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(Talking Points Memo)   Republican Senate candidate Hasner turns hypocrisy to 11 by attacking opponent for supporting cap-and-trade plan HE helped to write   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2011-06-09 05:19:25 PM  
Meh. Didn't the Republicans recently write a bill they disagreed with just so they could vote it down? That's gotta be at least a three on a scale of this-ness.
 
2011-06-09 06:47:28 PM  

actualhuman: Meh. Didn't the Republicans recently write a bill they disagreed with just so they could vote it down? That's gotta be at least a three on a scale of this-ness.


Not nearly as hypocritical.

The GOP didn't introduce the debt ceiling bill and then vote it down because it was politically convenient. They wrote the bill for the express purpose of defeating it; that is, it was a ploy to embarrass Democrats.

In the case of cap and trade, Hasner actually actively SUPPORTED the legislation and now is disavowing it because it's unpopular among Republicans.

Other Republicans who have done this: Gingrich and health care mandates. Hell, Gingrich's whole position today is that he didn't really support a mandate because it was good policy...he supported it because it was good politics at the time: That was a clip from 1993, when in fact, the conservative position was to have individual insurance, in opposition to Hillarycare -- because she wanted everybody to be in government -- but let's get that out of the way, okay?

/why am I even talking about Gingrich?
//After today's news, I'm pretty sure he's on a fast train to nowhere
 
2011-06-09 06:47:48 PM  
I seem to recall one of the big players in the GOP doing this some months back.
 
2011-06-09 07:16:18 PM  
I can't blame him. A lot of smart people have fallen for the hoax. At least he has seen his error.
 
2011-06-09 07:27:21 PM  
By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.
 
2011-06-09 07:32:14 PM  

HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.


Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?
 
2011-06-09 07:38:26 PM  
Wyalt Derp :

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

You derped out on me............. wut? Oh yea, yes, both sides = evil.
 
2011-06-09 07:39:40 PM  

Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?


So who should I vote for?!
 
2011-06-09 07:49:12 PM  

Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!


Vote for any of the other viable parties, the Libertarians, the Tea Party... and if none of those are on the ballot, then the GOP.
Cuz you're independent that way.
 
2011-06-09 07:54:03 PM  
Conservatives are all either deeply ignorant or willfully disingenuous. Yes, that means you.
 
2011-06-09 07:55:52 PM  
Hollie Maea:
Conservatives Republicans and Democrats are all either deeply ignorant or willfully disingenuous. Yes, that means you.
 
2011-06-09 07:58:31 PM  

HotSalsaZoot: Hollie Maea:
Conservatives Republicans and Democrats are all either deeply ignorant or willfully disingenuous. Yes, that means you.


It's so edgy to say that all politicians suck. They only suck because voters punish those who don't. But screaming "both sides are the same" is just intellectual laziness.
 
2011-06-09 07:59:20 PM  

Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?


So vote Republican.
 
2011-06-09 08:04:25 PM  
So, I'm supposed to be surprised that Americans still support the GOP? Meh, half of our nation's population has below-average intelligence.
 
2011-06-09 08:07:12 PM  

HotSalsaZoot: Hollie Maea:
Conservatives Republicans and Democrats are all either deeply ignorant or willfully disingenuous. Yes, that means you.


We get it. You're blazingly independent.
 
2011-06-09 08:07:48 PM  

Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!


Traficant.
 
2011-06-09 08:10:55 PM  
Gotta love how when a Dem is a shiathead, it reflects poorly on Dems, but when a Rep is a shiathead, it reflects poorly on Reps and Dems. Cuz both sidez are teh bad.
 
2011-06-09 08:12:44 PM  

sprawl15: Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!

Traficant.



*golf clap*
 
2011-06-09 08:16:57 PM  
sprawl15:
Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!

Traficant.


Jimmy has extra deep derp and a bird on his head, so yes, you're point is invalid.
 
2011-06-09 08:26:03 PM  

Hollie Maea: HotSalsaZoot: Hollie Maea:
Conservatives Republicans and Democrats are all either deeply ignorant or willfully disingenuous. Yes, that means you.

It's so edgy to say that all politicians suck. They only suck because voters punish those who don't. But screaming "both sides are the same" is just intellectual laziness.


Republicans suck... In airport bathrooms.
 
2011-06-09 08:28:10 PM  

Lord_Baull: So, I'm supposed to be surprised that Americans still support the GOP? Meh, half of our nation's population has below-average intelligence.


I chuckled. Bravo.
 
2011-06-09 08:37:50 PM  

Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!


The Witch-King of Angmar.
 
2011-06-09 08:51:43 PM  

HotSalsaZoot: sprawl15:
Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!

Traficant.

Jimmy has extra deep derp and a bird on his head, so yes, you're point is invalid.


No, you are.
 
2011-06-09 08:53:29 PM  
thepatriotaxe.com
 
2011-06-09 09:27:24 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Gotta love how when a Dem is a shiathead, it reflects poorly on Dems, but when a Rep is a shiathead, it reflects poorly on Reps and Dems. Cuz both sidez are teh bad.


Ain't it the truth...and don't forget to vote republican because they are the party of personal responsibility.
 
2011-06-09 09:50:38 PM  

Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!


Cthulhu of course.

Why vote for a lesser evil.
 
