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(Boston.com) Interesting Democrats worry, is Obama's Commerce Secretary nominee a radical environmentalist out to destroy the fishing industry?   (boston.com) divider line 42
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2011-06-20 10:15:12 AM
Why absolutely he is, why else would Obama want him?
Who we need is someone from exxon to come in and control the fishing industry.
 
2011-06-20 10:17:25 AM
Tymast: Why absolutely he is, why else would Obama want him?
Who we need is someone from exxon to come in and control the fishing industry.


Boobies, first strawman. Impressive.
 
2011-06-20 10:17:30 AM
Seems fishy to me...
 
2011-06-20 10:18:00 AM
Frank N Stein: Tymast: Why absolutely he is, why else would Obama want him?
Who we need is someone from exxon to come in and control the fishing industry.

Boobies, first strawman. Impressive.


Boobies.
 
2011-06-20 10:18:08 AM
Of course.

Obama is the rootin-ist, tootin-ist, most gosh darn anti-business, secular socialist that ever lived or will live.
 
2011-06-20 10:18:11 AM
This person sounds simply radical.
 
2011-06-20 10:18:35 AM
Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Tymast: Why absolutely he is, why else would Obama want him?
Who we need is someone from exxon to come in and control the fishing industry.

Boobies, first strawman. Impressive.

Boobies.


Boobies are impressive. Do you disagree?
 
2011-06-20 10:19:07 AM
Two representatives in a legislative body publicly airing their concerns in a fashion to draw attention to the realities of their constituents?

Shocking.
 
2011-06-20 10:19:25 AM
The fishing industry doesn't need any help, it's doing a great job killing itself.
 
2011-06-20 10:19:43 AM
Tymast: Why absolutely he is, why else would Obama want him?
Who we need is someone from exxon to come in and control the fishing industry.


Damn that extreme right wing Boston Globe trying to concern troll Obama!
 
2011-06-20 10:20:03 AM
Money needs to be steered towards more "farm" production of fish and shellfish and continue this course for a few decades until the seas have had some time to repopulate themselves.

Our waters were already extremely over-fished even before the oil spills and waste releases. They need time to recover.
 
2011-06-20 10:20:12 AM
The fisherman's credo: From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.
 
2011-06-20 10:20:28 AM
"While we would normally like strong environmentalist laws, in this case it would actually affect us and that kind of sucks so we oppose this nominee."
 
2011-06-20 10:20:45 AM
 
2011-06-20 10:20:55 AM
Everyone Fartbama has ever associated with has been a radical far-far-far-far-left extremist out to destroy All That We As Americans Hold Dear.
 
2011-06-20 10:21:05 AM
I have said it before and I will say it again... we have to wipe out these fish, both fresh AND saltwater, and we need to get it done soon. Otherwise the public sector employees win.
 
2011-06-20 10:24:18 AM
Nocens: Money needs to be steered towards more "farm" production of fish and shellfish and continue this course for a few decades until the seas have had some time to repopulate themselves.

Our waters were already extremely over-fished even before the oil spills and waste releases. They need time to recover.


Bzzt. Salmon farm fishing has done more damage to fisheries than wild caught fishing. Catfish farming is ecologically sound, though.
 
2011-06-20 10:24:23 AM
Luckily Red Blooded Americans™ only eat Beef. This has no effect on those True Americans™.
 
2011-06-20 10:25:05 AM
But the credential that has sparked the most criticism dates back four decades. In 1969, he cofounded the Natural Resources Defense Council while at Yale Law School, then worked as its attorney from 1970 to 1974. Since 1993, the environmental group has advocated for strong fishery management, among other issues, and has brought lawsuits against the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the division of the Commerce Department that oversees fisheries.

So the guy helped found an organization which only started getting involved in fishery management 20 years after he left.

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2011-06-20 10:27:08 AM
gulogulo: Nocens: Money needs to be steered towards more "farm" production of fish and shellfish and continue this course for a few decades until the seas have had some time to repopulate themselves.

Our waters were already extremely over-fished even before the oil spills and waste releases. They need time to recover.

