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(Orlando Sentinel)   Florida towns forced to pass ordinances requiring good manners at public meetings. "My God, we're all Americans. What happened to the ability to have a good public debate and healthy debate without all this anger and incivility?"   (orlandosentinel.com ) divider line 105
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2011-06-10 11:58:01 AM  
"The level of anger that we have reached in public meetings, not just in Mascotte but everywhere, it's just gone out of control," Mascotte City Manager Jim Gleason said. "To me, it's gotten scary. But, my God, we're all Americans. What happened to the ability to have a good public debate and healthy debate without all this anger and incivility?"

Ask the tea party about that. Or Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck...take your pick, any/all of them contributed to all that anger and hatred you see spewed in any sort of political debate these days.
 
2011-06-10 12:00:15 PM  
Fox News.
 
2011-06-10 12:00:38 PM  

Diogenes: Fox News.


ooo...good point.
 
2011-06-10 12:13:39 PM  
Yep. It's obviously the right-wing's fault. Obviously.
 
2011-06-10 12:23:40 PM  
The Internet happened.
 
2011-06-10 12:31:24 PM  
There is something to be said for adhering to parlimentary procedure when in groups of more than say, three people.

Two if they're Floridians.
 
2011-06-10 12:34:08 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Yep. It's obviously the right-wing's fault. Obviously.


We had a quick volly of inflamatory and completely off topic statements but they will be stricken from the record as he didn't first ask for the "Plush pillow of proclaimment."

Would you care for a mint?
 
2011-06-10 12:36:17 PM  

Diogenes: Fox News.


Mother FARKING THIS cannot be shouted frequently enough.

Anyone who disagrees with the narrative is not just wrong anymore, they are evil and are actively working to destroy our country.
 
2011-06-10 12:38:34 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Diogenes: Fox News.

Mother FARKING THIS cannot be shouted frequently enough.

Anyone who disagrees with the narrative is not just wrong anymore, they are evil and are actively working to destroy our country.


Color me evil, Dumbass.
 
2011-06-10 12:44:34 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Color me evil, Dumbass.


Done, you worthless farkstain.
 
2011-06-10 12:51:33 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: NuttierThanEver: Diogenes: Fox News.

Mother FARKING THIS cannot be shouted frequently enough.

Anyone who disagrees with the narrative is not just wrong anymore, they are evil and are actively working to destroy our country.

Color me evil, Dumbass.


I cannot really blame you, you have been brainwashed by the lamestream media under the auspicies of George Soros.
 
2011-06-10 12:55:10 PM  
yeah, because this is new:

blueandgraytrail.com
 
2011-06-10 01:00:50 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Yep. It's obviously the right-wing's fault. Obviously.


no, it's not the fault of the entire 'right wing', but there are a number of very loud right wing pundits who do their level best to prevent civil discourse from happening in this country.
 
2011-06-10 01:22:36 PM  
How about conservatards simply quit lying about stuff, and cooperate a little bit?
 
2011-06-10 01:23:48 PM  

ArtosRC: TheDumbBlonde: Color me evil, Dumbass.

Done, you worthless farkstain.


You sound a lovely man doing his best to encourage civil discourse.
 
2011-06-10 01:26:39 PM  

gameshowhost: How about conservatards simply quit lying about stuff, and cooperate a little bit?


Ok, but lying about your penis is completely out of deal.
 
2011-06-10 01:28:13 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: You sound a lovely man doing his best to encourage civil discourse.


This is civil.
 
2011-06-10 01:39:07 PM  
No, the right wing didn't "start it," considering the bile spewed by the Left while W was still in office. But the right wing is the one pouring fuel on the fire now.

I also blame: the anonymity that the internet provides & the 24 hour news cycle.

NuttierThanEver: Anyone who disagrees with the narrative is not just wrong anymore, they are evil and are actively working to destroy our country.


OK, this turn of phrase drives me nuts. No one is actively trying to destroy this country. Both sides think they love the USA more than the other side & both sides are trying to make it better the way they think it should be done. An impasse occurs when everyone declares the other side the enemy instead of a group that can be compromised with. The people who dig their heels in and refuse to listen to any point of view besides their own ARE the ones who are destroying this country, but they're not doing it on purpose. They're doing it because they can't deal with having their beliefs questioned.
 
