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2011-06-20 05:18:57 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: jst3p: Fark_Guy_Rob: Maybe I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here

No you are playing the part of the naive and ignorant.

I really don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to acknowledge the possibility of losing their job and/or getting sick.

If that makes me naive and ignorant, then I suppose I am.


Many people know they could lose their job. Take my dad for instance. He would love to have a nest egg, but between living and getting to work, he doesn't really have the spare cash to save. He needs eye surgery, and he will be out of work for 2-3weeks. That alone is bearly affordable, he will probably end up in more debt having just payed off his car and then the $3k for a new engine block. The block leaked coolant due to a manufacturing defect but Honda won't fix a 4 year old car. His eyes were the best in the family for years, he only got glasses 5 years ago. All these things come out of no where. I am saving some cash because I have some to spare being newly married and without kids, but if your like my dad and have 2 kids and a wife legaly unable to work, saving for anything is almost impossible.

I know where your coming from, I just think it's not the position of the average person.
 
2011-06-20 05:19:50 PM

IStateTheObvious: moefuggenbrew: Smart fella really

Not really. If he is broke, unemployed, and has some type of medical condition, he probably qualified for Medicaid.


He isn't under 18, pregnant, disabled, caring for a child, or over 65 -- he very well may not qualify.
 
2011-06-20 05:21:05 PM

papabusche: Fark_Guy_Rob: jst3p: Fark_Guy_Rob: Maybe I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here

No you are playing the part of the naive and ignorant.

I really don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to acknowledge the possibility of losing their job and/or getting sick.

If that makes me naive and ignorant, then I suppose I am.

you are.


If you really believe that; that an honest, hard-working American, will have his life (both his financial life and possibly, literally, his actual life) destroyed because of a common medical aliment.....through no fault of his own.....

Well, if that were true, I'm pretty sure we'd have fixed it already.

It makes a lot more sense that this *criminal* failed to plan/save/invest and now wants everyone else to foot the bill. He probably even thinks he's some hero for doing so.
 
2011-06-20 05:22:03 PM
The scary thing is that we have lost a lot of jobs during this long recession and if the person is 55+ in age and is not some valued specialist in a field, they may never be able to join the workforce again. Companies just don't hire older workers.

So I am afraid that more than a few people across this country might find themselves facing a similar decision. Your job is gone and along with it your health insurance... You go out to buy your own only to find that due to your age or possible health problems that you can't get it. You find out you have cancer, or any other major problem that does not get classified as emergency procedures in an ER. You are looking at actual horrible death before you reach the somewhat safety of SS and Medicare. Hell prison is probably stinks but at least there you have a shot at making it out alive and having some sort of retirement that you have been working toward your whole life.

If a lot of people reach the same conclusion that this man did... then all hell is going to break loose.
 
2011-06-20 05:22:04 PM
I kind of wondered about something like this happening. Work for a company that authorizes medical care for inmates. Not only do they get care for existing diseases; but also get screening colonoscopies and mammos, hearing tests. Not worth the butt-rape IMO.
 
2011-06-20 05:22:27 PM

Spiralmonkey: eraser8: Spiralmonkey: Aren't there any free clinics in the US?

There are a few, but their services are limited.

Plus, they don't cover the cost of prescriptions. And, continued care is pretty much nonexistent.

Health care in the United States is truly, ridiculously horrible.

elchip: Spiralmonkey: Aren't there any free clinics in the US? Not snarky, just genuinely unaware.

The only "free" hospitals I'm aware of are for children. There are clinics that charge on a sliding scale based on your income, but I don't know that any that would be able to treat ruptured disks.

It's really hard to get Medicaid, the health insurance program for poor people, unless you're a kid or have a kid. That will change if ObamaCare stays in effect. I pray it does.
jshine: Spiralmonkey:
Would it really be the case that if someone is ill and can't afford to pay and has no insurance there are no options left for treatment?

That's complicated to answer. If you go to a hospital due to an emergency and you're unconscious, you'll be treated immediately w/o question. If you are ambulatory and can answer questions, they will absolutely ask for your insurance info before providing care, but you won't be turned away from accute care even if you have no insurance. You will be billed, and if you can't pay then it becomes a civil matter.

