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2011-06-07 03:10:21 AM
And orthorexics are not only very careful about what they eat, but they over-exercise, too.

Looks like I'm in the clear on this one.
 
2011-06-07 07:37:04 AM
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When the Orthorexic is dead, Magua will eat his heart, because it will be healthy, lean meat.
 
2011-06-07 07:39:59 AM
"Ortho- (prefix): Prefix meaning straight or erect."
"-orexia, suffix meaning "(condition of the) appetite"

Someone who's hungry for something erect?
 
2011-06-07 07:41:37 AM
I believe there is a vegetable for every addiction.

Health is good, obsession is bad. But in the greater scheme of things there are worse disorders than healthy eating and lots of exercise :)
 
2011-06-07 08:08:09 AM
I don't try and eat healthy. But I do try and eat in proper proportions and I take a daily multi-vitamin for everything else.
 
2011-06-07 08:18:25 AM
what's wrong with cutting sugar out or exercising?
 
2011-06-07 08:18:37 AM
I eat what I want, greasy philly cheese steak and all. My only diet plan is too make sure to eat a good amount of vegetable and exercise goes to the gyms at least 3 times a week.

I think vitamin tablet is silly, but what do I know.
 
2011-06-07 08:23:50 AM
So THAT'S what a woman reaching for food in the fridge might look like. Interesting.

*takes notes*
 
2011-06-07 08:34:13 AM

pup.socket: what's wrong with cutting sugar out or exercising?


Nothing, but that's not orthorexia.

My mother's quite the health nut, taking various herbs and supplements, but I'm not worried because she still eats wholesome meals. Methinks these orthorexics are the people who think of organic uncooked broccoli as merely the least of a great many evils so their diet consists of a bizarre mix of hippiefomercial herbs, hand-grown vegetables and a few foul-tasting staples, like organic unfavored tofu or uncooked whole grain rice.

Honestly, aren't most disorders of this kind (anorexia, OCD, orthorexia) simply a lack of ability to "ground" a perspective in context? When one sees a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 AND 10 are bad, a mentally healthy person realizes that 5 is probably where the needle should be, and develops negative feedback mechanisms to avoid extremes. A lot of crazy people, regardless of their specific addiction, simply lack the ability to do that. If 1 is bad, then 10 must be good. If 10 is also bad, then it's conflicting information and the world sucks because it's all so confusing. These people are incapable of moderation because they can't wire any baselines into their heads. They're all POSITIVE-feedback, so whatever they do spirals out of control. Help them crack one addition without addressing the underlying cause and they'll just find another obsession.

/ Know a few people with no self-control
// They'll overdo anything
 
2011-06-07 08:35:24 AM

DiogenesCynic: Someone who's hungry for something erect?


*Obvious penis joke*
 
kth
2011-06-07 08:45:54 AM
FTFA: Sufferers may start off by choosing to eat only organic produce, following celebrity fad diets, or trying out a health cleanse like the maple syrup detox diet, which helped Beyonce lose 20lbs. "

OK, maybe if we're trying to discourage behavior, calling it a health cleanse, and pointing out a celebrity who lost 20 pounds that way is not the best way to stop it.
 
2011-06-07 08:46:04 AM

Honest Bender: But I do try and eat in proper proportions and I take a daily multi-vitamin for everything else.


There's little evidence to suggest you're doing anything but wasting your money on vitamins unless you have a specific condition or deficiency you're treating according to a doctor's instructions. Especially if you're not eating right anyway since the complex compounds in the foods you're not eating aren't to be found in the pills.
 
2011-06-07 08:48:46 AM
I'm guilty as charged, but I'm middle aged and I like to look good ...
 
2011-06-07 08:49:36 AM
Eat healthy what?

Most of what I eat is dead.
 
2011-06-07 08:52:14 AM
When everyone is farking fat, being different is "unhealthy"
/ love my eating disorder, my clothes love it more.
// actually know a thing or three about nutritional needs, and mine are met every day.
/// There's a lot of things that if you're doin' it wrong, can be harmful or fatal, like crossing the street.
 
2011-06-07 09:08:00 AM
Everybody associated with this article sounds fat and guilty.
 
2011-06-07 09:12:08 AM

SuperMeekrat: When everyone is farking fat, being different is "unhealthy"


This.

/something's wrong with me - I like exercising
//my legs are starting to have defined muscles, I'm too far gone
///goodbye, everyone, I have to leave you all...in about 26 minutes
 
2011-06-07 09:12:39 AM
Orthorexia nervosa has a nice ring to it. I think I've found my new alt's name.
 
2011-06-07 09:16:09 AM
So be it, I'm Orthorexic. Well fark it I guess I'm gonna just have to live longer (improve the odds of it anyway) than all the non-orthos. Sonofabiatch.

I do love the looks I get when I tell people I eat Paleo. BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT MEATTTT!?
 
2011-06-07 09:17:46 AM
This was a stupid article. It might be a real problem for some people, but you'd never no from this awful piece. I had to check wikipedia to actually learn anything about it.
 
2011-06-07 09:26:30 AM
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What a woman reaching for food in the fridge may look like.
 
