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(Politifacts)   No, Jon Stewart, Fox News's viewers aren't the most misinformed (actually they're amongst the most informed)   (politifact.com) divider line 349
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2011-06-21 10:39:25 AM  
actually, subby is wrong. and if it takes that long to explain why the facts are in your favor, you're probably talking out of your ass. statistics can mean anything you want if you manipulate them enough. i'd rather just look at the statistics and take them as they are thank you.
"So we have three Pew studies that superficially rank Fox viewers low on the well-informed list, but in several of the surveys, Fox isn't the lowest, and other general-interest media outlets -- such as network news shows, network morning shows and even the other cable news networks -- often score similarly low. Meanwhile, particular Fox shows -- such as The O'Reilly Factor and Sean Hannity's show -- actually score consistently well, occasionally even outpacing Stewart's own audience."
the one study that is referred to above, where Fox news does "better", is actually a study on where people go for their news. people watch the colbert report and daily show for entertainment as the study states, but go to other sources for news. this doesn't say whether that news is accurate reporting, just where people go. so the only study where fox did "better" was not even rating the content of the show.
here is the actual link (new window) from subby's article to the pew study mentioned.
so there. you suck. instead of rtfa, read the farking sources.
 
2011-06-21 10:56:10 AM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2011-06-21 10:59:39 AM  
Did you even read the article? The article admits they're amongst the least informed -- right among those who watch only local news.
 
2011-06-21 11:12:31 AM  
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
 
2011-06-21 11:13:59 AM  
Fox viewers believe Iraq was responsible for 9/11 at a MUCH higher rate than any other group. They believe Obama wasn't born in America at a MUCH higher rate than any other group. They believe we found WMD's in Iraq at a MUCH higher rate than any other group.

Those are just a few of "misinformed" items that I believe Stewart was talking about.
 
2011-06-21 11:20:52 AM  
I like politifact but Stewarts point was very clearly "Among 24 hour news networks", and you could stretch that to include network news if you wanted to. But "National Enquirer"? Wow, so FNC beat them. Kudos! FNC viewers don't think Princess Di lives on the moon!
 
2011-06-21 11:34:15 AM  
Medium version: Fox isn't last on the list, although it's close -- 35 percent of Fox viewers earned a high knowledge rating, which was tied with local television news and was one point ahead of the network morning shows.

However, Fox's 35 percent score places it exactly at the national average. This seems paradoxical -- Fox ranks near the bottom of a long list of media outlets, yet it sits right at the national average. But there's an explanation. Lots of respondents reported following none of the media outlets they were asked about, and those respondents did quite poorly on the knowledge quiz -- not surprisingly. That meant that the non-media-using respondents brought down the national average, but they didn't constitute a separate category that ranked lower than Fox on Pew's chart.


Short version: Fox News viewers can count to Potato Plus Kumquat. Yaaaay.
 
2011-06-21 11:37:21 AM  
NO U
 
2011-06-21 11:43:54 AM  

chimp_ninja: Short version: Fox News viewers can count to Potato Plus Kumquat. Yaaaay.


It's like Farmer's Market algebra.
 
2011-06-21 11:48:17 AM  
who the vice president is, who the president of Russia is, whether the Chief Justice is conservative, which party controls the U.S. House of Representatives and whether the U.S. has a trade deficit

. . .

The pollsters asked three questions: "Do you happen to know which political party has a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives?" "Can you tell me the name of the current U.S. Secretary of State?" And "who is the current prime minister of Great Britain?"


Really? People who watch Hannity and O'Reilly can answer these?

It completely blows my mind that people who spend their time watching political shows would be able to identify which party controls the House of Representatives.

I guess this is one definition of "well informed." Being able to parrot back some facts. Being able to understand and being informed may not be the same thing.
 
2011-06-21 11:53:51 AM  
I guess the Ground Zero mosque, the $200M/day trips to India and health care death panels were just figments of our collective imaginations, subby.
 
2011-06-21 11:54:56 AM  
Fox isn't last on the list, although it's close -- 35 percent of Fox viewers earned a high knowledge rating, which was tied with local television news and was one point ahead of the network morning shows.

--snip---

Once again, Fox News as a whole ranked fairly low among regularly used media outlets -- 20 percent answered all four correctly and 18 percent answered three correctly.

---snip---

On these questions, Fox clearly did the worst among the major news outlets.

---snip---

Once again, Fox News as a whole ranked fairly low among regularly used media outlets

---snip---

On these questions, Fox clearly did the worst among the major news outlets.

