leaving it alone will ever have.

Link (Death from tongue piercing)

So where is your moral outrage for piercing, my article trumps your second hand anecdote. Should parents be punished for mutilating their children if they cut their hair? If they trim their nails? Where are we drawing the line?
 
2011-06-22 11:17:22 PM
Farker T: Really? Have you asked freshly cut infants their opinion on the matter?

Shenanigans indeed.


Nope, got my info from a pediatrician at a childcare class who has been involved in many, many circumcisions. And how many foreskin-free infants have told you otherwise?
 
2011-06-22 11:17:23 PM
Tatsuma: Shenanigans!: Yeah, I've heard the procedure and recovery process are a hell of a lot more painful for adult men than than for infants, not because infants are so tough or forget how bad it was, but because the peener hasn't fully developed yet as an infant.

the children really don't seem to suffer at all. Seriously, I probably go to one brit milah a month, they basically cry for about 10 seconds (and the circumcision takes about 5 seconds)

They really do seem more freaked out by having so many people around them talking loud and singing and dancing than they are by the procedure.



A lunatic testifies about his tribal lunacy.
 
2011-06-22 11:20:42 PM
avictor: My hubby is cut my son uncut. If my son wants to be cut later I will gladly pay.

Sound like our situations are very similar...except I think I'm gonna make mine do household chores to earn the $$ for his circumcision if he decides he wants one...no free rides kid!
 
2011-06-22 11:22:47 PM
Farker T: I had Snu Snu: CSB: My best friend growing up wasn't circumcised when he was a child and decided he wanted it done in his 20's, he was a big tough guy and he cried like a little girl for days and repeatedly called his mother and yelled at her for not having it done when he was a baby.


Your friend is an idiot, and you are a cruel SOB for advocating putting infants through that kind of torture.



You're great with the name calling, but have you seen a post-circ penis, or maintained one? It was red for three days and we had to put vaseline with every diaper change, no painkillers needed, as he didn't cry. Small price to pay for the benefits. Torture? Certainly not.
 
2011-06-22 11:23:09 PM
Farker T: I had Snu Snu: CSB: My best friend growing up wasn't circumcised when he was a child and decided he wanted it done in his 20's, he was a big tough guy and he cried like a little girl for days and repeatedly called his mother and yelled at her for not having it done when he was a baby.


Your friend is an idiot, and you are a cruel SOB for advocating putting infants through that kind of torture.


Ask any of the guys here that are circumcised if they remember their 'torture'. If you can't make a point without throwing words like 'torture' and 'mutilation' around then you might need to think about how strong your case really is. If you want to not have it done to your children then that's your right, nobody on the planet is going to have a problem with it. If you're really this obssessed about my sons penis however, maybe it's best if you don't have any children of your own.
 
2011-06-22 11:24:20 PM
It's interesting how many people do support the idea that there is something wrong with males when they are born.
 
2011-06-22 11:24:36 PM
I had Snu Snu: BaronBarracuda: Tatsuma: Outlaw Thirds: If cops came in and caused problems for the circumcisers, whoever they are, I'm saying that it would push the practice underground, and inevitably lead to less skillfully preformed operations.

Well, not really it would just mean that the mohelim that we use would not act openly, but would be easy to find word of mouth.

Seriously, we managed to do this under the Soviets, do you really think cops in America would stop us?

Why is it so important to Jews that a small bit of skin is cut off of males? Once it might have been smart, in a place with lots of sand and little water and little concept of hygiene. But it's pointless now, all it is is for show.

Why is it so important to so many people to poke holes in chidren to insert shiny rocks and/or metals? It may have once served a religious purpose but has now just become part of our culture. Removing the foreskin really doesn't change anything, you people are really reaching here and while it is quite amusing it's grown somewhat pathetic. Nobody is telling you what to do with your children, don't tell us what to do with ours. They won't suffer any discrimination or think that mommy and daddy are ashamed of them because they circumcised them.

CSB: My best friend growing up wasn't circumcised when he was a child and decided he wanted it done in his 20's, he was a big tough guy and he cried like a little girl for days and repeatedly called his mother and yelled at her for not having it done when he was a baby.


Cool Story Bro Warning (and graphic):

I'm the victim of a butchered circumcision. The doctor had removed too much skin to the point a hard-on caused pain. It left me with a permanent urinary problem called meatal stenosis (ironically drastically increasing my chances of a UTI). Growing up like that, I simply got used to what was wrong, not realizing that what I was growing up with wasn't normal. I didn't think to ask my parents. One doesn't see the certain problems I had during infancy. Growing up when I had the urges and wanted to "indulge" it hurt a lot. I simply thought I was doing it wrong. When I actually bled once, I gave up. Wet dreams made me wake up in pure pain.

