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(AL.com)   Alabama man wants to reclaim the 40 beer kegs stolen from his small brewery after he tracks down thieves and presents their driver's licenses, tags and addresses to police. Police response, *crickets*   (blog.al.com) divider line 271
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2011-06-12 06:39:13 PM  

sponkster: In California you pay a deposit large enough to cover the cost of the keg. Maybe they should do that there. Would alleviate the problem.


Um, they stole empty kegs from a brewery, so there was no deposit paid.
 
2011-06-12 06:39:13 PM  

evaned: fredklein: All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves.

Yeah, forget independently verifying the evidence and getting warrants. All they have to do is drive up and go "hands up!"


Try quoting the entire thing:

"All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves. And take a swing by the scrap [yard] and speak to the owner. Certainly doesn't take three days to do that."

I bolded it so you won't miss it this time. Talking to the scrap yard owner would be the "verifying the evidence" part you mentioned. And I'm sure cops can get a warrant whenever they want- hell, it seems like half the time they don't even require any evidence at all to get a warrant, much less the DL's and addresses of the thieves handed to them on a silver plate.

For once in a cop thread I think I'm on the cops' side; there's a bunch of things that could be legitimately slowing them down. Two days really isn't all that long.

Actually 4 days. Kegs were stolen "early Thursday" (ie, probably before dawn). So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and here we are on Sunday Evening, day 4. I've seen accounts of cops getting warrants (based on just the say-so of a criminal looking to reduce their sentence), done all their "investigation", and issued SWAT raids, all in less time.
 
2011-06-12 06:39:40 PM  

jaytkay: Thursday kegs are stolen
Saturday kegs have not been recovered

ZOMG THE COPS ARE STEALING BEER KEGS AN D I SAW COPS HAVING AN ORGY ON THE BEER KEGS


And then one of the babies looked at me!
 
2011-06-12 06:40:46 PM  

Mad Canadian: The actual value of the property is trivial. So the cops won't worry too much about it.

I had a cell phone stolen, and I gave the police the guys address, phone number, birthday, the car he drove with the license plate number.

Nothing - not a priority...

/csb



If the police are already admitting that they don't investigate crimes, why not just break into the guy's house and steal your phone/kegs/whatever back? The police have already demonstrated they're not going to investigate it.
 
2011-06-12 06:42:06 PM  
I'm surprised the owner doesn't have to pay the scrap value to get the kegs back. I know that is how it works when pawn shops buy stolen property.
 
2011-06-12 06:42:56 PM  
Yeah, but... This is an open and shut case for the cops, It could make them look very good with little effort. Clearance rate blah blah etc. Now that it's been publicized their window of opportunity has likely closed. The warrants can be had with a phone call, photos of the evidence can be emailed. Cops dropped the ball on this one.
 
2011-06-12 06:45:14 PM  

Capitalist1: I came in to say basically this. He might have destroyed any evidence they could take to court with his roll-your-own approach. Not destroyed because the evidence no longer exists, but destroyed as in "no longer admissible".


I am totally blanking on the name right now, but there is a law that allows police to use evidence brought to them by a "vigilante" or whatever the proper legal speak term is for somebody doing their own investigating during the course of an investigation. Stuff like "I found all these severed heads in my roommate's room, man, here," is allowable because of it. What this guy found would be the same, I'd think.
 
2011-06-12 06:45:41 PM  
It could also be that the cops are on the take with a fixer. If the regular fixer "fixed" this crime for the scrap thieves, the police wouldn't investigate at all. (This happens more often than you might realize)
 
2011-06-12 06:45:42 PM  

tacojohn: I'm surprised the owner doesn't have to pay the scrap value to get the kegs back. I know that is how it works when pawn shops buy stolen property.


Depends on the state.
 
2011-06-12 06:47:32 PM  
Question: Can a private investigator bring charges to the attention of the District Attorney without intermediation by the police?
 
2011-06-12 06:47:47 PM  

tacojohn: I'm surprised the owner doesn't have to pay the scrap value to get the kegs back. I know that is how it works when pawn shops buy stolen property.


