At Vero Beach
Far away in time

Doesn't look like a Mastodon to me. Here's a picture of a Mastodon:




/Hot like the Capitals just before the playoffs :(

Was this before or after the Israelis came across the ocean to settle here and become indians?

Subby, his name was Takla. And he was a friend of mine.

Bevets:

All I see is a rock with some random scratches. There are rocks with random scratches all over the world. I have some in my backyard. Maybe the Smithsonian would be interested in those too.

That is probably due to you not being educated, trained or an expert in the fields of study that are relevant to the subject at hand.

When I look at the stars at night all I see are a bunch of flickering dots yet I do not think that this simple observation holds any weight against trained astronomers. When I look at trees all I see is some wood, bark and leaves, yet I do not think this simple observation holds weight against trained biologist.

We respect the opinions of people who are educated, trained and experts in their fields for a very good reason. Not all opinions are held equal when it comes to examination of evidence.

DeadNotSleeping:

That is probably due to you not being educated, trained or an expert in the fields of study that are relevant to the subject at hand.

When I look at the stars at night all I see are a bunch of flickering dots yet I do not think that this simple observation holds any weight against trained astronomers. When I look at trees all I see is some wood, bark and leaves, yet I do not think this simple observation holds weight against trained biologist.

We respect the opinions of people who are educated, trained and experts in their fields for a very good reason. Not all opinions are held equal when it comes to examination of evidence.

You dumb bastard, everyone knows what those glowing dots in the sky at night really are. They're fireflies. Fireflies that, uh... got stuck up on that big bluish-black thing.

Bevets: All I see is a rock with some random scratches...

really? that's really "all you see" here? really?


remember, this was carved in a mastodon bone
you don't see tusks? you don't see the tail, or the trunk, or the legs? or the head? really?

you're probably not are archeologist, are you

It is photoshopped, I can tell by the pixels.

tinyarena: Bevets: All I see is a rock with some random scratches...

really? that's really "all you see" here? really?


remember, this was carved in a mastodon bone
you don't see tusks? you don't see the tail, or the trunk, or the legs? or the head? really?

you're probably not are archeologist, are you

That looks like a god-damn Elcor to me.

I imagine there is a lot more art like this in the Americas, just underwater off our coasts.

Meethos: That looks like a god-damn Elcor to me.

Oh.My.God.you're right!

tinyarena: you're probably not are archeologist, are you

Some day, a few hundred or a few thousand years from now, an archeologist is going to be digging up what used to be a corner of my backyard, and they are going to find all the debitage from me making stone points, and conclude that this was the heart of some Indian village or something.

I'll be laughing at them in my grave.

Bevets: Bevets:

All I see is a rock with some random scratches. There are rocks with random scratches all over the world. I have some in my backyard. Maybe the Smithsonian would be interested in those too.

tinyarena:

really? that's really "all you see" here? really?

remember, this was carved in a mastodon bone
you don't see tusks? you don't see the tail, or the trunk, or the legs? or the head? really?

Did the 'artist' sign the 'artwork'? Did anyone find a fingerprint?

Do you think a signature and fingerprint is necessary to conclude that carvings exist on a piece of bone showing an animal shape? This is in addition to this piece of bone being found in a human settlement site where human and ice age animal remains have been found. Do you require fingerprints and a signature on all pieces of human artwork? I think that standard would not serve you very well.

Best take it to the pawn shop and have it authenticated.

Bevets: The bone was discovered in Vero Beach, Fla. by James Kennedy, an avocational fossil hunter, who collected the bone and later while cleaning the bone, discovered the engraving. Recognizing its potential importance, Kennedy contacted scientists at the University of Florida and the Smithsonian's Museum Conservation Institute and National Museum of Natural History.

"This is an incredibly exciting discovery," said Dennis Stanford, anthropologist at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History and co-author of this research.

All I see is a rock with some random scratches. There are rocks with random scratches all over the world. I have some in my backyard. Maybe the Smithsonian would be interested in those too.

I think they found signed artwork by Bevets at the Old Troll Site.

Bevets: Bevets:

All I see is a rock with some random scratches. There are rocks with random scratches all over the world. I have some in my backyard. Maybe the Smithsonian would be interested in those too.

tinyarena:

really? that's really "all you see" here? really?

remember, this was carved in a mastodon bone
you don't see tusks? you don't see the tail, or the trunk, or the legs? or the head? really?

Did the 'artist' sign the 'artwork'? Did anyone find a fingerprint?

