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(Obscure Store)   Principal fired for spanking 7-year-old, calling him an S.O.B.   (dispatch.com ) divider line
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2001-10-26 12:05:41 AM  
Kids crave disipline like candy.
 
2001-10-26 12:11:33 AM  
Sounds like the brat-child deserved a beating. The guy's probably making more money pouring concrete anyway.
 
2001-10-26 12:17:00 AM  
Remember, get calm first, and the stick can be no thicker than your thumb.
 
2001-10-26 12:19:37 AM  
He should've been given a raise.
 
2001-10-26 12:20:48 AM  
My in-laws are from down that way...lot of hillbillies in that area. I even saw a camping trailer with a porch attached, new car in the driveway.
 
2001-10-26 12:33:32 AM  
Lady A: Ohio hillbillies? Also it's not a trailer, camper trailer or mobile home, it's a manufactured home. ;) A buddy sells them and gets p*ssed off when you call them that. heehee

I wonder if the kid even remembers? or is a law suit being prepared by the kid's parents.
 
2001-10-26 12:36:19 AM  
Spare the rod, spoil the child.
 
2001-10-26 12:46:47 AM  
Billy Buna- That part of Ohio? lot of hillbillies there. Can't even get an FM radio station in that neck of the woods. Also, I don't think you understood what Lady A was saying when she said "camping trailer." I know what a manufactured home looks like. So, I'm sure, does she. But i've seen them too- a camping trailer, as in one of those little 16' X 5' jobbies that can be pulled by a chevette with little difficulty, with a porch stuck on the front of it, and a 2001 Full- size, crew- cab, 4 wheel drive, fully loaded, down to the heated leather seats and GPS unit 1- ton truck parked in front. And, the occupants actually do live in the trailer, even though the truck is far more spacious and comfortable. Actually, more common is the old Airstream trailer w/ all the above- we are talking about trailers designed to be moved whenever the owner wants, using a normal automobile or light truck, but placed in a fixed location and used as primary residence. And, yes. most of these folks have some kind of waaay out of line, extravagant new car or truck parked in front. With a DSS on the side of the trailer.
 
2001-10-26 12:53:08 AM  
'The rod' is the parents' job. Although shirking this responsibility can spawn Mansons and Dahmers, I am leery of allowing government officials (public school administrators fit this description) wield this power unchallenged.
 
2001-10-26 01:03:05 AM  
If that had been my child that attacked me (his mother) the principle wouldn't have had an opportunity to spank his ass, because I would've immediately dragged my child home and promptly administered an ass whipping myself.
I don't know that I completely condone the principle calling him "a little son of a biatch" but I can definetly understand the provocation. The child deserved a severe ass whipping and if the mother had had her brain and her ass wired together it would've never happened.
 
2001-10-26 01:03:47 AM  
Damnit people, read the article, the mom was PRESENT, and was getting attacked by the little hell-spawn.
 
2001-10-26 01:05:35 AM  
*the "incident" with the principle never would have happened. Of course if the mother HAD had her brain and ass wired together, her son would've never dared to attack her to start with.
 
2001-10-26 01:06:43 AM  
I did read the farking article Army, and like I said, it would've been the kid's ass if he'd been mine.
 
2001-10-26 01:06:56 AM  
His behavior was so bad he was only allowed to attend school for 2 1/2 hours a day??? WTF, bad behavior used to mean MORE time in school. This brat's parents must be real winners.
If they had any decency, they'd never even have reported him. Man, if I'd acted like that when I was a kid my parents would have slapped me silly. shiat like this is why kids grow up with no sense of discipline.
 
2001-10-26 01:08:49 AM  
There's someone I know that wouldn't have been spoiled if his uncle had spared the rod......
 
2001-10-26 01:10:27 AM  
That wasn't directed to you Doofus. It was directed at Wulph, sorry man.
 
2001-10-26 01:13:49 AM  
Actually, Wulph's post wasn't off either, fark this, I'm going to bed.
 
2001-10-26 01:14:09 AM  
Sorry, I cant resist this one:
"Spare the rod." Isn't this the last thing John Bobbitt said, right before that, uh, life- changing moment?

Oooh. That was bad. Permission granted to fire..... .....
Sorry.
 
2001-10-26 01:14:15 AM  
Wulph

It is generally understood that Principals act in loco parentis.
 
2001-10-26 01:14:30 AM  
Karma at work.
 
2001-10-26 01:14:50 AM  
Not a prob Army, 'cept I'm a chick.
(grinning)
Unless you meant it in that special " I LOVE YOU MAN!!! " way, in which case, I wouldn't be a total cocksucker and I actually share my Bud Lite with you!
 
2001-10-26 01:16:43 AM  
Chick + C---sucker = good.
 