2011-06-07 09:29:14 AM

TravisBickle62: I'm guilty as charged, but I'm middle aged and I like to look good ...


Pics or it didn't happen.
 
2011-06-07 09:29:28 AM

Zik-Zak: SuperMeekrat: When everyone is farking fat, being different is "unhealthy"

This.

/something's wrong with me - I like exercising
//my legs are starting to have defined muscles, I'm too far gone
///goodbye, everyone, I have to leave you all...in about 26 minutes


I know.. can't wait for my cousin's wedding for the "are you on heroin" or "are you ill" comments.
/Have another shot of potato salad and a line of frosting, there, fatty.
// Good for you! Keep going!
 
2011-06-07 09:30:51 AM
Yeah, like she's going to eat all those peppers like they are apples.

What is she going to have, an onion and peppers sandwich, with orange juice?

Onion and orange juice, mmmmmm, what a combo!!
 
2011-06-07 09:35:26 AM
FTA "orthorexia sufferers fixate on the type and quality of it."

I admit that I must be orthorexia as I do track my calorie consumption and quality/quantity of food eaten. I'll also admit that I enjoy working out and biking and now join a group bike ride every Tuesday and Sunday. You know what, the article is correct something horrible happened to me after I tracked my food and exercised ! My weight dropped over 40 pounds and all my clothes no longer fit, hell my pants are a paltry 32" now help me!

//article writer sounds fat
 
2011-06-07 09:36:03 AM

star_topology: So be it, I'm Orthorexic. Well fark it I guess I'm gonna just have to live longer (improve the odds of it anyway) than all the non-orthos. Sonofabiatch.

I do love the looks I get when I tell people I eat Paleo. BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT MEATTTT!?


"I'll have the meat with a side order of more meat, please"
 
2011-06-07 09:37:00 AM

Pick: Yeah, like she's going to eat all those peppers like they are apples.

What is she going to have, an onion and peppers sandwich, with orange juice?

Onion and orange juice, mmmmmm, what a combo!!


Looks like that fridge has the makings of a good salad right there. Just chuck in some boiled egg, cheese, chicken, blue cheese dressing and slices of salami and she just might be on to something.
 
2011-06-07 09:39:10 AM
Having taken a good look around, I can assure everyone that this is not a widespread problem.
 
2011-06-07 09:39:20 AM

Pick: Yeah, like she's going to eat all those peppers like they are apples.

What is she going to have, an onion and peppers sandwich, with orange juice?

Onion and orange juice, mmmmmm, what a combo!!


Your fridge only has two shelves? >_>
 
2011-06-07 09:40:41 AM
She's purty!
 
2011-06-07 09:41:58 AM

Sybarite: Having taken a good look around, I can assure everyone that this is not a widespread problem.

^^^

This made my morning!
 
2011-06-07 09:58:04 AM

xanadian: What a woman reaching for food having her cleavage blocked by OJ in the fridge may look like.


/You notice what you want to notice, I'll notice what I want to notice
 
2011-06-07 09:58:21 AM
I have an amigo that could be "diagnosed" with this. He's about as evangelical about it as some christian folks. Because of this I always make sure to order a double cheeseburger rather than single-pattied burger.
 
2011-06-07 09:58:40 AM
"It's a hidden disorder, disguised by the healthy eating tag, but I'm recognising it in more people year on year."

We have a 'healthy eating' tag?
 
2011-06-07 09:59:52 AM

Pick: Yeah, like she's going to eat all those peppers like they are apples.


If she cuts them up then covers the slices with peanut butter, I'll have a couple.
 
2011-06-07 10:00:04 AM
Oh and now that I have a disorder, I can pay "big medicine" for my drugs to cure my disorder!

/make up something
//give it a name
///follow the money
 
2011-06-07 10:01:10 AM

xanadian: What a woman reaching for food in the fridge may look like.


You look at the food all you want. I'm taking the opportunity to stare down her shirt.
 
2011-06-07 10:02:19 AM

pup.socket: what's wrong with cutting sugar out or exercising?


Nothing, as long as you're sensible about it. It's when people get obsessive about these things (or just about anything else, really) that problems start.
 
2011-06-07 10:04:29 AM
Better to err on the side of caution (orthorexia) than err on the side of fatness.

Healthy eating sits on the same level as solar power, or water fueled cars in the scheme of things to be fixed. It's about consumption, both into people gaping maws, and being good consumers. There is a plethora of good, solid, healthy facts about how to eat right, exercise moderately, and maintain good health. Problem being Hostess, Nabisco, McDonalds, etc do not want people to know how truly easy it is to eat healthy. They don't want people to know it can be as convenient and quick as grabbing a Ding Dong or a Bigmac. It's not rocket science, its more like eat better, eat less and move your fat ass more. Americans will be encouraged to follow these things when big businesses don't have a vested interest in people eating themselves into muumuus. Much like renewable energies and cheap, non-oil dependant vehicles will be available when businesses aren't making billions on it.

/lettuce foil hat off
 
2011-06-07 10:04:55 AM
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She looks healthy...
 
