But do they have a culinary arts program? Because I could totally go for some Gunpowder Falafel.

Ahh, the ads on Arutz Sheva. Fundamentalists complaining about fundamentalists.

Modmins got trolled again? Color me socked.

Sounds way more badass than most camps. Do they have a secular option?

fireclown: Sounds way more badass than most camps. Do they have a secular option?

Yes but you have to hold the targets.

Islamic fun centers like these exist in many places far from any Palestinian territory. I believe we should give credit to our politicians for welcoming huge numbers of people from this amazing culture to live among us in the western world.

fireclown: Sounds way more badass than most camps. Do they have a secular option?

Yes, they have the Kafir Kamp down the street, where you get to be used as a target for all that pent up Muslim angst.

Meh...just more heavy propaganda...

Wouldnt joining the US Army be considered a "terrorist training camp" as well? Just saying

Hey Kids do you want to learn genuine IslamicChristian values, paramilitary training, and explosive making this summer? then look no further than HamasNorth Dakota Militia Summer Camp for children of all ages

Slight difference: the Hamas camp exists.

And one time at bomb camp...

ocschwar: Hey Kids do you want to learn genuine IslamicChristian values, paramilitary training, and explosive making this summer? then look no further than HamasNorth Dakota Militia Summer Camp for children of all ages

Slight difference: the Hamas camp exists.

Jesus Camp

It got closed down though.

Party Boy: Ahh, the ads on Arutz Sheva. Fundamentalists complaining about fundamentalists.

I did not know that there were Jewish forms of those "pray the gay away" coonts. I guess you do learn something horrifying every day.

/Jewish and deeply embarrassed to be associated with bigots as a result

LaserShark: ocschwar: Hey Kids do you want to learn genuine IslamicChristian values, paramilitary training, and explosive making this summer? then look no further than HamasNorth Dakota Militia Summer Camp for children of all ages

Slight difference: the Hamas camp exists.

Jesus Camp

It got closed down though.

Don't recall them lauding or encouraging suicide bombers.

LaserShark: ocschwar: Hey Kids do you want to learn genuine IslamicChristian values, paramilitary training, and explosive making this summer? then look no further than HamasNorth Dakota Militia Summer Camp for children of all ages

Slight difference: the Hamas camp exists.

Jesus Camp

It got closed down though.

You know, i'm actually somewhat impressed that they link to negative reviews as well as positive ones.

shiat like this is why I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. I also wouldn't care if Israel bombed the shiat out of those camps filled with children future terrorists. Don't want your children to die by the thousands? Then quit teaching them blind hate and how to kill the Jews for Allah.

I am all for a peaceful solution, but there can be no peaceful solution when one side doesn't want peace. this shiat has been going on way too long. Israel and the western world has tried every which way to make peace with them. Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. When will we take them at their word that they will never give up, and never stop waging jihad until the last Jew has been pushed into the sea. Is it really wrong to kill them all when they all they want is to kill all of you? and your the only one who actually wants peace? The saying is true that If all the Arabs had no weapons, there would be peace, but if Israel had no weapons, there would be no Israel.

I am not saying that we should kill all the Palestinians. Just that killing them all may be the only solution that would ever work. The only other alternative I see is to just deal with the constant fighting for ever, because again, you cant have peace with someone who wants your head.

Aaawww the religion of peace keeps on giving, making the world, a better place.

Besides the Jew hating death to America stuff it sounds like a kick ass camp. Just sub camels with horses and bows with AK's.

I don't think people posting here realize how common it is in the US for kids to be sent to similar camps. I know lots of people who send their teens to survivalist type camps where they practice shooting and self-defense. The indoctrination varies, but is usually a mix of patriotism, racism, and Christian fundamental thinking. I bet there are more American kids going through such camps this summer than Arab kids.

