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(Washington Times)   Global warming is a religion. See what happens when you mess with the global-warming crowd   (washtimes.com ) divider line
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2003-08-26 07:52:08 PM  
911? Please send a fire truck to this thread.
 
2003-08-27 01:43:06 AM  
Here are my thoughts on global warming:

Both sides seem to have great points and have contradicted each other well. So, I'll just sit back, and if pollution kicks up and we all die in a fiery ball, then the global warming people were right.
 
2003-08-27 03:44:15 AM  
::Rubs Hands:: Whoooeee this'll be a barn burner.
/JR
 
2003-08-27 03:44:18 AM  
GIANT AIR CONDITIONERS powered by fossil fuels...everybody's happy.
 
2003-08-27 03:44:24 AM  
<------ has shoe fetish
 
2003-08-27 03:44:47 AM  
Am I the only one who knows that the 'Washington Times' is owned and run by the Moonies?
 
2003-08-27 03:46:34 AM  
Global Warming...Yet another reason to move to Canada.
 
2003-08-27 03:49:00 AM  
After last winter, I want me some of that global warming.
 
2003-08-27 03:49:41 AM  
Its all a plot by environmentalists to stop our temperature from rising. My home in Washington state could become tropical AND we could finally grow oranges in Alaska. Or have you commie liberals forgotten that we need to grow food to eat? People in Ethiopia wouldn't be starving if we let them use DDT!
 
2003-08-27 03:51:28 AM  
hummm they HAVE found fossles of tropical plants and animals in places like england indicating that it was once warm there....oh and i seem to remember something about two iceages...prolly dosent mean much....oh and i remember reading once that when crakitoa blew it released more co2 and exc. than man has produced since the industrial revolution... then agan my car must be destrying the enviroment as global temp's don't ever change due to natural causes.

just my $0.02
 
2003-08-27 03:52:26 AM  
I'd like to see just how many papers have been published for and against the global warming theory. The article says the anti's are in the majority, but I could find an authorized count. Any help?
 
2003-08-27 03:52:29 AM  
I wouldn't mind seeing the West and East Coasts engulfed by the sea...Go global warming!
 
2003-08-27 03:52:36 AM  
After reading an article like this one, i feel bad farting now.
 
2003-08-27 03:55:09 AM  
How come nobody advocates the dual theory? It's a proven natural occurance & it's proven that human industry/activity contributes.
 
2003-08-27 03:57:24 AM  
Gonzothinker: you mean, like, actually get along? *gasp*
 
2003-08-27 03:57:35 AM  
You know what, I wonder if Mr. Mann took lessons from the guy who claimed living under powerlines would give you cancer and kill you. PBS ran something about how the Earth's temp has jumped around alot in it's past and has setted down to move only about 10C up and down for the last 5000 years.
 
2003-08-27 03:57:39 AM  
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2003-08-27 03:59:44 AM  
Since France has said that 10,000 have died from the recent heatwave I've taken a liking to global warming
 
2003-08-27 04:00:47 AM  
I usaully don't like French Jokes but that one got me

Kudos DAERU THE FROG
 
2003-08-27 04:02:28 AM  
I have a rule about any newspaper article that says, "In truth..." It involves a grain of salt.

Scientists have a way of arguing amongst themselves that, while seeming to hold discovery back, gives everyone a chance to explore the possibilties.

Personally, I think that man-made global warming is happening, but on an infinitesimal (woah) level. It seems our little part of the solar system is having a much larger problem, and our thick atmosphere is protecting us.

Our newsworthy friend, Mars, is having problems of it's own, as shown in this article from a few years back. Our sun, that big flaming ball in space, can affect things more than puny humans could dream.
 
2003-08-27 04:02:51 AM  
I'd like to see just how many papers have been published for and against the global warming theory. The article says the anti's are in the majority, but I could find an authorized count. Any help?

The problem with simply doing a count is that anyone can make a rambling argument that has no basis in reality, that many do this doesn't make it any more true. It is more what is said that is said well that matters.

You can always obscure what is relevant and true by loads of BS.
 
2003-08-27 04:03:20 AM  
Trumped up research from liberals?

You're kidding...liberals would never distort facts to get what they wanted, would they?
 
2003-08-27 04:05:38 AM  
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2003-08-27 04:05:58 AM  
Kaeru, I liked the picture from that story:
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I guess hospitals in frane don't got ac.

hahaha, suckers. It's God's revenge on the french, and anyone downwind.
 
2003-08-27 04:06:41 AM  
Left wing causes in general tend to be treated as a religion by the supporters and participants.