For care regarding chronic conditions (e.g., the growth mentioned in the article), the options are fewer hospitals can and will refuse to offer care on a non-emergency basis for things like cancer. Only when it progresses to an end-stage and is about to kill you would the accute-care "right" kick in -- but by then all they would be able to do would be treat whatever horrible symptom was actually in the immediate process of killing you.

/yes, it's sick and twisted
//I can't & won't make any attempt to justify this situation



There's a law called EMTALA that requires emergency facilities to stabilize you without determining your ability to pay. Of course, you're still responsible for paying.

Thank you all for explaining. One more thing I really don't get is that the USA spends a fortune on healthcare in emerging nations, while a situation like this can happen at home. Makes me very grateful for what I have.


you sound Canadian
 
2011-06-20 05:24:07 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: If you really believe that; that an honest, hard-working American, will have his life (both his financial life and possibly, literally, his actual life) destroyed because of a common medical aliment.....through no fault of his own.....


You don't think this happens? At all?
 
2011-06-20 05:25:31 PM

Stridar: eraser8: Stridar: If only there was an alternative, say:

http://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/03_MandatoryEligibilityGroups.asp

You realize, I hope that doesn't cover everybody, don't you?

The guy isn't an AFDC recipient. He may not be eligible for SSI. He's certainly not an infant or a child under 6. He probably doesn't have any adopted children. According to TFA, he doesn't seem quite eligible for Medicare at the moment.

So, considering he doesn't fall into those categories, what the fark was the point of your nonsense?

I would hope that this program would cover him if he's on any sort of state support, say disability from having a growth in his chest. But I guess that's nonsense.


Yes, that is nonsense. You don't get disability for a growth on your chest.
 
2011-06-20 05:26:01 PM
If socialized medicine is so great then let's just deport all the poor people to Europe.
 
2011-06-20 05:28:21 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: papabusche: Fark_Guy_Rob: jst3p: Fark_Guy_Rob: Maybe I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here

No you are playing the part of the naive and ignorant.

I really don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to acknowledge the possibility of losing their job and/or getting sick.

If that makes me naive and ignorant, then I suppose I am.

you are.

If you really believe that; that an honest, hard-working American, will have his life (both his financial life and possibly, literally, his actual life) destroyed because of a common medical aliment.....through no fault of his own.....

Well, if that were true, I'm pretty sure we'd have fixed it already.

It makes a lot more sense that this *criminal* failed to plan/save/invest and now wants everyone else to foot the bill. He probably even thinks he's some hero for doing so.


are you ignoring the part about him being out of work? have you never seen the stat that medical bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in this country?
honest, hard working americans get laid off all the time. and lose their insurance in the process. The good news is they paid unemployment insurance all those years. The bad news is, are medical insurance system isn't set up the same way.
 
2011-06-20 05:30:21 PM

Psycat: What's astonishing is how many of the Best and Brightest I've known throughout the years in Mensa, college, and the local art scene have also abandoned the idea of parenthood. I think many of us who graduated from college in the last two decades have quickly realized that we'd never be part of the middle class and in our own quiet way have abandoned all hope or desire of becoming June and Ward Cleaver. About the only people I know who are having large families are either on welfare, never having worked a day in their lives, or derptastic right-wing religious nuts.


Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their membership in Mensa turns out to be a tool. Everything you wrote about yourself seems to point me to the same conclusion.
 
2011-06-20 05:31:59 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: elchip: Fark_Guy_Rob: What stopped the guy from buying his own health insurance?

"He is 59-years old and with no job and a depleted bank account."

You'd think 59 years would be plenty to realize people tend to get older and older people tend to have medical issues.


ruptured discs aren't something you develop, smart guy. you usually get that from an accident -- usually auto. to that end, there are other mitigating circumstances surrounding that as well.

uninsured drivers, hit and run, etc
 
2011-06-20 05:34:34 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: papabusche: Fark_Guy_Rob: jst3p: Fark_Guy_Rob: Maybe I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here

No you are playing the part of the naive and ignorant.

I really don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to acknowledge the possibility of losing their job and/or getting sick.

If that makes me naive and ignorant, then I suppose I am.

you are.

If you really believe that; that an honest, hard-working American, will have his life (both his financial life and possibly, literally, his actual life) destroyed because of a common medical aliment.....through no fault of his own.....

