..and you need a permit to let people park on your own front lawn?

Fark you - useless county nanny-statist microcrats.

We'd have a cure for pediatric cancer if the county hadn't done this, you know.

While I feel for the kids, I'm not really seeing the gov't as the bad guys here. It wasn't just two kids with about 3-4 pitchers worth of lemonade. It was tons of coolers worth of lemonade and they were warned multiple times. The county tried to be nice but the parents decided that they were special enough to warrant being above the law. I'm going to guess that the warnings were spaced out about 30 minutes in interim in order to give them enough time to clean up.

If not for the fact that the parents were warned multiple times that they couldn't sell lemonade there without a permit, I'd be siding with the parents. But they were warned more than once and the parents ignored those warnings. Technically the parents are the ones in the wrong here.

It's not like they can't go back and hold it again. They just have to get a permit first, but then saying that would make them seem less like victims.

Vienna: Ahhh, those were the days, nice people. I doubt something like that could happen today.

Get off my lawn, damn it.

Kids these days, jeeeeeez.

Thoguh: Why do these headlines always fail to point out the the kids set up the stand either somewhere where you aren't allowed to sell stuff or in direct competition with vendors who have paid to get a liscense and/or a stall and also have to make sure they can pass health inspections?

Almost every time a "Evil county official shuts down poor kid's lemonade stand" it always turns out to be something like that. I'll save my outrage for another time.

Normally I'd concede if this wasn't also in the article:

What's funny is that the county has given scores of other neighbors permits to let golf fans park on their front lawns. The permits cost almost $300, but prices per car run as much as $60 a day. And some neighbors are reportedly raking in tens of thousands of dollars.

Mantis Facepalm

pueblonative: Thoguh: Why do these headlines always fail to point out the the kids set up the stand either somewhere where you aren't allowed to sell stuff or in direct competition with vendors who have paid to get a liscense and/or a stall and also have to make sure they can pass health inspections?

Almost every time a "Evil county official shuts down poor kid's lemonade stand" it always turns out to be something like that. I'll save my outrage for another time.

Normally I'd concede if this wasn't also in the article:

What's funny is that the county has given scores of other neighbors permits to let golf fans park on their front lawns. The permits cost almost $300, but prices per car run as much as $60 a day. And some neighbors are reportedly raking in tens of thousands of dollars.

It looks like they could have gotten a permit for their stand for free: Roadside Vendors (new window)

That said, the location they picked wasn't on their property and it was a traffic hazard so they'd probably have been asked to move even with the permit.

If they were raising money for video games, I doubt the newspaper would run a story.

FTA:Carrie Marriott is having a hard time reconciling the two different perspectives on entrepreneurship at the US Open. "The message to kids is, there's no American dream."

No, the message to kids is that overblown rhetoric will set you free (and get you publicity).

2wolves: MoCo isn't what it used to be.

Maybe it's time to head to Tacky Park.

You really want to live somewhere which makes Berkeley, Ca, look like Sugarland, Tx?

mikemoto: ...and of course this is one of the most DEMOCRATIC counties in the nation.

It's also one of the wealthiest and best educated. I see a pattern here.

I will sleep better tonight knowing that the county in which I reside is doing their job.

Screw the feds man!

WhyteRaven74: Because they only complain about government getting in the way of corporations not small business. It's why they piss and moan about corporate taxes but won't think twice about small business legislation. At their core they're just authoritarians who easily substitute big government with big business.

How's your prediction working out?

THEY WERE SELLING PRODUCT AT THE US OPEN WITHOUT A VENDOR LICENSE.

You cannot capitalize on the size of an event like that without paying up the chain to the municipality. Think about the cost to the city of hosting an event like that, indirect or not. They get their bank too.

This wasn't a little stand on the corner on any given day of the week like the subby tried to portray. That would be asinine.

This was a helicopter parent using their kids as a front to skate around permits. "But they're just cute, wide-eyed kids.. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

/NO STORY HERE.

Gulper Eel: PopularFront: It's also one of the wealthiest and best educated. I see a pattern here.

Proximity to a gigantic bloated federal government apparatus is a pattern?

Over half of gov't spending is to the elderly or to defense contractors. What's your point?

if you were so serious about the charity you wouldn't have gotten the $500 fine to begin with, you also would have gotten the necessary permits when asked the first time, you know, so you can continue to sell your product for the cause you're describing.

However, i feel this is a total scam. The lady saw neighbors making bank on parking spots, lady got seriously jealous, bought some lemonade and told her children "we're going to sell lemonade for pediatric cancer!" I doubt shes connected to any real charity, and if asked she'd have no idea who or what charity she was going to give it too. She was going to pocket it all, she just needed an excuse to be out there. Also, not having the permits show this was last minute and hardly planned by any real organization, just some lady blatantly using her children for profit.

