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(WUSA 9)   Ho-hum: County gov't shuts down kids' lemonade stand. News: County also fines parents $500. Fark: The kids were raising money for pediatric cancer   (wusa9.com) divider line 207
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2011-06-17 10:14:53 AM
Jesus v2.0: So basically, don't underestimate kids. They don't know what the hell their doing but if they learn they are a lot less cynical than we are and will make the effort where most adults wont.

Fark! Cue Bob the Angry Flower.
 
2011-06-17 10:16:15 AM
FTFA: "The message to kids is, there's no American dream."

The horror, the horror.
 
2011-06-17 10:17:44 AM
Petit_Merdeux: Ooooh! I'm impressed!

Is your name Dilbert?


Jesus actually.

And I've got a 8 inch dick to go with my mid-six figure salary and supermodel wife. Just like everyone else around here. :)
 
2011-06-17 10:19:57 AM
Pinworms: The mom wanted to be fined. This is so that she could raise a stink about it and contact the media. She is a busybody attention whore who feels like her precious snowflakes are exempt from the rules. Also by obtaining media attention, she is hoping some rich guy feels sympathy and gives her a check to her snowflakes.

Guerilla marketing fundraising! XD
 
2011-06-17 10:20:52 AM
This stand is located in the most affluent part of one of the most affluent counties in America. If the mother wants to help cancer kids in Haiti, send them a check, but leave your kids out of it.

The law isn't really set up to close kids stands, but what if some dirty hot dog wagon pulls up to a construction site and sells turd dogs? The kids stand falls under the same umbrella.

/stupid coont
//get a permit and park cars on your lawn like all your neighbors. You'd make more money... to give away
 
2011-06-17 10:21:57 AM
mekki: So, she should know EXACTLY how to run a fundraiser.

And the county doesn't. The county can't find its ass with both hands without an $8m grant to seek proposals for the headquarter of a Regional Gluteal-Location Task Force.

TFA quotes the county director of permitting saying this:

"it's technically illegal to run even the smallest lemonade stand in the county"

And the county website says this:

Selling lemonade does require a license

Plain as day, the county has no farking idea what it's doing.
 
2011-06-17 10:23:43 AM
FTFA: But that did little to console Carrie Marriott. "Does every kid who sells lemonade now have to register with the county?" she asked the inspector.

Yes. What part of the farking law is so confusing to you, dummy? It makes no difference if you claim that you're donating the money to charity. You were warned three times. Thee times, and you chose to ignore the police. What kind of lesson does that teach your snowflakes? Pay the freaking fine and be glad they didn't take you to the pokey.
 
2011-06-17 10:23:48 AM
Jesus v2.0: Oh I'm not saying that the parents can't have provided the heavy lifting and logistics but involving the kids in that process shows them what is involved in making an actual difference rather than just a token feel-good measure.

Point being there should be no heavy lifting and logistics in selling some lemonade out in front of your house if you are a kid. If there is that is a failing by the those involved in enforcing regulations on that local level.
 
2011-06-17 10:23:53 AM
Jesus v2.0: Petit_Merdeux: Ooooh! I'm impressed!

Is your name Dilbert?

Jesus actually.

And I've got a 8 inch dick to go with my mid-six figure salary and supermodel wife. Just like everyone else around here. :)


Sorry about your small penis.



/couldn't resist
 
2011-06-17 10:27:14 AM
JackieRabbit: Yes. What part of the farking law is so confusing to you, dummy?

Maybe the part where the county says you need a lemonade stand permit but the county permitting director says having a lemonade stand is illegal?
 
2011-06-17 10:30:24 AM
jst3p: Sorry about your small penis.

/couldn't resist


yeah, but at least it's thin
 
2011-06-17 10:33:29 AM
Gulper Eel: Maybe the part where the county says you need a lemonade stand permit but the county permitting director says having a lemonade stand is illegal?

Those of us with an IQ higher than room temperature understand that he's talking about "unlicensed" lemonade stands.
 