Well, if that were true, I'm pretty sure we'd have fixed it already.

It makes a lot more sense that this *criminal* failed to plan/save/invest and now wants everyone else to foot the bill. He probably even thinks he's some hero for doing so.


So I assume you have planned, right? Think about your current financial situation. If you were to lose your job today -- and with it your health insurance -- how would you fare? Could you come up with $100,000 for the first round of treatment? How about the next several months or even years. Remember, you don't have a job and you can't use insurance. Cancer medication might run $10,000/month (low estimate). How long would you survive?
 
2011-06-20 05:34:48 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: papabusche: Fark_Guy_Rob: jst3p: Fark_Guy_Rob: Maybe I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here

No you are playing the part of the naive and ignorant.

I really don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to acknowledge the possibility of losing their job and/or getting sick.

If that makes me naive and ignorant, then I suppose I am.

you are.

If you really believe that; that an honest, hard-working American, will have his life (both his financial life and possibly, literally, his actual life) destroyed because of a common medical aliment.....through no fault of his own.....

Well, if that were true, I'm pretty sure we'd have fixed it already.

It makes a lot more sense that this *criminal* failed to plan/save/invest and now wants everyone else to foot the bill. He probably even thinks he's some hero for doing so.


Please stop with the concern trolling.
 
2011-06-20 05:35:51 PM

Wolfy: Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their membership in Mensa turns out to be a tool. Everything you wrote about yourself seems to point me to the same conclusion.


"People who boast about their I.Q. are losers."
-Stephen Hawking
 
2011-06-20 05:37:18 PM
A condo at Myrtle Beach. Can you really save up enough in three years in prison to afford one? They're not that cheap.

My guess is he'll be just as destitute in three years and we'll be seeing him do this again.
 
2011-06-20 05:37:50 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Headso: Fark_Guy_Rob: elchip: Fark_Guy_Rob: What stopped the guy from buying his own health insurance?

"He is 59-years old and with no job and a depleted bank account."

You'd think 59 years would be plenty to realize people tend to get older and older people tend to have medical issues.

Once you get out of your mom's basement you will understand that unexpected things happen in life that you can't control and if you are not lucky it can lead to a situation where you are 59 and have no insurance and a tumor.

I don't live with my parents and, believe or not, I had an unexpected (non-life threatening, but painful/important) medical operation just a few years ago. Not anywhere near the level cancer would be on.

Thankfully, I had health insurance. Insurance is a good way to mitigate risk. I used to own a house and, again, I realized that there were potential, uncontrollable, bad things that could happen to my house. I didn't live there for 40 years until something bad happened, then complain that something bad happened. I got insurance for it. If something bad did happen, I would be protected from the financial burden of it.

There are entire companies, large, financially successful companies that do nothing but sell insurance. It's great. I have car insurance and one night I was driving to a party on some backroads in IL and I hit a deer that jumped into the middle of the road. I would have been really screwed had I not had insurance that covered the repairs.

Most of the time, I get very little from my insurance plans. I pay in, and I get nothing out. That's how insurance works. But when something bad happens, it doesn't ruin everything.

I won't pretend that luck isn't a factor. But there sure is a lot you can do to mitigate risk.


it's orders of magnitude easier to get a payout from auto insurance than health insurance.
 
2011-06-20 05:39:10 PM

Wolfy:
Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their membership in Mensa turns out to be a tool. Everything you wrote about yourself seems to point me to the same conclusion.


Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their contempt of Mensans usually tends to be a vain B-student pseudo-intellectual who's suffering from *ahem* 'genius envy' and is secretly pissed off that they didn't pass one of the self-administered tests Mensa provides. Your angry troll post reinforces my conviction.
 
2011-06-20 05:41:03 PM

Psycat: Wolfy:
Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their membership in Mensa turns out to be a tool. Everything you wrote about yourself seems to point me to the same conclusion.

Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their contempt of Mensans usually tends to be a vain B-student pseudo-intellectual who's suffering from *ahem* 'genius envy' and is secretly pissed off that they didn't pass one of the self-administered tests Mensa provides. Your angry troll post reinforces my conviction.


no, many mensans are self-important assholes.
 