Yeah, Stewart's statement may not have been 100% accurate, but subby's is pure fantasy.
 
2011-06-21 11:55:57 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: It completely blows my mind that people who spend their time watching political shows would be able to identify which party controls the House of Representatives.


I'd be interested in seeing how many of them know that VT is implementing single payer and how many of them think it involves death panels.
 
2011-06-21 11:59:42 AM  

BigTuna: I guess the Ground Zero mosque, the $200M/day trips to India and health care death panels were just figments of our collective imaginations, subby.


Ummm . . .it was $200 Trillion/day in India.

Didn't you hear? He rented out 17 hotels just for his teleprompters, and every boat in the Navy was sent, each carrying a different birth certificate depending on which country he needed to claim residence in.

Then there's the arugula. Oh lord, the arugula. Over 12 tons of it for him to feed the 700,000 random poor black people he traveled with, paid for by the hard work of rich white folks.

Michelle brought an entourage of 25 million white people, whome she'd simply throw crumpled $1 bills at while screaming curse words.

And of course: 35 oil tankers filled with dijon mustard. Obama loves the stuff. Just can't get enough.

All of this was quite clearly printed in the OBAMALAMADINGDONG CARE bill, but no one read it because it was 34,927,238,476 pages long and they only had 13 seconds to sign it.

/this is what republicans (mostly) believe.
 
2011-06-21 12:02:40 PM  

actualhuman: Three Crooked Squirrels: It completely blows my mind that people who spend their time watching political shows would be able to identify which party controls the House of Representatives.

I'd be interested in seeing how many of them know that VT is implementing single payer and how many of them think it involves death panels.


I'm more interested in this:

How many of them (or "you") know how our progressive tax system works? I'm guessing 85% don't, since there seems to be this retarded idea that you can make more by falling into a lower bracket ("The rich will just cut their income and stop working as hard! HAARRUMPH!") and that a higher tax rate for the top 1% applies to their income at all levels.

It's an easy piece of BS to dispel, but I never see anyone in the media do so.
 
2011-06-21 12:03:59 PM  
Is dis-informed a word? That is what Fox viewers are. They receive plenty of information so I guess in a sense they are "informed".The problem is that what they are getting is propagandistic disinfomation. Thus they are actually disinformed. Garbage in garbage out.
 
2011-06-21 12:13:12 PM  

I Said: How many of them (or "you") know how our progressive tax system works? I'm guessing 85% don't, since there seems to be this retarded idea that you can make more by falling into a lower bracket ("The rich will just cut their income and stop working as hard! HAARRUMPH!") and that a higher tax rate for the top 1% applies to their income at all levels.

It's an easy piece of BS to dispel, but I never see anyone in the media do so.


I remember watching a Fox piece centered around Obama's plan to raise taxes on those earning $250,000+. They interviewed some morons who were earning between $200,000 and $250,000 who said they were going to really assess whether they wanted to limit their income, because if they went into the $250,000+ tax bracket, they would actually end up with less money, so they would be punished for working harder. It farking blew my mind that they didn't correct these dumbasses. The interviews could have been a great chance to explain progressive taxation. Instead, these idiots' assumptions were left unchallenged.

It's a perfect example of the difference between being "well-informed" as defined by these polls and "understanding". I can guarantee just about every Hannity and O'Reilly viewer knew the $250,000 number. But I doubt most of them understood how implementation of a progressive tax works.
 
2011-06-21 12:17:53 PM  
They're well informed on some subjects; it's just on those which are politically charged which they get completely wrong info.
 
2011-06-21 12:19:18 PM  
They only rank higher than "I don't pay attention to anything at all." Good for them.
 
2011-06-21 12:21:40 PM  
I get my news from my neighbor, he gets it from the computer.
 
2011-06-21 12:21:44 PM  
Isn't Fox the network that tells people the Muslim Brotherhood is secretly behind the Wisconsin union protests?
 
2011-06-21 12:24:23 PM  
I like that the post-Beck rebranding attempt is failing utterly (We're serious now, seriously!).

Fox is and will forever be the network of racists and kooks.
 
2011-06-21 12:24:37 PM  

CorporatePerson: Isn't Fox the network that tells people the Muslim Brotherhood is secretly behind the Wisconsin union protests?


I read that somewhere on the Internet, which means FOX will be reporting it as fact in 10...9....8...
 
