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2011-06-22 08:41:37 AM  

Zagloba: Tatsuma: My Israel wants the IDF station cut, because they let members of an outlawed democratically elected national front-cum terrorist organization responsible for possibly a thousand dead and many more injured speak on it.


I'm pretty sure it's the other way around -- they're a terrorist organization responsible for possibly a thousand dead and many more injured -cum-democratically elected national front.

But let's face it, so is al Fatah. There aren't a lot of clean hands over there.
 
2011-06-22 08:42:31 AM  

liam76: jack21221: Shakin_Haitian: I wonder what could have inspired this type of hatred.

There's a bit of an analog with what European settlers did to the native Americans. Those damn terrorist savages were scalping our white women and children for no reason! Monsters!

I'm willing to bet that the Iroquois would have taken some of the same measures that the Palestinians are now taking if they had access to modern arms.

Really? The european settlers just took an area the size of rhode island?


You have to look at it in terms of percentages, not just total area covered.
 
2011-06-22 08:43:40 AM  

Trapper439: A pox on both their houses.

The world would be a far more peaceful place if it wasn't for the multitudes of farkwits on both sides of this ridiculous conflict. Fark all of them. Destroy all of the "religious" sites in Jerusalem that these superstitious bastards hold dear and they won't be able to fight over them anymore. Problem solved.


Well, I wouldn't go THAT far, but the blame seems to lie on both sides because they can't get over all that bad blood.

It's not Fark.com, it's the Middle East, and no, they won't get over it.
 
2011-06-22 08:45:18 AM  

Lost Thought 00: liam76: jack21221: Shakin_Haitian: I wonder what could have inspired this type of hatred.

There's a bit of an analog with what European settlers did to the native Americans. Those damn terrorist savages were scalping our white women and children for no reason! Monsters!

I'm willing to bet that the Iroquois would have taken some of the same measures that the Palestinians are now taking if they had access to modern arms.

Really? The european settlers just took an area the size of rhode island?

You have to look at it in terms of percentages, not just total area covered.


I am looking at it terms of percentages. Israel takes up a small slice of land on the arab world. One of the main reasons this conflict goes on is becasue of pressure from the arab world on Palestenians.
 
2011-06-22 08:47:45 AM  

Tatsuma: That kinda shattered my brain


Should put it back together (new window)
 
2011-06-22 08:48:05 AM  

Zagloba: Shakin_Haitian: I wonder what could have inspired this type of hatred.

Terrorism is the rational-choice-theoretically correct response to a desperate situation where neither Exit nor Voice options are available.

/Seriously, read the book.


I heard a pastor once say: Desperate people do desperate acts.

/and dirty deeds are done dirt cheap
//this post brought to you today by the letter "D".
 
2011-06-22 08:52:05 AM  

liam76: I am looking at it terms of percentages. Israel takes up a small slice of land on the arab world. One of the main reasons this conflict goes on is becasue of pressure from the arab world on Palestenians.


Ah, so the rest of the Arab world will gladly take in Palistinian refugees, and the Palistinians shouldn't feel any anger to being forced thousands of miles away from their homes and lives because, hey, all Arab land is the same, right? You may be dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which)
 
2011-06-22 08:56:22 AM  
Radio Free Hamas?
 
2011-06-22 08:58:04 AM  

Lost Thought 00: liam76: I am looking at it terms of percentages. Israel takes up a small slice of land on the arab world. One of the main reasons this conflict goes on is becasue of pressure from the arab world on Palestenians.

Ah, so the rest of the Arab world will gladly take in Palistinian refugees, and the Palistinians shouldn't feel any anger to being forced thousands of miles away from their homes and lives because, hey, all Arab land is the same, right? You may be dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which)


Do I have a right of return to Russia? 'Cause that would be kind of neat.
 
2011-06-22 09:01:38 AM  

Lost Thought 00: liam76: I am looking at it terms of percentages. Israel takes up a small slice of land on the arab world. One of the main reasons this conflict goes on is becasue of pressure from the arab world on Palestenians.

Ah, so the rest of the Arab world will gladly take in Palistinian refugees, and the Palistinians shouldn't feel any anger to being forced thousands of miles away from their homes and lives because, hey, all Arab land is the same, right? You may be dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which)


I never said the arab world will take them in. They actually treated them worse when they controlled Gaza and the West Bank.

Thosands of miles? Do you know how big Israel and Palestine are?