2011-06-20 05:42:47 PM
I have no problem with the man's motives or actions. (My apologies to the bank teller, who might have been a little rattled.) As long as a relatively small number of people write the checks that keep a BAD - objectively, demonstrably BAD - system of "health care" in place, and as long as a critical mass of Fox-doped viewers accept that state of things, the rest of America is going to keep suffering.
 
2011-06-20 05:43:23 PM

Psycat: Wolfy:
Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their membership in Mensa turns out to be a tool. Everything you wrote about yourself seems to point me to the same conclusion.

Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their contempt of Mensans usually tends to be a vain B-student pseudo-intellectual who's suffering from *ahem* 'genius envy' and is secretly pissed off that they didn't pass one of the self-administered tests Mensa provides. Your angry troll post reinforces my conviction.


There are plenty of places to meet and socialize with other intelligent people that don't have to revolve around your IQ. It speaks more of insecurity and a burning need to belong than it does anything else.

By all means, don't let me get in the way of you fellating your ego.
 
2011-06-20 05:43:26 PM

Psycat: Wolfy:
Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their membership in Mensa turns out to be a tool. Everything you wrote about yourself seems to point me to the same conclusion.

Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their contempt of Mensans usually tends to be a vain B-student pseudo-intellectual who's suffering from *ahem* 'genius envy' and is secretly pissed off that they didn't pass one of the self-administered tests Mensa provides. Your angry troll post reinforces my conviction.


6/10
 
2011-06-20 05:45:26 PM
This is why it should be the prisoners responsibility to pay for their own heath care. I can't even imagine why someone thought it would be a good idea for the tax payers to pay for prisoners health care. Doesn't make any sense.
 
2011-06-20 05:45:56 PM

parahaps: Psycat: Wolfy:
Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their membership in Mensa turns out to be a tool. Everything you wrote about yourself seems to point me to the same conclusion.

Unfortunately, everyone I have ever talked to who mentions their contempt of Mensans usually tends to be a vain B-student pseudo-intellectual who's suffering from *ahem* 'genius envy' and is secretly pissed off that they didn't pass one of the self-administered tests Mensa provides. Your angry troll post reinforces my conviction.

6/10


i would have also accepted a, "U MAD?!"
 
2011-06-20 05:46:43 PM
I predicted this a couple of years ago, on Fark.

I would have liked to been wrong.
 
2011-06-20 05:46:56 PM

DempseySR26: This is why it should be the prisoners responsibility to pay for their own heath care. I can't even imagine why someone thought it would be a good idea for the tax payers to pay for prisoners health care. Doesn't make any sense.


because not everyone in prison is a violent animal that should be caged for the good of society. and we're supposed to be better than just letting people rot behind bars.

show that humanity a little more, please
 
2011-06-20 05:47:52 PM

The Angry Hand of God: The worst part about the healthcare in America, is that even if you have it, the insurance companies are just out to screw you anyway. I happen to need dental work. After insurance, I was told that it would still cost nearly $13,000 for everything I needed done. I still don't understand why dental insurance is different than health insurance. When your teeth start rotting out of your head, you are welcoming a million other types of bacteria and infections that can be catastrophic to your health.

Before anyone gets on their high-horse and says something stupid like "Maybe you should brush your teeth and floss," I just want to say that I was told when I was 18 that the enamel on my teeth never developed properly. Basically meaning that no matter what I do, they are going to get messed up.


When living under oppressive Socialist healthcare in France my total dental bill came to about $500/yr (which was actually my cost for ALL insurance for a year covering everything). Since returning to the U.S. I have paid out over $20k+ in dental work this past decade.

Those oppressive Socialists even sent a nurse to my home daily so I did not have to stay in the hospital longer than necessary. What a bad system they have. USA USA USA!

Oh, did I mention insurance even covered the cost of the taxi back and forth to see my doctor after leaving the hospital? With crap like that, I don't know how anyone could ever not want the US model...USA USA USA!
 
2011-06-20 05:48:43 PM

pxlboy: no, many mensans are self-important assholes.


And nearly everybody who decides to point out to random strangers that said stranger is a self-important asshole tend to be self-important assholes themselves.