2011-06-10 01:48:13 PM  

Di Atribe: OK, this turn of phrase drives me nuts. No one is actively trying to destroy this country. Both sides think they love the USA more than the other side & both sides are trying to make it better the way they think it should be done.


I disagree. Corporations and their bought shills love money and power. The flag is a nice little veil.

/asshats
 
2011-06-10 01:51:41 PM  

ArtosRC: I disagree. Corporations and their bought shills love money and power. The flag is a nice little veil.


I agree that the flag IS a nice little veil for their greed and asshattery. However, I believe they love this country because it has allowed them to get away with their behavior. I promise you, they don't want to destroy anything. They want things to stay exactly as they are.
 
2011-06-10 01:59:12 PM  

Di Atribe: I agree that the flag IS a nice little veil for their greed and asshattery. However, I believe they love this country because it has allowed them to get away with their behavior. I promise you, they don't want to destroy anything. They want things to stay exactly as they are.


That is a good way to view it, I suppose. I can't argue with that.

I suppose, then, that they're destroying freedoms and liberty with non-soculizms and Jesus pandering.
 
2011-06-10 02:02:40 PM  

gameshowhost: How about conservatards simply quit lying about stuff, and cooperate a little bit?


More liberal projection. Why won't you compromise and just vote yes on all of our bills?
 
2011-06-10 02:25:11 PM  
This thread needs more eloquent language that I cannot provide. Also, a side of reason.
 
2011-06-10 02:46:16 PM  
Piss off, all y'all dumbass (political party) morons. You people are so (viciously cruel adjective) that you can't (verb describing something simple) without (expletive)ing it up. Go hide in (noun describing someplace unpleasant) and let your betters fix this (expletive)d up world. (obscene synonym for masturbators).
 
2011-06-10 03:30:51 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Good Day Gentlemen.

My name is John and I have a great distaste for every one of you fellows. You are all corpulent, feeble-minded persons who do not possess lives and spend every waking moment observing trivial photographs. Your very existence is representative for all that is bad in this world. In all honesty, have any of you ever been chosen as president of this fine new nation? I would conjecture that great amusement can be garnered from ridiculement of others because of insecurities you possess, but you elevate this to a whole new level. This is more odious than the pleasing of oneself to photographs residing on Book of Faces.

Do not be a stranger to me. Muster your greatest volley, for I am essentially the pinnacle of perfection. I resided as the second president of the United States, resisted British oppression and signed the Declaration of Independence. What actions do you perform other than "pleasing oneself to unclothed portraits of women of the orient?" I also served as Vice President to the honorable George Washington, and have an erotically stimulating wife (She just performed oral sex on my nether regions, the act was quite pleasing.) You are all jakanapes who should turn their own muskets against themselves. Thank you for your audience.

The Photograph is Related: It is me
 
2011-06-10 03:46:58 PM  
My God, we're all Americans. What happened to the ability to have a good public debate and healthy debate without all this anger and incivility?"

Bugger off you twit.
 
2011-06-10 03:50:34 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: NuttierThanEver: Diogenes: Fox News.

Mother FARKING THIS cannot be shouted frequently enough.

Anyone who disagrees with the narrative is not just wrong anymore, they are evil and are actively working to destroy our country.

Color me evil, Dumbass.


Didn't you say yesterday:

TheDumbBlonde: You are a perfect example of the problem. Can't we all stop shouting people and try to reach some sort of compromise? Name calling and vilification does America no good.

 
2011-06-10 03:51:20 PM  

Di Atribe: No, the right wing didn't "start it," considering the bile spewed by the Left while W was still in office. But the right wing is the one pouring fuel on the fire now.

I also blame: the anonymity that the internet provides & the 24 hour news cycle.

NuttierThanEver: Anyone who disagrees with the narrative is not just wrong anymore, they are evil and are actively working to destroy our country.

OK, this turn of phrase drives me nuts. No one is actively trying to destroy this country. Both sides think they love the USA more than the other side & both sides are trying to make it better the way they think it should be done. An impasse occurs when everyone declares the other side the enemy instead of a group that can be compromised with. The people who dig their heels in and refuse to listen to any point of view besides their own ARE the ones who are destroying this country, but they're not doing it on purpose. They're doing it because they can't deal with having their beliefs questioned.