Why would one need to pay? It's stolen property, with a paper trail to prove it. Further, if the police are too busy busting growers to be bothered with a felony theft worth several thousand dollars, I'd sue the thieves for the time involved to recover the kegs, plus the cost of re-sanitizing the kegs.
 
2011-06-12 06:48:39 PM  
so Lex Luthor has moved up from cakes, has he? That's just terrible.
 
2011-06-12 06:55:24 PM  
Duh! Consider the work to financial gain ratio for the city in this situation? Now tell him there has been a car with out of state plates parked in a handicapped space for the last seven seconds and watch the smoke fly from his overheated ballpoint. 'justice' would be dispensed without him even finishing his doughnut. It is critical however that you do not disclose what you think aught to be done about it, because of the whole 'piece of shiat citizen telling a cop what to do' scenario that prevented them from acting in the beer keg case.
 
2011-06-12 06:55:43 PM  
It's not the cops fault that most of them are generally lazy and couldn't be bothered to do anything we, the farking public, actually pay them to do.
 
2011-06-12 06:56:38 PM  
But what's the street value of 40 kegs?
 
2011-06-12 06:58:20 PM  

JamesLi: CruiserTwelve: Sometime early Thursday, they cut our back fence -- they actually went through three other property owners' fences to get to our fence so they wouldn't be seen from the street," Lake said.

As of Saturday, Lake had not heard if arrests had been made.

Two days? Two whole farking days? You're criticising the cops because they didn't make an arrest with two whole days to work the case, one of them on a weekend when the detectives probably aren't working? It's a property crime, the evidence is secure, the crooks aren't going anywhere, but you're critical of the cops for not dropping everything and jumping on this case?

Good on the guy for identifying the bad guys, but I doubt stolen beer kegs are the most important issue in Birmingham, Alabama right now.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

Fixed that for you. And quoted you for those who would hide from ignorance.
 
2011-06-12 06:58:32 PM  
Those upstarts!
 
2011-06-12 07:01:45 PM  
Baby Jesus cries every time they serve their devil water... so it's OK for the police to not do their jobs and enforece the law. They are answering to a higher power, after all...

farktards.
 
2011-06-12 07:02:28 PM  
The bars in the area where I grew up used to leave empty kegs out back. We used to swipe them and cases of returnables and then turn them in for the deposit. Got lots of free beer using this scam. Police in my town, though, would have been happy to bust you since they didn't have much else to do.
 
2011-06-12 07:04:03 PM  

fredklein: evaned: fredklein: All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves.

Yeah, forget independently verifying the evidence and getting warrants. All they have to do is drive up and go "hands up!"

Try quoting the entire thing:

"All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves. And take a swing by the scrap [yard] and speak to the owner. Certainly doesn't take three days to do that."

I bolded it so you won't miss it this time. Talking to the scrap yard owner would be the "verifying the evidence" part you mentioned. And I'm sure cops can get a warrant whenever they want- hell, it seems like half the time they don't even require any evidence at all to get a warrant, much less the DL's and addresses of the thieves handed to them on a silver plate.

For once in a cop thread I think I'm on the cops' side; there's a bunch of things that could be legitimately slowing them down. Two days really isn't all that long.

Actually 4 days. Kegs were stolen "early Thursday" (ie, probably before dawn). So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and here we are on Sunday Evening, day 4. I've seen accounts of cops getting warrants (based on just the say-so of a criminal looking to reduce their sentence), done all their "investigation", and issued SWAT raids, all in less time.


I'd suspect the cases you're referring to there are probably things like murder and major felonies, not some stolen kegs.
 
2011-06-12 07:04:19 PM  

fredklein: "All the cops need to do is drive to the addresses he gave them and arrest the thieves. And take a swing by the scrap [yard] and speak to the owner. Certainly doesn't take three days to do that."


You certain that's all? If the cops are doing their due diligence, I'd be looking at more than that. I'd almost definitely be dusting the kegs for fingerprints before going for the arrest so I could match them immediately. I'd ask around about the suspects' whereabouts. I'd maybe even look into the histories of the brewery and scrap heap owners a tiny bit, and whether they have any connections. All of these are things that would need to be done eventually anyway.