2011-06-17 10:38:10 AM
Bunnyhat: What's funny is that the county has given scores of other neighbors permits to let golf fans park on their front lawns. The permits cost almost $300, but prices per car run as much as $60 a day. And some neighbors are reportedly raking in tens of thousands of dollars.


"This gentleman from the county is now telling us because we don't have a vendors license, the kids won't be allowed to sell their lemonade," Carrie Marriott told us, her voice trembling.


Then go get a farking vendors license you stupid vapid little biatch.


The quote at the end was kinda funny:

"Carrie Marriott is having a hard time reconciling the two different perspectives on entrepreneurship at the US Open. "The message to kids is, there's no American dream.""

Is the American dream one where you sell lemonade to raise money for cancer research?
 
2011-06-17 10:39:11 AM
JackieRabbit: "Does every kid who sells lemonade now have to register with the county?" she asked the inspector.

Yes.


This particular case is a situation where the kids at the behest of the parent(s) are doing something bigger than a lemonade stand. If you believe every lemonade stand needs a permit you are advocating something idiotic IMO.
 
2011-06-17 10:43:47 AM
Gulper Eel

Threads like this are why you are on my favorites list. :-)

As usual, the government just wants their rake for doing absolutely nothing.
 
2011-06-17 10:57:58 AM
goober1223: Gulper Eel

Threads like this are why you are on my favorites list. :-)

As usual, the government just wants their rake for doing absolutely nothing.


Just like the mafia.
 
2011-06-17 11:02:40 AM
pablodolanez: Mantis Facepalm

Double facepalm because that's either a katydid or a grasshopper, not a mantis.

\learn2entymology
 
2011-06-17 11:05:31 AM
Why don't they just give away the lemonade for free and accept donations for cancer? They would probably make more money anyway.

Am I missing something?
 
2011-06-17 11:05:58 AM
Jesus v2.0: Those of us with an IQ higher than room temperature understand that he's talking about "unlicensed" lemonade stands.

Re-read, please. That is not indicated at all in the comment of the permitting director. You are making an inference that may or may not be true.

"Jennifer Hughes, the director of permitting for the county, says it's technically illegal to run even the smallest lemonade stand in the county, but inspectors usually don't go looking for them."

I'll allow that perhaps the reporter also farked up in not being clear on the terms, but ulitmately the county should have prepared for this. They've known for YEARS that the U-S Open was coming, and they sure as shiat were ready to charge people in the neighborhood permit fees to allow yard parking.

Additionally, Congressional has hosted lots of high profile heavy traffic Tour events over the decades...but we are to believe no kid had ever set up a lemonade stand in a high-traffic area before.
 
2011-06-17 11:07:45 AM
Is foot cancer really that big of a problem?
 
2011-06-17 11:18:33 AM
Darkwing: Is foot cancer really that big of a problem?

It has de-feeted many people.
 
2011-06-17 11:19:49 AM
Gulper Eel: Maybe the part where the county says you need a lemonade stand permit but the county permitting director says having a lemonade stand is illegal?

What I read was very clear. Setting up a lemonade stand requires a vendor permit. All one has to do is fill out a form. The police were were understanding that she may not have known this and warned them instead of citing them for a violation right off the bat. Now, the county says they don't worry about little Johnny setting up a table in his front yard and selling a few cups of lemonade, but this wasn't that sort of operation. It was huge and on what seems to be a busy public street. The mom's just attention-whoring.
 
2011-06-17 11:24:50 AM
Elvis_Bogart: WhyteRaven74: I predict that in this thread most of those if not all of those defending the county will be the same people who whine about government getting in the way of business. As they are every time this subject comes up.

Wrong...Why would a "less-government" proponent defend the county on this one?


THIS

that's one confused libtard
 
2011-06-17 11:26:55 AM
2wolves: ComicBookGuy

Well, OK, than.