I casually mentioned "Mensa" ONCE in my original post, not to brag, but to make a point. And you and Wolfy get all belligerent as I literally went down to your momma's basement and bragged about my IQ directly in your face. Ever hear of psychological projection? It's funny how the mere mention of "Mensa" gets every quasi-intellectual know-it-all in a five-mile radius all hot 'n' bothered. Touched a nerve, eh?
 
2011-06-20 05:50:42 PM
*Sigh*

Well this thread went to the derp bin pretty quick. An argument about Mensa? Wtf.
 
2011-06-20 05:51:35 PM

Psycat: pxlboy: no, many mensans are self-important assholes.

And nearly everybody who decides to point out to random strangers that said stranger is a self-important asshole tend to be self-important assholes themselves.

I casually mentioned "Mensa" ONCE in my original post, not to brag, but to make a point. And you and Wolfy get all belligerent as I literally went down to your momma's basement and bragged about my IQ directly in your face. Ever hear of psychological projection? It's funny how the mere mention of "Mensa" gets every quasi-intellectual know-it-all in a five-mile radius all hot 'n' bothered. Touched a nerve, eh?


LOL
 
2011-06-20 05:57:14 PM

Psycat: pxlboy: no, many mensans are self-important assholes.

And nearly everybody who decides to point out to random strangers that said stranger is a self-important asshole tend to be self-important assholes themselves.

I casually mentioned "Mensa" ONCE in my original post, not to brag, but to make a point. And you and Wolfy get all belligerent as I literally went down to your momma's basement and bragged about my IQ directly in your face. Ever hear of psychological projection? It's funny how the mere mention of "Mensa" gets every quasi-intellectual know-it-all in a five-mile radius all hot 'n' bothered. Touched a nerve, eh?


I think what I love most about Fark is the level of meta-trolling that this place allows... nay encourages.

Snake Vargas: *Sigh*

Well this thread went to the derp bin pretty quick. An argument about Mensa? Wtf.


Unfortunately there wasn't much of a discussion about anything in this thread. However, I apologize for getting it completely off track...
 
2011-06-20 05:59:43 PM
I aspire to one day be old or in prison, as for some reason our politicians decided those are the people that get universal health care.
 
2011-06-20 06:06:31 PM

Spiralmonkey: Thank you all for explaining. One more thing I really don't get is that the USA spends a fortune on healthcare in emerging nations, while a situation like this can happen at home. Makes me very grateful for what I have.


Yeah, this story is totally nonsensical to me as well -- I'm Canadian. We'd just put him on a waiting list until he died of whatever it was that was bothering him, but we wouldn't find out what it was because all the MRIs are 35 years old and only run for an hour a day.
 
2011-06-20 06:13:21 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: It makes a lot more sense that this *criminal* failed to plan/save/invest and now wants everyone else to foot the bill. He probably even thinks he's some hero for doing so.


It doesn't matter if he's broke or not. This guy wouldn't have a prayer in hell at getting insurance coverage anyway.

When I finished defended my doctoral dissertation a year ago, I had a job, but because I was no longer a student, I lost my have health insurance. I was an adjunct faculty member, teaching 10 courses a year (more than I do now as a full-time visiting professor) but technically it was part time so no health insurance. (Colleges do this on purpose to save money.) I applied for private health insurance and was denied by two companies for pre-existing conditions. I am only 30 years old, and do not smoke. My medical history includes a shoulder surgery to clear out arthritis from an old injury (meaning, it's repaired now), high cholesterol for 2 months from a medication I was taking (which I no longer take), occasional sports injuries, and a minor chronic health issue that is easily managed with a $4 prescription from Walgreens and a quarterly visit to a doctor.

I did finally mange to get coverage. It was $200 a month and it excluded care for all of my pre-existing conditions. So essentially, insurance companies punished me for using my insurance coverage in the past. I imagine if my pre-existing conditions were actually current and acute, I would never have gotten coverage at all.

And for the record, I do have savings, but it is in a retirement account and there are significant penalties and taxes if I liquify the $, so I'd rather not.
 
2011-06-20 06:14:50 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I aspire to one day be old or in prison, as for some reason our politicians decided those are the people that get universal health care.


From Jumbo Joke:

I am sure you have heard the idea that if you're a senior you need to suck it up and give up the idea that you need any health care. A new hip? Unheard of. We simply can't afford to take care of you anymore. You don't need any medications for your high blood pressure, diabetes, heart problems, etc. -- the same old dodge keeps coming back: "Let's take care of the young people. After all, they will be ruling the world very soon."