2011-06-07 10:07:59 AM

Millennium: pup.socket: what's wrong with cutting sugar out or exercising?

Nothing, as long as you're sensible about it. It's when people get obsessive about these things (or just about anything else, really) that problems start.


What are the problems? That my waist is too small?
 
2011-06-07 10:08:22 AM
This lady has a pretty good read on orthorexia: Link (new window)

Basically, the difference between an orthorexic and a healthy person is the level of obsession and the lack of perspective. It's an all-consuming pursuit.
 
2011-06-07 10:08:43 AM

mauricecano: FTA "orthorexia sufferers fixate on the type and quality of it."

I admit that I must be orthorexia as I do track my calorie consumption and quality/quantity of food eaten. I'll also admit that I enjoy working out and biking and now join a group bike ride every Tuesday and Sunday. You know what, the article is correct something horrible happened to me after I tracked my food and exercised ! My weight dropped over 40 pounds and all my clothes no longer fit, hell my pants are a paltry 32" now help me!

//article writer sounds fat


~ applause ~
Lost 100 lbs.. 49 inch hips to 36.
/Suffer like you do... We need a "self help" (read high fives all around) group
 
2011-06-07 10:14:09 AM

rudemix: Problem being Hostess, Nabisco, McDonalds, etc do not want people to know how truly easy it is to eat healthy.


...which is why they have salads with or without grilled chicken available right on the menu.

The distaffbopper and I are doing the 'lean and green' diet together in preparation for her having weight loss surgery*, and I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the number of reasonably healthy low-fat, low-carb options out there. Just about every chain we might go to has options for us, except maybe for Five Guys.

I'm sure they would rather you come in and spend $5 or $6 on a salad and an unsweetened iced tea than staying home for lunch.


*Due to removal of her thyroid due to cancer years ago, her metabolism slowed down greatly, even with the levothyroxin replacements. I'm doing it to lose some weight myself, but mainly to support her.
 
2011-06-07 10:15:41 AM
SuperMeekrat:

~ applause ~
Lost 100 lbs.. 49 inch hips to 36.
/Suffer like you do... We need a "self help" (read high fives all around) group

Congrats on the loss!
 
2011-06-07 10:19:18 AM
I eat healthy, but I also eat a lot, which seems to confuse people. Today I have 2 tuna sandwiches with a bunch of lettuce, a PBJ sandwich, a peach, a pear, a baggie of cherries, a ziploc full of carrots, and a cup of full fat greek yogurt. That's after a 3 egg/2 banana breakfast, and it'll get me to about 7 when I have dinner. I'm thinking stir fry with about 3/4lb of pork chops.

The marshmallow-like people I work with sometimes make comments about how eventually my 'metabolism will slow down' or how they wish they could eat all the time like I seem to.

And they probably could, but their idea of hard physical activity is reading a book for 30 minutes on the elliptical 2 or 3 times a week. I eat to recover; you can't go to the gym in 26 minutes on celery sticks and diet coke.
 
2011-06-07 10:26:32 AM
This thread makes me want fudge.

Of course, I'm 30 weeks pregnant, so everything makes me want fudge.

I was anorexic in college, and cannot figure out how I ever lived that way. Now I wonder if I'll every see my pre-baby flat stomach again, but life is too damn short for it to revolve around not eating. Of course, it's also too damn short to be so unfit that you can't walk up the driveway without getting winded. Balance, people.
 
2011-06-07 10:33:20 AM

SuperMeekrat: ~ applause ~
Lost 100 lbs.. 49 inch hips to 36.


100 lbs!? My God, you're in the late stages of this disease. I'll pray for you. Omarion, too. God help us all...

/but seriously, [borat_great_success.jpg]
//keep up the good work
 
2011-06-07 10:44:07 AM

CrazyGabby: This thread makes me want fudge.

Of course, I'm 30 weeks pregnant, so everything makes me want fudge.

I was anorexic in college, and cannot figure out how I ever lived that way. Now I wonder if I'll every see my pre-baby flat stomach again, but life is too damn short for it to revolve around not eating. Of course, it's also too damn short to be so unfit that you can't walk up the driveway without getting winded. Balance, people.


TFA is not about anorexia, which we can all agree is a very bad thing. It's about orthorexia, which is as yet not a recognized condition. Orthorexic people do not starve themselves, they are very particular about WHAT they eat, not how much.
 
2011-06-07 10:48:23 AM

Splinshints: Honest Bender: But I do try and eat in proper proportions and I take a daily multi-vitamin for everything else.

There's little evidence to suggest you're doing anything but wasting your money on vitamins unless you have a specific condition or deficiency you're treating according to a doctor's instructions. Especially if you're not eating right anyway since the complex compounds in the foods you're not eating aren't to be found in the pills.


STFU, dude! I'm trying to make the placebo effect work for me here... Jerk.
 
2011-06-07 11:00:17 AM
Healthy is an adjective not an adverb, subby.
 
2011-06-07 11:14:30 AM
What you eat matters. A little.

What really matters is what you do.
 
