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(AL.com)   Alabama man wants to reclaim the 40 beer kegs stolen from his small brewery after he tracks down thieves and presents their driver's licenses, tags and addresses to police. Police response, *crickets*   (blog.al.com) divider line 271
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2011-06-12 10:32:29 PM
the way things are going with the police the only way we as a country are going to be able to survive soon is swift quick vigilante justice.

You steal from me -- I find you and kill you. It REALLY is that simple.

Or - why not just pass a law that says if you are found with stolen property we kill YOU. No exceptions. This would effectively dry up the market for stolen goods. How many people would want to buy a laptop off the street knowing it's stolen and knowing that if you are caught you will be put down.
 
2011-06-12 10:33:13 PM
t2.gstatic.com

There's no revenue in recovering stolen goods or pestering hard working white trash criminals.
 
2011-06-12 10:33:45 PM

SilentStrider: 2wolves: SilentStrider: Call 911 anonymously, tell them he heard gunshots coming from the area where is kegs are being kept.

With a mass grave?

nah, you just want attention, not media panic.


Then go with fire. Just start a tiny brushfire, call it in, and get your shiat back when the FD figures out it's all stolen.
 
2011-06-12 10:35:35 PM

CruiserTwelve: ... I doubt stolen beer kegs are the most important issue in Birmingham, Alabama right now.


Not when they be climbin' in yo windows, snatchin' yo people up.
www.celebrific.com

/Incidentally, the "bed intruder" was still out there, last time I heard.
 
2011-06-12 10:35:48 PM
BalugaJoe: Everything is legal in Alabama.
I have found this to be true as long as you don't get caught!

Mmmm. Beeer...
 
2011-06-12 10:40:14 PM

evaned: independently verifying the evidence


You mean like in domestic violence calls? Oh, right, they don't do it there. How about drug raids from informant tips? No, they don't do it there, either. But I guess in property crime, they do....
 
2011-06-12 10:43:46 PM

Five Tails of Fury: I'd suspect the cases you're referring to there are probably things like murder and major felonies owning plants, not some stolen kegs.


FTFY.
 
2011-06-12 10:45:51 PM
I'm a home brewer, and have used kegs for kettles for almost 7 years. All of mine (except one I inherited pre-cut) are out of country kegs that would never be returned to the brewery. Most are Guinness kegs, but I have a few random others. Kegs in Ontario are all Brewers Retail (our Beer Store).

/Slowly switching to 27 gallon SS pots, but they are damn expensive.
 
2011-06-12 10:47:09 PM

OlderGuy: McGrits: Cerebral Knievel: Just read the article and BURN THE THIEVES!!!!


As stated several times before.. I'm a craft brewer by trade my self.

-snip-

In short, Buy the beer, pay your deposit, drink the beer, and then get your deposit back.

It is good that you make beer. I hope it is good. However it sounds like your accountants need to readress the deposit amount. If you are not making money, then you are doing it wrong, no matter the goodness of the brew.



pic is as hot as the brew is cold

This thread is loaded with folks that DRTFA.. kinda hard to charge deposits on kegs that were stolen at night when no-one was there... your reading skills suck...


Oh Hi Olderguy!

Mcgrits, The deposit amount is usually determined by the market, and the local regulations. and its not ONLY MY breweries problem, the problem is across the board.
this isnt an issue of the quality of the beer. it's an issue of infrastructure. cooperage is a major captial investment, but you cant charge such a high deposit rate for your hardware that you turn people off to your product, but at the same time the deposit there is there to mitigate loss on the consumer level.

in the case of the start up brewery in the article. The man was straight up out of the deposits, because the tin miners went right in there out of their way to rip the guy off directly. it was really no different then someone stealing all the wiring and plumbing out of a house under new construction, or a derelict building.
My entire statement was about what happened to us, what we did about it, and what our continuing problems are.
Our accounts are very good, and we are making money, good money, and most of it goes right back into further expanding the brewery to keep that ball rolling.. and its rolling pretty fast now.
 
2011-06-12 10:49:48 PM

Occam's Nailfile: To be fair, the family pets of those unarmed marijuana suspectsinnocent people at the wrong address just aren't going to shoot themselves. Cops have a tough job.