Uh huh.

So here is the solution: When you turn 70, you get a gun and 4 bullets. In return for shooting 2 Senators and 2 Representatives, you get free health care for life!

How does it work?

Of course, you will be sent to prison. There you will get 3 meals a day, a roof over your head, and all the health care you need! New teeth? Great! Need glasses? No problem. New hip, knee, kidney, lung, heart? Bring it on. And who will be paying for all of this? The same government that just told you that you are too old for health care. And, since you are a prisoner, you don't have to pay any income tax, either.

I really think we have a Perfect Solution!
 
2011-06-20 06:16:42 PM

Subject Delta: Fark_Guy_Rob: It makes a lot more sense that this *criminal* failed to plan/save/invest and now wants everyone else to foot the bill. He probably even thinks he's some hero for doing so.

It doesn't matter if he's broke or not. This guy wouldn't have a prayer in hell at getting insurance coverage anyway.

When I finished defended my doctoral dissertation a year ago, I had a job, but because I was no longer a student, I lost my have health insurance. I was an adjunct faculty member, teaching 10 courses a year (more than I do now as a full-time visiting professor) but technically it was part time so no health insurance. (Colleges do this on purpose to save money.) I applied for private health insurance and was denied by two companies for pre-existing conditions. I am only 30 years old, and do not smoke. My medical history includes a shoulder surgery to clear out arthritis from an old injury (meaning, it's repaired now), high cholesterol for 2 months from a medication I was taking (which I no longer take), occasional sports injuries, and a minor chronic health issue that is easily managed with a $4 prescription from Walgreens and a quarterly visit to a doctor.

I did finally mange to get coverage. It was $200 a month and it excluded care for all of my pre-existing conditions. So essentially, insurance companies punished me for using my insurance coverage in the past. I imagine if my pre-existing conditions were actually current and acute, I would never have gotten coverage at all.

And for the record, I do have savings, but it is in a retirement account and there are significant penalties and taxes if I liquify the $, so I'd rather not.


that's all fine, but how do you feel about mensa members?
specifically ones that bring it up themselves in conversation?
 
2011-06-20 06:17:33 PM

2wolves: I predicted this a couple of years ago, on Fark.

I would have liked to been wrong.


Link or it didn't happen.
 
2011-06-20 06:22:57 PM

papabusche: that's all fine, but how do you feel about mensa members?
specifically ones that bring it up themselves in conversation?


The best retort was on "The Weakest Link":

"So how much does it cost to be in Mensa and [some other club]?"

"A couple hundred bucks."

"So you spend that much money so strangers can tell you how smart you are?"
 
2011-06-20 06:33:41 PM

Helios1182: IStateTheObvious: moefuggenbrew: Smart fella really

Not really. If he is broke, unemployed, and has some type of medical condition, he probably qualified for Medicaid.

He isn't under 18, pregnant, disabled, caring for a child, or over 65 -- he very well may not qualify.


Those were the mandatory requirements set by the federal government. Seeing how it's North Carolina, they probably weren't too expansive over the federal requirements. Still, could always catch a bus up here in the North and he would qualify. Where I am it's about 50% of the federal poverty level, or $600 a month.

Beat the buttrapage in prision, plus they do chain gangs in North Carolina. I knew a dude that went down there for school and got a liquor citation. They put his ass on a chain gang for several weeks. Scary stuff.
/csb
 
2011-06-20 06:38:14 PM
Give him some credit, at least he has a retirement plan. Unfortunately, if they release him at 62, he'll still have 3 years before Medicare. so unless he's poor he better stay healthy..
 
2011-06-20 06:39:00 PM

eraser8: Spiralmonkey: Aren't there any free clinics in the US?

Health care in the United States is truly, ridiculously horrible.


If you're poor.
 
2011-06-20 06:39:16 PM
This is the system you get when there is a need to privatize everything. Some things like the judicial system, health care, roads, etc... i.e. basic infrastructure shouldn't be privatized.
 
2011-06-20 06:40:59 PM

DempseySR26: This is why it should be the prisoners responsibility to pay for their own heath care. I can't even imagine why someone thought it would be a good idea for the tax payers to pay for prisoners health care. Doesn't make any sense.