I respectfully disagree - seems like the wave of incivlity begqn right around the time Clinton got elected and coincided with the rise of Gingrich. Fox and the 'net just poured gas on the fire.

You're spot on ith the last paragraph though.
 
2011-06-10 03:52:26 PM  
Teabagger legacy.
 
2011-06-10 03:53:19 PM  
why bother being civil to dumb-dumb poopyheads?
 
2011-06-10 03:57:38 PM  
Came in to laugh at people blaming 'the right' for it, leaving satisfied.

Because liberals are always calm voices of reason and tact and never scream in indignant outrage.

'But it's justified when WE do it!'

Of course, of course, keep telling yourselves that. The fact of the matter is that liberals are just as guilty of dragging down the level of debate in to screaming matches as anyone else is.
 
2011-06-10 04:00:03 PM  
Derpiness.
 
2011-06-10 04:00:09 PM  
The results showed that online liberals tend to use profanity a lot more than online
conservatives.">Link (new window)

More Liberal blogers are attending public meetings.
 
2011-06-10 04:00:14 PM  
None of this is new: Nixonland (new window). (And it wasn't really new then, though it was probably at its worst)
 
2011-06-10 04:03:55 PM  

smitty04: The results showed that online liberals tend to use profanity a lot more than online
conservatives.">Link (new window)


First, can you link to that? Second, in what way is profanity a bad thing?
 
2011-06-10 04:04:01 PM  
Civility should not be the concern compared to validity of the argument. Might we require factual statements at public meetings?
 
2011-06-10 04:05:03 PM  
Are liberals more profane than conservatives? Online, the answer seems to be yes. Profanity, those taboo words banned from the broadcast airwaves, is a feature of many people's daily lives. It's much less so in the establishment media world. TV and radio broadcasts are legally prohibited from using it, most newspapers (including this one) have traditionally refrained from its usage.

That's not the case with the Web, where bloggers and readers face no such restrictions. That likely comes as no surprise; what may be surprising, however, is to what degree profanity seems to be a feature more common on one side of the political blogosphere than the other.

Which side is that? For answers, I turned to the search engine Google to see how common swearing is in the right and left blog universes by looking up the late stand-up comic George Carlin's "seven dirty words" in the most popular blog communities.

The results showed that online liberals tend to use profanity a lot more than online conservatives.
Link (new window)
 
2011-06-10 04:05:54 PM  
The aggressive nasty shiat all goes back to Lee Atwater (new window). And while the conservatives have made it their standard operating procedure the rest of the country is not above reproach.

/i'm looking at you olbermann....a-hole
 
2011-06-10 04:07:21 PM  

smitty04: Are liberals more profane than conservatives? Online, the answer seems to be yes. Profanity, those taboo words banned from the broadcast airwaves, is a feature of many people's daily lives. It's much less so in the establishment media world. TV and radio broadcasts are legally prohibited from using it, most newspapers (including this one) have traditionally refrained from its usage.

That's not the case with the Web, where bloggers and readers face no such restrictions. That likely comes as no surprise; what may be surprising, however, is to what degree profanity seems to be a feature more common on one side of the political blogosphere than the other.

Which side is that? For answers, I turned to the search engine Google to see how common swearing is in the right and left blog universes by looking up the late stand-up comic George Carlin's "seven dirty words" in the most popular blog communities.

The results showed that online liberals tend to use profanity a lot more than online conservatives.
Link (new window)


Heh, some guy plugging in stuff into Google. And then writing to the Washington Times. Ha ha, trustworthy.
 
2011-06-10 04:07:27 PM  
The only civil person is a person with twelve guns pointed at their head.

Therefore all government meetings must be mandatory open-carry.
 
2011-06-10 04:07:30 PM  

randomjsa: Came in to laugh at people blaming 'the right' for it, leaving satisfied.

Because liberals are always calm voices of reason and tact and never scream in indignant outrage.

'But it's justified when WE do it!'

Of course, of course, keep telling yourselves that. The fact of the matter is that liberals are just as guilty of dragging down the level of debate in to screaming matches as anyone else is.


Guilty but not "just as guilty" if we're being honest.
 