I had a hippy tree hugging girlfriend not long ago. Whenever she'd disagree with me about a political cause I'm into, I'd shrug it off as us having different personal preferences. But when I disagreed with her I was an EVIL person and that ended the relationship. Merely disagreeing with her opinion of a particular political group made me ineligible for the s3x0ring and or even friendship. The crimine of disagreeing with her and her political groups ended the relationship.

"Liberalism is the religion of the left" is an accurate statement, though I don't like referring to the left as liberal. They are anything but liberal.
 
2003-08-27 04:07:49 AM  
While most of these arguments are confined to academic discussions that the general public would find less than boring...

I hate to be a grammar nazi, but I think the author meant "more than boring" or "less than exciting."

"Less than boring" would be verging on the exciting end of the scale, would it not? I don't think that was the intention.

*really, really bored*
 
2003-08-27 04:09:11 AM  
THEGOBLINKING:

You're kidding...liberals would never distort facts to get what they wanted, would they?......Yah and how bout them WMD's.
 
2003-08-27 04:12:37 AM  
TheGoblinKing

Trumped up research from liberals?

You're kidding...liberals would never distort facts to get what they wanted, would they?


You're kidding, right?
I'm sure Liberals trump up research now and then, maybe to speed up the preservation of a species or the global ecosystem, or something silly like that.

When conservatives trump up research, thousands of brown people die, a few hundred boys from middle America get sent home in boxes with flags on them, and middle-eastern countries get taken over.
 
2003-08-27 04:12:52 AM  
Global warming is pure bullshiat. Sure, humans can dump toxic waste/oils/sewage/whatever, but this little blue rock has a way of cleaning itself up.

After awhile, that is.

The closest thing we have that can alter the weather is a nuclear blast, and even a volcano has more far reaching effects than that.
 
2003-08-27 04:13:23 AM  
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2003-08-27 04:16:50 AM  
Mr Mann is either an idiot or a chump for the UN.

UN: Hydrocarbons must be regulated....we'll do the regulating...muhuhahahaha
 
2003-08-27 04:17:04 AM  
Global warming - feh. Even the chicken little global warming alarmists know that one medium-sized volcanic eruption puts out thousands of times more CFCs than the total man has ever produced. Yet we still can't use good old R-12 in our car A/C.
 
2003-08-27 04:20:48 AM  
Kaeru the Frog
Since France has said that 10,000 have died from the recent heatwave I've taken a liking to global warming

GonzoThinker
I usaully don't like French Jokes but that one got me
Kudos DAERU THE FROG


I guess you're both a little bit right-leaning, and so you're mad at teh French for not supporting the war, and you're therefore happy that 10,000 old people have died?

That's interesting.
Did these old people have anything to do with not supporting the war?
Nope, and there's a good chance for some of them, your grandparents fought to save their freedom 60 years ago.
If they did, I'll bet they'd be ashamed of you right now, for laughing at ordinary people who've lost their lives -- lives that your grandparents were willing to die in order to save during WWII.

Grow up.
 
2003-08-27 04:22:54 AM  
BTW the UN's cae has been total bunk from the very beginning:

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
 
2003-08-27 04:23:22 AM  
I had a hippy tree hugging girlfriend not long ago. Whenever she'd disagree with me about a political cause I'm into, I'd shrug it off as us having different personal preferences. But when I disagreed with her I was an EVIL person and that ended the relationship.

Q: What is the singular form of the word 'Data'?
A: Anecdote.

Characterizing all people who hold a belief by the actions of a very few(or one) is not right thing to do. Many who are environmentalists have not really any clue as to why they are, it is a gut reaction thing but the same can be said for any strong belief(esp religion). That someone believes in something for the wrong reasons doesn't make that thing wrong, nor does it make it right.

There is good science that goes into the argument for global warming but it can never be 100%. Nothing as complex as the weather can be so certain. That some argue that natural causes are as influential or more so than human endeavors doesn't mean we should go ape and not worry about what effect it may have.

I guess for me when it comes to the argument of one side or another being misleading, I have to ask which side has the most to gain. I really don't see what the environmentalists have to personally gain; the polluters do have much to gain though.
 
2003-08-27 04:23:44 AM  
I don't mind the French I was Just saying Kaeru the Frog made a Funny. People die everyday-it's natural. Lighten up a little.
 
2003-08-27 04:24:05 AM  
You don't need a war to despise the french
 
2003-08-27 04:24:24 AM  
I am always happy when others die in large numbers, but it has nothing to do with political leanings. I just hate humanity in general.
 
2003-08-27 04:24:50 AM  
BTW sens, the Lost&Found called, they have your sense of humor
 
2003-08-27 04:25:14 AM  
2003-08-27 04:12:37 AM sens
When conservatives trump up research, thousands of brown people die, a few hundred boys from middle America get sent home in boxes with flags on them, and middle-eastern countries get taken over.