Nobody has the signature or fingerprint of the writer of Beowulf. Are you going to argue that, rather than being a story, it's just a bunch of scratches on paper/parchment/whatever?

Now now everyone, leave Bevets: alone

I think Meethos: was right. It's definitely an Elcor


Look it's even signed. Just like he said it would be.

Bevets: Bevets:

All I see is a rock with some random scratches. There are rocks with random scratches all over the world. I have some in my backyard. Maybe the Smithsonian would be interested in those too.

tinyarena:

really? that's really "all you see" here? really?

remember, this was carved in a mastodon bone
you don't see tusks? you don't see the tail, or the trunk, or the legs? or the head? really?

Did the 'artist' sign the 'artwork'? Did anyone find a fingerprint?



Yes he did, it's clearly Satan's signature, which means that you were right all along

I bet Bevets has seen Jesus' face on a piece of toast.

Bevets: Bevets:

Without a signature we MUST assume natural causes. Havent you heard about the scientific method?

Well, no (I know, feeding troll=bad). Scientific Method ^tm has nothing to do with this. If you are stating that it is a natural phenomena, then you would use that as your theory and use the Scientific Method ^tm to test your theory. If you are stating it is man-made, the same holds true.

In neither case (nor any other one I can come up with), would you say that Scientific Method ^tm dictates that you must assume anything. It, in and of itself, is the process of testing assumptions/theories, etc.

If you wish to assume it was done by Satan who was being used by God at the behest of FSM to test the faith of Bevets, you could then attempt to use the Scientific Method ^tm to support or deny this. (Granted, in this case, empirical evidence would be tricky, deities are chimerical at best).

\\feel better
\please continue.

Bevets:
Without a signature we MUST assume natural causes. Havent you heard about the scientific method?

False. We can use the scientific method to test multiple hypothesis. In fact the link (did you read it?) speaks of the skepticism the scientists initially held.

Not only did they have to determine these were man made marks, but also that they were not made with metal tools and the marks showed natural aging that would be consistent with the time frame being proposed.

Again, as you seem to have ignored this, it was found at a site that was found to have evidence of humans and ice age animal remains. Scientists also have access to bones w/ natural markings and indentations to compare with man made markings. They used optical and electron microscopes to study the markings in extreme detail to verify they were both man made and made using age appropriate tools given the proposed time frame.

Could it be a forgery? Technically yes. Could it be natural markings that just happen to look made by ancient humans using primitive tools? Technically yes. Could it just happen to look like a mastadon? Technically yes.

However, there is no reason to discount the findings because things are technically possible as science does not deal in absolute truth, only the best explanation given the evidence.

I honestly have no idea why you even have issue with their findings unless it contradicts some theological position you hold as you've given no reason to think you dispute the scientific validity of the conclusions reached.

i think it looks more like an elephant with a 16" 50 cal Mark 7 gun with 2 barrels on its head, instead of the normal 3.

But it is fun spending a little time with Bevets though. A Fark fixture.DeadNotSleeping: I honestly have no idea why you even have issue with their findings unless it contradicts some theological position you hold as you've given no reason to think you dispute the scientific validity of the conclusions reached.

Dude, who do you think submitted the article? This is getting old.

Bev/Alt submits science article
Admins know not to put it on Main Page
Bev is at the top of thread
Thread wanders and dies
rinse~repeat

It's mindless fun. Like throwing tomatos at the Town Fool

Are the mods/admins deleting any Bevets comments? I only see what he writes when someone replies to his comments. I know I don't have him on ignore. So, what's the deal?

tinyarena: Dude, who do you think submitted the article? This is getting old.

Damn, I hadn't thought of that. I had noticed Bevet's be the Weeners but thought he had some program checking FARK for any posts that had words like 'evolution, god, science, etc' in them. If he's submitting science articles to Fark just to make comments like this, then ya he must be a troll.

Damnit, hate when I fail to recognize the obvious. I'll stop responding to him.

angry_scientist: i think it looks more like an elephant with a 16" 50 cal Mark 7 gun with 2 barrels on its head, instead of the normal 3.

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

Also, in all seriousness, I wonder if this guy was planning on turning in the bone before he saw the carving? Technically, in Florida, all fossils other than shark's teeth are considered property of the State, and you have to have a permit to acquire fossils on a large scale, especially if you go digging for them.

... not that anyone outside of the Peace River basin ever does, I'm just sayin'.

Why the hell would an artist from a pre-literate society sign their artwork? Anyone? Beuller?