2011-06-10 04:10:05 PM  
smitty04

Well, yeah I'm a liberal and I swear like a sailor. I'm an industrial worker who works with various crafts of union guys what do you want? I have to swear just to keep up!

That being said what does swearing have to do with civil discourse? You can swear without being upset. Swearing can be emphasis or a way to relieve stress. It doesn't mean you're upset with party X, exactly.

While we're on this topic, Stephen Fry on the Joys of Swearing (new window)
 
2011-06-10 04:10:05 PM  
"My God, we're all Americans. What happened to the ability to have a good public debate and healthy debate without all this anger and incivility?"

amsam.org

www.americanprogress.org
 
2011-06-10 04:11:10 PM  

RevLovejoy: Di Atribe: No, the right wing didn't "start it," considering the bile spewed by the Left while W was still in office. But the right wing is the one pouring fuel on the fire now.

I also blame: the anonymity that the internet provides & the 24 hour news cycle.

NuttierThanEver: Anyone who disagrees with the narrative is not just wrong anymore, they are evil and are actively working to destroy our country.

OK, this turn of phrase drives me nuts. No one is actively trying to destroy this country. Both sides think they love the USA more than the other side & both sides are trying to make it better the way they think it should be done. An impasse occurs when everyone declares the other side the enemy instead of a group that can be compromised with. The people who dig their heels in and refuse to listen to any point of view besides their own ARE the ones who are destroying this country, but they're not doing it on purpose. They're doing it because they can't deal with having their beliefs questioned.

I respectfully disagree - seems like the wave of incivlity begqn right around the time Clinton got elected and coincided with the rise of Gingrich. Fox and the 'net just poured gas on the fire.

You're spot on ith the last paragraph though.


Lee Atwater says brrrraaaaaainnnnssss
 
2011-06-10 04:11:14 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Piss off, all y'all dumbass (political party) morons. You people are so (viciously cruel adjective) that you can't (verb describing something simple) without (expletive)ing it up. Go hide in (noun describing someplace unpleasant) and let your betters fix this (expletive)d up world. (obscene synonym for masturbators).


The mad libs thread was yesterday, but what the hell, sure.

Refartlican/Down-syndrome chamber-pot piss-boy ignorant/give money away/doublemonkeyfarkdamn/your mother's stank anus/coont/hairy-palmed cyclops wrestlers
 
2011-06-10 04:16:44 PM  
I think it isn't so much right versus left as it is the tendency of baby boomers to act like spoiled, greedy little shiats who go ape when they perceive that someone is trying to make them share the toys they didn't pay for to begin with. It just seems like a right versus left issue because right wing media openly panders to this demographic.
 
2011-06-10 04:18:11 PM  
I believe that the larger the vocabulary, the greater the ability to adapt one's conversation to the required norm. I can be the perfect chamaeleon. In business meetings or in front of my great-aunt I am eloquent and mannered. Down the Bar with my friends watching UK, I adopt a somewhat more agricultural turn of phrase. The critical factor is that I feel perfectly able to express myself using either form of communication.
 
2011-06-10 04:21:24 PM  

RevLovejoy: I respectfully disagree - seems like the wave of incivlity begqn right around the time Clinton got elected and coincided with the rise of Gingrich. Fox and the 'net just poured gas on the fire.


Possibly. To be fair, I was 16 when Clinton got elected. I wasn't paying much attention to politics as I was very concerned about my hair, boys, & lip gloss. No room for politics there, no sirree.

RevLovejoy: You're spot on ith the last paragraph though.


Thanks! I think it's amazing how much can get done when we actually listen to the other side instead of only listening for things to argue with.
 
2011-06-10 04:22:49 PM  
Hilarious, a couple years ago the GOP was saying people bringing guns and making thinly veiled threats was a good part of democracy and now when they are on the other end "People must give me respect and not say anything bad about me".

Man Republicans are such pussies.
 
2011-06-10 04:23:21 PM  
The right-wing DID start it. Rush Limbaugh was the trailblazer. He invented "femi-nazi" among other terms. He became a national sensation (back when most people still listened to radios at work) and he is the man we can all point to. Guys like Morton Downey Jr did their part, but Rush was the first, the loudest, and the most successful.

So shut up, TheDumbBlonde. You sicken me as a Florida fan with your endless dimwit rantings about how stupid you are.
 
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