Perhaps there is some blame on my part for not looking into it sooner. Then again, since I had grown up like this, I didn't know what being normal felt like. I finally asked a doctor when I was 20 and we found out the problems. I spent two years of slow "repair work" shall we say, simply to get myself to a "functioning" level. I finally knew what pleasure was when I was 21. When I looked into legal action: it turns out medical malpractice's statute of limitations is three years. In other words, I was supposed to figure out by the time I was three that sex would hurt and I had a urinary issue.

I can't afford the surgery for the meatal stenosis. Various sources have its statistics at as low as 1% to as high as 10%. I tried to talk to my parents about it, but I was told I was being childish and instead focus on my studies (despite a 3.89/4 GPA). It has gravely affected my relationship with them, particularly issues of trust.

I will likely remain virginal and single my whole life. The various dates, when we get to that level in a relationship find themselves unable to deal with this aspect in my life. I had a run of about two years of anger about the issue, but I've come to terms with it all. I have my mind, my health, my friends, and my music. I am happy.

Others aren't as lucky as me. I spoke with one man who's beyond a level of repairing like I was. Others in my same situation though have completely broken their family bonds or unable to cope that they have been injured. It seems circumcision mishaps happen more often than we realize, and they only come to light as they grow older - sometimes after their doctor has passed away.

As I said, I'm content with life. I'm living full with what I've got. That doesn't mean I don't wonder though how things would have been different if I'd simply been left in one piece. I'd take the "risks" of a foreskin than living like this any day. But I'm alive and I'm here, and I'll live a day at a time. Perhaps one day my parents will stop pestering me on why I can't find a partner.

/end cool story bro. Sorry, long.
 
2011-06-22 11:25:01 PM
Tatsuma: BaronBarracuda: As I said before, he also commanded his people to slaughter the non-believers and loot their stuff. At least most of them decided that was a really stupid thing.

No, G-d didn't and no, we didn't.

You should stick to subjects you know more.



"But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God."

--Deuteronomy 20:16-18


You really should choose your lies more carefully Tats.

Makes you look all the more the fool - if that is possible.
 
2011-06-22 11:25:38 PM
Shenanigans!: BaronBarracuda: They both mutilations for aesthetics. Pointless. China thought women looked cuter with teeny-tiny feet, we think guys look better with sliced cocks. As for "doesn't result in anything", someone up the line talked about his friend who lost a testicle due to an infection caused by his circumcision, so yes the procedure carries far more risk than just leaving it alone will ever have.

Your comparison might be valid if the lost testicle were an intended consequence of the procedure, and not an extremely rare yet unfortunate unforeseen complication. But that's not the case.

By the way, uncut peeners aren't immune to infections. Keep trying.


Did I say that? I did not. Please don't put words in my mouth, thank you.

Any penis can get infected. Cut or uncut, doesn't matter. Being uncut only increases it by a tiny smidgen, and most of that is easily remedied by hygiene.
 
2011-06-22 11:29:03 PM
Shenanigans!: avictor: It is never to late for a circumcision. But one cannot be undone.

I agree. That's pretty much the argument I used with my husband - he wanted to have our kid cut as well. But as strongly as I feel it's the right choice not to circumcise my kid, I still think it's a choice every parent should have the right to make themselves.


I agree boys have been cirustized for a century with little statistical backlash. No harm no foul.

I think as parents many more important decisions have been taken away. It's almost comical in COMPARISON this is still a parental right.
Not saying it shouldn't be but still very contradictory.

We can't even spank our kids on the backside without some buttintsky calling CPS
IF my teen bullied another and I CHOSE to make her stand at a street corner with a sigh saying 'I WAS A BULLY', let her fell how it felt getting the disgusted looks by all who passed well then CPS should butt out.

Doctors who are guided and paid by pharmaceutical companies get to dictate the proper way to raise kids, despite they don't even have any.

The circumcision debate is ridiculous. It boils down to a parent deciding what they want their boys penis to look like.
It is cosmetic surgery.
 
2011-06-22 11:31:26 PM
I should be more succinct.

Circumcision boils down to a parent deciding what they want their boys penis to look like.
It is cosmetic surgery.
 
2011-06-22 11:37:07 PM
avictor: Shenanigans!: avictor: It is never to late for a circumcision. But one cannot be undone.