I do know some good cops. Our sheriff deputies are really good at what they do. Our city police are hit and miss and some of them are just plain douchebags. One of them is known to have an underage girlfriend whom he takes into bars all the time. He is a favored son of a founding family, and nobody in a position to do anything does anything.

Dirty cops are out there, a lot of cops are burned out, a lot of cops are lazy, a few are exceptional at what they do and are usually smart enought to get themselves into jobs that take them away from the other two types of cops.

The BS arguments for not making cops where cameras and microphones on their persons are just that, BS. It is slackjawed thinking that thinly veils the truth that they don't want to be accountable. I can watch my reperesentatives do their jobs. Why can't I watch the people that my tax dollars arm and put in a position of authority over me? "It will hinder them doing their job." Absolute crap is what that is.
 
2011-06-12 11:01:32 PM

CruiserTwelve: Two days? Two whole farking days? You're criticising the cops because they didn't make an arrest with two whole days to work the case, one of them on a weekend when the detectives probably aren't working? It's a property crime, the evidence is secure, the crooks aren't going anywhere, but you're critical of the cops for not dropping everything and jumping on this case?


I can understand the frustration. I had IP addresses, photos, email addresses, real names, license plate numbers, photos of the suspects (including some with guns not legal in California, and substances not legal in California), and I had to get the FBI and California Highway Patrol involved before the local police understood that some stolen computers with proprietary software with this much info being handed to them was worth pursuing.

Hell, the Portland and Vancouver cops did a nice job of claiming my car was found in Oregon rather than taken across state lines. Apparently stolen cars found across state lines with blood covering the interior and stolen car parts littering the trunk and interior means lying on paperwork is easy, even when the car was identified and reported to its owner (me) in Washington State, and towed by a tow company only licensed to operate in Washington State. Somehow the paperwork the police filled out said it was filled in a bad neighborhood of Portland instead. I'd love to know the followup of the FBI's look into that one.

But yeah, I'm sure these local cops are tripping over themselves to bother catching people, even if the case is handed to them. Especially southern cops. They have a great track record of being upstanding LEO's.
 
2011-06-12 11:04:28 PM

Enemabag Jones: Can I ask a question about CruiserTwelve.

Some of his responses feel shill like. Is this guy for real and not a straw man to burn down? Why does a cop who is clearly not a civilan bother explaining himself on fark? There are pleny of cop forums where can get responses that he knows he is right.

He just leaves a lame responses and then lets himself get hacked to death, you think he would learn by now.

/Now sure if he is just a fark rodeo clown.


I do know that C12 occasionally likes to bait the cop trolls, usually with a statement so sarcastically extreme and out of left field that only rabid cop haters will believe it. Everyone has bad days. His legit positions range from fair to slightly defensive, like today's. Sometimes he even calls out a cop's actions as clearly wrong, which cop haters twist into an affirmation of their acts, so I don't blame his trolling. When a thread isn't a thick miasma of hate, he will contribute an interesting perspective, even if it's not always credible from my end.
 
2011-06-12 11:08:50 PM
Should've told the cops there's fresh donut-flavored micro-brew in them.
 
2011-06-12 11:20:30 PM

foxyshadis: Enemabag Jones: Can I ask a question about CruiserTwelve.

Some of his responses feel shill like. Is this guy for real and not a straw man to burn down? Why does a cop who is clearly not a civilan bother explaining himself on fark? There are pleny of cop forums where can get responses that he knows he is right.

He just leaves a lame responses and then lets himself get hacked to death, you think he would learn by now.

/Now sure if he is just a fark rodeo clown.

I do know that C12 occasionally likes to bait the cop trolls, usually with a statement so sarcastically extreme and out of left field that only rabid cop haters will believe it. Everyone has bad days. His legit positions range from fair to slightly defensive, like today's. Sometimes he even calls out a cop's actions as clearly wrong, which cop haters twist into an affirmation of their acts, so I don't blame his trolling. When a thread isn't a thick miasma of hate, he will contribute an interesting perspective, even if it's not always credible from my end.


No, he just sucks, massively.
 