2001-10-26 01:17:49 AM  
. . at least, in my experience . .
 
2001-10-26 01:26:35 AM  
I tell ya, I would rather have gotten spanked in school. I begged sometimes for it, "Please! JUST DON'T CALL MY DAD! I FEAR HIM! HE WIELDS THE WAND OF ODIN!" I was ten thousand times more afraid of my parents than I was of at ANYONE at school. :)
 
2001-10-26 01:27:46 AM  
Thank you, ArmyOfFun, for the chastisement and subsequent retraction. I should have clarified that in this case, the administrator was probably justfied. However, I have been seeing FAR too many stories of government-school abuses lately that, frankly, scare the shiat out of me.
 
2001-10-26 01:28:45 AM  
I know y'all can't stand the fact that I have an opinion, but I do.

As for the teacher (and fill me in here, but what kind of teacher makes $60,000 a year? Especially when other teachers aren't even making $35,00 a year...), he was right to defend himself, but spanking the kid 13 times is definitely more that self-defense. And calling the kid a "little son of a biatch" right in front of the "biatch" herself? A little tact here, please.

But you could tell the teacher was a pompous asshole anyway:

Lee, who has been working construction jobs, said he wants to teach. "I'm a good English teacher but that's not going to happen,'' he said. "I have all this education and I'm pouring concrete.''

What kind of pompous fark puts down construction workers for what they do, even if it isn't the brainiest work? Construction work is a respectable occupation, and I'm not a construction worker, nor do I have any close relatives that are. I guess that the addition of so much education to a person's life puts working hard to support your family far below that individual, eh?

This guy had losing his job coming to him, feeling so high-and-mighty that he thought he could get away with insulting a mother, insulting manual labor, and spanking a student, not on only one occasion, but TWICE.

Good teachers we need, but at what price?
 
2001-10-26 01:30:12 AM  
Greek - Thanks for the info, we got our own troubles this side of the Mason-Dixon.
Also whatever happen to the fear inducemnt caused by a "time-out" that was so "enlightened"? I still laugh when I see parents threaten their kids with it. That would have been a vacation.
 
2001-10-26 01:34:48 AM  
Sym - He was the Principal. Administrators always make more than the teachers. Whether they deserve more or not is another issue.

Billy - I gotta agree with you there. Time-outs aren't punishment, they're things that piss me off when I'm watching a football game. Unless I really have to take a leak.
 
2001-10-26 01:35:17 AM  
And I've said it before, teachers are not parents! If parents expect to be able to just send their kids to school to be raised by the teachers, then those parents are just BAD parents. Teachers have to deal with enough crap from the administration and the problem kids. Not to mention trying to teach the kids.

It's the parents' responsibilities to raise that child to a level where he/she is well-mannered enough to take part in the privilege of public education. If they can't control their kids at home, the teachers won't be able to control them at school, and they shouldn't be attending. (Which is why the kid was only allowed to attend school 2 1/2 hours a day.)

The parent(s) will be punished for not properly raising his/her/their child by having to deal with the child not being in school for 8 hours a day. Maybe THEN they'll discipline 'em.
 
2001-10-26 01:36:25 AM  
Exick: Thanks for the correction; you are right.
 
2001-10-26 01:39:02 AM  
MisterSym...There's just way to much common sense there..watch it buddy.
 
2001-10-26 01:40:12 AM  
Eh, I slightly disagree MisterSym. The child is so farked he's only allowed to go to school for 2 and a half hours a day AND is in Special Ed? I guarantee you that kid has ADD and probably a few other choice disorders. Trust me, I've been around enough to know. I don't believe that the spankings were in "self defense". Against a child? Please......Lee's life was not at risk. However, disipine was needed I think, maybe not that much. My other question though, the childs mom was right there. Why'd she let him spank him 13 times? I'm sure it's because her own hands were too damn sore to do it herself anymore. I mean seriously, you sit and watch your kid get spanked by someone else and you do nothing about it even though it bothers you. I doubt it. I bet she was cheering him on. :p And I'm sure she didn't take offense to him calling the kid a "son of a biatch"........I call my computer a son of a biatch at times, it's become a clique sort of thing. People say it all the time and aren't saying it really for what it means.

Also, I don't think he was talking down about construction workers. Most construction workers do what they do because they like it. My dad is a carpenter and he loves it, and would do nothing but.....and he has an engineering degree, he could teach, but he doesn't want to. However, this guy is being too "oh woa is me"ish. Like he'll NEVER be able to get an english teaching job? Anywhere? I'm sure someone would hire him if his ass would just go out and get it.

