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(AL.com)   Alabama man wants to reclaim the 40 beer kegs stolen from his small brewery after he tracks down thieves and presents their driver's licenses, tags and addresses to police. Police response, *crickets*   (blog.al.com) divider line 271
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2011-06-12 07:53:10 PM  

Sim Tree: Mad Canadian: The actual value of the property is trivial. So the cops won't worry too much about it.

I had a cell phone stolen, and I gave the police the guys address, phone number, birthday, the car he drove with the license plate number.

Nothing - not a priority...

/csb


If the police are already admitting that they don't investigate crimes, why not just break into the guy's house and steal your phone/kegs/whatever back? The police have already demonstrated they're not going to investigate it.


The kegs are at a scrap yard. The most productive thing one could do without the cops is break into the perps' house, beat them within an inch of their lives and take whatever money they have on them. Unfortunately that's not an available option here because the victim has already notified the cops about these guys, and he'd be suspect number one in the investigation of a violent robbery and assault. Probably best to take his extended family to Olive Garden and farm out the beating to goons, to take place while he's establishing his alibi at dinner.
 
2011-06-12 07:53:46 PM  
Need more info.. are the kegs stainless or plastic? 1/2 bbl or 1/6 bbl? (bbl = barrel) 1/2 bbl stainless kegs cost 180-200 bucks each.. 1/6 bbl stainless kegs, about 100 bucks.. the plastic ones are about half of that.. the brewery has them marked with their name, which identifies them as their property. Here in Virginia, scrap yards that get caught with kegs end up in court for buying stolen property, and the owner does not have to pay to get their kegs back.. carried some scrap copper and wire in to one location, saw a bunch of Anhiser kegs.. called the distributer, they were there in 15 minutes.. cops came with them.. keg theft does serious damage to breweries, especially the smaller ones.. serious business there...
 
2011-06-12 07:54:27 PM  

fredklein: Secondly, in this case, fingerprints are probably not necessary. They have the testimony of the man, who say the suspects were checking out his place Wednesday, the testimony of the scrap yard guy who says these guys dropped off the kegs. What more is needed?


Is physical, non-circumstantial evidence too much to ask?

I'd like to be able to explain the crime. How did they transport the kegs? Did they rent a truck? From where? Did they borrow one? If they did, was the person they borrowed it from in on it?

And that's even assuming they did it (which, of course, is near-guaranteed). I'd also like to take steps to prevent QifutuWahuta's "If all it takes is for me to tell the cops someone committed a felony and give them their address, I'd have put a number of people in jail based on my own 'investigations'" scenario from turning into "If all it takes is for me and someone else to collaborate...".
 
2011-06-12 07:55:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: AbbeySomeone: A larger and ore established business would have had contacts and favors to call in.



What an ore established business may look like:


Sundays are the best days for imbibing the blood of christ.
I bless myself.
 
2011-06-12 07:56:10 PM  
Probably should have mentioned the illegal immigrants working at the scrap yard.
 
2011-06-12 07:56:41 PM  
40 kegs? That's as many as 4 tens.

And that's terrible...

/Obscure? :D
 
2011-06-12 07:59:42 PM  
What a total misuse of the empty kegs. While they are great for transport of someone else's beer, they make awesome pots for homebrewing. Way cheaper to pay the deposit on a keg instead of buying a equivalent sized stainless steel pot.
 
2011-06-12 08:02:47 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: fredklein: evaned: fredklein: All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves.

Yeah, forget independently verifying the evidence and getting warrants. All they have to do is drive up and go "hands up!"

Try quoting the entire thing:

"All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves. And take a swing by the scrap [yard] and speak to the owner. Certainly doesn't take three days to do that."

I bolded it so you won't miss it this time. Talking to the scrap yard owner would be the "verifying the evidence" part you mentioned. And I'm sure cops can get a warrant whenever they want- hell, it seems like half the time they don't even require any evidence at all to get a warrant, much less the DL's and addresses of the thieves handed to them on a silver plate.

For once in a cop thread I think I'm on the cops' side; there's a bunch of things that could be legitimately slowing them down. Two days really isn't all that long.