2011-06-12 11:28:44 PM
That's not what the article says you Farkin' douchebags! Subby + FARK fail. AGAIN!!!!!! "Hey, guess what I just read on FARK!" (face palm)
 
2011-06-12 11:30:23 PM
I look at the story and see an incomplete story line. So I will do the intelligent thing and go ahead an say that POLICE BLOW!
Whoo hoo, I feel so much better about myself.
 
2011-06-12 11:32:23 PM

trappedspirit: I look at the story and see an incomplete story line. So I will do the intelligent thing and go ahead an say that POLICE BLOW!
Whoo hoo, I feel so much better about myself.


You got it. You're gonna do all right here on Fark, you know that?
 
2011-06-12 11:35:39 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: trappedspirit: I look at the story and see an incomplete story line. So I will do the intelligent thing and go ahead an say that POLICE BLOW!
Whoo hoo, I feel so much better about myself.

You got it. You're gonna do all right here on Fark, you know that?


To be fair, I think it's reasonable to assume that a given number of law enforcement officers do, factually, blow.
 
2011-06-12 11:35:58 PM

Kwai Lo: I'm a home brewer, and have used kegs for kettles for almost 7 years. All of mine (except one I inherited pre-cut) are out of country kegs that would never be returned to the brewery. Most are Guinness kegs, but I have a few random others. Kegs in Ontario are all Brewers Retail (our Beer Store).

/Slowly switching to 27 gallon SS pots, but they are damn expensive.


naw, they do go back eventually. You return them to the retailer, the retailer returns them to the distributer, who in return returns them to the importer, who then returns them to the exporter, who then returns them to the brewery. it make six months to a year for it to happen, but they do go back.

But, for that reason, is why folks, including my own brewery, have been experimenting with food grade ABS plastic kegs. they are cheaper to produce and weigh considerably less than the standard stainless steel kegs.
I like them actually. when yer humping 150 kegs by hand on a production day, you'd be amazed at the what a difference it makes when the product outweighs the container by a far margin.
But while those kegs are cheap enough to be almost considered "disposable" they are very prone to failure, and the initial shipment had a 10% failure rate, brand new off the truck.
But, they were fully warrantied by the manufacturer, who sent a rep to inspect the claim, and replaced them..
as for your Guinness kegs? Most Guinness on the North American eastern coast is produced under contract in Canada and Pennsylvania.
Guinness is as much a macro brew as Bud light and its brewed all over the world in hundreds of giant breweries, thousands of barrels at a time. One production batch of Guinness is usually 2 to 5,000 bbls at any one of these facilities.

if it makes you feel any better, the cost of those cut up Guinness kegs you've been using is usually much less of a cost shock than the little micro guy down the road, but that loss is still a part of their bottom line.

those kegs, unless they have been released by the brewery as scrap, and they wont be until they are completely non reparable, are still owned by the brewery that bought them in the first place. if you bought a keg of beer from a retailer and figured "they'll never see this keg again anyways!" and turn it into a cooking pot, you ARE part of the problem.
 
2011-06-12 11:37:31 PM

evaned: Is physical, non-circumstantial evidence too much to ask?


It apparently is if you're asking the police for it.
 
2011-06-12 11:50:35 PM
Yes, the cops there are way too busy to respond to this kind of theft promptly.

Isn't Alabama the state that recently outlawed sex toys?
 
2011-06-12 11:53:51 PM

Cerebral Knievel: if it makes you feel any better, the cost of those cut up Guinness kegs you've been using is usually much less of a cost shock than the little micro guy down the road, but that loss is still a part of their bottom line.


Has anybody ever wondered just how far the GDP would go through the roof if absolutely nobody did anything illegal or unethical for one year?
 
2011-06-13 12:07:13 AM

bunner: Cerebral Knievel: if it makes you feel any better, the cost of those cut up Guinness kegs you've been using is usually much less of a cost shock than the little micro guy down the road, but that loss is still a part of their bottom line.

Has anybody ever wondered just how far the GDP would go through the roof if absolutely nobody did anything illegal or unethical for one year?


I think you mean the floor. The GDP is dependent upon illegal, unethical behavior.
 