2011-06-07 11:28:38 AM

dreadprophet: DiogenesCynic: Someone who's hungry for something erect?

*Obvious penis joke*


yeah, your penis is pretty obvious when it's erect
 
2011-06-07 11:34:13 AM
So, if I avoid HFCS, BST and MSG I have an eating disorder?
 
2011-06-07 11:36:22 AM
These are the serial dieters that are otherwise healthy, aren't they.

Health food and exercise are the obsession.

I wonder how many end up or are vegetarian, vegan, or fruitarian; because that seems the end game for a disorder like this. Eliminate "unhealthy" until you are unhealthy.
 
2011-06-07 11:40:21 AM

xanadian: What a woman reaching for food in the fridge may look like.


A refrigerator full of fresh vegetables, water and fruit juice... clearly this is a sign of some form of eating disorder. Where are the prepackaged meals full of sugar and simple carbs? Where are the soft drinks and beer? Where are the cakes and pies?

TFA "Eliminating dairy products, for example, can result in calcium deficiency, which can increase the risk of developing osteoporosis.

Not if you eat your vegetables like broccholi, kale or spinach.

List A: Here's what people should be eating:
1. Lean meat
2. Eggs
3. Vegetables and leafy greens
4. Water
5. Fruit
6. Bacon

List B: Here's what people normally eat that they shouldn't
1. Corn
2. Potatos
3. Bread
4. Rice
5. Sugar

For years I busted my ass exercising to the poiint where my wife worried I was going to have a heart attack and never made a dent in my beer belly. I switched from the standard crap US diet to the list of foods people should be eating and dropped twenty pounds in four months just sitting on my ass. My wife is eating the same and has picked up the nickname "skinny biatch" at work because she's dropping fat faster than I am. People ask what the secret is and when I tell them to eat list A and not list B everybody farking whines about how eating good food is somehow impossible to do.

Ok, end of rant and cool story bro time.

/you can't out train a bad diet
 
2011-06-07 11:41:50 AM
I always laugh when I hear or read "consult your doctor before going on a diet". Everyone is on a diet, whether they are conscious of it or not. No one except the Super-Size-Me guy consults a doctor before they decide to eat at McDonalds everyday.

I watch what I eat sometimes but not others. In my experience when I eat brown rice and beans and vegetables, or a salad, someone will say "ooh that food is unbalanced and unhealthy!" But no one ever has any comment when I eat pizza or a cheesesteak and french fries.
 
2011-06-07 11:44:54 AM

Jesus v2.0: List A: Here's what people should be eating:
1. Lean meat
2. Eggs
3. Vegetables and leafy greens
4. Water
5. Fruit
6. Bacon

List B: Here's what people normally eat that they shouldn't
1. Corn
2. Potatos
3. Bread
4. Rice
5. Sugar


Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?
 
2011-06-07 11:45:03 AM

SuperMeekrat: Zik-Zak: SuperMeekrat: When everyone is farking fat, being different is "unhealthy"

This.

/something's wrong with me - I like exercising
//my legs are starting to have defined muscles, I'm too far gone
///goodbye, everyone, I have to leave you all...in about 26 minutes

I know.. can't wait for my cousin's wedding for the "are you on heroin" or "are you ill" comments.
/Have another shot of potato salad and a line of frosting, there, fatty.
// Good for you! Keep going!


You sound like a 12 year old boy.

Just kidding of course.

Seriously though, the average and median IS overweight at this point, so healthy normal weight people are going to be classified with the unhealthy underweight ones.

I'm 15 lbs overweight, but slowly slimming down. Biking to work(when I don't have a serious leg cramp in the middle of the night), walking the dog, and gardening do wonders.
 
2011-06-07 11:49:36 AM

This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?


Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar, HFCS and other simple carbs make you fat by screwing with your insulin.

And trust me, you stick with List A and you'll be wolfing down all the avacados and bacon you can get your hands on because the rest of it is so low in fat.
 
2011-06-07 11:51:45 AM

This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?


Why not? Reasonable amounts are fine, especially if it isn't cooked in it's own fat.
 
2011-06-07 11:52:15 AM

kukukupo: What you eat matters. A little.

What really matters is what you do.


To a point, yes. High levels of physical activity can do a lot to make up for extra calories and whatnot. But eating crap will catch up with you in the long run. It doesn't matter how many miles you run or how many weights you lift, if you eat hamburgers and fries every day, you'll end up with colon cancer and high blood pressure eventually.

Not that there's anything wrong with an occasional hamburger, but there's a reason most heavyweight athletes are dead by 60, and it isn't lack of physical activity.
 
2011-06-07 11:54:10 AM

Jesus v2.0: This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?

Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar, HFCS and other simple carbs make you fat by screwing with your insulin.

And trust me, you stick with List A and you'll be wolfing down all the avacados and bacon you can get your hands on because the rest of it is so low in fat.


When I decided to get in shape again I had a hard time overcoming my fat-phobia so every day I would fry up some bacon, have it as an appetizer, then cook some steak in the bacon grease, lost weight like it was going out of style.

I stick with mostly lean meat these days but will still throw down on some bacon.
 