2011-06-09 10:09:55 PM  
I think I fell asleep while reading that article
 
2011-06-09 10:48:21 PM  
both sides are bad. but both sides are not the same.

still, dont vote for any of the farkers.
 
2011-06-09 10:51:18 PM  

Ned Stark: both sides are bad. but both sides are not the same.

still, dont vote for any of the farkers.


your name finally makes sense to me. Great show, even better book.
 
2011-06-09 10:52:15 PM  

Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?


Yes. Both sides are bad. Just not in equal amounts. The Dems are like a mild sunburn in badness. The GOP are more along the lines of skin cancer.
 
2011-06-09 10:52:36 PM  
 
2011-06-09 10:56:07 PM  

Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!


I finally put him on ignore. What is the point of reading the same thing over and over? I got it the first time - he can't defend the Republicans, but he can say Democrats are just as bad with no evidence what so ever to back it up. Maybe he's doing it tongue-in-cheek but so what - even if I really like a book, I don't read the first sentence over and over again.
 
2011-06-09 11:37:15 PM  

eraser8: . Hell, Gingrich's whole position today is that he didn't really support a mandate because it was good policy...he supported it because it was good politics at the time: That was a clip from 1993, when in fact, the conservative position was to have individual insurance, in opposition to Hillarycare -- because she wanted everybody to be in government -- but let's get that out of the way, okay?


The funny thing is that's probably actually the truth.

All this talk about how Obama implemented a "Republican health care plan" is nonsense.

Republicans controlled everything from 2003-2007. We already got to see what the Republican health care plan was: do nothing and maintain the status quo.
 
2011-06-10 12:23:32 AM  
Hasn't cap-and-trade actually been reasonably successful by most metrics? I mean, it's not as effective as direct regulation, but we save a lot of money by having the companies do most of the legwork themselves.

I mean, most of the stuff that's used as a boogeyman by the right-wing has actual downsides (socialized medicine's impact on pharma, oil extraction limitations hurting local economies, NAFTA hurting domestic labor a bit, etc)... it just seems odd that they'd pick on something that, historically, has had basically no downsides.

The CO2 cap-and-trade stuff specifically is kind of silly, but that's because it's an attempt to regulate CO2 (good bloody luck) not because it's C&T specifically.
 
2011-06-10 12:26:44 AM  
Cognitive dissonance is the oxygen republicans breathe.
 
2011-06-10 01:53:09 AM  
So, lemme get this striaght.

Senator Obama becomes president Obama and changes his mind on, say, things like the war on terror and support for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush tax cuts and he is doing it becasue he kept an open mind.

A republican changes his mind and he's the world's biggest hypocrite.

I see how that works...so vote democrat?

LOLOL

Liberal logic defies me I guess.
 
2011-06-10 07:17:57 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The CO2 cap-and-trade stuff specifically is kind of silly, but that's because it's an attempt to regulate CO2 (good bloody luck) not because it's C&T specifically.


A carbon tax would work better and have less bureaucratic overhead, but sometimes you go with what you're given. And "cap and trade" doesn't contain the evil word "tax".
 
2011-06-10 07:19:13 AM  

WaffleStomper: So, lemme get this striaght.

Senator Obama becomes president Obama and changes his mind on, say, things like the war on terror and support for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush tax cuts and he is doing it becasue he kept an open mind.


No, he's still an asshat for doing all those things. However, that's not gonna convince me to vote for Palin.
 
2011-06-10 07:24:43 AM  

theorellior: WaffleStomper: So, lemme get this striaght.

Senator Obama becomes president Obama and changes his mind on, say, things like the war on terror and support for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush tax cuts and he is doing it becasue he kept an open mind.

No, he's still an asshat for doing all those things. However, that's not gonna convince me to vote for Palin.


He said he would do those things in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2011-06-10 07:38:45 AM  

WaffleStomper: So, lemme get this striaght...


Well, your example doesn't work too well, but regardless.

You're assuming that simply 'changing support for an bill' is less obnoxious than 'changing support for a bill he helped write, worked on nigh-identical legislation at the state level, etc'.
 
2011-06-10 08:29:50 AM  
Keep an eye on Adam Hasner. This man is presidential material.
 
2011-06-10 08:58:57 AM  

Halli: He said he would do those things in Iraq and Afghanistan.


I'm still not terribly pleased with them, but that doesn't change the basic point. ; )
 
2011-06-10 09:35:41 AM  

skullkrusher: Ned Stark: both sides are bad. but both sides are not the same.

still, dont vote for any of the farkers.

your name finally makes sense to me.


In what way, Charlie? Holding an apparently virtuous but effectively useless philosophical position on governance?
 
2011-06-10 10:03:31 AM  
It's outrageous that he should be allowed to change his mind after it was revealed that he and everyone else had been lied to about the existence of man-made climate change.
 
2011-06-10 10:40:22 AM  

skullkrusher: your name finally makes sense to me. Great show, even better book.


WOAH you can read? Look at the big brain on this guy....
 
2011-06-11 12:19:22 AM  

sprawl15: Quasar: Wyalt Derp: HotSalsaZoot: By God, I'm only saying it ONE more time: Republicans are lying cocksuckers. Democrats are lying cocksuckers. Got it? Good.

Wait, you're saying both sides are bad?

So who should I vote for?!

Traficant.


He would have gotten my vote, if just for the lulz.
 
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