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2003-08-25 02:14:05 AM  
2003-08-24 09:25:11 PM MucasPlug

I'm a conservative. I'm tired of hearing about the election thing. I haven't mentioned Clinton's conduct in years. And i guess perjory isn't that illegal.


1. it's perjury
2. Perjury isn't that illegal when your savior Reagan and his entire administration do it but when Clinton comes up being questioned about his sexual relationships and lies about it, THROW THE BOOK AT HIM! I guess crimes against the Constitution isn't that illegal. Hypocrisy is the middle name of the GOP
 
2003-08-25 02:17:46 AM  
2003-08-24 10:25:58 PM ZTigerX

The Florida recounts went on longer than Florida election law allowed because the Florida Supreme Court (majority Democratic) bent the laws to allow it. Both sides did everything they could to bend rules and change things to win the election. It's known as Politics.


Bullshiat they tried to bend the laws. The Florida election law, as a fellow farker posted, calls for all votes to be counted, including those which you can clearly see voter intent (such as punching the hole for Gore, then writing in Gore as well, etc)
 
2003-08-25 02:18:32 AM  
Look! A Shrubbery!

Ni, Ni, Ni !
 
2003-08-25 02:21:24 AM  
2003-08-24 09:41:06 PM StarDotStar

Nah. Jimmuh's got the lock on that.


Jimmy Carter, most ignorant President ever? The man has done more good for the country in his post-President years that Bush could ever dream of doing (and he has a lot of time to dream during his many vacations)

I always laugh when people bring up Jimmy Carter and call him a bad President and/or ignorant. The funny thing is, they never have any actual valid reasons.

Oil embargo, hostage crisis, inflation, these were not his fault. I'd like to hear and prove wrong anybodys opinions
 
2003-08-25 02:26:01 AM  
2003-08-24 09:42:16 PM nomad


If BJ clinton would have done the job in the first place, we wouldn't have these problems and deficits.


Actually, Clinton did more to fight terrorism than Bush did pre-9-11. The GOP also blocked many anti-terrorism bills and Bush refused to listen to the CIA and Pentagon report proving Osama was responsible for the Cole and embassy bombings, something Clinton was waiting for to act.

And deficits? You've got to be farking kidding me. Clinton didn't have the country in deficit, he had surpluses! Bush spent said surpluses and created billions more in deficits, I guess hes trying to make Reagans deficit spending look like small-change!


Wanna stay free and secure, vote Bush 2004.


If Bush wins in 04, you will be free and secure. Free from Constitutional laws (everything but the 2nd ammendment of course) and secure from those evil commie liberal bastards. If you mean free and secure from terrorists, then I laugh in your face. Bush has done nothing positive on the war on terror, he even managed to fark up Afghanistan!


Wanna have higher taxes and more social programs, vote for any of the nine idiots currently running.


No matter what idiot wins the next election, higher taxes will definately have to be put through, otherwise the country will collapse on its deficits. Reagan knew this when his administration raised taxes 3 times during his 8 years. Social programs benefit those in need, I know you Republicans think everybody could get a job if they just got off their lazy asses, I mean, Reagan himself stated there were no homeless people! Then he proceeded to kick out vets from the VA hospitals. What a nice guy!
 
2003-08-25 02:26:34 AM  
RealFarknMcCoy2:

I was hoping not to get drawn into the real part of this debate (butter rules!), but that first article in your last post has some serious issues. Quickly reading through it, I noticed that while they cite some things rather well, like the fact that we do use depleted uranium munitions (which is common knowledge), they didn't provide any citation for the UN declaring DU munitions as "weapons of mass destruction".

So I did a quick internet search, and was unable to find anything that substantiates that claim. At most, the UN is studying these munitions to see if they are harmful, because they do release a low level of radiation. So do rocks. How do those levels compare? That's why they're studying the munitions.

This link here:

http://www.unep.no/news/index.cfm?requestedItemId=708

Lists a UN request to study the effects of the DU munitions in Iraq. Not a condemnation of the U.S. for useing them. A study to see if there is any detectable increase in radiation levels around the battlefield.

And lastly, I found a UN report of Kosovo, looking for the same thing:

http://www.iaea.org/worldatom/Press/Focus/DU/finalreport.pdf

And their conclusions?

"1. There was no detectable, widespread contamination of the ground surface by depleted uranium. This means that any widespread contamination is present in such low levels that it cannot be detected or differentiated from the natural uranium concentration found in rocks and soil. The corresponding radiological and toxicological risks are insignificant and even non-existent."