2011-06-07 11:55:14 AM

dittybopper: rudemix: Problem being Hostess, Nabisco, McDonalds, etc do not want people to know how truly easy it is to eat healthy.

...which is why they have salads with or without grilled chicken available right on the menu.


I never looked at it like that. Nabisco and Hostess also offer 'lowfat' and 'lowcarb' snacks too. Maybe they are much more altruistic than I thought. They must be. It's only a matter of time before they erase the other 99.9999999% of their overly unhealthy foods and replace it with good, healthy food. Lord knows they'll make as much money peddling salads at McDonalds and selling zero carb/fat/sugar cookies right next to Oreos.

Ayone who is going to McDonalds as a plan to eat healthy is failing anyways. If you can walk into that place and shell out 5$ for a salad, you can probably find a grocery store and spend that 5$ on a bit of fruit and some edamame and still have money left over for a 78oz diet coke. Because McDonalds sells Diet Coke too. See how much they care!
 
2011-06-07 11:55:16 AM

dittybopper: This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?

Why not? Reasonable amounts are fine, especially if it isn't cooked in it's own fat.


Save the bacon fat for cooking with!

It's better for you than some random hydrogenated vegetable oil.
 
2011-06-07 11:59:49 AM
I've been counting calories (and improving the quality of my food) and working out more often lately. Lost a good deal of weight and hope to lose more.

I also visited a grocery store yesterday and got depressed. I saw several people who were morbidly obese and riding scooters. I don't know how people can live like that.
 
2011-06-07 12:00:35 PM

rudemix: dittybopper: rudemix: Problem being Hostess, Nabisco, McDonalds, etc do not want people to know how truly easy it is to eat healthy.

...which is why they have salads with or without grilled chicken available right on the menu.

I never looked at it like that. Nabisco and Hostess also offer 'lowfat' and 'lowcarb' snacks too. Maybe they are much more altruistic than I thought. They must be. It's only a matter of time before they erase the other 99.9999999% of their overly unhealthy foods and replace it with good, healthy food. Lord knows they'll make as much money peddling salads at McDonalds and selling zero carb/fat/sugar cookies right next to Oreos.

Ayone who is going to McDonalds as a plan to eat healthy is failing anyways. If you can walk into that place and shell out 5$ for a salad, you can probably find a grocery store and spend that 5$ on a bit of fruit and some edamame and still have money left over for a 78oz diet coke. Because McDonalds sells Diet Coke too. See how much they care!


They sell that stuff because that is what sells. It's a pretty simple idea, really. It's like blaming GM for making gas guzzlers when that is what people are buying.

What you have to do is change the behavior of the customers, and then the manufacturers and retailers will follow suite. You can't expect to change the behavior of the manufacturers and retailers and then expect the customers will follow, because unless you mandate it in law (which would have some pretty major problems in and of itself), some will stick with the old ways, and they will increase market share, and the ones that did change will have to change back or be marginalized.
 
2011-06-07 12:01:43 PM

meat0918: dittybopper: This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?

Why not? Reasonable amounts are fine, especially if it isn't cooked in it's own fat.

Save the bacon fat for cooking with!

It's better for you than some random hydrogenated vegetable oil.


Actually, I tend to save it for things like patch lube, oil lamps, candles, that sort of thing. Nothing like a candle that smells like breakfast.
 
2011-06-07 12:02:31 PM

Le French Boo: I have an amigo that could be "diagnosed" with this. He's about as evangelical about it as some christian folks. Because of this I always make sure to order a double cheeseburger rather than single-pattied burger.


You might want to be careful. I think Family Guy did an episode like this where Stewie became grotesquely fat.
 
2011-06-07 12:03:11 PM

FerneJohn: I've been counting calories (and improving the quality of my food) and working out more often lately. Lost a good deal of weight and hope to lose more.

I also visited a grocery store yesterday and got depressed. I saw several people who were morbidly obese and riding scooters. I don't know how people can live like that.


I can't figure out how they can look themselves in a mirror without gaging
 
2011-06-07 12:09:54 PM

rudemix: If you can walk into that place and shell out 5$ for a salad, you can probably find a grocery store and spend that 5$ on a bit of fruit and some edamame and still have money left over for a 78oz diet coke.


Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were serious. A serious person would recognize that:

1. Often it is hard to find a supermarket conveniently close.
2. Not all markets carry edamame.
3. It's faster to get a pre-made salad.

/lunch today is turkey summer sausage, a lettuce/banana pepper/low fat cheddar/olive salad with a lite balsamic vinagrette, and a no sugar added mixed fruit cup.
 
2011-06-07 12:13:31 PM
Dear lord these people are f*cking idiots. Everything people do must be a disorder. I will admit some people might overdue but that doesn't mean they have a damn disorder. Sounds like this article was brought to you by the Corn Lobby, fast food chains, pesticide industry, and the pharmaceutical industry. If you like to be healthy there is something wrong with you.
 
2011-06-07 12:15:08 PM

the_sidewinder: I can't figure out how they can look themselves in a mirror without gaging


not only that, but once you have a hard time walking to your car, or up a flight of stairs, don't you want to view your body as something other than a farking prison?
 