But if you want a place which makes Takoma Park look like Sugarland, TX, go into the Reed College student union (well, certainly during the late '80s, maybe it's changed)
 
2011-06-17 11:28:00 AM
stirfrybry: Elvis_Bogart: WhyteRaven74: I predict that in this thread most of those if not all of those defending the county will be the same people who whine about government getting in the way of business. As they are every time this subject comes up.

Wrong...Why would a "less-government" proponent defend the county on this one?

THIS

that's one confused libtard


LOL...holy fark you're stupid.
 
2011-06-17 11:30:32 AM
Whoahhh,,.....I guess I shouldn't be surprised that most of the "libertarian" Farkers are so ready to love them some government cock\, huh?
 
2011-06-17 11:30:37 AM
Tommy Moo: My guess is that the county is getting complaints from for-profit vendors selling bottled water and Pepsi at $5 a pop.

THIS (plus a 10% surcharge).

Saw those kind of prices when I went to the '06 Open, where the vendors had an even bigger monopoly than usual because Winged Foot is set apart from the more densely-populated parts of town where somebody might have set up shop.

I think the Masters may be the only major sporting event that doesn't fark its paying customers.

Sandwiches: $1.50-$2.50

BBQ sandwich (hot): $2.50

Chicken Biscuit: $1.50

Muffin: $1

Soda: $1.50

Water/iced tea: $1.50

Beer: $2.75 domestic, $3.50 imported (Not available on the main course after 4 p.m.)

Snacks: $1

Fruit: $1

Ice Cream: $2

Coffee: $1


It's the whole getting-a-ticket part that's impossible.
 
2011-06-17 11:32:54 AM
JackieRabbit: All one has to do is fill out a form.

And did you read the form?

It is written to apply to professional operators and large-scale charities, not kids.

What kind of lemonade stand needs a tax-ID number?
 
2011-06-17 11:45:18 AM
"Gulper Eel [TotalFark] Quote 2011-06-17 11:32:54 AM
JackieRabbit: All one has to do is fill out a form.

And did you read the form?

It is written to apply to professional operators and large-scale charities, not kids.

What kind of lemonade stand needs a tax-ID number?"


The kind run by balding, angry middle-aged Republicans that can't get laid?
 
2011-06-17 11:51:08 AM
FlippityFlap: The kind run by balding, angry middle-aged Republicans that can't get laid?

That's bullshiat. We do scotch, not lemonade.

Hey, wait a minute...
 
2011-06-17 11:56:14 AM
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2011-06-17 11:56:59 AM
TFA
Carrie Marriott is having a hard time reconciling the two different perspectives on entrepreneurship at the US Open. "The message to kids is, there's no American dream."

Well that's not melodramatic or anything.

Besides, the American Dream has been dead for decades. By '71 it was nothing but an abandoned discotheque on the outskirts of Vegas.
 
2011-06-17 12:01:59 PM
Hughes also says they've warned all kinds of other vendors they couldn't operate near the US Open because of concerns about traffic and safety.



Usually I hate stories like this one, but this right here is probably a good point. Nothing says good parenting like having a bunch of "cute little kids" running around next to the street in busy traffic. Especially around a sporting event like this where people get all heated up trying to get the best parking and don't have a problem running stoplights or driving on sidewalks.
 
2011-06-17 12:02:30 PM
"I want a permit...no, a lemonade stand permit. I want a pitcher, I want ice cubes, I want..."

"YOU'LL GET NOTHING AND LIKE IT!"
 
2011-06-17 12:15:39 PM
Local government is so much better than the federal government. /sarcasm
 
2011-06-17 12:17:01 PM
WhyteRaven74:

Because they only complain about government getting in the way of corporations not small business. It's why they piss and moan about corporate taxes but won't think twice about small business legislation. At their core they're just authoritarians who easily substitute big government with big business.


I'm guessing you are retarded?
 
2011-06-17 12:34:45 PM
ComicBookGuy: 2wolves: ComicBookGuy

Well, OK, than.