I never said it was the same, I am saying the anger over having to move 50 miles (the farthest any palestenians was forced to move) doesn't justify a cult mentality where you teach kids it is good to die killing jews.
 
2011-06-22 09:01:44 AM  

liam76: https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ara b -World-plus-Iran.bmp


https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ar ab -World-plus-Iran.bmp

Is there a reason Djibouti is not included in that map?
 
2011-06-22 09:03:30 AM  
RoyBatty: Do I have a right of return to Russia? 'Cause that would be kind of neat.

Unfortunately, the issue you're responding to is more analagous to "Do I have a right to not be forced out of my legally-owned home and be forced to migrate to Russia?"

/bit of a difference
 
2011-06-22 09:08:14 AM  

THX 1138: RoyBatty: Do I have a right of return to Russia? 'Cause that would be kind of neat.

Unfortunately, the issue you're responding to is more analagous to "Do I have a right to not be forced out of my legally-owned home and be forced to migrate to Russia?"

/bit of a difference


I'm a bit bombay saphired at the moment, so forgive me, but I don't think it's the same.

My father's parents fled Russia pogroms for the US (forced to live in Mexico for a year). How is that not "the same" (or similar) as Palestinians fleeing Israel during the 1948 war to demand a right of return later on?
 
2011-06-22 09:08:56 AM  

RoyBatty: liam76: https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ara b -World-plus-Iran.bmp

https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ar ab -World-plus-Iran.bmp

Is there a reason Djibouti is not included in that map?


I think it is, they just wrote it in black because Ethiopia was in white.
 
2011-06-22 09:11:36 AM  
RoyBatty:

Fair enough. I thought you were addressing this line because you quoted it:

the Palistinians shouldn't feel any anger to being forced thousands of miles away from their homes and lives because, hey, all Arab land is the same, right?
 
2011-06-22 09:12:15 AM  

liam76: RoyBatty: liam76: https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ara b -World-plus-Iran.bmp

https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ar ab -World-plus-Iran.bmp

Is there a reason Djibouti is not included in that map?

I think it is, they just wrote it in black because Ethiopia was in white.


Aha, you're right. My ignorance shines through the Bombay Saphire - Vapour Infused With 10 Exotic Botanicals.
 
2011-06-22 09:22:08 AM  

RoyBatty: liam76: RoyBatty: liam76: https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ara b -World-plus-Iran.bmp

https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ar ab -World-plus-Iran.bmp

Is there a reason Djibouti is not included in that map?

I think it is, they just wrote it in black because Ethiopia was in white.

Aha, you're right. My ignorance shines through the Bombay Saphire - Vapour Infused With 10 Exotic Botanicals.


A G&T would hit the spot right now. Stinking office rules.
 
2011-06-22 09:24:43 AM  
I ran out of the T.... It's super duper ultra dry martini time.
 
2011-06-22 09:25:19 AM  
I think I'm drunk enough to crash. g'night.
 
2011-06-22 09:27:18 AM  
Just because it's run by the IDF doesn't mean it's a hardcore right-wing Judeo-fascist radio station. The US Armed Forces have a similar network; the troops just want entertainment while they're in the field, and the stations oblige. Remember, the troops aren't the bad guys here, they are just doing their job. The bad guys are the the Israeli government and the bloodthirsty, fundamentalist assholes who vote for them. Same as the United States, in a lot of ways.

I think this whole thing highlights a positive point in the Israeli press, I am actually surprised broadcasting anything Hamas-related would not be entirely legal. So props to the IDF.
 
2011-06-22 09:32:53 AM  

RoyBatty: I ran out of the T.... It's super duper ultra dry martini time.


2011-06-22 09:24:43 AM

RoyBatty: I think I'm drunk enough to crash. g'night.


2011-06-22 09:25:19 AM

26 seconds? That was a good martini...
 
2011-06-22 09:33:00 AM  

liam76: Shakin_Haitian: I wonder what could have inspired this type of hatred.

I can't seem to figure this out

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that in 1946 it was British, not arab or jewish.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that for 1946 the shading is wrong or misleading as most of that land was empty of people.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that the change from 46-49 resulted in Palestenains declaring war and attacking Israel along with several of their muslim neighbors.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that the change from 49-67 those "Palestenain" areas were controlled by Jordan or Egypt.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that hundrerds of thousands of jews were forced out of their homes by neighboring countries yet you don't see them calling for the wiping out of the arabs who have their homes now.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that hundrerds of thousands of jews were forced out of their homes by neighboring countries yet you don't see them calling for the wiping out of the arabs who have their homes now.