Bzzt. Salmon farm fishing has done more damage to fisheries than wild caught fishing. Catfish farming is ecologically sound, though.



What damage?
 
2011-06-20 10:27:39 AM
It's all because Fish is the other white meat....
 
2011-06-20 10:27:55 AM
Diogenes: Of course.

Obama is the rootin-ist, tootin-ist, most gosh darn anti-business, secular socialist that ever lived or will live.


Or, just maybe a few legislatures voice their concern that this appointee, based on his past associations, may work against their constituents interest. Because of these concerns, the legislatures have asked the appointee not to mess with a major part of their economy.

But naw, play the victim.
 
2011-06-20 10:29:09 AM
canyoneer: (new window)

from that link:

Life on Earth has gone through five "mass extinction events" caused by events such as asteroid impacts; and it is often said that humanity's combined impact is causing a sixth such event.

On a grand scale it makes it seem not so bad, the earth will shake us off like fleas and then 100,000,000 years it'll all be like we never existed.
 
2011-06-20 10:29:32 AM
How dare someone care about conservation!
 
2011-06-20 10:30:08 AM
Our grandchildren won't know what fish were. The fact that anyone who would stand up and say something about it is branded a "radical environmentalist" is just further evidence that the human race deserves the long, protracted suffering death that will come to it.
 
2011-06-20 10:32:06 AM
Shaggy_C: Our grandchildren won't know what fish were.

You do realize there are fish in places other than American coastal waters, right?
 
2011-06-20 10:36:00 AM
Frank N Stein: Or, just maybe a few legislatures voice their concern that this appointee, based on his past associations, may work against their constituents interest. Because of these concerns, the legislatures have asked the appointee not to mess with a major part of their economy.

But naw, play the victim.


It's more a matter of being punched in the same spot so many times that even someone pretending to punch the same spot is going to make you flinch. We lack principled opposition.
 
2011-06-20 10:38:06 AM
History's greatest monster.
 
2011-06-20 10:39:36 AM
Frank N Stein: Or, just maybe a few legislatures voice their concern that this appointee, based on his past associations, may work against their constituents interest. Because of these concerns, the legislatures have asked the appointee not to mess with a major part of their economy.

Maybe a few legislators should realize that their constituents often have no long term judgment and prefer regulation styles that produce more money for the next quarter over regulation styles that enable sustainable industry. Maybe a few legislators should tell their constituents to shut the fark up and color.

Also, double lolz for Barney Frank complaining about environmental regulation.
 
2011-06-20 10:42:07 AM
Frank N Stein: Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Tymast: Why absolutely he is, why else would Obama want him?
Who we need is someone from exxon to come in and control the fishing industry.

Boobies, first strawman. Impressive.

Boobies.

Boobies are impressive. Do you disagree?


He probably does. NTTAWWT
 
2011-06-20 10:48:28 AM
sprawl15: You do realize there are fish in places other than American coastal waters, right?

It's a global problem, and, like most global problems, we as the most affluent and powerful nation should take the lead in correcting the problem. We will not do so.
 
2011-06-20 10:52:50 AM
Warning the idiots not to destroy our nice things, then working tirelessly to keep the idiots from destroying our nice things, then watching as the idiots do everything in their power to destroy our nice things out of spite, then finally seeing them destroy our nice things and only being able to say "I told you so" when the idiots suddenly realize they no longer have those nice things.

The liberal's burden.
 
2011-06-20 10:53:32 AM
gulogulo: Catfish farming is ecologically sound, though.

Maybe in the narrowest and most local sense, but catfish farming brought the silver and bighead carp, whose escapes from catfish ponds is proving an absolutely unmitigated ecological disaster to the entire Mississippi River drainage, right down to the smallest tributaries. Not to mention the entire Great Lakes complex and drainage if we don't take radical steps to prevent it.
 
2011-06-20 10:57:26 AM
Shaggy_C: sprawl15: You do realize there are fish in places other than American coastal waters, right?

It's a global problem, and, like most global problems, we as the most affluent and powerful nation should take the lead in correcting the problem. We will not do so.