But if you want a place which makes Takoma Park look like Sugarland, TX, go into the Reed College student union (well, certainly during the late '80s, maybe it's changed)


I could be the one resident actual conservative.
 
2011-06-17 12:37:26 PM
Regulations! Wooo!
 
2011-06-17 12:50:26 PM
Hank Rearden: Regulations! Wooo!

SHHHHH! No talking in rank. It's against regalations!

th02.deviantart.net
 
2011-06-17 01:03:01 PM
Pocket_Fisherman
WhyteRaven74:

Because they only complain about government getting in the way of corporations not small business. It's why they piss and moan about corporate taxes but won't think twice about small business legislation. At their core they're just authoritarians who easily substitute big government with big business.

I'm guessing you are retarded?


If you actually think that the GOP isn't all about sucking off big business, the shoe's on the other foot. It's what they do. Fark poor people. Fark middle class people. Get those groups to fight with each other so that they leave the super wealthy alone. Mission accomplished!

/though I don't see how any of this much relates to TFA
 
2011-06-17 04:24:22 PM
Vienna: When I was a kid, my friends and I had a lemonade stand outside of the local city hall (a smaller town), and the Mayor and Chief of Police just happened to be walking by and told us we needed a liscense to operate a lemonade stand. He also said that in order to get a liscense both he and the Chief of Police would need to test the lemonade to see if there might be anything in it.

So, we gave each of them a sample, and they went inside. After about five minutes of us being nervous (thinking we were in trouble), out comes to Mayor and his Secretary, with a car liscense plate, two nails, and a hammer. He told us that the samples we gave were fine and that he personally approved the liscense application (and proceeded to nail the plate to you wooden stand), and he made sure to call a bunch of people working that day to come over and buy some lemonade from us. Heck, he even insisted that if we were in need of more water for our lemonade we could come inside the City Hall and his Secretary would help us make some more to sell.

Ahhh, those were the days, nice people. I doubt something like that could happen today.


Those bastards scammed free lemonade from children. They should burn in Hell
 
2011-06-17 07:04:22 PM
So I'm confused Is big government interference a bad thing or is that only when it's trying to bully a corporation instead of little kids?
 
2011-06-17 07:11:27 PM
Sombreros or little ponchos for the cloak of invisibility?
 
2011-06-18 12:22:05 AM
PopularFront: To address what other posters have suggested, I don't think the kids were out there to make money for themselves. Carrie Marriott (the mom) is married to David Marriott who is one of the top people in Marriott International. The family has a history of fundraising for charitable causes and they don't need lemonade stand money, they're loaded. If you look at the map in the link above and look for the biggest house on the street, that's theirs.

If she's married to a bigwig that does tons of charity things then she should know full well what is needed in order to run a stand of this nature as well as having the bucks to pay for it and the lawyers or gofers to do it for her. That she and/or her husband interacts with fundraising events on a regular basis makes it even worse- she should and probably does know better. She just viewed herself as above the rules that everyone else have to follow.

I'd also imagine that even if she wasn't, if she were to walk into the public offices and say "I'm going to get my kids to run a charity lemonade stand outside of the US Open", there's someone in there who would be nice enough to help cut through a lot of the red tape.
 
2011-06-18 04:10:44 AM
Battlestar Girlactica: I'd also imagine that even if she wasn't, if she were to walk into the public offices and say "I'm going to get my kids to run a charity lemonade stand outside of the US Open", there's someone in there who would be nice enough to help cut through a lot of the red tape.

I would hope so, but the county government behaved like there had never been a golf tournament at Congressional before.
 
2011-06-18 05:06:44 AM
Gulper Eel: king applesauce: Why? I would hope the parents would gather everything for them and simply let their children have fun and sell the lemonade.

Also not that easy. Did you see the permit applications? Not only is it maddening to even figure out which form is the right form and which fee is the right fee, they ask for not only 501(c)(3) info but also tax ID numbers, proof of health-department regulation compliance, yadda farking yadda farking yadda.