"6. There are probably still penetrators lying on the ground surface. If picked up they could contaminate hands. However, the probable intake into the body is small and both the radiological and toxicological risks are likely to be insignificant.
7. If a penetrator is put into the pocket or elsewhere close to the human body, there will be external beta radiation of the skin. That can lead to local radiation doses above safety standards after some weeks of continuous exposure. Even so, it is unlikely that there will be any adverse health effects from such an exposure."

The only thing even remotely damning about these weapons is this:

"9. It is probable that many penetrators and jackets are hidden at some metres depth in the ground. These penetrators and jackets as well as those on the ground surface, constitute a risk of future DU contamination of groundwater and drinking water. Heavy firing of DU in one area could increase the potential source of uranium contamination of groundwater by a factor of 10 to 100. While the radiation doses will be very low, the resulting uranium concentration might exceed WHO health standards for drinking water."

Which would be bad, but they basically say that they aren't sure, and more studies are needed. Still a FAR cry from DU shells being "illegal weapons of mass destruction" as quoted in the article.

So, while I think there's plenty of reasons to condem the U.S. for invading Iraq, this is clearly not one of them.
 
2003-08-25 02:40:59 AM  
When the US is prepared to demolish buildings using munitions made with large amounts of DU then build over the top of the sites with new housing, I'll stop objecting to them using DU in other countries.

You think it's likely ?

Don't go farking up other peoples lands in ways you wouldn't be willing to stomach at home. That's the point.
 
2003-08-25 02:44:25 AM  
man, some tamales would be great right now . . . those big ones with pineapple that are steamed in banana leaves . . . with cream . . . oh yum.
 
2003-08-25 03:01:16 AM  
Bush is a moron. Besides Tony Blair, the whole rest of the world outside of the U.S. has come to realize this. He is a total idiot and to tell the truth, I think most of the western world just waits for his next moronic statement to hit the airwaves just for a good laugh. The latest one (regarding the California recall election): "It's fascinating to see who's in and who's out," Bush
said. "You know, I'm a follower of American politics."

REALLY??? wow who woulda guessed?

But all Bush-bashing aside, none of it matters. He is an idiot in a three-piece suit (or a flight-suit depending on the occasion). He's riding on an ego-trip of power, while the administration that was picked out for him completely demolishes not only the United States, but every other country that has worked hard for democracy in the past couple hundred years. That anyone can defend this man and call him a Great President is just beyond comprehension for those of us that actually have access to information not fed by the US government.

I'm glad I could post this early in the thread :)
 
2003-08-25 03:12:59 AM  
im from norway, and what Jill Billy says, pretty much sums up what me and about everyone I know think about bush.
 
2003-08-25 03:17:56 AM  
Tad3tte: I like butter. Margarine is hydrogenated, which sucks.

I agree.
 
2003-08-25 03:22:59 AM  
Noooo NOOOOO GEAH you take that back NOW !

Let's not spoil a perfect record.
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.
.
I agreed with GEAH. *whimpers and rocks*
 
2003-08-25 03:37:49 AM  
"Americans have different ways of saying things. They say 'elevator', we say 'lift'...they say 'President', we say 'stupid psychopathic git'...." - Alexi Sayle
 
2003-08-25 03:40:32 AM  
DV8R Unfortunately there is a huge contingent of American citizens who refuse (or just don't care enough) to question why most of the western world is questioning US policy. The die-hard Bush fans just think we are all commie pinko hippies who love the Saddams and Bin Ladens of the world. There is even a guy up early in the thread talking about how great Afghanistan is now, everyone is free and happy and the women are driving and going to school. Unbelievable.

Here are my thoughts on Iraq, which I would get awfully flamed for if anyone actually was still posting here:

Saddam was ruthless and awful, there is no doubt of that. Saddam ruled a country surrounded by religious-based islamic countries that suppressed equality. Iraq offered education and employment to all its citizens, regardless of sex or religion. In order to do that, Saddam apparently put a few people in meat grinders. OK that is bad. Mr Bush has put a few low-intelligence black people through meat grinders too, in the form of "state-supported" executions. His state has seen people dragged from the back of pick-up trucks - hog-tied and helpless, but black and therefore not worth worrying about.

Iraq was the closest thing we will every see to a secular middle-east country, and the Bush administration has put an end to that. Even the warhawks are now admitting that Iraq is a hellhole and offers a clear invitation to all terrorist factions. The troops will continue to guard the pipelines for the next ten years, while Iraq degenerates into another Afghanistan. Thank you Mr. Bush! (Not that you have a clue)
 
2003-08-25 03:42:01 AM  
Is that the first Bush or Second?
 