Actually 4 days. Kegs were stolen "early Thursday" (ie, probably before dawn). So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and here we are on Sunday Evening, day 4. I've seen accounts of cops getting warrants (based on just the say-so of a criminal looking to reduce their sentence), done all their "investigation", and issued SWAT raids, all in less time.

I'd suspect the cases you're referring to there are probably things like murder and major felonies, not some stolen kegs.


Funny thing is, all cops and DAs really care about is "clearance rate", and this looks like it's a slam-dunk with minimal effort.
 
2011-06-12 08:07:47 PM  
Sure a lot of cops, lawyers and DAs in this thread.
 
2011-06-12 08:10:15 PM  
Apparently the cops in Birmingham just aren't into that "crime fighting" thing. They wouldn't be able to get much money from a few whacked out meth heads so why bother? That's okay. This fellow knows who the crooks are. He should build a "justice shed" for this kind of occasion and let the police get back to collecting money from people who are in a hurry to get to work.

Justice Sheds
 
2011-06-12 08:12:50 PM  
>> Police response, *crickets*

As usual you cop haters don't realize how hard the police have it.

They only had 8 donut breaks yesterday and besides the entire force was tied up arresting a couple teenagers that were caught red handed with a joint.
 
2011-06-12 08:15:04 PM  

Sensitiveborderarea: Apparently the cops in Birmingham just aren't into that "crime fighting" thing.


But they are first rate when it comes to turning the fire hoses on uppity blacks.
 
2011-06-12 08:15:25 PM  

Mad Canadian: trivial


$120 a keg (per the business owner) times 40 kegs = $4800.

Write me a check for $4800, since that's a trivial amount.
 
2011-06-12 08:16:33 PM  

Bob16: >> Police response, *crickets*

As usual you cop haters don't realize how hard the police have it.

They only had 8 donut breaks yesterday and besides the entire force was tied up arresting a couple teenagers that were caught red handed with a joint.


I wonder how many speeding tickets were given out in Birmingham yesterday.
 
2011-06-12 08:16:38 PM  
csb:

About three years ago, my wallet was stolen on the subway (someone picked my pocket). As soon I realized, I promptly reported it to the police in the subway station. I called my bank and credit card company to cancel my cards, and they gave me the address of an ATM where someone had tried to use my cards. I gave the cops this information as well as describing as best I could what happened. However, because I couldn't say for certain if my wallet was stolen on the train, in the station, or on the stairs leading out of the station, for the next two weeks all the cops did was transfer my case from precinct to precinct, each time with the excuse that it wasn't their jurisdiction. I think I got three calls from three different detectives at three different precincts each asking me for the same information. The only thing the assholes did for me was give me a form to give the DMV so I didn't have to pay $15 to replace my driver's license (and even that I had to ask them for after reading about it on the DMV's web site; the first cop I spoke to thought it was something that I had to get from the DMV).

tl;dr: fark cops.
 
2011-06-12 08:19:48 PM  
Was this the cop he reported it to?

img137.imageshack.us

"Hey, man, I told you... I'm gonna make a report. Don't worry about it."
 
2011-06-12 08:26:05 PM  

sponkster: In California you pay a deposit large enough to cover the cost of the keg. Maybe they should do that there. Would alleviate the problem.


No, in California we RTFA.


/who am I kidding
 
2011-06-12 08:44:22 PM  

Another Government Employee: Wait a minute.

This is FARK.

This involves a craft brewer wanting to fill those empties with lovely amber liquid that when chilled will make you sit up a beg for more.

Where is the love?


Not only that, but Avondale Brewing hasn't started actively distributing to wholesalers yet, because they JUST got up and running. The only place their beer has made an appearance so far is at Magic City Brewfest last weekend. These kegs were going to be among the first ones to get sent out to local bars.

Considering the strong presence of the Free the Hops folks in Birmingham (word got out among us beer snobs before it ran in the paper), I wouldn't be surprise if Birmingham PD got an earful and got their shiat together after this hit the News.

There was a pretty interesting segment on NPR a couple of weeks ago about how dismissive the police are of property crimes. It's shameful.
 
2011-06-12 08:49:50 PM  

Marcintosh: What kind of vehicle can handle 40 kegs? I used to have difficulty getting more than three in my Chevette. Wouldn't 40 kegs on a truck at night traveling away from the brewery arouse any suspicion?

Evidently the get-away didn't go past the Doughnut Shop.