Also, I personally don't think Hamas is in the wrong. If a fundamentalist country like Israel or Iran was occupying the US, I'd be out there training to kill them too. Insurgency is not wrong in their case.

jabelar: I don't think people posting here realize how common it is in the US for kids to be sent to similar camps. I know lots of people who send their teens to survivalist type camps where they practice shooting and self-defense. The indoctrination varies, but is usually a mix of patriotism, racism, and Christian fundamental thinking. I bet there are more American kids going through such camps this summer than Arab kids.

Also, I personally don't think Hamas is in the wrong. If a fundamentalist country like Israel or Iran was occupying the US, I'd be out there training to kill them too. Insurgency is not wrong in their case.

No, you are wrong. In this case there never was a Palestine, and the Israelis where given that land by others. They also don't just hate the Jews because they are on the land. They hate them first and foremost because they are Jews and Jews are devil dogs and Allah demands their death.

But lets say your right for the sake of argument, and the Jews really are unfairly occupying their ancestral homeland that they have successfully defended in wars they didn't start.. If there was a people on your land that wanted to work with you and live in peace and give you land back, would you really be out there training to kill them? I really doubt that.

liam76: Don't recall them lauding or encouraging suicide bombers.

The US has a professional military to sic on the infidels, we don't need suicide bombers. And yes, that's what the Christianist right lauds.

Maul555: I am all for a peaceful solution, but there can be no peaceful solution when one side doesn't want peace. this shiat has been going on way too long. Israel and the western world has tried every which way to make peace with them. Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. When will we take them at their word that they will never give up, and never stop waging jihad until the last Jew has been pushed into the sea. Is it really wrong to kill them all when they all they want is to kill all of you? and your the only one who actually wants peace? The saying is true that If all the Arabs had no weapons, there would be peace, but if Israel had no weapons, there would be no Israel.

I am not saying that we should kill all the Palestinians. Just that killing them all may be the only solution that would ever work. The only other alternative I see is to just deal with the constant fighting for ever, because again, you cant have peace with someone who wants your head.

The Israelis are just as fundamentalist -- have you actually seen documentaries on the Jewish settlers in the region, or watched the hawkish, hardline leaders in Israel, or read about their military training and focus? And the reason the Arabs hate them is because they stole the land and then oppressed them, so you can't blame them for that. If suddently a bunch of religious foreigners came into my state and kicked us out, I'd fight them endlessly too. Wouldn't you??

Anyway, why do you care about them having peace? I say they are equally crazy and let them fight it out. The only reason we've been impacted is because of our mistake of supporting Israel.

TofuTheAlmighty: liam76: Don't recall them lauding or encouraging suicide bombers.

The US has a professional military to sic on the infidels, we don't need suicide bombers. And yes, that's what the Christianist right lauds.

Thanks for making it easy to pick out a troll...

/and the ignore list grows by 1

jabelar: Maul555: I am all for a peaceful solution, but there can be no peaceful solution when one side doesn't want peace. this shiat has been going on way too long. Israel and the western world has tried every which way to make peace with them. Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. When will we take them at their word that they will never give up, and never stop waging jihad until the last Jew has been pushed into the sea. Is it really wrong to kill them all when they all they want is to kill all of you? and your the only one who actually wants peace? The saying is true that If all the Arabs had no weapons, there would be peace, but if Israel had no weapons, there would be no Israel.

I am not saying that we should kill all the Palestinians. Just that killing them all may be the only solution that would ever work. The only other alternative I see is to just deal with the constant fighting for ever, because again, you cant have peace with someone who wants your head.

The Israelis are just as fundamentalist -- have you actually seen documentaries on the Jewish settlers in the region, or watched the hawkish, hardline leaders in Israel, or read about their military training and focus? And the reason the Arabs hate them is because they stole the land and then oppressed them, so you can't blame them for that. If suddently a bunch of religious foreigners came into my state and kicked us out, I'd fight them endlessly too. Wouldn't you??

Anyway, why do you care about them having peace? I say they are equally crazy and let them fight it out. The only reason we've been impacted is because of our mistake of supporting Israel.