It's not like there's a huge rush to go nab the fellows. So what if their trial is a few days sooner? That just means they'll be released a few days sooner. Sure, they could run now, but it's not like they won't likely be out on bail a couple days after being arrested anyway. (The publication of this article could change the picture a bit, but that's probably the brewery owner's fault anyway.)

ByOwlLight: Stuff like "I found all these severed heads in my roommate's room, man, here," is allowable because of it. What this guy found would be the same, I'd think.


Yeah, it might be a little easier for the defense to challenge the evidence, but I don't know any reason it would have completely excluded it.

The one thing where a "clean" investigation could have made a large difference is the fact that the owner says he saw one of the suspects casing his place beforehand. If he could have picked that suspect out of a lineup cleanly, that would have probably been a substantial help to the prosecution's case. That opportunity's sailed.
 
2011-06-12 07:05:08 PM  
What kind of vehicle can handle 40 kegs? I used to have difficulty getting more than three in my Chevette. Wouldn't 40 kegs on a truck at night traveling away from the brewery arouse any suspicion?

Evidently the get-away didn't go past the Doughnut Shop.
 
2011-06-12 07:07:30 PM  

fredklein: Actually 4 days. Kegs were stolen "early Thursday" (ie, probably before dawn). So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and here we are on Sunday Evening, day 4.


I missed this before. The critical piece of evidence surfaced a couple days into the investigation. Not really fair to count right from the start if there wasn't anything to go on.

Five Tails of Fury: I'd suspect the cases you're referring to there are probably things like murder and major felonies, not some stolen kegs.


Well those and drug raids. (sigh)
 
2011-06-12 07:08:18 PM  

Tevo-D: Baby Jesus cries every time they serve their devil water... so it's OK for the police to not do their jobs and enforece the law. They are answering to a higher power, after all...

farktards.


We are talking about Alabama, so yeah, this.
The only dildo you can legally buy in Alabama is a cop.
 
2011-06-12 07:09:27 PM  

Marcintosh: Wouldn't 40 kegs on a truck at night traveling away from the brewery arouse any suspicion?


Even if I was awake and saw it, no. Why would it? Don't breweries have deliveries to make? I mean, they're selling to someone.
 
2011-06-12 07:09:39 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Sometime early Thursday, they cut our back fence -- they actually went through three other property owners' fences to get to our fence so they wouldn't be seen from the street," Lake said.

As of Saturday, Lake had not heard if arrests had been made.

Two days? Two whole farking days? You're criticising the cops because they didn't make an arrest with two whole days to work the case, one of them on a weekend when the detectives probably aren't working? It's a property crime, the evidence is secure, the crooks aren't going anywhere, but you're critical of the cops for not dropping everything and jumping on this case?

Good on the guy for identifying the bad guys, but I doubt stolen beer kegs are the most important issue in Birmingham, Alabama right now.


This response highlights why I think so little of cops.
 
2011-06-12 07:11:01 PM  
Call in a Code 8.
 
2011-06-12 07:13:33 PM  

evaned: fredklein: Actually 4 days. Kegs were stolen "early Thursday" (ie, probably before dawn). So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and here we are on Sunday Evening, day 4.

I missed this before. The critical piece of evidence surfaced a couple days into the investigation. Not really fair to count right from the start if there wasn't anything to go on.

Five Tails of Fury: I'd suspect the cases you're referring to there are probably things like murder and major felonies, not some stolen kegs.

Well those and drug raids. (sigh)


Its fair if you count days the way they do at the impound yard. Its been 6 days by their calendar.
 
2011-06-12 07:13:40 PM  

Sim Tree: If the police are already admitting that they don't investigate crimes, why not just break into the guy's house and steal your phone/kegs/whatever back? The police have already demonstrated they're not going to investigate it.


It turns out... when you threaten to do this very thing... the police get much more cooperative about actually doing the investigation. Or so I have heard.... :-)

In this case, however, their is an innocent third party in the midle, the scrap dealer out 450 bucks... better to reimburse the 450 rather than pay the 4800 required for new kegs...