If you want to post clever maps, how does this one work for you?

https://users.cs.jmu.edu/abzugcx/public/Biblical-Hebrew/Map-of-Israel-&-the-Ara b -World-plus-Iran.bmp


If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that in 1946 just because it was british doesn't make the people there not arab or jewish.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that for 1946 the shading is the standard for most populace maps. Just because a portion of the United States is populated doesn't make it part of the country.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that the change from 47 was a UN mandate not from Palestinians declaring war and attacking Israel along with several of their muslim neighbors which didn't happen until May of 48.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would see the systematic taking of land from the Palestinians is exactly what breeds this type of hate toward Isreal.

If you want to to post clever maps, how about you not post one referencing a work of fiction.
 
2011-06-22 09:35:16 AM  

liam76: If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that hundrerds of thousands of jews were forced out of their homes by neighboring countries yet you don't see them calling for the wiping out of the arabs who have their homes now.


Calling for?

I see that Israel has systematically wiped out, bulldozed and build over more that half of what was once considered Palestinian territory despite a continual stream of broken promises to stop.

Does that count?
 
2011-06-22 09:35:45 AM  
Um the article says HAMAS wants it b/c the radio station interviews their members in prison. It's not altruism it s just wanting to head Habbib the Bomber from prison
 
2011-06-22 09:42:14 AM  

liam76: Lost Thought 00: liam76: I am looking at it terms of percentages. Israel takes up a small slice of land on the arab world. One of the main reasons this conflict goes on is becasue of pressure from the arab world on Palestenians.

Ah, so the rest of the Arab world will gladly take in Palistinian refugees, and the Palistinians shouldn't feel any anger to being forced thousands of miles away from their homes and lives because, hey, all Arab land is the same, right? You may be dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which)

I never said the arab world will take them in. They actually treated them worse when they controlled Gaza and the West Bank.

Thosands of miles? Do you know how big Israel and Palestine are?

I never said it was the same, I am saying the anger over having to move 50 miles (the farthest any palestenians was forced to move) doesn't justify a cult mentality where you teach kids it is good to die killing jews.


Justify it? No.

But explain it? Yes.

From an Arabic point of view the British never belonged there and were the imperialist force. The British had already signed documents giving the land to Palestinians. Europe screws the pooch on hitler, needs to give the Jews something to make them feel better. The Jews haven't noticed that the time of taking land from others is a thing of the past, or justifies it (there is that word again) against the horrors of the Holocaust, and accepts the land that the Palestinians had just been promised.

The rest of the middle east does react stupidly, and they don't like the Palestinians either.

Flash forward to tons of killing on both sides, many innocents dying, and much in the way of poor decisions by both sides. Now I look at a Palestinian population that is blockaded, not given the right to govern themselves, but also not given voice in the government that maintains control over them.

You can, historically, take over a people and absorb what you don't destroy and things will settle down. You can't get away with pinning them under your thumb and tacitly support constant expansion without expecting the poverty-stricken people to turn violent. Poor people with no hope turn violent.

Justified?Meh. To be expected? Yes. Are there actions worse than the Israelis? I'd say yes without a doubt, but I also don't see the Israelis with clean hands, and they resist taking the painful steps necessary to move towards peace. They ultimately have the control in this situation.
 
2011-06-22 09:44:40 AM  
quatchi
liam76: If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that hundrerds of thousands of jews were forced out of their homes by neighboring countries yet you don't see them calling for the wiping out of the arabs who have their homes now.

Calling for?

I see that Israel has systematically wiped out, bulldozed and build over more that half of what was once considered Palestinian territory despite a continual stream of broken promises to stop.



I talked to a couple of Jews over the weekend and they said they were very, very sorry and promised to stop.

Does that help?
 
2011-06-22 09:45:42 AM  

Jsin82: If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that in 1946 just because it was british doesn't make the people there not arab or jewish.

If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that for 1946 the shading is the standard for most populace maps. Just because a portion of the United States is populated doesn't make it part of the country.


The map labeled it as one or the others (Jewish or Palestenian) land. It was neither as it was controlled by the british. If they wanted to label it by the people living there you wouldn't color in "empty" land with one or the other.

Jsin82: If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that the change from 47 was a UN mandate not from Palestinians declaring war and attacking Israel along with several of their muslim neighbors which didn't happen until May of 48.