In California you use a U-haul.
 
2011-06-12 08:50:01 PM  

DORMAMU: Benevolent Misanthrope: jaylectricity: sponkster: In California you pay a deposit large enough to cover the cost of the keg. Maybe they should do that there. Would alleviate the problem.

And how would you collect this money from thieves who cut the fence and drove away with 40 kegs?

Y'see, the way deposits work is, they pay enough money to pay for the keg BEFORE they get the keg. So, the guy renting them the keg collects it. BEFORE they have the keg. And then if they don't bring it back, he still has their money. Because he took a DEPOSIT. BEFORE he gave them the keg.

Jeez.

guess how we all know you DNRTFA?

let me give you a hint:

the kegs were not rented, they were stolen. as in taken with out permission or payment. how do you collect a deposit from a thief who is stealing your property? I am sure insurance companies would love to know your sure fire way to do that!

/you could be strollin for a trollin, but it was too simple


Just so we all understand what you are saying.

In a state where there is say...a $60 deposit on a keg, somebody would steal 40 kegs and then take them to a scrap yard and get $450 dollars for them and scrap yard operators would then take those $60 a pop kegs that they just paid $450 dollars for and then crush them or melt them down and sell them to Acme Aluminum Co. for $500? The scrap yard operators wouldn't question why somebody is bringing $2400 worth of kegs to them? They wouldn't alert the police or anything like that?

Do your criminals out ther take soda cans that are worth a nickle a piece and sell them for a penny a piece to scrap yards because they stole them?

Interesting place, this Alabama.

See if you can follow how this works. In a place where there was a deposit and decent people, you wouldn't have an environment where it would be easy to unload 40 kegs.
 
2011-06-12 08:51:38 PM  
I had a shed broken into and caught the guys in the act of loading my shiat into their car. Me and a friend made them sit while the cops came.
In the end I was told they couldn't search the car for my stolen tools and they had to let them go.
That was the last time I ever called the police.
I'm sure they would have been able to impound the car and haul them away overnight if they smelled weed.
 
2011-06-12 09:03:27 PM  

sexy-fetus: I had a shed broken into and caught the guys in the act of loading my shiat into their car. Me and a friend made them sit while the cops came.
In the end I was told they couldn't search the car for my stolen tools and they had to let them go.
That was the last time I ever called the police.
I'm sure they would have been able to impound the car and haul them away overnight if they smelled weed.


Appears you were lucky you weren't sued by the thieves for false imprisonment after the dumbshiats let them go with all your belongings.
 
2011-06-12 09:04:30 PM  

McGrits: What a total misuse of the empty kegs. While they are great for transport of someone else's beer, they make awesome pots for homebrewing. Way cheaper to pay the deposit on a keg instead of buying a equivalent sized stainless steel pot.


Well you gotta get someone with a torch to take the top off cleanly, and that isn't exactly cheap unless you know the guy. My dad had a couple done for his homebrewing efforts.
 
2011-06-12 09:05:13 PM  

krackpipe: sexy-fetus: I had a shed broken into and caught the guys in the act of loading my shiat into their car. Me and a friend made them sit while the cops came.
In the end I was told they couldn't search the car for my stolen tools and they had to let them go.
That was the last time I ever called the police.
I'm sure they would have been able to impound the car and haul them away overnight if they smelled weed.

Appears you were lucky you weren't sued by the thieves for false imprisonment after the dumbshiats let them go with all your belongings.


Shoulda just shot'em.
 
2011-06-12 09:07:29 PM  

hammettman: The guy shoul've laid out a donut spread in front of the perp's house.


I like the way you think.

/fav'd
 
2011-06-12 09:12:19 PM  

hammettman: The guy shoul've laid out a donut spread in front of the perp's house.


F. Scott Fitzgerald? I love his son's translation of "Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam."

/weird
 
2011-06-12 09:14:02 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, OK, I know, I suck.

/DNRTFA
//What's it to ya, Bub?


This isn't how this works; you can't graciously admit fault.

+1 good sir
 
2011-06-12 09:15:41 PM  

sexy-fetus: I had a shed broken into and caught the guys in the act of loading my shiat into their car. Me and a friend made them sit while the cops came.
In the end I was told they couldn't search the car for my stolen tools and they had to let them go.
That was the last time I ever called the police.
I'm sure they would have been able to impound the car and haul them away overnight if they smelled weed.