2011-06-13 12:16:14 AM
The reason the cops don't investigate these kind of crimes is they assume you have insurance and that getting an insurance payout will be more lucrative and time productive than to go find your shiat.

See 5 cops times 1000 hours at $40 per hour (that's how long they think it will take)... versus the insurance payout. It's declared the insurance is a better bargain.
 
2011-06-13 12:28:49 AM

It's_A_Farking_Secret: The reason the cops don't investigate these kind of crimes is they assume you have insurance and that getting an insurance payout will be more lucrative and time productive than to go find your shiat.

See 5 cops times 1000 hours at $40 per hour (that's how long they think it will take)... versus the insurance payout. It's declared the insurance is a better bargain.


Sounds like we should fire more cops and hire more insurance adjusters.
 
2011-06-13 12:28:49 AM

sexy-fetus: kendelrio: sexy-fetus: I had a shed broken into and caught the guys in the act of loading my shiat into their car. Me and a friend made them sit while the cops came.
In the end I was told they couldn't search the car for my stolen tools and they had to let them go.
That was the last time I ever called the police.
I'm sure they would have been able to impound the car and haul them away overnight if they smelled weed.

I remember the last time you CSB'd us with this.

Pisses me off every time I hear it.

/fark lazy cops
//fark dirty cops
///fark copologists
////farking slashes!

Oops I try not to repeat myself, but there's so many appropriate threads for it.


After catching them like that, they would have all met several of the tools up close and personal.... THEN I would have called the cops, and said, "Some guys just broke in to my shed, and it sounds like they dumped a toolbox on themselves.. They're pretty beat up.. Send an ambulance too.."

/Might even throw a 1/4 of shake in their car just for kicks.. "They smell stoned....."
 
2011-06-13 12:38:49 AM

OlderGuy: McGrits: Cerebral Knievel: Just read the article and BURN THE THIEVES!!!!


As stated several times before.. I'm a craft brewer by trade my self.

-snip-

In short, Buy the beer, pay your deposit, drink the beer, and then get your deposit back.

It is good that you make beer. I hope it is good. However it sounds like your accountants need to readress the deposit amount. If you are not making money, then you are doing it wrong, no matter the goodness of the brew.



pic is as hot as the brew is cold

This thread is loaded with folks that DRTFA.. kinda hard to charge deposits on kegs that were stolen at night when no-one was there... your reading skills suck...


Reading v. Comprehension
 
2011-06-13 12:50:21 AM
Serious question about deposites:

I know the idea behind deposites. Pay x amount if dollars and return my shiat or you don't get your money back.

How is it considered stealing if I decide to keep what I paid the deposit on?

When you tell me a deposit cost, aren't you basically telling me "this is how much it will cost you to buy this"?

Like I said, serious question, not trolling.
 
2011-06-13 12:55:51 AM
As good a place as any...

Lately, I've been reading the total cop dick suck that Cruiser Twelve has demonstrated on multiple threads. I can't remain silent on this any longer.

Cruiser Twelve excuses cops if they over-react: raids on wrong addresses, shooting innocent home owners defending their property against same when the cops fail to properly ID themselves, arresting stone cold sober drivers for DUI when they have mitigating medical conditions, et al.

Cruiser Twelve excuses cops when they under-react: not bothering to investigate thefts/burglaries, not acting fast enough on thefts when the investigation and evidence is dropped in their farking laps, et al.

IOW, cops can do no gaaadam wrong, in his book.

Well, fark that. I, my family and friends have been screwed over by this shiat enough that, from now on, I'm going after this asshole every time I see him pulling this crap with prime examples of the other side.

Just remember, folks, creeps like this flourish when not confronted. Step up, too.
 
2011-06-13 01:04:30 AM

Cerebral Knievel: Mcgrits, The deposit amount is usually determined by the market, and the local regulations. and its not ONLY MY breweries problem, the problem is across the board.


Really? The law says the deposit must be X? I think this is the root of your problem, because, well, that's just stupid.

People are going to erroneously believe the amount of the deposit is equal to the value of the cask, like the old-fashioned glass coke bottles before them. That's why they make furniture/beer cans/distilleries out of them; they think they're bought and paid for. If the deposit is much much less than the casks' value, I can see how this would be a major sink for you, with the constant float on them.