What's so hard about setting up a simple permitting process for kids' lemonade stands? Five bucks to cover administrative costs, you can only sell in your own front yard, the county doesn't give a shiat who the money goes to, or that the kid pouring the lemonade has an owie on his hand with a band-aid on it. They're selling lemonade, not handling raw meat.

I'm all for living by the rules...but in this case the rules are incomprehensible (by design).


I only spent two minutes looking at the list and even I could tell that they were looking for:

FOOD - SEASONAL OR TEMPORARY LICENSE
For Profit 14 Days or Less Selling Potentially Hazardous or
Open Food (Including samples), Each License at an Event $65
or
Nonprofit Less than 14 Consecutive Days Selling Hazardous Food $30

Your research skills suck. All it takes is a call or visit to City Hall if you aren't sure, as I'm sure most of the vendors did, and if the mom really is involved in business and charity then she would know more than anyone about how important licenses are in the business world.
 
2011-06-18 05:10:59 AM
Gulper Eel: JackieRabbit: All one has to do is fill out a form.

And did you read the form?

It is written to apply to professional operators and large-scale charities, not kids.

What kind of lemonade stand needs a tax-ID number?


One that makes hundreds or thousands of dollars at a major sporting event? You might be on to something. Let me go down to the mall and tell the shaved-ice stand there that they could save a lot of money since they don't actually need permits or inspections. Maybe they'll comp me a slushie!
 
2011-06-18 05:19:29 AM
foxyshadis: Your research skills suck. All it takes is a call or visit to City Hall if you aren't sure, as I'm sure most of the vendors did, and if the mom really is involved in business and charity then she would know more than anyone about how important licenses are in the business world.

THIS. I was all "yay for the kiddies" until I read the name "Marriott". At first I assumed there was no relation until I'd read the thread and saw otherwise. You can't tell me that a woman worth millions and has a husband involved with the hotel doesn't know how to check these things or can't get someone to check this stuff out for her.

I have to say that I was a bit skeptical that someone would set up a booth this size outside of an event that size and not think at some point that they should look into licenses and permits. Or even call to make sure that it was ok for her to set up this booth.
 
2011-06-18 06:04:27 AM
foxyshadis: FOOD - SEASONAL OR TEMPORARY LICENSE
For Profit 14 Days or Less Selling Potentially Hazardous or
Open Food (Including samples), Each License at an Event $65
or
Nonprofit Less than 14 Consecutive Days Selling Hazardous Food $30

Your research skills suck. All it takes is a call or visit to City Hall if you aren't sure, as I'm sure most of the vendors did, and if the mom really is involved in business and charity then she would know more than anyone about how important licenses are in the business world.


I saw that form, too. And a second form very much like it, as noted upthread. Both of them larded down with jargon and legalese obviously directed at far larger operations.

foxyshadis: One that makes hundreds or thousands of dollars at a major sporting event?

This one made 600 bucks so far.

Yeah, huge operation those 10-year-olds had going there. Larger than average, given the crowds, but not exactly a threat to the corporate vendors inside.

Jesus, they played the U.S. Open at Congressional back in 1964, it's been a regular Tour stop for most of the past 50 years...but only now does the county become a stickler for paperwork and fees.

And we are to believe that's not a revenue grab.
 
2011-06-18 11:31:04 AM
Thoguh: Why do these headlines always fail to point out the the kids set up the stand either somewhere where you aren't allowed to sell stuff or in direct competition with vendors who have paid to get a liscense and/or a stall and also have to make sure they can pass health inspections?

Almost every time a "Evil county official shuts down poor kid's lemonade stand" it always turns out to be something like that. I'll save my outrage for another time.


The update says it was because they were likely to get hit by traffic. It sounds more like 'idiot parents got mad when police pointed out that kids could get hit by a car' than 'evil county official shuts down poor kid's lemonade stand'. The police were probably a bit douchy because the lemonade stand was so big, too.

/Parents, WHY would you let your kids near traffic?
 
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