I remember the last time you CSB'd us with this.

Pisses me off every time I hear it.

/fark lazy cops
//fark dirty cops
///fark copologists
////farking slashes!
 
2011-06-12 09:16:58 PM  

LtDarkstar: What's new? I'm from Wisconsin and I always end up doing the police's job for them since they don't do shiat around here either... fracking losers.


I hear the police have a union in Wisconsin.
 
2011-06-12 09:23:36 PM  
CruiserTwelve:

I knew we'd see you here, white knight.
 
2011-06-12 09:28:03 PM  

sexy-fetus: I had a shed broken into and caught the guys in the act of loading my shiat into their car. Me and a friend made them sit while the cops came.
In the end I was told they couldn't search the car for my stolen tools and they had to let them go.
That was the last time I ever called the police.
I'm sure they would have been able to impound the car and haul them away overnight if they smelled weed.


Yeah. That would have been an illegal search your "guests" didn't consent. And it would have taken a while to get a warrant.

But I am surprised the "guests" didn't get a free ride for the B&E. Should have been enough probable cause for that.
 
2011-06-12 09:28:21 PM  

evaned: You certain that's all? If the cops are doing their due diligence, I'd be looking at more than that. I'd almost definitely be dusting the kegs for fingerprints before going for the arrest so I could match them immediately. I'd ask around about the suspects' whereabouts. I'd maybe even look into the histories of the brewery and scrap heap owners a tiny bit, and whether they have any connections. All of these are things that would need to be done eventually anyway


You know how I know you're taking a break from playing L.A. Noire?
 
2011-06-12 09:28:35 PM  
Bob16

Sensitiveborderarea: Apparently the cops in Birmingham just aren't into that "crime fighting" thing.

But they are first rate when it comes to turning the fire hoses on uppity blacks.



As of the year 2000, the population of Birmingham was 73.46% black. The black chief Birmingham's police department (A.C. Roper) and his majority black police force are probably even less motivated to water down uppity blacks than they are to punish thieves.
 
2011-06-12 09:33:30 PM  
Well I for one hope they resolve the case and return the 30 kegs of beer pronto.
 
2011-06-12 09:37:24 PM  
So, maybe Indianapolis isn't the only city where the local police are dipping into the stolen "scrap" metal till.
 
2011-06-12 09:38:10 PM  

evaned: fredklein: "All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves. And take a swing by the scrap [yard] and speak to the owner. Certainly doesn't take three days to do that."

You certain that's all? If the cops are doing their due diligence, I'd be looking at more than that. I'd almost definitely be dusting the kegs for fingerprints before going for the arrest so I could match them immediately. I'd ask around about the suspects' whereabouts. I'd maybe even look into the histories of the brewery and scrap heap owners a tiny bit, and whether they have any connections. All of these are things that would need to be done eventually anyway.

It's not like there's a huge rush to go nab the fellows. So what if their trial is a few days sooner? That just means they'll be released a few days sooner. Sure, they could run now, but it's not like they won't likely be out on bail a couple days after being arrested anyway. (The publication of this article could change the picture a bit, but that's probably the brewery owner's fault anyway.)

ByOwlLight: Stuff like "I found all these severed heads in my roommate's room, man, here," is allowable because of it. What this guy found would be the same, I'd think.

Yeah, it might be a little easier for the defense to challenge the evidence, but I don't know any reason it would have completely excluded it.

The one thing where a "clean" investigation could have made a large difference is the fact that the owner says he saw one of the suspects casing his place beforehand. If he could have picked that suspect out of a lineup cleanly, that would have probably been a substantial help to the prosecution's case. That opportunity's sailed.


Actually they could still do a lineup (if they wanted to go that far). The brewery owner hasn't seen the suspects. He may have their names from the scrapyard, but he didn't actually view them so the identity wouldn't necessarily be tainted. Remember though, this is a relatively minor theft (not to the one suffering the losses) so as far as resources dedicated, it will be minimal as shown by the police response thus far.
 
2011-06-12 09:42:08 PM  

Ziplin: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, OK, I know, I suck.

/DNRTFA
//What's it to ya, Bub?

This isn't how this works; you can't graciously admit fault.