As a near-term solution, perhaps a little advertising of this fact might be in order. Just a little message on the side: 'it really helps us when you return casks on time, so we can put more in them. Having no casks to put our stuff in makes us sad.' Something moderately cheesy. Maybe a sticker. This itself could lower float by a significant amount. "Please be kind;rewind" stickers raised rewind rates, and in general usually gets significant compliance, once people realize that life does not revolve around them. Psychology is weird.

As a longer-term solution, I would suggest getting with the other producers of cask-based beverages and writing to whomever set that law and asking them to repeal it; (I don't know how far up it was set. (Municipality? County? State?) especially right now with the whole 'jobs jobs jobs' push, if they're getting requests from an entire industry, they'll pay attention) but unless you're in backwoods Utah, Pennsylvania, or some other wannabe-prohibition county, if you get enough signatures, you CAN do something about it. And here on fark at least, we're really all about the alcohol, so you'd have no shortage of signers, similar to the rest of your customers :)

It sounds as if this is creating a significant problem for business, and it really shouldn't, because the deposit should legitimately be closer to the true cost of the object. Value really shouldn't "leak" in this manner.
 
2011-06-13 01:05:08 AM
Cerebral Knievel
Make Whiskey, you use the barrel once then sell it to somebody else :)
 
2011-06-13 01:08:03 AM

kendelrio: When you tell me a deposit cost, aren't you basically telling me "this is how much it will cost you to buy this"?


Not if it's a damage deposit... that just covers possible damage, not ownership.
 
2011-06-13 01:08:39 AM

untaken_name: Sounds like we should fire more cops and hire more insurance adjusters.


This just might be crazy enough to work. The latter will spend much more time trying to eliminate costly payouts.

And if it isn't cost-effective for them to investigate, they'll just give you the money you lost. Then thievery itself will become a near-legitimate business. After all, your actions are still pumping money into the economy.
 
2011-06-13 01:14:58 AM

Aulus: Just remember, folks, creeps like this flourish when not confronted. Step up, too.


While I don't disagree with any of this concept of good police work, I'd thought Fark has a policy of "don't feed the trolls". If indeed, someone is trolling, wouldn't the last thing be to constantly reply to them? I just pop confirmed thread shiatters on my ignore list. If nothing else, it's better for my blood pressure.

And just to preemptively respond, no I don't do this with everyone I disagree with; usually I ignore only those people who come right out and say they're only saying these things to tee people off. I really have better things to do with my time than debate something they don't believe anyway.

And in certain rare cases, two people just aren't right for each other. They are simply naturally perpendicular.
 
2011-06-13 01:51:53 AM
Driver's Licence, licence plate and description is ONLY good for giving tickets and making money off citizens... not HELPING citizens... you silly businessman.

Had a van stripped - dash destroyed, amps, speakers, subs.. was a custom WheelMaster and had the Oak Trim kit (not the sticker crap either) and broke some of that, as well... pried and tore off rear window.. perfectly viewable fingerprints on rear window where they grabbed it to pull it off, so clean they could have taken a pic with a good camera and skipped 'dusting'.... no, they don't care. However, when a local school was broken into and ransacked... they fingerprinted the whole school... uhmmm, for??? Considering the amount of traffic in and out of there daily, fingerprints would only lead to 1001 suspects.
 
2011-06-13 02:18:02 AM
Brother's van robbed. Stole a 1,600.00 synth, so I gave him my same model one so he could keep working.

Same socksuckers, same MO, broke into my van. Stole a compressor and paint gun. First cops "huh". Second cop "yeah, you shouldn't have a business sign on your van."

Fingerprints? Tons, I'm sure. Fingerprinting costs money, though. Probably about 489,502,870,348,957.89 each. At any rate, they don't use them for stuff like this because they don't pursue crack heads, B&E artists, thugs and burglars. They don't look for stolen property and don't care.