He left them there intentionally to aid in the investigation and bring the aholes to justice... so he just has to wait in limbo until they get off their asses...
 
2011-06-12 07:14:53 PM  

thisisarepeat: The only dildo you can legally buy in Alabama is a cop.


I'm laughing at this way harder than I probably should be
 
2011-06-12 07:15:55 PM  
As it is apparent the victim and perps are white, I am not allowed to post my critisms of the police department involved.

/fark you copologists
 
2011-06-12 07:22:50 PM  
Everything is legal in Alabama.
 
2011-06-12 07:23:32 PM  
Can I ask a question about CruiserTwelve.

Some of his responses feel shill like. Is this guy for real and not a straw man to burn down? Why does a cop who is clearly not a civilan bother explaining himself on fark? There are pleny of cop forums where can get responses that he knows he is right.

He just leaves a lame responses and then lets himself get hacked to death, you think he would learn by now.

/Now sure if he is just a fark rodeo clown.
 
2011-06-12 07:27:51 PM  
welcome to alabamy
 
2011-06-12 07:28:40 PM  
And that's terrible.
 
2011-06-12 07:29:21 PM  
In order to determine how much the cops give a crap about your problem, you must consider the following:
- How much money the jurisdiction will make investigating this;
- Whether a "more equal" citizen will be affected;
- How it will look politically.

So, for stolen kegs guy, the answers are: $0.00, "No", and "Not a problem".

Ergo, the police give-a-crap-o-meter reads 0.0 craps given.

Now, if there was someone to nail for drugs that results in a huge seizure of property and cash, or if the county prosecutor's sister might be affected, or if there's a blatant murder that the newspapers will howl about, the give-a-crap-o-meter suddenly starts swinging into the big numbers.

Until then, there's no point in contacting the police. You're just going to frustrate yourself.
 
2011-06-12 07:30:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: jaylectricity: sponkster: In California you pay a deposit large enough to cover the cost of the keg. Maybe they should do that there. Would alleviate the problem.

And how would you collect this money from thieves who cut the fence and drove away with 40 kegs?

Y'see, the way deposits work is, they pay enough money to pay for the keg BEFORE they get the keg. So, the guy renting them the keg collects it. BEFORE they have the keg. And then if they don't bring it back, he still has their money. Because he took a DEPOSIT. BEFORE he gave them the keg.

Jeez.


Criky's. ANOTHER commenter that didn't read the story.
 
2011-06-12 07:31:09 PM  

evaned: You certain that's all? If the cops are doing their due diligence, I'd be looking at more than that. I'd almost definitely be dusting the kegs for fingerprints


Firstly, I've seen plenty of posts here on Fark about cops not bothering to take fingerprints or even follow something as obvious as footprints in the mud.
Secondly, in this case, fingerprints are probably not necessary. They have the testimony of the man, who say the suspects were checking out his place Wednesday, the testimony of the scrap yard guy who says these guys dropped off the kegs. What more is needed?
 
2011-06-12 07:31:25 PM  
What's sad about this is that if the keg owner took matters into his own hands, HE would probably be the one to end up being prosecuted. So in a case like this, not only will the cops not do their jobs, they won't let citizens do anything about it either.
 
2011-06-12 07:31:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Please. Cops are too power-hungry for that. They have to be the ones to tell others what to do, not the ones who are told. Even if the person telling has already done their job for them. It's a matter of principle dammit - they are in charge. And don't you ever dare forget it.


I hate to agree with you, since I often work with law enforcement, but THIS!!!

Waaaay too many folks with a badge out there who should never have been given one.

My favorites? Watching a sherriff try to explain how porn or worse got onto the vehicle issued laptop (thank heavens they're often dumb enough to think that we don' know how long they browsed the site). This is only marginally better than having one tell a citizen that if he wants a court ruling enforced that he needs to get the judge to do the enforcement (which is why the judge had the order issued to the sherriff in the first place).

Yeah, not surprised at all by this story...
 
2011-06-12 07:38:07 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Can I ask a question about CruiserTwelve.