2003-08-25 03:54:34 AM  
I wanted to type: "Is there a difference?". But reconsidered.

It's Second. The first Bush put all this in motion and you gotta give him credit for the intelligence of it. He even set up his offspring for the next wave. But Bush II just takes the cake for stupidity. The man's brain has taken a turn somewhere along the line. They keep telling him that he's the guy on top, and he is such a farking moron that he believes it.

Bring em On!! flight suit. Pretzel burns. Moron
 
2003-08-25 03:57:47 AM  
Jill Billy

Actually, Iran was a secular democracy, but we didn't have a good enough deal with them for all the oil. The solution? Overthrow the government, put in a theocracy friendly to us. Anyone not believe me? Read the book. Unfortunately, they weren't very popular with the Iranians, so we (and they) got an even worse nightmare. However, the Iranian people seem to be on the path back to democracy.

That wasn't possible for the Iraqis. I think you understate just how "bad" Saddam Hussein really was.

But I think the way Bush II handled the situation was lousy to say the least. Not a statement came out of that administration regarding Iraq that didn't make me want to slap my forehead. Except Powell, but the voice of reason has been drowned out over there (so he's resigning). I'm still trying to be optimistic about what we can do over there, since we're in it. But it's getting harder.

As far as the Bush presidency- he is the most powerful president in the history of the nation. He has grabbed more power for the executive branch than any other president IMO. And the loonies in his cabinet want more.

 
2003-08-25 03:57:58 AM  
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives. A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy or perhaps both."
- James Madison (Fourth President of the United States)
 
2003-08-25 04:03:35 AM  
George W. Bush is the Warren G. Harding of the 21st Century.

I'm sure most FARKers are saying "Warren G. WHO?"
 
2003-08-25 04:24:03 AM  
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2003-08-25 04:26:22 AM  
hang on a minute... do some people think that Dubya was being completely benevolent and sending troops to Iraq for the sole benefit of the Iraqi people? that there was not some vested interest for the US economy/his mates in the business?

good lord.
 
2003-08-25 04:37:00 AM  
My vote is for butter.
 
2003-08-25 04:57:33 AM  
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2003-08-25 05:55:14 AM  
Bush or someone else...

It's just a leg for everyone to piss on.

/returning the favor
 
2003-08-25 06:00:20 AM  
ficus in (what year is the vote?)
 
2003-08-25 06:24:00 AM  
As President, George Bush Jr. is the poorest statesman in the history of the office.

Proof? Sure.

George Bush Jr. failed to obtain Canada's support in his fight with Iraq.

Understand; we Canadians know our place in the World & the importance of our relationship with the United States. We will, and have in the past gone out of our way to support the United States in whatever stand you've required of us.

That George Bush Jr. lacks the diplomatic skill to secure our support against Iraq is mind boggling.

Should the United States government ask us nicely, we Canadians will grease up, bend over and spread 'em. Willingly, with a smile.

Christ, Dubya couldn't even think to bribe us...
 
2003-08-25 06:42:25 AM  
I would like to agree with GEAH and Tadlette that I too like butter. Thank you :)
 
2003-08-25 06:55:50 AM  
I wish we could just keep Bush for his endless stream of amusing quotes, but sack and replace his administration for one that isn't intent on world domination. A random selection of quotes from Dubyaspeak.com:

Listen, we'll answer two questions a side, alternating. Please address -- so don't -- one of these things where you ask me and ask the Prime Minister, or vice versa. Let's just ask one question to one of us as we rotate back and forth, if you don't mind.
-- Doing a bang-up job of orchestrating the joint press conference with Japanese PM Koizumi, Crawford, Texas, May 23, 2003

We've got a year-and-a-while during my first term to make the world a more peaceful place and we'll deal with it. Washington loves speculation. Clearly, you love speculation. You love it. You love to speculate about... Let me finish, please, let me finish. You love to speculate about whether so-and-so is going to be a part of the administration or not. And I understand the game. But I have got to do my job, and I'm going to do it. And I'm going to do it with the Secretary of State.
-- Starts off testy, and ends sexually ambiguous,Crawford, Texas, Aug. 6, 2003

I said you were a man of peace. I want you to know I took immense crap for that.
-- Dubya really classing up his conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, as reported on Jun. 3, 2003 in the Washington Post and elsewhere

I'm the master of low expectations.
-- You said it, Dubya, aboard Air Force One, Jun. 4, 2003

If I answer questions every time you ask one, expectations would be high. And as you know, I like to keep expectations low.
-- Well, at least he's honest, I guess, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2002