+1 good sir


Also, That deposit idea probably wouldn't have worked in this case. I just thought someone should mention it so let me be the first.
 
2011-06-12 09:45:33 PM  
Just read the article and BURN THE THIEVES!!!!


As stated several times before.. I'm a craft brewer by trade my self.

Cooperage is one of the most expensive parts of our operation. If that man had bought those 40kegs brand new, and at that volume.. we need to presume that was an initial investment of about $100 a keg.

$4000 in initial capital investment is no small potatoes when you have to deal with all the other material costs in a brewery. the dude probably doesn't have much in the way of glass packaging equipment witch is also insanely expensive.

When you are a start up like that, Kegging is usually your cheapest way of getting the product to market.

every quarter you need to access how many kegs you have in stock, and market, and how much loss is floating around, and what you need to do to replace it.

Got this so far? Beer kegs are private property of the Brewery the originate from. When you buy a Keg, you are only buying the beer inside the keg, not the whole piece of equipment. That is what the deposit is for, so you return the keg and get your money back, and we get our keg back.

This heist was pretty brazen, and the scrap yard who took them should've known better, If they had mass batch of brand new cherry kegs coming into the yard, all at once, from one guy, or guys, and none of them showing any kind of credentials that they were in any way affiliated with the brewery in question? then they are accepting stolen property, and can be prosecuted as such.

We have successfully sued and won back the value of our kegs from a scrap yard that was crushing our kegs. and the scrap yard owner came DAMN close to going to jail for it as well.

he crushed them immediately and tried to hide them, he got away with it for about 6 months before we found him out.

the man was paying out around $40 a keg to the tin miners who brought them in.

Wanna know what gave him away? Of course you do! all the Scrap yards are conviently located in our part of town, and to get there from the unprotected Keg corals located behind the down town bars, the tin miners would have to cross over the bridges to them. One of those bridges conviently empties out in front of the brewery.
One day my Maintenance man is coming back from lunch and he sees a dude pushing a shopping cart across the bridge... in said shopping cart are three Kegs... one of ours, and two AB kegs.

Maintenance man calls into the office and says he's on a mission. Parks his car, and proceeds to follow shopping cart guy on foot to the scrapyard. there was a pile of crushed kegs hidden in a far corner of the scrapyard over by the stainless pile.

Well, mind you, our breweries pub is a frequent lunch and hang out spot for the areas Beat cops, so we call a couple of our regulars and get an escort to inspect the yard. after the inspection.. and the owner of the scrap yard pleading ignorance we let loose the lawyers of war.


After that we increased our deposit rate to all of our accounts. And informed all the scrap metal yards that we can and will prosecute if ANY breweries kegs were found on their property.

Of course that didn't stop the Tin miners themselves. they would still steal the kegs and attempt to scrap them. when they were informed that the kegs were stolen and would not be accepted, they would just dump them somewhere.

So a new process was enacted. If someone brought in a keg for Scrap, the scrap yard would only pay out the deposit fee for the keg, and it was then up to them to contact the keg owner of distribution company representative to get their deposit fee back.

So, the Tin miners got crack money, the Scrapyards got paid back, and we would get our kegs back.

BUT! The tin miners are not the largest source of lost cooperage.. it's the deposit hoarders the apathetic party people, and the college furniture makers that constitute the LARGEST sources of lost cooperage.

The Deposit hoarders are the folks that will hold onto a keg until their next party so they don't have to put down another deposit on their next keg.. so that kegs sits around in a garage or the backyard somewhere. The apathetic party people tend to think the things are just big beer cans and just let them pile up, the college furniture makers turn the kegs into end tables and the like and hold on to them as trophies of parties past. either way the keg is still out there, functional, But not in our inventory, and therefore, needs to be replaced.

The money it costs replacing that keg, means money we are not spending on beer making ingredients, or other capital improvements to the brewery itself.

By you trying to save money for your self, you are costing US money.

And yes, this even applies to you well meaning home-brewers that get a hold of a keg and turn it into a giant brewing pot.

In short, Buy the beer, pay your deposit, drink the beer, and then get your deposit back.
 
2011-06-12 09:50:33 PM  
Was it this guy?

www.toplessrobot.com

Oh, you said kegs. Never mind.
 