It was a UN mandate that was contingent on a vote. It was never accepted. the land didn't change hands until Israel was attacked.

quatchi: I see that Israel has systematically wiped out, bulldozed and build over more that half of what was once considered Palestinian territory despite a continual stream of broken promises to stop.


I am going to go ahead and ignore that "wiped out" and hope it was a mistake on your part.

See above. It wasn't "considered" palestenian territory. If it was then Egypt and Jordan wouldn't have controlled it.

I think the settlements in the west bank are wrong, and that they should for the most part pull back tto eh 67 borders but given the palestenians response whent his was done in Gaza makes this politically impossible for Israel. But I don't think they have ever promised to stop (may be wrong onthis).
 
2011-06-22 09:57:04 AM  

Smackledorfer: From an Arabic point of view the British never belonged there and were the imperialist force. The British had already signed documents giving the land to Palestinians. Europe screws the pooch on hitler, needs to give the Jews something to make them feel better. The Jews haven't noticed that the time of taking land from others is a thing of the past, or justifies it (there is that word again) against the horrors of the Holocaust, and accepts the land that the Palestinians had just been promised.


I am not familiar with papers giving the lands to palestenians from the british.

The jews bought a lot of that land from the, legal as it gets, "jordanian" owners. A large portion of the land was also empty. When they declared independence they were only claiming it for land where they were the majority, so they weren't "taking" lands from other any more than an arab state being declared would have "taken" land from jews living there.


Smackledorfer: You can, historically, take over a people and absorb what you don't destroy and things will settle down. You can't get away with pinning them under your thumb and tacitly support constant expansion without expecting the poverty-stricken people to turn violent. Poor people with no hope turn violent.


Poverty stricken in the context of the ME is misleading. The HDI in Palestine prior to them going all rocket crazy in Gaza was better than many of their arab neighbors.
 
2011-06-22 09:59:35 AM  

karnal: quatchi
liam76: If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that hundrerds of thousands of jews were forced out of their homes by neighboring countries yet you don't see them calling for the wiping out of the arabs who have their homes now.

Calling for?

I see that Israel has systematically wiped out, bulldozed and build over more that half of what was once considered Palestinian territory despite a continual stream of broken promises to stop.

I talked to a couple of Jews over the weekend and they said they were very, very sorry and promised to stop.

Does that help?


Are they top men in the Israeli government who are sincere?

Then no, prolly not.

As Smackledorfer so correctly points out above the power to make peace in this region rests primarily in Israeli hands.

The largest impetus to peace in the region (aside form all the crazy, of course) is the fact that the US has isolated itself on the global stage by using it's status as a permanent member of the UN security along with it's veto to ensure that there are never ANY global repercussions for any actions undertaken by Israel regardless of how much they merit criticism.

Plus the continual playing of the "any criticism of Israeli policy = antisemitism" card, of course.
 
2011-06-22 10:08:27 AM  
Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.
 
2011-06-22 10:12:45 AM  

quatchi: As Smackledorfer so correctly points out above the power to make peace in this region rests primarily in Israeli hands.


Whne Israel unilatreally pulls out of Gaza and gets a storm of rockets fro meeting one of the palestenians demands it is politically impossible to push for more withdrawls.

quatchi: The largest impetus to peace in the region (aside form all the crazy, of course) is the fact that the US has isolated itself on the global stage by using it's status as a permanent member of the UN security along with it's veto to ensure that there are never ANY global repercussions for any actions undertaken by Israel regardless of how much they merit criticism.


There are global repercussions for their actions, just not actions by the security council.

The largest roadblock to peace is the palestenians and the pressure on them from the arab world to never make peace.
 
2011-06-22 10:20:20 AM  

LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.


Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.
 
2011-06-22 10:21:12 AM  
Liam I am going to go ahead and ignore that "wiped out" and hope it was a mistake on your part.

Agreed. Overly strong verbiage not picked up in speed editing process. Safely ignored.

See above. It wasn't "considered" palestenian territory. If it was then Egypt and Jordan wouldn't have controlled it.

I think the settlements in the west bank are wrong, and that they should for the most part pull back to the '67 borders but given the palestenians response when his was done in Gaza makes this politically impossible for Israel. But I don't think they have ever promised to stop (may be wrong on this).


Where yer prolly getting confused is all the times they promised to stop and then kept on doing what they wanted.