Some of his responses feel shill like. Is this guy for real and not a straw man to burn down? Why does a cop who is clearly not a civilan bother explaining himself on fark? There are pleny of cop forums where can get responses that he knows he is right.

He just leaves a lame responses and then lets himself get hacked to death, you think he would learn by now.

/Now sure if he is just a fark rodeo clown.


Hes a desk jockey what either misses his days in the fray or never had it. He may work at or near a police station, but he may also be one of those cop wanabes that install blues on their hooptie and pull over women to rape. The details aren't really known.

But you're right about one thing: he is a shill, and a rather obvious one.

*Warning, we are giving him exactly what he wants.
 
2011-06-12 07:40:02 PM  
Since when have cops cared about theft? Unless someone's caught in the act, they couldn't care less.
 
2011-06-12 07:41:36 PM  

Tevo-D: Sim Tree: If the police are already admitting that they don't investigate crimes, why not just break into the guy's house and steal your phone/kegs/whatever back? The police have already demonstrated they're not going to investigate it.

It turns out... when you threaten to do this very thing... the police get much more cooperative about actually doing the investigation. Or so I have heard.... :-)

In this case, however, their is an innocent third party in the midle, the scrap dealer out 450 bucks... better to reimburse the 450 rather than pay the 4800 required for new kegs...

He left them there intentionally to aid in the investigation and bring the aholes to justice... so he just has to wait in limbo until they get off their asses...


The scrap dealer should have had better sense, truly.
There was an article awhile back about a graveyard being robbed of all it's urns and they too turned up at a scrap yard.
Otoh, it seems likely that the brewer pissed someone off by taking matters into his own hands. A larger and ore established business would have had contacts and favors to call in.
 
2011-06-12 07:43:08 PM  
Wait a minute.

This is FARK.

This involves a craft brewer wanting to fill those empties with lovely amber liquid that when chilled will make you sit up a beg for more.

Where is the love?
 
2011-06-12 07:44:36 PM  

AbbeySomeone: A larger and ore established business would have had contacts and favors to call in.




What an ore established business may look like:

www.mnhs.org
 
2011-06-12 07:44:46 PM  
A lot of cops are just security guards with guns. Don't expect much help.
 
2011-06-12 07:44:58 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: jaytkay: Thursday kegs are stolen
Saturday kegs have not been recovered

ZOMG THE COPS ARE STEALING BEER KEGS AN D I SAW COPS HAVING AN ORGY ON THE BEER KEGS

And then one of the babies looked at me!


The baby looked at you?
avatars.qkype.com
 
2011-06-12 07:45:15 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Sometime early Thursday, they cut our back fence -- they actually went through three other property owners' fences to get to our fence so they wouldn't be seen from the street," Lake said.

As of Saturday, Lake had not heard if arrests had been made.

Two days? Two whole farking days? You're criticising the cops because they didn't make an arrest with two whole days to work the case, one of them on a weekend when the detectives probably aren't working? It's a property crime, the evidence is secure, the crooks aren't going anywhere, but you're critical of the cops for not dropping everything and jumping on this case?

Good on the guy for identifying the bad guys, but I doubt stolen beer kegs are the most important issue in Birmingham, Alabama right now.


Because breaking laws regarding theft doesn't really matter?
 
2011-06-12 07:46:42 PM  

Another Government Employee: Wait a minute.

This is FARK.

This involves a craft brewer wanting to fill those empties with lovely amber liquid that when chilled will make you sit up a beg for more.

Where is the love?


Stuffed to the gills on PBR pancakes.
 
2011-06-12 07:47:02 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Can I ask a question about CruiserTwelve.

Some of his responses feel shill like. Is this guy for real and not a straw man to burn down? Why does a cop who is clearly not a civilan bother explaining himself on fark? There are pleny of cop forums where can get responses that he knows he is right.

He just leaves a lame responses and then lets himself get hacked to death, you think he would learn by now.

/Now sure if he is just a fark rodeo clown.


He's for real. He has way too much knowledge about DUI to be anything but a cop.

I suspect he believes that he's helping improve the public's perception of police by posting here. And claiming that the theft of $5000 worth of material from a small business isn't very important pretty much proves that he's got cop myopia.
 
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