What a surpise...A liberal canadien.
The only problem with your flamebait is that
a. I don't give a shiat about arabs dying.
b. The number of arabs dying vs our boys dying is of a factor of 1000 to 1
c. middle-eastern countries need to be taken over.

Oh, and as for laughing at people my grandparents risk their lives to save(Which both of mine did), the one that is still alive hates the french for their attitude since WWII. They have allways acted like arrogent farks, so I couldn't care less about them

This thread is gonna cause global warming
 
2003-08-27 04:26:46 AM  
People still believe in global warming? Are people still getting paid to preach about the ozone hole too? That's so 1989.
 
2003-08-27 04:27:09 AM  
2003-08-27 03:51:28 AM Golem
hummm they HAVE found fossles of tropical plants and animals in places like england indicating that it was once warm there....oh and i seem to remember something about two iceages...prolly dosent mean much....oh and i remember reading once that when crakitoa blew it released more co2 and exc. than man has produced since the industrial revolution... then agan my car must be destrying the enviroment as global temp's don't ever change due to natural causes.


That statistic is commonly cited, but appears to be highly exagerated.

http://www.msu.edu/~owensma1/lbs492/Video_Index/FAQ/faq.html

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has three main sources: human burning of fossil fules (33%), hearding herbivorious animals (33%), and natural output from swamps and volcanoes (33%). So human influence accounts for only one third of all carbon dioxide emissions. During a major volcanic eruption, the CO2 put out in a few weeks from a single volcano can far exceed the normal YEARLY output of all other factors togeather.

And when you're working on a global scale, 33% is still a HUGE number that can result in a HUGE difference. We're essentially talking a 50% difference that wouldn't be there otherwise.

The fact that we're cutting down the rainforests left and right certainly doesn't help.
 
2003-08-27 04:27:20 AM  
BTW I have to agree on that liberal (meaning contemporary liberal) comment. When talking about investing the suggestion of investing in a mining company came up. Liberal in the room exclaimed: "Investing in a mining company? That's IMMORAL!!!"
 
2003-08-27 04:28:24 AM  
As far as I can tell, there were some criticisms, some characterizations, some arguments back and forth, credentials were dismissed, and someone suggested someone else be removed from a position. In spite of the article's claims, the whole thing is still less than boring.

"See what happens when you mess with the global warming crowd"? Seriously, before you submit the article next time, I want some physical violence, someone to commit suicide, or at least use of actual cuss words.
 
2003-08-27 04:29:01 AM  
I'm confused. It seems obvious to me that the hauman race is generating a hell of a lot of crap, and that crap will eventually cause negative effects globaly. - Why is it in anyones interest to malign any group whose interests will likely benifit the vast majority, yet harm a minority (whose harm will primarily be in the pocket.)?

It doesn't matter what any scientific guestimation predicts, or what historic proof there is of temperature fluctuations. What seems obvious to me is that, the human race ain't doing the earth any favours, and it needs to err on the side of caution rather than hope for the best.
 
2003-08-27 04:29:43 AM  
Zeromyhero What about the red threat from russia? Am I too late for that one?
 
2003-08-27 04:31:58 AM  
Albeit certain natural processes introduce more ozone depleting chemicals than man made processes, nevertheless these take place in locations where the impact is minimized through environmental conditions that are able to absorb the change or process the introduced chemicals in such a way that they have a limited impact. Whereas most pollutants produced by man made sources are introduced into environments that cannot support the addition of chemicals or have the inability to sustain long term exposure without certain detrimental environmental effects occurring. Such is the case in cities like Los Angeles or Paris or London, all of which have had a statistical rise in the average air temperature over the last several decades that is abnormal compared to the natural temperature cycles of our planet. In short, although the long term effects of these chemicals may not be raising the temperature of our planet in such a way that it affects the ecosystem globally, but it nevertheless is affecting the areas in which we reside in a detrimental manner.
 
2003-08-27 04:32:53 AM  
Natural or Human-We all agree it's getting warmer right? Why not invest some money in research that can help us cope with it?
 
2003-08-27 04:33:18 AM  
Just_Another_Arsehole, how about dealing with known environmental problems instead of phantom ones?

All you're going to do by regulating hydrocarbons is fark the economy, then the environment is going to get a hell of a lot worse.
 
2003-08-27 04:34:51 AM  
During a major volcanic eruption, the CO2 put out in a few weeks from a single volcano can far exceed the normal YEARLY output of all other factors togeather.

Volcanos that have erupted since the beginning of time = alot.

Years that humans have been in the industrial age = alot less.

you win... ?
 
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