Some observers say that Netanyahu's decision to authorize new housing units is merely a sop to his right-wing colleagues and that he will eventually agree to a temporary freeze on settlements and serious negotiations with the Palestinians. But even if he does, history suggests that any pledge to stop settlement expansion would be meaningless. Previous Israeli governments also promised to halt settlement building, most recently in the 2003 "Road Map" agreement that set a formal timetable for Middle East peace. Yet despite these promises, the number of settlers has more than doubled since the early 1990s and has grown by about 5 percent annually since Israel formally accepted the "Road Map" in May 2003.

Link (poppin' fresh)

Actually had a little optimism when Obama sent George Mitchell over there.

Not much left now.
 
2011-06-22 10:23:25 AM  

liam76: LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.

Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.


To be clear the ribbon was made in the 80's for actions by a group that disbanded in 1949.
 
2011-06-22 10:25:35 AM  

liam76: liam76: LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.

Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.

To be clear the ribbon was made in the 80's for actions by a group that disbanded in 1949.


Why does that matter? They're still celebrating terrorists.
 
2011-06-22 10:26:27 AM  

LewDux: Tatsuma: That kinda shattered my brain

Should put it back together (new window)


FTFV: no description available

truer words were never spoken...
 
2011-06-22 10:32:39 AM  

violentsalvation: Some of you are f*cking retards, but carry on your antisemitism.


That's right play the race card, since you have no honest defense.
 
2011-06-22 10:32:43 AM  

quatchi: Where yer prolly getting confused is all the times they promised to stop and then kept on doing what they wanted.

Some observers say that Netanyahu's decision to authorize new housing units is merely a sop to his right-wing colleagues and that he will eventually agree to a temporary freeze on settlements and serious negotiations with the Palestinians. But even if he does, history suggests that any pledge to stop settlement expansion would be meaningless. Previous Israeli governments also promised to halt settlement building, most recently in the 2003 "Road Map" agreement that set a formal timetable for Middle East peace. Yet despite these promises, the number of settlers has more than doubled since the early 1990s and has grown by about 5 percent annually since Israel formally accepted the "Road Map" in May 2003.


Israel never agreed to that "road map".

It was created by the US, EU, Russia and UN. Israel never signed on to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_map_for_peace#Israel.27s_immediate_rejection_ o f_major_Road_Map_obligation
 
2011-06-22 10:34:12 AM  

Jsin82: violentsalvation: Some of you are f*cking retards, but carry on your antisemitism.

Someone doesn't understand that disagreeing with Israel doesn't mean you don't like Jews. So in response to your f*ucking retard comment. Pot meet kettle.


You really think so? You sure, it's not the case that they understand it all right, but uses it anyway to scare you off of criticizing Israel?
 
2011-06-22 10:34:54 AM  

LectertheChef: liam76: liam76: LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.

Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.

To be clear the ribbon was made in the 80's for actions by a group that disbanded in 1949.

Why does that matter? They're still celebrating terrorists.


I am fine with labeling Lehi as terrorists and saying it is wrong as long as the person I am saying that to has the same standard for Hamas.
 
2011-06-22 10:39:49 AM  

LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.




www.whale.to

Service medals?

Hell, Xrael rewards terrorists by making them Prime Minister.
 
2011-06-22 10:41:09 AM  

liam76: LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.

Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.



Your selective ignorance is the worst.
 
2011-06-22 10:49:38 AM  

Farker T: liam76: LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.

Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.


Your selective ignorance is the worst.


Is Lehi still around? Are they elected to run Israel?

Selective ignorance is when people flip out on Israel for awarding ribbons to a group in the 80's for stuff they did in the 40's that is considered terrorism but don't bat an eye about palestine electing a group that commits acts of terrorism today. or in other words, what you and LectertheChef are doing.
 
2011-06-22 11:03:22 AM  

liam76: If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that the change from 46-49 resulted in Palestenains declaring war and attacking Israel along with several of their muslim neighbors.


If you weren't dishonest or ignorant (I don't know which) you'd know that all members of the UN reject the acquisition of territory by conquest. Israel can't keep the lands occupied in that war and remain a member.
 
2011-06-22 11:03:57 AM  

liam76: Farker T: liam76: LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.

Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.


Your selective ignorance is the worst.

Is Lehi still around? Are they elected to run Israel?

Selective ignorance is when people flip out on Israel for awarding ribbons to a group in the 80's for stuff they did in the 40's that is considered terrorism but don't bat an eye about palestine electing a group that commits acts of terrorism today. or in other words, what you and LectertheChef are doing.