As a matter of fact, if you are desperately in need of cash, I can tell you that if you can successfully break into somebody's car, van, truck or home and steal valuable items without getting caught red handed or your ass blown to the next life by the person who lives there, you can pretty much sell their sh*t on craigslist for a fat profit without ever worrying about so much as a cop giving a flying, William or Nilliam, polly wolly doodle f*ck as long as you don't speed on your way to sell it to a fence. Cops don't deal with crime. They deal with public relations, rich people and revenue. You can steal from each other all you like as long as you're poor.
 
2011-06-13 02:45:00 AM

Enemabag Jones: Can I ask a question about CruiserTwelve.

Some of his responses feel shill like. Is this guy for real and not a straw man to burn down? Why does a cop who is clearly not a civilan bother explaining himself on fark? There are pleny of cop forums where can get responses that he knows he is right.

He just leaves a lame responses and then lets himself get hacked to death, you think he would learn by now.

/Now sure if he is just a fark rodeo clown.


From what I have seen:

They are a retired city cop. Michigan, Detroit perhaps, maybe? They seem to be a real person as they don't have a constant response like you're claiming they do. My reason for that is that I have seen them come down on the side against the police officers.

More often then not I agree with them as I take the time to read what he has to say or ask for additional information if I'm not clear. Keep in mind that I've been arrested on more than one occasion and am not to be considered a law abiding citizen by any means. To put it simply, I don't even like cops. I don't mind them and I'm kind of glad that they're there for the people that need them but they're the last people I'm going to call if I have a problem. There is a reason why I live where I live.

In the above, this particular instance, we see people discussing all sorts of things. First, it truly isn't a priority. Additionally there needs to be an investigation done as it involves a third party and it is a property theft. Evidence has to be preserved and there must be accountability. If we go beyond those things we also don't know when the police were actually made aware the results from his personal investigation. We don't know if they got that information on Thursday. We don't know if they got that information on Saturday morning. Nor do we know what has happened since press. Either way, unless you or I specifically work for that department in that specific unit that performs those investigations and are privy to the case load and prioritization schedule we're simply not qualified to say how rapidly this case should be proceeding.

I say those things knowing that I dislike cops. I've had more than my fair share of interactions with the police though I must say that the majority of those interactions truly were my share. I've never had one do anything towards me that I'd complain about aside from the, you know, fact that they were doing stuff like arresting me. I've never had one treat me in anything less than a professional manner and I've been arrested all the way from Bay County, Florida to Franklin County, Maine. Hell, one of those arrests resulted in my being extradited which resulted in a trip around the country and some 58 days "behind bars." (Some of those days were spent in a van in boxed cuffs, shackles, and a waist chain.) Err... To explain, I had an assault charge that I'd failed to fully resolve and was supposed to return to court (to have it dropped) because I had behaved myself for six months. I seem to have forgotten to return to court in six months so they had me as a fugitive from justice meaning I could not bail out from Florida no matter what. So... Yeah, I got back to Maine (right pissed actually as this trip ended up being almost two months) and I finally get to court and they basically said they were sorry and released me with no cost. It was a beautiful bar fight though. It was probably one of my best moments really but that's not important.

Anyhow... The point is, that I've seen the cops at their worst. I've been in jail (they don't really have bars in most of them any more by the way) for something I, well, did but certainly wasn't deserving of that. Even that was my fault though. I have been treated with nothing but professionalism each and every single time and I have appeared to be a pretty bad person to them.

Do I like 'em? Nope... I have no use for them. I'll deal with it on my own. They'll probably come yell at me or arrest me for it but it is easier and more effective I suppose. I'd tell you if I thought differently about CruiserTwelve. I have seen him make no excuses and even kind of apologize (just kind of, as I recall) for the police's action. I flagged them early on when I'd discovered that I could do that. It was actually because I had expected them to be as you describe and I was including them in a list of other extremists who have opinions I can safely ignore or discount as being invalid. (At that time I still was under the impression that actually using the ignore feature was chickening out.)

I include that so you can actually see where I am at and then decide how much weight you want to put to my opinion. They may seem like they're only in cop threads and that they only say supporting statements. They may seem like an exercise in Poe's Law. They may seem like boot licking extremists (or even Republicans). They're actually pretty sensible for the most part. They actually are not always on the side of the cops. They are not only in threads where the parties are white (I've seen that one lobbed out there too for some reason). I do not believe they're scripted nor do I believe it is somebody pretending to be something else.