I care because they are our natural allies. I care because we are responsible for their situation. I care because Israel is a thriving free democracy in a sea of shiat. They have turned the desert green and shown the world the follies of its hateful past, which is filled with blind jew hating. I support Israel because the world has proven, time and time again, that nobody will raise a finger to protect them until its too late. so yeah... I look as Israel as a guarantee that the Jewish people will never again have to be saved from the worst of the world, at the cost of thousands of American lives.

Yeah, sure dude. Lets just equate a small group of fundamentalists who have at most a hand full of actualy violent actions, and lets equate them with the general population of other countries taking the fundamentalist stance as mainstream. Because I'm sure its totally the same. I can see that you are one of those people who trembles at the thought of Christians... I have a friend like you, he loves Noam Chomsky, who is just as much a fundamentalist while crying to high heaven about the dangers of the massive christian coalition that will destroy this country in a hail of holy fire!

jabelar: I don't think people posting here realize how common it is in the US for kids to be sent to similar camps. I know lots of people who send their teens to survivalist type camps where they practice shooting and self-defense. The indoctrination varies, but is usually a mix of patriotism, racism, and Christian fundamental thinking. I bet there are more American kids going through such camps this summer than Arab kids.

Also, I personally don't think Hamas is in the wrong. If a fundamentalist country like Israel or Iran was occupying the US, I'd be out there training to kill them too. Insurgency is not wrong in their case.

Like the Eagle Scouts? Wolverines!!!!!

Looks like Liam76/Gato Negro/Tatsuma got yet another handle.

/Mual555 to the ignore list.

good, I don't want to talk to anybody who thinks I'm tatsuma anyways...

Shincox: And Christian camps also train kids to convert by rape: Link (new window), right, libs?

Can't you discern good from evil? It's easy if you try.

Nope. They live in a world where everyone's opinions are just as valid as the next persons. Where there is no good and evil, only shades of grey. Where anything can be justified in the name of tolerance and fairness.

Maul555: I care because they are our natural allies.

They are not natural allies. The only reason we need them as an ally is because we created enemies by being their ally. Self-fulfilling prophesy.

I care because we are responsible for their situation.

No. They're the ones who convinced everyone that they had a right to the "promised land". The natural response after the war was to give them citizenship in US or other allied countries. Heck we could have carved a chunk out of Canada. The idea that they should be in the middle east at all was due to their religious fundamentalism. Most of the Jewish people weren't even Arab at that point -- they were European Jews.

Our only responsibility was the mistake of listening to them.

I care because Israel is a thriving free democracy in a sea of shiat.

Those places weren't so bad before this situation arose. Many were already coming out of colonial rule and had British (and other European) styled democracy. Palestine would likely be democratic if it wasn't occupied.

They have turned the desert green and shown the world the follies of its hateful past, which is filled with blind jew hating.

Um no. They've become what they hated -- militant, hard-hearted and fueled by fundamentalist principle that they are superior to everyone else.

I look as Israel as a guarantee that the Jewish people will never again have to be saved from the worst of the world

Israel is the wrong place to look for that guarantee. It puts them in the most likely place to be hated and attacked. I'd look to Jews that are living and contributing to US, Canada, etc. as that.

at the cost of thousands of American lives.

This wasn't the primary focus of American involvement in WWII. It certainly helped fuel our animosity for the Germans, but the scale of what was happening to the Jews was only really realized at the end of the war.

// by the way, I'm Jewish (living in California). Just think the Israel thing is a big mistake, and that continuing to support a mistake is also a mistake.

jabelar: Maul555: I care because they are our natural allies.

They are not natural allies. The only reason we need them as an ally is because we created enemies by being their ally. Self-fulfilling prophesy.

I care because we are responsible for their situation.

No. They're the ones who convinced everyone that they had a right to the "promised land". The natural response after the war was to give them citizenship in US or other allied countries. Heck we could have carved a chunk out of Canada. The idea that they should be in the middle east at all was due to their religious fundamentalism. Most of the Jewish people weren't even Arab at that point -- they were European Jews.

Our only responsibility was the mistake of listening to them.

I care because Israel is a thriving free democracy in a sea of shiat.