2011-06-07 12:20:53 PM
Holy hell, there are a lot of morons in this thread. "I eat healthy and exercise, and now they're saying I have an eating disorder!" No, they're not. Shut up.
 
2011-06-07 12:28:35 PM

dittybopper: rudemix: dittybopper: rudemix: Problem being Hostess, Nabisco, McDonalds, etc do not want people to know how truly easy it is to eat healthy.

...which is why they have salads with or without grilled chicken available right on the menu.

I never looked at it like that. Nabisco and Hostess also offer 'lowfat' and 'lowcarb' snacks too. Maybe they are much more altruistic than I thought. They must be. It's only a matter of time before they erase the other 99.9999999% of their overly unhealthy foods and replace it with good, healthy food. Lord knows they'll make as much money peddling salads at McDonalds and selling zero carb/fat/sugar cookies right next to Oreos.

Ayone who is going to McDonalds as a plan to eat healthy is failing anyways. If you can walk into that place and shell out 5$ for a salad, you can probably find a grocery store and spend that 5$ on a bit of fruit and some edamame and still have money left over for a 78oz diet coke. Because McDonalds sells Diet Coke too. See how much they care!

They sell that stuff because that is what sells. It's a pretty simple idea, really. It's like blaming GM for making gas guzzlers when that is what people are buying.

What you have to do is change the behavior of the customers, and then the manufacturers and retailers will follow suite. You can't expect to change the behavior of the manufacturers and retailers and then expect the customers will follow, because unless you mandate it in law (which would have some pretty major problems in and of itself), some will stick with the old ways, and they will increase market share, and the ones that did change will have to change back or be marginalized.


Good points, well taken. I'm guess I'm venting frustration at the fact it isn't rocket science for people to eat and be healthy but it is so ignored. I've gone from 330 to 209 (this AM) in a slow, steady, healthy way. There was no insta-pill, easy way or Celebrity Colon Cleanse that did it. It was a focused effort on changing diet and exercise. But none of that information was hard to find. Most people understand that eating better, eating smaller portions and moving more will ead to weight loss but it is rarely done. IMO, the hardest part of weight loss occurs in the mind, not the body.

Well, I need to get eat one of my six meals because I'm running low on fuel ;) It causes me to rant.

/lunch today is 4oz of tuna (water drained) and brown rice. Second lunch is 6oz of chicken breast and green beans.
 
2011-06-07 12:29:56 PM

Jesus v2.0: List B: Here's what people normally eat that they shouldn't
1. Corn
2. Potatos
3. Bread
4. Rice
5. Sugar


You low-carb people are worse than the low-fat people. The only problem with the foods you listed is that they are calorie dense. If they're refined they don't have any soluble fiber, but even that doesn't make them BAD, it just makes them easier to abuse.

Your dinner isn't supposed to consist of corn, mashed potatoes, and biscuits. That's no more or less healthy than a dinner consisting of pork chops, chicken, and brisket. Cutting out an entire food group is short-sighted, and recommending that EVERYONE cut out that same food group is naive.

Are endurance athletes supposed to go low-carb too? Someone who's running a half or full marathon is supposed to load up on grilled chicken salad the night before the race? When they run out of glycogen on mile 20, you want them to eat an apple instead of a sports drink?

Carbs are necessary, and grains and starches are useful, effective, healthy ways of getting them. If you don't handle them well, fine. But don't presume everyone shares your deficiency.
 
2011-06-07 12:30:37 PM

DiogenesCynic: "Ortho- (prefix): Prefix meaning straight or erect."
"-orexia, suffix meaning "(condition of the) appetite"

Someone who's hungry for something erect?


Well count me in.

TFA is a trolltastic crock of sh*t!

Doctors and researchers are why we can't have nice things.
 
2011-06-07 12:31:58 PM
Psychiatry fun fact:

By psychiatric definition, no behavior is considered "abnormal" until it significantly interferes with an individual's health or well-being. A person can hear voices in his head all day long, and if he's happy, healthy, can hold a job, and has good relationships, he's not considered "sick." The orthorexics referred to in this article are people who have significantly lost function in their lives because of their obsession with healthy eating. An example would be if somebody gave up all his friends because the thought of seeing them eat "unhealthy" foods gave the person panic attacks.
 
2011-06-07 12:33:58 PM

FerneJohn: I've been counting calories (and improving the quality of my food) and working out more often lately. Lost a good deal of weight and hope to lose more.

I also visited a grocery store yesterday and got depressed. I saw several people who were morbidly obese and riding scooters. I don't know how people can live like that.


Take note of what these fatasses are buying. They always have carts loaded with crap food.
 
2011-06-07 12:35:06 PM

Jesus v2.0: This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?

Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar, HFCS and other simple carbs make you fat by screwing with your insulin.

And trust me, you stick with List A and you'll be wolfing down all the avacados and bacon you can get your hands on because the rest of it is so low in fat.


Bingo, bango.

Watch the 2nd half of "Fat Head."

Or just watch this (new window). May cause head explosion. Bring some napkins.
 