Well, you have to ask yourself... is the point of the prison system to punish people or is the point to rehabilitate them? How do you think the rate of recidivism is effected when you saddle prisoners with crushing debt as well as social stigma?

Do you just hate everybody who isn't as successful as you? DAMN THOSE FOOLS FOR DARING TO BE POOR. NOT ON MY WATCH COMMIE.
 
2011-06-20 06:48:29 PM

Fubini: is the point of the prison system to punish people or is the point to rehabilitate them?


I tend to think neither. The point of the prison system is to keep separated from society individuals who have proven (through their crimes) that they are a threat to society. The prison system is for the people outside the prison, not the ones inside it.

"Punishment" doesn't have anything to do with it. Rehabilitation doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it either. I mean, if it happens, that's a nice bonus, but I don't think that's the point.
 
2011-06-20 06:52:37 PM

topnacho: eraser8: Spiralmonkey: Aren't there any free clinics in the US?

Health care in the United States is truly, ridiculously horrible.

If you're poor.


70 million people in the USA have a substantial medical debt. Of those people, 60% have some kind of medical insurance. Three of five personal bankruptcies in the USA are related to medical debt.

You only declare bankruptcy if you have some assets worth protecting. It's clearly not enough to have good health insurance anymore. We're at the point where the only way to avoid medical debt is to specifically live your life to avoid it... is that really the kind of society we want to have?
 
2011-06-20 06:52:38 PM

Doc Daneeka: Fubini: is the point of the prison system to punish people or is the point to rehabilitate them?

I tend to think neither. The point of the prison system is to keep separated from society individuals who have proven (through their crimes) that they are a threat to society. The prison system is for the people outside the prison, not the ones inside it.

"Punishment" doesn't have anything to do with it. Rehabilitation doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it either. I mean, if it happens, that's a nice bonus, but I don't think that's the point.


not everyone imprisoned is a dangerous animal who needs to be kept away from everyone else. but, i guess it's easier to dehumanize them since they're in jail, they *must* have done something like raping kids while microwaving puppies and tearing off mattress tags, right?
 
2011-06-20 06:53:14 PM
I would like to know how far (if it all) he got with a disability application. The severity of his back problems alone should qualify him. I am a case in point.
 
2011-06-20 06:54:29 PM

Fubini: You only declare bankruptcy if you have some assets worth protecting.


Huh? It also stops them from garnishing your wages.
 
2011-06-20 06:55:00 PM

theMagni: papabusche: that's all fine, but how do you feel about mensa members?
specifically ones that bring it up themselves in conversation?

The best retort was on "The Weakest Link":

"So how much does it cost to be in Mensa and [some other club]?"

"A couple hundred bucks."

"So you spend that much money so strangers can tell you how smart you are?"


Pretty much this. I qualify for it, but why the fark would I pay $63 a year to be in a club? Especially when, from what I can gather, the only functions of Mensa are to run game competitions that I have no desire to enter and annual meetings that I have no desire to attend. There are already at least half a dozen professional meetings that I'd like to attend but can't due to the fact that I can only miss so many classes.

Besides, I have a PhD that I can use if I really want to engage in some intellectual pissing contest. Which I don't. Unfortunately, the culture at my current institution is pretty formal so I have to use the Dr. honorific with students, even though I hate it. The only time I use it is in formal settings, where it's either Dr. or Ms., and only because the latter is incorrect. People who lord their intellectual and academic achievements over others really farking piss me off. They fuel the anti-intellectual sentiment in this country, which is socially, politically, and economically counter-productive, in my opinion.
 
2011-06-20 06:55:43 PM

Fubini: topnacho: eraser8: Spiralmonkey: Aren't there any free clinics in the US?

Health care in the United States is truly, ridiculously horrible.

If you're poor.

70 million people in the USA have a substantial medical debt. Of those people, 60% have some kind of medical insurance. Three of five personal bankruptcies in the USA are related to medical debt.

You only declare bankruptcy if you have some assets worth protecting. It's clearly not enough to have good health insurance anymore. We're at the point where the only way to avoid medical debt is to specifically live your life to avoid it... is that really the kind of society we want to have?


you can't always avoid injury or genetics
 
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