Those places weren't so bad before this situation arose. Many were already coming out of colonial rule and had British (and other European) styled democracy. Palestine would likely be democratic if it wasn't occupied.

They have turned the desert green and shown the world the follies of its hateful past, which is filled with blind jew hating.

Um no. They've become what they hated -- militant, hard-hearted and fueled by fundamentalist principle that they are superior to everyone else.

I look as Israel as a guarantee that the Jewish people will never again have to be saved from the worst of the world

Israel is the wrong place to look for that guarantee. It puts them in the most likely place to be hated and attacked. I'd look to Jews that are living and contributing to US, Canada, etc. as that.

at the cost of thousands of American lives.

This wasn't the primary focus of American involvement in WWII. It certainly helped fuel our animosity for the Germans, but the scale of what was happening to the Jews was only really realized at the end of the war.

// by the way, I'm Jewish (living in California). Just think the Israel thing is a big mistake, and that continuing to support a mistake is also a mistake.

No, they ARE our natural allies. They are a western democracy. We roll together, its just the way it is. And pissing off crazy people should never be a reason not to do something.

Really, you think that place would be all sunshine and rainbows if Israel was never created? When there are no infidels to kill, muslims in that part of the world usually go back to killing each other over whose version is right... .

Also, no Israel has not become what they hate. They have made some pretty big mistakes, but that doesn't change the fact that they are acting in self defense and are actively pursuing peace. You cant say that about the Palestinians. They have intentionally made horrible moves, and are actively trying to thwart peace.

And yes, the persecution of the Jews was quite a big deal once we knew for sure that the rumors where quite a bit more than rumors. Also, no matter what you think about Israels creation, it is counter-productive to pretend that they don't live there, have lives, and will defend themselves. Israel is here, get used to it. The Palestinians haven't accepted that little fact yet, and that's the source of the problems. Removing Israel at this point is about as practical as Mexico taking back their old territories back from the US. Whats been done has been done. Move on, find peace. You love to point fingers and assign blame and say that it shouldn't ever have happened and the Palestinians have a right to be pissed. Well fine, be pissed, but don't ignore the facts and use your anger as a reason for why continued violence is ok from the Palestinians.. The only people that can help the Palestinians are the Palestinians. It doesn't matter what Israel does short of committing national suicide. They just refuse to accept reality, and they are damned murderous about it.

do you even know what western democracy means? It means that Israelis are more like you and me than any other group on the planet. They live lives similar to ours, hold the same values, and have the same hopes and dreams. They are more like us than the entire continent of Africa, minus south Africa. They are more like us than every country on the Asian continent. They are more like us than any country in the middle east (except Israel of course) They are more like us than anyone in south America... I could go on... They are our friends, and America doesn't abandon its friends. At least I hope we never do. But people like you would love for us to abandon our ideals, at least, that's what you sound like to me. Which makes it even stranger that you are Jewish, and hold the opinion that you do. From my perspective, you have bought into the hamass propaganda war. You know those people right? The ones that get children killed so the cameras can film the atrocities of Israel.

Let me break it down even further... Israel belongs in the following list:

United States of America
Canada
Iceland
Australia
United Kingdom
France
Germany
Austria
Belgium
Greece
Italy
Netherlands
Spain
Greenland
Israel

There are more, but I will let you figure out why they are on that list... Its not really freaking hard.

And because I apparently have to spell it out for you, there is currently a global struggle going on between civilizations. Its larger than the US or Israel. Islamic fundamentalism sees ALL Western Democracies as a threat. You think they would stop with Israel. Israel would just be their first casualty if we stand by and do nothing. there is a quote, I forget who said it, but its true. "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing"... Maybe you should think about that for a bit instead of being so quick to choose Israel as the cause of all the problems...

I am guessing that you didnt watch Benjamin Netanyahu's address to Congress a couple of weeks ago. The man is a true statesman and puts both Bush and Obama to shame. Give it a watch, you might just learn something. He didn't say a single word that wasn't true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BaMLlnb_KI (new window)

Unspoken voice is speaking. I recommend a name change pronto!

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