Darth_Lukecash: What does Pediatric cancer need with money? I mean it's a cancer, right? Does it take that much money to mutate in a body?

Jewelry is expensive. How else is it going to go from retinoblastoma to retinoblingoma?

I didn't really get a full look at those signs but I didn't see anything about pediatric cancer. Sounds suspiciously like a last minute change to garner sympathy.

FTFH: The kids were raising money for pediatric cancer

Because the cancer needs all the help it can get. Won't somebody please think of the cancer?

How dare you do that? Do you think you live in a free country or something?

WhyteRaven74: Elvis_Bogart: WhyteRaven74:

Because they only complain about government getting in the way of corporations not small business. It's why they piss and moan about corporate taxes but won't think twice about small business legislation. At their core they're just authoritarians who easily substitute big government with big business.

I am conservative....and you are right: A lot of wanna-be conservatives cannot seperate Big Business from Big Govt...nor have no problem when Big Govt helps Big Business. This shut down is from businesses/Chamber of Commerce types who hate competition.

This lemonade stand is a victim of Business Socialism

Why are they raising money for pediatric cancer? It's the easiest cancer to cure!

Just wait 10 years, and it becomes normal cancer.

Problem solved.

Step 1.) Open a hot dog stand next to a baseball stadium on game day
Step 2.) Hire kids to hang around and claim all profits go to charity
Step 3.) Profit!

Those stupid people who get licenses and follow the law are suckers.

WhyteRaven74 2011-06-16 08:32:32 PM
I predict that in this thread most of those if not all of those defending the county will be the same people who whine about government getting in the way of business. As they are every time this subject comes up.

I predict "WhyteRaven74" will come up with some mind numbing and totally incoherent arguments as to why Republicans are somehow to blame for this incident.

basemetal: Then teach your kids about how government works and get them proper licenses and permits. It was at the US open, the kids were gonna make bank anyway.

pretty much THIS.

Gulper Eel: I'm going to go out on a limb here and figure that the county's applications for lemonade stand permits are in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'.

Let's see.

Here's the county's page for permits.

And if you were looking for "lemonade stand", well...okay, there's nothing about lemonade stands on the page. I guess you'd go with...in lovely government jargon...a Special Food Service Facility (Temporary Event) License.

Now, if the kids wanted to raise money for pediatric cancer they would have had to provide the county with their 510(c)(3) letter proving they were a charitable organization.

Also required: what the kids planned to use for a water supply, their waste-water disposal plans (um, drink the lemonade and go take a whiz back home?), blah blah blah....

In boldface on the application it says No food preparation may begin without an operational and properly supplied hand washing station, which makes perfectly good if it's a big Knights of Columbus food stand or something but is ridiculous when applied to a few kids selling lemonade.

Which might not even be the right form. A search of the county's website for "lemonade" came up with:

Selling lemonade does require a license. The license can be obtained through the Department of Health and Human Services, Licensure and Regulatory Office located at: 255 Rockville Pike, Rockville, MD. 20850, 1st Floor. An adult would need to assist a minor in obtaining the license. The specific license that is needed is for food service facility that prepares or sells food on or off the premises. See knowledge base for Food Service Facilities (Restaurants) Licenses and Fees. License can be downloaded, see URL 1, or send a service request to the office if interested in pursuing a license.

Wait, what?

Okay, so maybe this is the right form. Fee schedule:

(D) Non-Profit Charitable Organization: $100.00

Again, that's if the kids can find their 501(c)(3). If not, looks like the fee gets kicked up to $365.

NOW are you seeing what a load of nanny-state bullshiat the county is pulling here? They tell the kids they need a permit and then make it mind-bendingly difficult and costly to actually get the permit.

i wouldn't exactly call that mind-numbingly difficult. The date of the US Open isn't exactly going to change or shift, so they should have given themselves a few months to figure all this out and get the paperwork. Also, if a group is claiming to be giving all their profits to a charity i would check them out for the proper paperwork as well, because you know, they could just be taking advantage of the venue and people's feeling towards the disease. ^*shrugs*

darth_shatner: ..and you need a permit to let people park on your own front lawn?

The county hates the idea of people making that money and them not getting a cut. It is highly unlikely any of that money will get reported as income on any level.

Dr. Nick Riviera: I didn't really get a full look at those signs but I didn't see anything about pediatric cancer. Sounds suspiciously like a last minute change to garner sympathy.

Yeah, I'd like to see a photo of their signs indicating a their charitable cause before the county showed up. Seems unlikely.

darth_shatner: ..and you need a permit to let people park on your own front lawn?

I read that as "need a permit to let people fark on your lawn". I was intrigued, but slightly mystified as to how that related to the story.