DUBYA: I'll answer some questions.
REPORTER: I have one question for President Bush, and a second question for President Havel. President Bush, you have said some lofty words here. The Czech Republic...
DUBYA: I said some what?
REPORTER: Lofty words.
DUBYA: No one has ever accused me of being a poet before, but thank you.
-- Nobody's accusing you of being a poet here, either, Dubya, Prague, Czech Republic, Nov. 20, 2002

There are a couple of cows waiting for me. You know, when I first got back from Washington, it seemed like the cows were talking back. But now that I've spent some time in Crawford, they're just cows.
-- Revealing disturbing facts about his brain chemistry in Town Hall Forum on Economy, Ontario, California, Jan. 5, 2002

You're the kind of guy I like to have in a foxhole with me.
-- Interesting comment made to Russian President Putin, White House, Nov. 13, 2001

I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe - I believe what I believe is right.
-- A believing Dubya showing belief in his beliefs, Rome, July 22, 2001

It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency.
-- Shockingly candid assessment of what he didn't bring to the table in the 2000 election made to Swedish Prime Minister Goran Persson, Gothenberg, Sweden, June 14, 2001
 
2003-08-25 06:59:38 AM  
The '04 election reminds me most of 1972 and 1984. Weak, left of center Democrat candidate against a generally popular, but unevenly performing Republican. public opinion polls showing support in the mid-high 50's, translating into election day landslides.

It's a long time to 11/04, but that's the way it is shaping up.
 
2003-08-25 07:03:53 AM  
OK, I read the whole thing, and here goes:

-butter
-boxers
-syrup
-cake
-krispy kreme original glaze
-98328
-apple pie
-mayo
-ketchup
-Jenny McCarthy

...oh yeah, and I will spill the blood of any infidel who dare contradict me.
 
2003-08-25 07:07:06 AM  
Wait...one more thing....

I met a Sorge
 
2003-08-25 07:19:00 AM  
2008 = Powell v. Clinton. That's going to be a whole lot better either way.
 
2003-08-25 07:47:06 AM  
*takes deep breath*

In no particular order:

* Bush is doing an excellent impression of Big Brother (We
shall prevail, etc.)

* Butter. Margarine tastes like soap.

* Boysenberry. Because it sounds funny.

* With syrup. Unless they're buttermilk, then they're good
plain, or with butter.

* T3# $uX0r.

* I listen to/like Scooter. People tell me they're crappy.


* It goes without saying that disarming a nuke is probably
better that shooting at it.

* Democrats, Republicans, is no difference.

* It is quite good, but, like whole milk, only in
moderation. America has enough fat people.

* bogey is very clever.

* Miracle Whip.

* I like mayo on french fries, ketchup on fried shrimp, and
marinara on fried cheese sticks. Oh, and ranch dressing
goes good with celery sticks and baby carrots.

* Hans Blix ranks right up there with Helmut Kse on my list
of "famous people and/or political figures with funny
names"

* Apple invented the personal computer (Apple II,
Macintosh), the laptop/notebook computer (Macintosh
Portable, PowerBook), and the handheld (palm) computer
(Newton). They did not invent cellular phones or MP3
players (although they make what I believe to be the
Rolls-Royce of the bunch (iPod)). They did not design the
original Graphical User Interface; Xerox-PARC did that,
but keep in mind that Xerox's machine was the size of a
desk and weighed nearly a ton, and Xerox had no plans for
it beyond the prototype. Apple's latest commercials
continue to blow goats.

* I thought most people who play it to any extent spelled it
"Countar-Streik." Or maybe I've been reading JeffK for too
long.

* Tokarev designed the AK-47. 'Nuff said.

* The reason 49% was a majority is because more than two
percent were "undecided," meaning that while 49% is less
than half the total, it is higher than the percentage
that would re-elect.

* Bunnies are cute. And they go great with barbecue sauce.


Yep, I think that about covers it.
*strolls back to main page*
"Ooh, Bugatti supercar..."
 
2003-08-25 09:11:47 AM  
Politics aside, my only problem with Bush is the way he speaks. When he adds on that lame texas drawl he make the Nation like a bunch of dumbass rednecks.
 
2003-08-25 09:15:36 AM  
We can have this stupid discussion on any Yahoo! message board.
Doesn't matter what story the board is attached to, just go there, and the discussion always devolves into a Dem v Repub//Lib v Conservative flamewar....

Take the Highroad, Fark.
 