That's just my 89 cents......*wink*
 
2001-10-26 01:41:28 AM  
Billy Buna & Exick: Time-outs can be effective. You (meaning you as a parent/guardian) just have to make it into punishment. Instead of sitting them in the corner, force them to stand in the corner, leaning at about a 30 degree angle with both hands against either wall holding them up. Make 'em do that for 15 minutes, they'll hate it. If they move....AT ALL....add 15 minutes to their time. And keep adding 15 minutes for every time you catch them moving.

The first time you punish them, they could be there for 2 hours or so. After that, they'll generally listen to you. If they need the punishment again, trust me, it won't go past a half hour.

If they refuse to do what you say in the first place, that's when you have to get physical with them, and spank 'em, etc. Of course, there is a fine line between discipline and physical abuse. Never take it too far.
 
2001-10-26 01:53:21 AM  
MiStIcMaRa: Good points, all. But there's something you have to remember....you're assuming a lot of things. My statements were based solely on what was printed in the article.

Assuming the kid has ADD, yes, he should be treated differently once it's diagnosed. But ADD kids, before they are psychologically or medicinally treated, need to attend a Special Ed class....THAT'S WHAT SPECIAL ED IS FOR. Students whom require special needs to be educated.

Kid tried to kick him in the nuts? Then physically making contact with the child is self-defense. I already said I didn't agree with spanking the kid 13 times. Agreed...definitely too much. That should be the parents job, once again. And that child might've deserved 13 cracks for what he did (assaulting his mother, then a teacher).

I'm sure she didn't take the "little son of a biatch" comment that badly, either. But it was said, and whilst she was there. For such a well-educated man, he's dumb as a rock for using that term in front of the "biatch" herself.

And, finally, he was definitely talking down about construction workers, whether he meant it or not. If he said it in error, then those are his Freudian feelings, what he really thinks about "pouring concrete." This is about the only thing I completely disagree with you about.

He's still pompous.
 
2001-10-26 01:55:50 AM  
MisterSym -- you asked, "fill me in here, but what kind of teacher makes $60,000 a year?"

The story was pretty clear that the "teacher" was actually a principal. I believe principals are usually compensated at a higher level than teachers.

As for your snide comment that "I guess that the addition of so much education to a person's life puts working hard to support your family far below that individual, eh?" -- hey, it's not like he's sitting on his ass reading Fark instead of working -- he IS working hard in construction to support his family. How is manual labor "far below" him, then?
 
2001-10-26 01:57:57 AM  
Mr. Sym: Educate me as I have no kids. Too many nephews and nieces have killed the paternal instincts.
Whats with the absolutely ever no coporal punishment advocates who have literally taken kids from parents (We are not talking abuse here, nobody condones it) for their perceived abuse by physical punishment. My nephew has told my brother that if he got licks/spankings again that he/she she should call CWS (told this at an assembly by school counselors, Minnesota by the way). My bro threaten him with the Marine Corp Academy in Harlingen and meant it. Have parent's control and responsiblities been unsurped or is this just reactionary?
 
2001-10-26 02:04:55 AM  
I didn't say he was pompous, he is. I think he's too whiney and selfish too. I do it all the time. "What? You're all out of T-Bone Steak and lobster? You want to give me what? Psh, I don't want Filet Mignon!" Two great meals, but I was hoping for one and the other didn't seem so good at the time. If he didn't like it, he wouldn't be there in the first place. He's just biatching.

I said I slightly disagree for a reason, you did make valid points made from FACT. I did assume a lot because there was a lot missing. His actions sound a hell of a lot like ADD and in the article it does say that he should have been there all along but it wasn't until this man was fired that he was moved over. Either way, yeah, he's still an ass, but I don't think he's Satan or anything. Just your average whiney (is that how you even spell that) english teacher wanna be. And knowing all my high school english teachers, his personality is almost a spot on match. :D

*smoooooooooooootch*
 
2001-10-26 02:31:35 AM  
BrotherLove: Thank you, also, for correcting me, but it's already been done. You are correct, he was a principal, not a teacher.

As for my snide comment, I never meant to convey the message that this principal wasn't working hard. What I did mean was that he's conveying the message that manual labor is a job for someone whom has little-to-no education. As if his years of education made him too good to do manual labor.

I apologize for that statement being so ambiguous, BrotherLove. I should've cleared it up.

And I won't assume that you were inferring that I am the one "sitting on my ass reading Fark instead of working." Cause if it were so, I'd be forced to tell you that I'm at work right now, reading FARK. I have the luxury to be able to do that in the lulling times of 3rd shift telecommunications work.

Billy Buna: I'm getting to an explanation...give me a minute.
 
2001-10-26 02:35:05 AM  
I don't know about you guys, but if I spent 23 years as an educator and then got canned because of some little hell-spawn trailer trash I might be inclined to whine a bit too. All the way to the nearest clock tower...
 