Take it for what you will. I wasn't doing anything better with my time so I figured I'd toss this out there so you have the chance to see it from a different perspective and make up your own mind.
 
2011-06-13 02:50:59 AM
I hope justice is served. Thieves looted Dixie Brewery for copper after Katrina. Now there is no beer brewed in New Orleans. I grew up in New Orleans, and there's a pic of baby me in a diaper with a Dixie beer. (Probably explains a lot.)
 
2011-06-13 05:02:11 AM

CruiserTwelve: Sometime early Thursday, they cut our back fence -- they actually went through three other property owners' fences to get to our fence so they wouldn't be seen from the street," Lake said.

As of Saturday, Lake had not heard if arrests had been made.

Two days? Two whole farking days? You're criticising the cops because they didn't make an arrest with two whole days to work the case, one of them on a weekend when the detectives probably aren't working? It's a property crime, the evidence is secure, the crooks aren't going anywhere, but you're critical of the cops for not dropping everything and jumping on this case?

Good on the guy for identifying the bad guys, but I doubt stolen beer kegs are the most important issue in Birmingham, Alabama right now.


Youre right, there are speed light cameras to be set up!
 
2011-06-13 05:13:16 AM
UnspokenVoice,

Thanks for the complex and honest response.

I ask questions and can have paranoid opinions at times.

I have had interactions with some fine examples of aggressive meter maids carrying guns that were regrettable. Nothing comparing to your story, or even 1/10th that interesting.

I appreciate the time you took to comment.
 
2011-06-13 06:20:14 AM

buckeyebrain: Came for CruiserTwelve's "All Cops Are White Knights" crap. Leaving 'satisfied'.


Where did you read that? 'cause i sure as fark didn't say it.
 
2011-06-13 06:31:49 AM

Enemabag Jones: Can I ask a question about CruiserTwelve.

Some of his responses feel shill like. Is this guy for real and not a straw man to burn down? Why does a cop who is clearly not a civilan bother explaining himself on fark? There are pleny of cop forums where can get responses that he knows he is right.

He just leaves a lame responses and then lets himself get hacked to death, you think he would learn by now.

/Now sure if he is just a fark rodeo clown.


Yeah, I could go to some cop forums and talk about cop stuff, but that doesn't really interest me. I don't need peer support to know what kind of cop I am and what I believe in. What I attempt to do on Fark is open some people's eyes to the realities of police work. Clearly some Farkers don't want their narrow view of cops to be challenged, so they attack me. I'm hard-headed enough to stick around and argue though.

I call things as I see them. I've been very critical of cops when they deserve it, and I've defended cops when they deserve it. It doesn't seem to matter though, because some Farkers twist and bend everything I say to fit their stereotype. Just like being a cop, the victories are few but when I do actually educate someone it's a good feeling.
 
2011-06-13 06:56:33 AM
fark cops. Ive never once been helped or seen justice served as the victim of a crime. I'm also a law abiding citizen with a squeeky clean record, but I've been harrassed, accused of drug dealing ( I had a black guy in my car), yelled at in my face, and physically roughed up by cops.

Interestingly enough, ever since i started going out of my way to announce I am licensed and armed any time i deal with police, they have been nothing but respectful and polite to me. They even call me sir. I guess force is the only thing they have respect for.... go figure.
 
2011-06-13 07:10:29 AM

Enemabag Jones: UnspokenVoice,

Thanks for the complex and honest response.

I ask questions and can have paranoid opinions at times.

I have had interactions with some fine examples of aggressive meter maids carrying guns that were regrettable. Nothing comparing to your story, or even 1/10th that interesting.

I appreciate the time you took to comment.


Not a problem at all. I am quite happy to have had the time and initiative to do so. It does appear that the tense is such in today's posting that it causes some confusion for me. I'm not sure if he is active duty still or not now. I'd thought he was retired but I tend to get high and forget. I love pot... Anyhow, the simplest choice is to ask him if you're curious about him being active duty or not. I've talked/typed really to him before and he's never bitten my hand off.
 