2011-06-21 12:25:41 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I like that the post-Beck rebranding attempt is failing utterly (We're serious now, seriously!).

Fox is and will forever be the network of racists and kooks.


And establishment Republicans.

But I repeat myself...
 
2011-06-21 12:26:31 PM  
Most infromed, maybe.
 
2011-06-21 12:27:13 PM  

I Said: How many of them (or "you") know how our progressive tax system works? I'm guessing 85% don't, since there seems to be this retarded idea that you can make more by falling into a lower bracket ("The rich will just cut their income and stop working as hard! HAARRUMPH!") and that a higher tax rate for the top 1% applies to their income at all levels.


Yeah, that too.
 
2011-06-21 12:27:29 PM  
I will remind you of Fox switching the political affiliations of those Republicans caught in scandals on their reporting, the photoshopping of left-leaning journalist's photos to make them appear sickly, the removal of applause from footage of one of Obama's speeches to make him appear to be making a cynical anti-american statement, "The Terrorist Fist Bump", "Obama's Baby-momma" and everything Glenn Beck has ever oozed from his mouth hole, etc.

Although, "conservatives" make their living from ignoring reality, so yeah.
 
2011-06-21 12:27:36 PM  
you know how i can tell subby DNRTFA?
 
2011-06-21 12:28:29 PM  
also... really? our metric on "well informed" is to know what party controls the house of representatives? holy shiat we are so farked.
 
2011-06-21 12:29:14 PM  

LasersHurt: They only rank higher than "I don't pay attention to anything at all." Good for them.


Fox News ranked higher than the National Enquirer, therefore Jon Stewart is dumb
 
2011-06-21 12:30:39 PM  
We're fact checking a farking comedy show now?
 
2011-06-21 12:31:20 PM  

Epoch_Zero: I will remind you of Fox switching the political affiliations of those Republicans caught in scandals on their reporting, the photoshopping of left-leaning journalist's photos to make them appear sickly, the removal of applause from footage of one of Obama's speeches to make him appear to be making a cynical anti-american statement, "The Terrorist Fist Bump", "Obama's Baby-momma" and everything Glenn Beck has ever oozed from his mouth hole, etc.

Although, "conservatives" make their living from ignoring reality, so yeah.


Using footage from other rallies to make it look like more people were at Bachmann's rally.
 
2011-06-21 12:31:41 PM  
Oh poor Subby :(
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2011-06-21 12:31:44 PM  
Wait, how do they rate that as a lie? Everything in the article said Jon Stewart was right.
 
2011-06-21 12:31:52 PM  
On the headline - [that's the joke.jpg]
 
2011-06-21 12:34:48 PM  

Ashelth: We're fact checking a farking comedy show now?


That's a little bit talking out the side of your mouth. The Daily Show, while comedy based, presents plenty of serious content, and is widely recogized as a source for news for a good many people. And that said, the comment wasn't made on his show.
 
2011-06-21 12:35:06 PM  

The Slush: Most infromed, maybe.


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2011-06-21 12:37:52 PM  
I think Jon's point had nothing to do with if viewers know who the vice president is and more do to with the consumption of misinformation. Although, of course, I don't know that for sure.

FOX spews a lot of misinformation, meaning the viewers have been misinformed. About major events, not really. What intentions and meanings are? Certainly.

So, sure they may know who the president is... but they think he is Muslim.
 
2011-06-21 12:38:33 PM  
FTFA: "Let's start with Pew's findings."

i566.photobucket.com

/Pew Research - the survey guys who'll cut ya if you mess with them
 
2011-06-21 12:39:13 PM  
On the topic of misinformation in news reporting, asking the name of the vice president is not an accurate asssesment of being informed.

Also, FTFA:

We think there's a difference between bestowing a False rating on an elected official -- whose job it is to know about public policy -- and calling an ordinary American "misinformed" for getting the exact same question "wrong."

That's stupid, the whole point is to determine "wrongness".
 
2011-06-21 12:40:24 PM  

NemoD: Wait, how do they rate that as a lie? Everything in the article said Jon Stewart was right.



From the article:

However, Fox's 35 percent score places it exactly at the national average.