Selective ignorance is when people flip out over the murderous policies racism, expansionism and ethnic supremacism that the Nazis committed in the 1930's and 40's, but don't bat an eye about what the Zionist-cum-Israelis have been doing since even before WWII, and continue to do TODAY.
 
2011-06-22 11:07:19 AM  

liam76: I never said it was the same, I am saying the anger over having to move 50 miles (the farthest any palestenians was forced to move) doesn't justify a cult mentality where you teach kids it is good to die killing jews.


You read it here, folks, dispossession of hundreds of thousands of people, exiling them into a foreign country who doesn't want them and to whom they have no ties nor allegiance, is just fine as long as they aren't relocated more than 50 miles in the process.

/Seriously, fark the politics of the Israel/Palestine situation. There are no honorable actors there. But anyone who defends the situation of regular Palestinian jackoffs as anything other than rank human rights abuses deserves to get their house bulldozed and their cash crops burned.
 
2011-06-22 11:20:34 AM  

Zagloba: You read it here, folks, dispossession of hundreds of thousands of people, exiling them into a foreign country who doesn't want them and to whom they have no ties nor allegiance, is just fine as long as they aren't relocated more than 50 miles in the process.


You're talking about the guy who describes the IRA as the 'good' kind of terrorists. I'd call it a day and move on.
 
2011-06-22 11:22:19 AM  

Farker T: liam76: Selective ignorance is when people flip out on Israel for awarding ribbons to a group in the 80's for stuff they did in the 40's that is considered terrorism but don't bat an eye about palestine electing a group that commits acts of terrorism today. or in other words, what you and LectertheChef are doing.

Selective ignorance is when people flip out over the murderous policies racism, expansionism and ethnic supremacism that the Nazis committed in the 1930's and 40's, but don't bat an eye about what the Zionist-cum-Israelis have been doing since even before WWII, and continue to do TODAY.


What is hilarious about you continually brining up the Nazi's is you will go out of your way to explain how the jews in general and zionists in particular aren't innocent of what happened during the holocaust. You will go into great detail about how they pushed to Nazi's to take the actions they did yet every bad thing Israel does is because it is run by evil jews, not in reaction to actual attacks or real risks.

You will look at Israel where all people can vote, hold office and have the same rights and say it is worse or as bad as nazi germany where jews had no rights.

You will look at Israel who kicked some people out of their home during war and wouldn't allow them or the peopel who fled back and say it is worse or as bad as nazi germany where the wrong people weren't allowed to flee but were forced into industrial death camps where they were slaughtered by the millions.

and after that you will try and say others have selective ignorance? You are a farking joke. It would be funny if there weren;t so many peopel who think like you.

CheatCommando: liam76: If you weren't dishonest, or ignorant (I don't know which) you would know that the change from 46-49 resulted in Palestenains declaring war and attacking Israel along with several of their muslim neighbors.

If you weren't dishonest or ignorant (I don't know which) you'd know that all members of the UN reject the acquisition of territory by conquest. Israel can't keep the lands occupied in that war and remain a member.


Palestine never owned that land, as they didn't accept the partition plan.
 
2011-06-22 11:23:38 AM  
Why doesn't Syria or Egypt or Jordon help their Muslim brothers out and cut a big swath of land for Palestine? Wouldn't that work? Afterall, the Muslim world is such a charitable group....they are always the first to donate money to a country that suffers a natural disaster....right?
 
2011-06-22 11:24:27 AM  

Farker T: liam76: Farker T: liam76: LectertheChef: Makes sense, after all, the IDF awardedservice medals to terrorists.

Hmmmh service medals for a group that did some farked up stuff 30+ yrs ago or electing a terrorist group to run the govt.

Tough call on which is worse.


Your selective ignorance is the worst.

Is Lehi still around? Are they elected to run Israel?

Selective ignorance is when people flip out on Israel for awarding ribbons to a group in the 80's for stuff they did in the 40's that is considered terrorism but don't bat an eye about palestine electing a group that commits acts of terrorism today. or in other words, what you and LectertheChef are doing.


Selective ignorance is when people flip out over the murderous policies racism, expansionism and ethnic supremacism that the Nazis committed in the 1930's and 40's, but don't bat an eye about what the Zionist-cum-Israelis have been doing since even before WWII, and continue to do TODAY.


To be fair, your ignorance isn't selective, it's universal.
 
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