2011-06-07 12:36:09 PM
I will eat whatever that chick wants me to eat.
 
2011-06-07 12:42:27 PM

Quasar: I will eat whatever that chick wants me to eat.


I don't get it, what do you mean?
 
2011-06-07 12:43:00 PM
Epic Salad:

Link (new window)
 
2011-06-07 12:43:31 PM

Jubeebee: You low-carb people are worse than the low-fat people.


Yeah, but at least we're not obese like the low-fat people.

And seriously, your complaint that a low carb diet doesn't work for endurance atheletes like marathon runners? Look around, how many of those do you see? We don't have a problem with hordes of endurance athaletes fainting away because they're not getting their 5K Calories a day. We do have an epidemic of obesity and diabetes.

Also, I'm sane about eating. Everyone knows that cake isn't something that is good for us but we eat it sometimes anyway because we like it. It's the same with List B. If you want corn on the cob or a piece of cake with buttercream frosting, go ahead, just don't make that list the farking basis for your daily diet.
 
2011-06-07 12:44:49 PM

Jubeebee: When they run out of glycogen on mile 20, you want them to eat an apple instead of a sports drink?


Apples have carbs, as do most fruits, so yeah, that would work.

In fact, I just helped out with the local Tour de Cure, and guess what they had at all the rest stops? Stuff like oranges and bananas, along with the little PB&J sandwiches, mini Clif bars, no-carb sports drink, and water.

No one ever said 'cut out *ALL* carbs', at least no sane person. Low carb, not no carb, unless of course you are burning calories like there is no tomorrow, then you can up the carb intake to compensate.

Probably the best diet, though, from a nutritional standpoint, would be one that mimics a hunter/gatherer lifestyle. Lean meats, fruits, vegetables, greens, nuts.
 
2011-06-07 12:46:31 PM

Jesus v2.0: This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?

Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar, HFCS and other simple carbs make you fat by screwing with your insulin.

And trust me, you stick with List A and you'll be wolfing down all the avacados and bacon you can get your hands on because the rest of it is so low in fat.


Yeah...one kind of anything in excess or to the exclusion of other things is bad. That's like saying that you can fulfill your caloric needs for the day by drinking a pint of whiskey.

List B: Here's what people normally eat that they shouldn't
1. Corn
There is absolutely nothing wrong with corn in general. Corn meal and corn flour, with pretty much any legume, make a whole protein and between the two offer a considerable amount more actual nutrients.

2. Potatos
Really? WTF do you have against potatoes? Lots of fiber, protein, vitamin C and iron.

3. Bread
This is highly subjective. There's decent healthy bread made with whole grains and without a shiat-ton of oil, and then there's hard-core processed white flour butter buns.

The other thing is, that people always ignore, it's about proportion, not abstinence. If you eat a whole loaf of bread a day, then yeah, that's bad. A piece of toast in the morning and a sandwich for lunch on the other hand....

4. Rice
Same as bread. There's nothing wrong with rice in general, it's 1. how it's prepared and 2. serving size. 1/2 cup of prepared rice with a meal balanced by vegetables and protein is fine. A heaping mound of rice drowning in some thick sauce is bad.

5. Sugar
Sugar has a bad rep. Natural sugars from fruit and vegetables are fine, and processed sugar is OK within reason.


For instance, I've been vegetarian for ~8 years. I stopped eating meat because I'd been overweight my whole life and wanted to try a managed diet that didn't involve counting calories. Over the course of a year, I lost all the extra weight, and felt better in general than I ever had. It wasn't purely from not eating meat, it was the fact that in having given that up, I couldn't justify eating junkfood. Kind of hard to pick up a donut if I won't even allow myself a piece of chicken.

For protein I go with corn, rice, beans, and tubers. Occasionally I'll go with tofu..but it's not my favorite thing in the world. There are many diets that work. That's evident by the fact that people all over the world in different cultures, with different resources, survived to build independent civilizations. Anyone that says that there's only one right way to eat is trying to sell something.

/csb
 
2011-06-07 12:47:36 PM
Brown Rice pudding! Excellent and sweet desert.

Cook 1 cup brown rice like normal, then

Add 4 cups skim milk
2 tbs vanilla
1 cup raisins
1 chopped granny smith apple
1/3 cup splenda
Clove, nutmeg and cinnamon to taste.

Cook on medium heat for about 30 min to reduce milk, then let thicken as it stands.

Makes about 5 or 6 cups of healthy pudding at about 75 calories per 3/4 serving. Tastes like a cinnamon roll!
 
2011-06-07 12:48:01 PM
Damn, I must be doing something terribly wrong then. Recently bought a new pair of jeans, figured I needed 32 inch waist since I haven't had a 30 inch waist since high school. Brought them home and tried them on and...I need to cinch up my belt to keep them from falling down to my ankles.