/anyone wanna fark on my lawn?

Gulper Eel: Here's the county's page for permits...

If they had set up their stand on their own property rather than by the side of a busy public roadway nobody would have bothered them about permits.

BurnShrike: darth_shatner: ..and you need a permit to let people park on your own front lawn?

I read that as "need a permit to let people fark on your lawn". I was intrigued, but slightly mystified as to how that related to the story.

/anyone wanna fark on my lawn?

Do we need a permit?

Gulper Eel: king applesauce: i wouldn't exactly call that mind-numbingly difficult.

Try explaining it to a kid.

Why? I would hope the parents would gather everything for them and simply let their children have fun and sell the lemonade.

BurnShrike: darth_shatner: ..and you need a permit to let people park on your own front lawn?

I read that as "need a permit to let people fark on your lawn". I was intrigued, but slightly mystified as to how that related to the story.

/anyone wanna fark on my lawn?

Already did. Left you a present too.

I don't often say it, but those are the kind of people that can die in a fire.

WhyteRaven74: I predict that in this thread most of those if not all of those defending the county will be the same people who whine about government getting in the way of business. As they are every time this subject comes up.

Your prediction has come to pass.

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: BurnShrike:
/anyone wanna fark on my lawn?

Do we need a permit?

Apparently permits are only needed for parking. Getting freaky is fine.


JackalRabbit: BurnShrike:
/anyone wanna fark on my lawn?

Already did. Left you a present too.

The video I recorded is present enough. But thanks for the thought.
Also, you might want to have that mole checked by a doctor.

Well, at least the kids learned an important lesson about the how petty people with a tiny bit of power become raging assholes.

darth_shatner: ..and you need a permit to let people park on your own front lawn?

In some areas, yes, but generally you can let people park on your front lawn if you want.

You need a permit if you're going to charge them for it.

This is only a shame because the inspector is too old to wish pediatric cancer on.

/I'll try anyways
//Also, this country is farked
///Not because kids around the country are getting fined and shut down by government
//But because people allow themselves to be trampled by government officials and even more people (looking at the Farkers in this thread) defend their right to do so vehemently
/It's a LEMONADE STAND. Leave the goddamn kids alone.

skinnyartist: Thoguh: Why do these headlines always fail to point out the the kids set up the stand either somewhere where you aren't allowed to sell stuff or in direct competition with vendors who have paid to get a liscense and/or a stall and also have to make sure they can pass health inspections?

Almost every time a "Evil county official shuts down poor kid's lemonade stand" it always turns out to be something like that. I'll save my outrage for another time.

This.

I'm also reminded of the headline that suggested some guy got fined by the evil government simply for paying a bill with pennies. No, he was fined for disorderly conduct because he was being a raving, spastic asshat and dumped a ton of pennies on a counter and demanded some clerk count them.

But back to the topic at hand. Ultimately we have laws and regulations for a reason. Just because you break them in the name of a good cause doesn't make it okay or legal.

And just because there's a law or regulation doesn't make it right, proper, or intelligent.

It's kids with a lemonade stand. Holding them to the same standard as a chain restaurant is asinine.

I don't care if a kid has a lemonade stand in front of their house. They set up in an area to cash in on the US Open, something the county has specifically told people NOT to do because the US Open doesn't what competition with the vendors and business that pay them prime bucks to be part of the US Open. If they really want to setup a lemonade stand at the US Open, talk to them about getting a license.

Oh that's right, the mom doesn't want to have to pay any money so her precious snowflakes can sell lemonade. The had coolers and coolers full of lemonade. They weren't looking to make $50 bucks, they specifically wanted to cash in on the US Open franchise. If they didn't, then why not hold the lemonade stand another weekend? Because they wouldn't have made any money.

The cynic in me says the cancer thing was thrown in as an afterthought to make the county officials look like jackasses. It seems whenever these articles comes up, the kids had the purest intentions of donating every cent to charity.

So moral of the story is, selling lemonade is fine. Selling hundreds of dollars worth of lemonade while not buying the proper licenses to operate the lemonade stand at the US Open therefore competing directly with other business who DID spend the money is not. Lady, you and your spawn go attention whore somewhere else.

Gulper Eel: NOW are you seeing what a load of nanny-state bullshiat the county is pulling here? They tell the kids they need a permit and then make it mind-bendingly difficult and costly to actually get the permit.

Yeah because there was never an issue with poor sanitation or quality resulting in people getting sick from street vendor food prior to licensing and sanitation regulations and permits.

I think it's great that the kids want to raise money to combat pediatric cancer but if they were tryinig to capitalize on the sporting event to sell beverages they need to conform to the law governing food and beverage vending at events.