2011-06-13 07:19:50 AM

UnspokenVoice: They are a retired city cop. Michigan, Detroit perhaps, maybe? They seem to be a real person as they don't have a constant response like you're claiming they do. My reason for that is that I have seen them come down on the side against the police officers.


Not retired, but I wish I was. Originally from Detroit and was a cop there from 73 through 78, then moved to Colorado and been a cop in the Denver area since.

I see your response as positive, and I appreciate that. But what's with the "they" and "them?" I'm just me. I'm the only one that uses this Fark handle, and I have no alts. I yam what I yam.
 
2011-06-13 07:22:29 AM

lewismarktwo: Hes a desk jockey what either misses his days in the fray or never had it. He may work at or near a police station, but he may also be one of those cop wanabes that install blues on their hooptie and pull over women to rape. The details aren't really known.

But you're right about one thing: he is a shill, and a rather obvious one.

*Warning, we are giving him exactly what he wants.


You couldn't be any wronger.
 
2011-06-13 07:31:41 AM

Tainted1: The investigation has been done for them you retarded monkey, but good job on continuing to prove youre worthlessness as a parasitic vermin.


If you were a cop, hell, if you had half a brain, you'd know that a premature arrest is a great way to lose a case. The guy tentatively identified the people that sold the kegs, not the people that stole them. Probably the same people, but in court you need proof, not assumptions. If an arrest were based solely on the information the victim provided I can see all sorts of issues at trial.

The original report was taken by a uniform cop, and the case will be assigned to a detective for further investigation and filing of charges. This isn't an emergency. Nobody's life is in danger. All the loose ends can be sewn up before an arrest is made.

But go ahead and assume the cops are being lazy if that makes you happy. Call me childish names if that makes you feel smart. I really don't give a flying fark.
 
2011-06-13 07:59:34 AM

kendelrio: Serious question about deposites:

I know the idea behind deposites. Pay x amount if dollars and return my shiat or you don't get your money back.

How is it considered stealing if I decide to keep what I paid the deposit on?

When you tell me a deposit cost, aren't you basically telling me "this is how much it will cost you to buy this"?

Like I said, serious question, not trolling.


Serious answer, not sarcasm... one 15.5 gallon stainless keg, commonly referred to as a 1/2 barrel keg, costs the brewery about $180 - $200. There are employees that will get a keg for the weekend.. they leave a check for $200 as a deposit. They get their check back when they return the keg. Works great, no losses. With beer retailers, folks leave a $30 deposit, and are told that the keg belongs to the brewery and must be returned. The name of the brewery is either stamped or etched into the keg, so it's obvious to whom the keg belongs to.. the ideal solution would be to charge a $200 deposit.. lots of people can't afford to tie up that amount, and/or are worried that someone will swipe the keg and they will lose their deposit.. also, if tyou rent a car, there is a deposit.. not the value of the car, but a significant amount.. not returning the item is theft, it's kinda left to the police when they respond.. are they dedicated to their jobs or are they putting in hours... so it's a real gamble when you are counting on the honesty and integrity of the customer so you can keep the deposit low and sell more beer...
 
2011-06-13 08:37:38 AM

CruiserTwelve: But go ahead and assume the cops are being lazy if that makes you happy.


I wouldn't say they're lazy. I'd say that there aren't enough detectives, so the threshold for what gets pursued is far too high. Not necessarily because of this case, but because property crimes in many jurisdictions simply don't get investigated. And I think it's safe to say that this crime wouldn't have been investigated by the police.

If you can juxtapose that with the fact that in these same jurisdictions there are plenty of uniformed officers to issue traffic citations and make arrests for victimless crimes, you've come to the kernel of why many people don't like the police.

It's not the officers' fault; they do what they're told. It's primarily a result of leadership (department and political) putting officers in places where they can generate revenue or at least offset their own cost. The result is that to the average citizen a police encounter highly unlikely to be a positive experience.

You said that property crime is not the most important thing to be dealt with in Birmingham. Your attitude reflects that of most LEOs I know. Most people would agree with that, but would say that it's far more important than other activities police are engaged in.
 
2011-06-13 09:00:03 AM
These men interfered with the manufacture and distribution of beer.

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