I agree. That's pretty much the argument I used with my husband - he wanted to have our kid cut as well. But as strongly as I feel it's the right choice not to circumcise my kid, I still think it's a choice every parent should have the right to make themselves.

I agree boys have been cirustized for a century with little statistical backlash. No harm no foul.

I think as parents many more important decisions have been taken away. It's almost comical in COMPARISON this is still a parental right.
Not saying it shouldn't be but still very contradictory.

We can't even spank our kids on the backside without some buttintsky calling CPS
IF my teen bullied another and I CHOSE to make her stand at a street corner with a sigh saying 'I WAS A BULLY', let her fell how it felt getting the disgusted looks by all who passed well then CPS should butt out.

Doctors who are guided and paid by pharmaceutical companies get to dictate the proper way to raise kids, despite they don't even have any.

The circumcision debate is ridiculous. It boils down to a parent deciding what they want their boys penis to look like.
It is cosmetic surgery.


Doctors once prescribed cocaine, speed, and methamphetamine to children for everything from lethargy to colds to ADD. They also lauded lobotomies as the most wonderful way to cure depression and fix behavioral problems. It's safe to say that sometimes they are *gasp* wrong.

Yes, it is a cosmetic surgery. And like all cosmetic surgeries, it's pointless and runs the risk of infection and/or mistake. As a few people above have now noted, very bad things can happen when you fark up cutting up a penis, especially a newborn penis that hasn't developed.

It. Is. A. Useless. Procedure. That. Does. Nothing.
 
2011-06-22 11:37:10 PM
DadOfThree: Just like how I cut my girls ears, for earings, I cut my son... Because it's easier to do it now rather than later. And if my son turns out to be an inactivist, then I have failed as a father. And that failure will have nothing to do with the fact that he is not an anteater.

Wait. You cut your boys foreskin off for the same reason you pierced your girls ears? WTF?
 
2011-06-22 11:37:23 PM
Shenanigans!: BaronBarracuda: They both mutilations for aesthetics. Pointless. China thought women looked cuter with teeny-tiny feet, we think guys look better with sliced cocks. As for "doesn't result in anything", someone up the line talked about his friend who lost a testicle due to an infection caused by his circumcision, so yes the procedure carries far more risk than just leaving it alone will ever have.

Your comparison might be valid if the lost testicle were an intended consequence of the procedure, and not an extremely rare yet unfortunate unforeseen complication. But that's not the case.

By the way, uncut peeners aren't immune to infections. Keep trying.



FAIL.

The kid is born with a foreskin, it's part of the package that has to be surgically removed.

The burden is on you to justify this procedure, not the other way-round.

Off you go, then.
 
2011-06-22 11:38:32 PM
I should be more succinct.

Circumcision boils down to a parent deciding what they want their boys penis to look like.
It is cosmetic surgery.

Why don't anti-circumcision zealots use that as an argument?
If that become public acceptable knowledge then insurance wont pay.
Why have the insurance companies not funded a movement just so they don't have to pay for it?

Someone or people up the chain still rally for circumcision. It is the anti-circumcision groups fault.
They try to make a circumcised penis seem inferior.

There is nothing wrong with a cut one but also nothing wrong with an uncut one.
So why cut one?
 
2011-06-22 11:39:07 PM
Yes I see my own fail.
 
2011-06-22 11:39:18 PM
muck4doo: If you atheists want to keep your dick cheese, have at it. Don't expect everyone else to join in your uncleanliness.

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2011-06-22 11:41:33 PM
Little.Alex: Farker T: Little.Alex: Farker T: Little.Alex: VS.

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"Lack of male circumcision has also been associated with sexually transmitted genital ulcer disease and chlamydia, infant urinary tract infections, penile cancer, and cervical cancer in female partners of uncircumcised men [1]. The latter two conditions are related to human papillomavirus (HPV) infection. Transmission of this virus is also associated with lack of male circumcision. A recent meta-analysis included 26 studies that assessed the association between male circumcision and risk for genital ulcer disease. The analysis concluded that there was a significantly lower risk for syphilis and chancroid among circumcised men, whereas the reduced risk of herpes simplex virus type 2 infection had a borderline statistical significance"

I'm just saying...


Yeah, and unwashed hands can spread hepatitis.

Do you also advocate cutting off the hands of infants?


I can tell you're a deep thinker.



Circumcision is a no-brainer.

Cut and dried.
 
2011-06-22 11:43:15 PM
muck4doo: If you atheists want to keep your dick cheese, have at it. Don't expect everyone else to join in your uncleanliness.