Snip

Viewers of at least one show on Fox scored quite well -- The O'Reilly Factor, of whom 51 percent made it into the high knowledge group

Snip

Here, the range of results was much wider. Once again, Fox News was just about at the national average

Snip

particular Fox shows scored well above the average. Hannity & Colmes was one of only four choices to exceed 40 percent

Snip

Fox actually scored better than its two direct cable-news rivals -- MSNBC, which is a liberal counterpoint to Fox, and CNN

Snip

particular Fox shows scored well. Hannity ranked fifth (just ahead of MSNBC's liberal shows hosted by Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow) and O'Reilly ranked ninth. For the first time, Pew included Glenn Beck in its rankings, and the Fox host finished 12th -- slightly ahead of Stewart's own Daily Show

---------------------------------

Only if you know, ignore half of it. That said, shame on all you people who spend any amount of time watching any of those channels.
 
2011-06-21 12:41:01 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: I Said: How many of them (or "you") know how our progressive tax system works? I'm guessing 85% don't, since there seems to be this retarded idea that you can make more by falling into a lower bracket ("The rich will just cut their income and stop working as hard! HAARRUMPH!") and that a higher tax rate for the top 1% applies to their income at all levels.

It's an easy piece of BS to dispel, but I never see anyone in the media do so.

I remember watching a Fox piece centered around Obama's plan to raise taxes on those earning $250,000+. They interviewed some morons who were earning between $200,000 and $250,000 who said they were going to really assess whether they wanted to limit their income, because if they went into the $250,000+ tax bracket, they would actually end up with less money, so they would be punished for working harder. It farking blew my mind that they didn't correct these dumbasses. The interviews could have been a great chance to explain progressive taxation. Instead, these idiots' assumptions were left unchallenged.

It's a perfect example of the difference between being "well-informed" as defined by these polls and "understanding". I can guarantee just about every Hannity and O'Reilly viewer knew the $250,000 number. But I doubt most of them understood how implementation of a progressive tax works.


Maybe they weren't so much stupid as lying, with the interviews just for show.

/Joe the plumber part 2.
 
2011-06-21 12:42:22 PM  

EWreckedSean: widely recogized as a source for news for a good many people


They make jokes about the news. Anyone who considers the daily show their source for news is about as dumb as someone who considers Fox a source for news.
 
2011-06-21 12:42:56 PM  
There's a difference between uninformed and misinformed. It is fully possible to be the most informed and also the most misinformed. For instance, perhaps Fox News viewers recognize Obama is the president but also believe he was born in Kenya. Where as CNN readers have no idea who the president is but also don't believe he was born in Kenya.
 
2011-06-21 12:43:01 PM  
Headline says (actually they're amongst the most informed)


Soooooo, comedy show viewers rate significantly higher than Fox News viewers? What am i missing here? That Fox viewers are amongst the most informed what? MIS-informed? Is that what submittard means?



/Do you know how i can tell you're a Fox News viewer?
// Hey, Fox News DID beat out The National Enquirer
///Count to potato plus kumquat... i guffawed
 
2011-06-21 12:43:22 PM  
Fox News makes the unforgivable sin of telling both sides of each political story.

This massively offends the Liberal sense of fairness.
Only "the truth " should be reported and they wish to be the sole arbitrators of what exactly which truth you will hear.
 
2011-06-21 12:44:15 PM  
It is news if you watch Shep. Not so much with FOX & Fiends and Megyn "farked Brit Hume for her job" Kelly.
 
2011-06-21 12:44:18 PM  

NemoD: Wait, how do they rate that as a lie? Everything in the article said Jon Stewart was right.


Stewart said every poll listed Fox viewers as most misinformed. Politifact found one poll where Fox viewers were second most misinformed. And another where the results were less conclusive, as it was not constructed to prove this point. That makes Stewart's blanket statement false. The polls don't disprove Stewart's intended point, in fact they tend to confirm it. But he chose his words poorly, and his statement is in fact false.
 
2011-06-21 12:44:36 PM  
Fart_Machine Quote 2011-06-21 12:35:06 PM

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I've always wondered why two of the "F"s on that sign are backwards. I mean...you could say that's just the way the writer makes their "F"s (oddly) except that the "F" in INFROMED (sic) is correctly printed.
 
2011-06-21 12:44:42 PM  
By the data they freakin' provide, of people who watch news networks, Fox news viewers are the least informed in the majority of polls.

Now OK, people who don't watch news networks AT ALL are less informed than them, and Stewart was technically wrong when he said "the most consistently misinformed media viewers" instead of "the most consistently misinformed news channel viewers", but it's clear what he meant, it's an incredibly minor error to make, and it sure as fark is truer than Subby's bullshiat claim that Fox viewers are amongst the most informed.
 
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