2003-08-25 09:40:04 AM  
I agree with binnster. He is entertaining, but I just think the leader of country should have a little more __________. Fill in blank
 
2003-08-25 09:52:36 AM  
I don't know about you, but I can't wait to get this!
http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/2431939/ctid/17?_ts=y&ls=toys&_e=3f4 a1&_v=3F4A139FGbocaA009CEA9191&_ts=y
 
2003-08-25 10:04:25 AM  
Long dead thread, but let's see how this goes over:
I went to the Falls Church Howard Dean rally on Saturday. Lots of drivel and pleas for money (like any political rally), but one excellent quote from Dean:

If you want to be tough on defense, you're going to have to do better than a foreign policy based on petulance

I think Shrub sucks big time domestically, too, but that sound byte sums up everything that is wrong with Shrub's worldview.
 
2003-08-25 10:46:28 AM  
http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/graphics/SaveCA_400.gif
 
2003-08-25 10:52:08 AM  
Impeach Bush.
 
2003-08-25 11:25:30 AM  
I would just like to say- butter.
 
2003-08-25 11:29:10 AM  
mmm... peach butter....
 
2003-08-25 11:31:37 AM  
In the name of moderation between butter and margarine, I cast my vote for the third-party candidate:
[image from landolakes.com too old to be available]

Land O' Lakes Butter with Canola Oil.

The flavor of butter, the spreadability of tub margarine, with no trans-fatty acids and less overall fat than butter itself.

I know, by going 3rd party I'm probably wasting my vote.
 
2003-08-25 11:35:54 AM  
Only one thing needs to be said.

He hired Poindexter.

Actions speak louder than words.
The word here is CORRUPT!
 
2003-08-25 11:39:05 AM  
2003-08-24 11:19:51 PM Tad3tte
bellefromhell

Iraq had all sorts of bad things... He "says" he got rid of them... The U.N. tried to find out but never got far. U.S. came in and is tryi8ng to get the job done.

The US 'came' in is the most offensive euphemism I believe I've seen yet.

Substitute 'came' for 'invaded the country killing tens of thousands of people, overthrew the government and are currently selling everything off to foreign investors' and you'll be seen as rather more honest.


Tad3tte, you should have watched The History Channel last week - they were running a lot of clips of beatings and other forms of torture in Iraq under Saddam and his sons, showed the mass grave sites, and so on. To not support the removal of Hussein is to support a very cruel and merciless tyranny strife with various kinds of human torture that we here in America are totally unfamiliar with - in fact we are so unfamiliar with true suffering that we don't treasure our constitutional rights the way we should, therefore we see the erosion of our first, second, and fourth amendment rights "for the good of the children."

Uy. You really ought to look at what was going on in Iraq before you make such statements - examine the evidence, and you will come to the conclusion that if you really love all people, including the Iraqis, Saddam had to be removed, whether he still had WMD or not. Saddam had a severe Nebuchadnezzar complex and believed that Babylon was going to become a world empire again.
 
Bf+
2003-08-25 12:16:52 PM  
Kimvette:

Who doesn't support the removal of Hussein?

I suspect you're talking about the people who didn't support the "illegal war" method.
 
2003-08-25 12:53:02 PM  
I believe that if I am conservative enough then chicks like Anne Coulter will not only date me... but they will automatically start giving me head publically when I walk into a room. The trick is that you can never hate liberals enough. The other trick is to want to ruin the economy -to make it better for the ultra-rich. (Hey it works for Mexico.)
 
2003-08-25 01:07:54 PM  

I'm so happy lonecrow sets the moral standards of
this continent.



In other news, I saw Howard Dean in Falls Church, VA.
He will trash boosh without a problem. Unfortunately,
George Will will still be employed.

 
2003-08-25 01:12:35 PM  
Tad3tte,
Saddam was bad - but he's just one in a long list of bad guys that need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are. Are you suggesting we need to invade and take over EVERY country run by third world dictators who murder and torture? Or maybe only the ones that profit the president's friends and campaign donors?
 
2003-08-25 01:28:11 PM  
2003-08-25 02:14:05 AM Big Al
2003-08-24 09:25:11 PM MucasPlug

I'm a conservative. I'm tired of hearing about the election thing. I haven't mentioned Clinton's conduct in years. And i guess perjory isn't that illegal.

1. it's perjury
2. Perjury isn't that illegal when your savior Reagan and his entire administration do it but when Clinton comes up being questioned about his sexual relationships and lies about it, THROW THE BOOK AT HIM! I guess crimes against the Constitution isn't that illegal. Hypocrisy is the middle name of the GOP


1. it's aren't that illegal
2. Don't correct a person's spelling and/or grammar when you are often just as guilty.
 
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