2001-10-26 02:39:35 AM  
Billy Buna: I'm not sure I could completely educate you on how to raise children, for I (also) have no children. I do have over a dozen nieces and nephews, though, that I regularly take care of. This has worked wonders on two of my sister's little boys.

I don't advocate "absolutely ever no corporal punishment" at all, not that I'm charging you claimed I did. I was raised with a moderate amount of physical punishment, including spankings, yard-work, and house-work. I agree, parents should have the choice to physically discipline their children. But like I said before there's a fine line between physical discipline and phsyical abuse. Moderation is the key.

But if a parent is going to take the "no physical abuse" route, then they need to learn (and have the balls) to be consistent and tough in the punishment, akin to how I suggested parents use the time-out technique. I might've hated the US Army for the four years I spent there, but they definitely taught me how affective strict, tough discipline can be.
 
2001-10-26 02:46:10 AM  
I must agree Billy Buna: My dad raised me with fear. He stopped spanking me at an early age and from then on never had to. I hated him for a long time (or so I thought). I thought he hated me too. And later on as a teen he explained to me why he was so "insensitive" and a bit harsh and cold at times. It was for my own good and because of it, I'm a little stronger and wiser and blah blah blah. I don't hate him anymore, now I appreciate him more. I'm still afraid of him too. Rather than physical disipline, my dad was big on words. And trust me, the right words with the right tone of voice from a man that looks like a trucker from Nebraka.....*shivers*. It'll take care of ya. Now it's hilarious when I see him and am three inches taller than him and could kick his ass! Muahahahaha
 
2001-10-26 02:55:12 AM  
Sym: Thanks for your thoughts. I just thought schools telling kids "their" means of child rearing over their parent's values seemed intrusive. Then again the schools seem to see the kids more than the parents. Of course, child abuse is not the issue here. I received my share of licks from folks and teachers alike. I think back and believed it didn't perhaps change my behaviors but I learned there were consequences. Yard work, huh?, I could have degreed in landscape management by age twelve. Thanks again.
 
2001-10-26 02:56:42 AM  
MisterSym -- sorry, I don't agree that he's implying that his education makes him too good for manual labor. Actions speak louder than words. The guy is in his 50s and has gone from a desk job to pouring concrete. He's doing the work, he's supporting his family -- should he be required to love the job as well?

I don't read the implied insult to his coworkers that you're reading. In my opinion, if you have a master's degree and you take a job pouring concrete, and you don't find pouring concrete to be more satisfying than a desk job, than you are wasting the time and money you spent getting that degree. I got this opinion from my dad -- he retired from a lifetime of factory work a few years ago. When I was in high school, he saw to it that I did enough manual labor to appreciate his philosophy. I agree with the principal, and I think my dad would agree too.
 
2001-10-26 02:59:07 AM  
EnemyFrank: I see your point. But does that make the principal in question correct in what he did? No. It takes a lifetime of being a good principal to keep the job, not just 23 years, then deal with the students how I want to. Y'know?

Perhaps he should be given a second chance, seeing as he put in 23 years and all. He may deserve it. I'll try not to make the generality that most employers (not just education administrators) will back up their employees and give them a 2nd chance if they screw up, based on the merits of past performance in the job. If this guy got canned that fast, he likely had a questionable history of problems with administration or other job-related issues. I mean, the article did state he had spanked a student before and didn't get fired for it.
 
2001-10-26 03:00:44 AM  
Billy Buna: I got my share of licks, as well, from my parents and from school administration when I was in Catholic school at a young age.
 
2001-10-26 03:01:56 AM  
Sorry for the bold thang.
 
2001-10-26 03:05:35 AM  
BrotherLove: Now, I understand what you're saying. And you're probably right. He could have not been insulting manual labor. I'll give it to you that it's quite possible that he made the "pouring concrete" comment as a statement that it's not what he prefers to do.

I certainly didn't think about that, and I appreciate the conflicting view. It definitely makes me think about it.
 
2001-10-26 03:07:27 AM  
BrotherLove: And I made no implication of an insult to the principal's co-workers....just the construction worker's co-workers.
 
2001-10-26 03:11:49 AM  
Just one final thought for the night -- the guy has been not just an educated man, but a school principal. If anyone should be a spokesman for getting an education and putting in to proper use, it's a principal.

Good night, everybody.
 
2001-10-26 03:30:57 AM  
My final .02 is that most principals have been in the trenches before they move up and the competition is keen for the job. If that person felt a out of control kid needed 13 licks to calm down and become manageable, I'll defer to him. Since Mom didn't seem to care and washiat by him and I see no mention of a lawsuit, he was hung out to dry for whatever reason (PC, publicity, personality...)
Now send the "little shiat" to bed without his supper. And if I hear another G-damn peep outta you, there will be trouble.
Love you too. Mom.
 
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