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2011-06-22 11:43:31 PM
Farker T: Tatsuma: BaronBarracuda: As I said before, he also commanded his people to slaughter the non-believers and loot their stuff. At least most of them decided that was a really stupid thing.

No, G-d didn't and no, we didn't.

You should stick to subjects you know more.


"But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God."

--Deuteronomy 20:16-18


You really should choose your lies more carefully Tats.

Makes you look all the more the fool - if that is possible.


Hey, looks like we found ForeskinMan.
 
2011-06-22 11:44:44 PM
sjcousins: Tatsuma: Outlaw Thirds: If cops came in and caused problems for the circumcisers, whoever they are, I'm saying that it would push the practice underground, and inevitably lead to less skillfully preformed operations.

Well, not really it would just mean that the mohelim that we use would not act openly, but would be easy to find word of mouth.

Seriously, we managed to do this under the Soviets, do you really think cops in America would stop us?

I get the whole God commanded Abraham, I really do. But with so many obscure rules scattered through the texts of J, M and C, why do people cherry pick and latch on to things like circumcision, yet disregard things like not wearing mixed fibre clothing or eating shrimp? I mean have you read Leviticus? How is that god-given little piece of skin on the end of a penis more important than so many other commands? Isn't ritualistic emphasis at the expense of moral adherence an abomination i.e 1Cor 7:18-19?



TatsumaCo doesn't do the New Testament.
 
2011-06-22 11:46:58 PM
sjcousins: DadOfThree: Just like how I cut my girls ears, for earings, I cut my son... Because it's easier to do it now rather than later. And if my son turns out to be an inactivist, then I have failed as a father. And that failure will have nothing to do with the fact that he is not an anteater.

Wait. You cut your boys foreskin off for the same reason you pierced your girls ears? WTF?


The point is that as a parent, you have to make decisions as part of that responsibility. I didn't want the girls tugging at their pierced ear, so we had it done at three months instead of two years. For my son, I took into account cleanliness, general health, and yes, desirability of the opposite sex into account. The fact that my granddad had to get his done at 17 (big head, tight skin. Hard ons that last for days) also played a part.
 
2011-06-22 11:48:22 PM
Farker T: TatsumaCo doesn't do the New Testament.

Good point well made
 
2011-06-22 11:49:30 PM
I had Snu Snu: Link (Death from tongue piercing)

You're defending stupidity by citing stupidity?

Brilliant.
 
2011-06-22 11:49:57 PM
Farker T: The burden is on you to justify this procedure, not the other way-round.

LOL, I don't have to justify anything - I'm not the one making wild claims for or against. I've made the decision for my child that he will not be cut, unless at some point he decides it's what he wants. However, I don't seek to deny other parents the right to make the choice for their sons, because I see no compelling argument to convince me it's the wrong choice. It's not the choice I'd make, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
 
2011-06-22 11:51:50 PM
DadOfThree: sjcousins: DadOfThree: Just like how I cut my girls ears, for earings, I cut my son... Because it's easier to do it now rather than later. And if my son turns out to be an inactivist, then I have failed as a father. And that failure will have nothing to do with the fact that he is not an anteater.

Wait. You cut your boys foreskin off for the same reason you pierced your girls ears? WTF?

The point is that as a parent, you have to make decisions as part of that responsibility. I didn't want the girls tugging at their pierced ear, so we had it done at three months instead of two years. For my son, I took into account cleanliness, general health, and yes, desirability of the opposite sex into account. The fact that my granddad had to get his done at 17 (big head, tight skin. Hard ons that last for days) also played a part.


How many thousands of women did you interview? From what I've heard and read in national and worldwide surveys women don't find the penis attractive at all, cut or uncut. And you asked women that will be much older than your son when he reaches the age to be thinking about showing his penis off to people. Things change in a decade and a half's time. And not all children end up appreciating their parents having cosmetic surgery done to them when they get old enough to find out about it.
 
2011-06-22 11:53:23 PM
Shenanigans!: Farker T: Really? Have you asked freshly cut infants their opinion on the matter?

Shenanigans indeed.

Nope, got my info from a pediatrician at a childcare class who has been involved in many, many circumcisions. And how many foreskin-free infants have told you otherwise?



I've never had a dog tell me that it hurts to get shot with an arrow. Should I assume that it doesn't cause pain and trauma to the dog?
 
2011-06-22 11:54:21 PM

And most of the studies conducted report no significant change in sexual performance or pleasure.


Um as a woman who has had sex with a cut and uncut guy...

I rather go with the Uncut there is a a huge difference it feels so much better I came so much it just didn't stop. i seriously contemplating marrying the guy the next day.
 
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