2011-06-12 09:53:07 PM  
No shiat. Police can't make any money retrieving stolen kegs.
 
2011-06-12 09:54:06 PM  

sponkster: In California you pay a deposit large enough to cover the cost of the keg. Maybe they should do that there. Would alleviate the problem.


Don't you wish Fark had a delete button?
 
2011-06-12 10:02:41 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Just read the article and BURN THE THIEVES!!!!


As stated several times before.. I'm a craft brewer by trade my self.

-snip-

In short, Buy the beer, pay your deposit, drink the beer, and then get your deposit back.


It is good that you make beer. I hope it is good. However it sounds like your accountants need to readress the deposit amount. If you are not making money, then you are doing it wrong, no matter the goodness of the brew.

userserve-ak.last.fm

pic is as hot as the brew is cold
 
2011-06-12 10:03:56 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Sometime early Thursday, they cut our back fence -- they actually went through three other property owners' fences to get to our fence so they wouldn't be seen from the street," Lake said.

As of Saturday, Lake had not heard if arrests had been made.

Two days? Two whole farking days? You're criticising the cops because they didn't make an arrest with two whole days to work the case, one of them on a weekend when the detectives probably aren't working? It's a property crime, the evidence is secure, the crooks aren't going anywhere, but you're critical of the cops for not dropping everything and jumping on this case?

Good on the guy for identifying the bad guys, but I doubt stolen beer kegs are the most important issue in Birmingham, Alabama right now.


Wow, just wow.

/Are the Birmingham police on a 4 ten hour days schedule?
//And they all work Monday-Thursday?
 
2011-06-12 10:06:05 PM  

buckeyebrain: Came for CruiserTwelve's "All Cops Are White Knights" crap. Leaving 'satisfied'.


you may be satisfied but i'm just pissed off. CruiserTwelve has devolved from a defender of most, but not all, police action into a shill for the cops. or a troll. it's hard to tell anymore.
 
2011-06-12 10:09:05 PM  

eggrolls: Was it this guy?



Oh, you said kegs. Never mind.


damn you! damn you to hell.
 
2011-06-12 10:10:57 PM  

kendelrio: sexy-fetus: I had a shed broken into and caught the guys in the act of loading my shiat into their car. Me and a friend made them sit while the cops came.
In the end I was told they couldn't search the car for my stolen tools and they had to let them go.
That was the last time I ever called the police.
I'm sure they would have been able to impound the car and haul them away overnight if they smelled weed.

I remember the last time you CSB'd us with this.

Pisses me off every time I hear it.

/fark lazy cops
//fark dirty cops
///fark copologists
////farking slashes!


Oops I try not to repeat myself, but there's so many appropriate threads for it.
 
2011-06-12 10:12:28 PM  

BalugaJoe: Everything is legal in Alabama.


Heard that on XM the other day....live here, it ain't true.
 
2011-06-12 10:26:19 PM  

Daedalus27: The brewery owner hasn't seen the suspects. He may have their names from the scrapyard, but he didn't actually view them so the identity wouldn't necessarily be tainted.


FTFA: "'I got their driver's licenses, ...,' Lake said."

And, as I mentioned in the post you replied to, he specifically said he recognized them: "Lake recognized the men because he saw them scouting the brewery Wednesday night."

So no, they can't do a lineup.
 
2011-06-12 10:26:34 PM  

McGrits: Cerebral Knievel: Just read the article and BURN THE THIEVES!!!!


As stated several times before.. I'm a craft brewer by trade my self.

-snip-

In short, Buy the beer, pay your deposit, drink the beer, and then get your deposit back.

It is good that you make beer. I hope it is good. However it sounds like your accountants need to readress the deposit amount. If you are not making money, then you are doing it wrong, no matter the goodness of the brew.



pic is as hot as the brew is cold


This thread is loaded with folks that DRTFA.. kinda hard to charge deposits on kegs that were stolen at night when no-one was there... your reading skills suck...
 
2011-06-12 10:31:50 PM  

OlderGuy: This thread is loaded with folks that DRTFA.. kinda hard to charge deposits on kegs that were stolen at night when no-one was there... your reading skills suck...


I'm pretty sure neither of the folks you're replying to were under that impression; Cerebral Knievel was just telling a related anecdote.
 
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