We can't, we're too busy pissing away our money in ineffectual attempts to fix other countries' problems.

Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel, Egypt, Iran, etc... they're all more important to the lives of regular Americans than working on competent policy for inconsequential domestic issues like employment, food accessibility, and resource management.
 
2011-06-20 10:57:48 AM
Shaggy_C: Our grandchildren won't know what fish were. The fact that anyone who would stand up and say something about it is branded a "radical environmentalist" is just further evidence that the human race deserves the long, protracted suffering death that will come to it.

I don't know about you but I plan on taking my grandkids to downtown Chicago, just off of Lakeshore, to learn how to fish for mackerel and other sea creatures. We might also learn how to club seals while we are there.
 
2011-06-20 10:59:30 AM
Stone Meadow: gulogulo: Catfish farming is ecologically sound, though.

Maybe in the narrowest and most local sense, but catfish farming brought the silver and bighead carp, whose escapes from catfish ponds is proving an absolutely unmitigated ecological disaster to the entire Mississippi River drainage, right down to the smallest tributaries. Not to mention the entire Great Lakes complex and drainage if we don't take radical steps to prevent it.


That is in flyover territory therefor it does not matter.
 
2011-06-20 11:00:20 AM
Stone Meadow: Maybe in the narrowest and most local sense, but catfish farming brought the silver and bighead carp, whose escapes from catfish ponds is proving an absolutely unmitigated ecological disaster

Which just goes to show you: don't put ponds in a river.
 
2011-06-20 11:19:54 AM
Unfortunately, it seems like it's either the fish or the fisherman at this point. They seem unable to fish in a sustainable manner and still remain in business. Not their fault, but that's how it is.

I don't know what can be done, it doesn't matter how sustainable the Government tries to make the industry, foreign boats don't give a shiat what the US government says on the issue.

/It was nice to have been able to taste swordfish, tuna etc. The larger, higher on the food chain fish will be the first to go.
 
2011-06-20 11:58:20 AM
Tickle Mittens: The fishing industry doesn't need any help, it's doing a great job killing itself.

DRTFA, but came here to say this. There won't be a fishing industry to worry about soon enough.
 
2011-06-20 12:24:15 PM
Destroy WHAT fishing industry?

Cod fishermen who used to fish the Grand Banks of Newfoundland are fishing for crab because there's no cod left.

Lobster and crab fishermen from Nova Scotia to Cape Cod are fishing for sea urchins because the crab are all gone.

Sea urchin fishermen are thinking about how big the Japanese market for jellyfish might be, and whether there is something that can be done with sea grass.

The only American or Canadian waters with a proper, healthy fishery is Alaska, and that's a bit shaky. The rest is fish farms, which are even more destructive of inshore fisheries than offshore fisheries.

Corporations destroyed the fishing industry. The small, family-operated, inshore fishing fleets were wiped out by government subsidies to fish plants and big boats.

Before refrigators, you couldn't get fresh salt water fish unless you lived near the coast. Trains made shipping fish possible if they could be shipped on ice or in tanks but it was still expensive and fish wouldn't keep once you bought them--they pretty much had to be used the same day unless smoked, salted or dried, hence the aversion of many people to fish until recently.

If an environmentalist could figure out how to restore the fish stocks, the fishermen would probably vote Green forever.

But it is easier to destroy an ecology than to build one.

Only God can make a sea.
 
2011-06-20 12:32:31 PM
sprawl15: Stone Meadow: Maybe in the narrowest and most local sense, but catfish farming brought the silver and bighead carp, whose escapes from catfish ponds is proving an absolutely unmitigated ecological disaster

Which just goes to show you: don't put ponds in a river.



He's also full of shiat.

The problems he's complaining about are caused by private citizens stocking their private ponds (normally located near creeks and tributaries) with non-local species.

The fisheries despise the farms.
 
2011-06-20 04:12:59 PM
Democrats Everyone's worry, is Obama's Commerce Secretary nominee is a radical environmentalist out to destroy the fishing industry?
 
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