Also, just this weekend I witnessed some drunk asshole being a jackass down at the marina. He ended up jumping out of his boat and pushing it into its slip (the water was only ~4ft deep, I guess he figured it was better than a potential dui, no idea). Anyway, the problem was he was then unable to pull himself out of the water and back onto the dock. I had been standing angrily by, watching him be an idiot, but then his friend asked if I could come help. So I, all of about 150lbs, had to go pull this 185-190lb dumbass out of the water because he couldn't even lift his own body weight. But yeah, I'm the one with an eating problem...
 
2011-06-07 12:56:12 PM

dittybopper: Jubeebee: When they run out of glycogen on mile 20, you want them to eat an apple instead of a sports drink?

Apples have carbs, as do most fruits, so yeah, that would work.


The problem for the marathon runners is that they're engaging in an extreme level of physical activity that is putting them in a metabolically compromised state. At mile 20 the marathoner can't digest anything so the only option is for them to drink a glucose and salt solution that can be absorbed directly into the bloodstream.

If they were walking the twenty-six miles, apples would be fine but they're trying to cover the distance as fast as possible which is why competetive marathoners look like hammered shiat three quarters of the way into the race and why the original marathoner is said to have dropped dead after delivering his message.

I'll run a 5K but marathons are for idiots and masochists.
 
2011-06-07 01:00:35 PM

ThurmanMerman: Psychiatry fun fact:

By psychiatric definition, no behavior is considered "abnormal" until it significantly interferes with an individual's health or well-being. A person can hear voices in his head all day long, and if he's happy, healthy, can hold a job, and has good relationships, he's not considered "sick." The orthorexics referred to in this article are people who have significantly lost function in their lives because of their obsession with healthy eating. An example would be if somebody gave up all his friends because the thought of seeing them eat "unhealthy" foods gave the person panic attacks.


Maybe you are right about formal psychiatric definitions, but the article is titled "Have you got an eating disorder.. and don't even know it?" and has gems like "It's a hidden disorder, disguised by the healthy eating tag, but I'm recognising it in more people year on year..." So no, actually, the article is calling people orthorexic even though it make so little difference in their functioning no one notices.
 
2011-06-07 01:03:06 PM

kasmel: There is absolutely nothing wrong with corn in general. Corn meal and corn flour, with pretty much any legume, make a whole protein and between the two offer a considerable amount more actual nutrients.


Corn does jack crap for you, and somehow that it's become the base of 90% of our food's contents (if you include GMO's) Ok maybe not 90% but it's in farking everything. And especially if you're a corn farmer, then you really have no problem with corn! Hooray corn subsidies!

Corn, it's what's bad for you. (TL;DR Alert)
 
2011-06-07 01:03:21 PM
Just backing up some of the other posts here.

Exercised a TON but kept up diet of Burger King and pasta. Didn't lose a pound even though on paper I should have been losing weight. Didn't happen.

Switched the diet to mostly proteins, fats, and plants and weight just started falling off.
 
2011-06-07 01:03:40 PM

Jesus v2.0: This Looks Fun: Bacon? I love it too and I'm dieting as well, but really? Bacon?

Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar, HFCS and other simple carbs make you fat by screwing with your insulin.

And trust me, you stick with List A and you'll be wolfing down all the avacados and bacon you can get your hands on because the rest of it is so low in fat.


Pretty much this. One of the worst pieces of mis-information out there around diet, is that fats are bad for you. Same as you, I cut out the simple carbs, sugar, hfcs, etc... and dropped 25 lbs over the winter. Hoping to drop another 20 or so over summer with bike training.
 
2011-06-07 01:06:00 PM

kasmel: For instance, I've been vegetarian for ~8 years


I missed this on my first read-through of your post, but it explains everything about your pro-carb stance. While it definitely is good for a weight loss plan, (moral/ethical dilemmas with eating animals non-withstanding) that isn't going to be good for you in terms of long-term sustainability.
 
2011-06-07 01:10:20 PM
Yeah I'm not cutting out carbs. The only way I can get through an 80 minute rugby game is if I eat carbs and lean protein and some fat, in moderate portions.

And carbs post-game.

I may not be a "skinny biatch" like that one dude's wife, but I'm happy and I'm healthy and that matters more to me than dropping down to a size 2 or 4. I'm quite pleased with "average."
 
2011-06-07 01:15:25 PM
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2011-06-07 01:17:33 PM

Jesus v2.0:
List B: Here's what people normally eat that they shouldn't
1. Corn
2. Potatos
3. Bread
4. Rice
5. Sugar


Even these "bad" foods can still be eaten on occasion. We go out for Mexican food every now and then (2-3 times a month) and I have no problems with maintaining weight while having a few tacos.

The only one I really crave though is bread. Found a pretty good substitute in a flax bread recipe, also found some nice flax cracker recipes as well. Also ground flax meal, some boiling wate, a dab of butter and some fresh ground nutmeg make for a good breakfast, along with an egg or two.

For long bike rides I'll dig in to some high-carb goodies, oatmeal or other whole-grain cereal. As otherwise they are just too hard to enjoy.
 
2011-06-07 01:20:12 PM

kasmel: 1. Corn
There is absolutely nothing wrong with corn in general. Corn meal and corn flour, with pretty much any legume, make a whole protein and between the two offer a considerable amount more actual nutrients.


So does the slice of tri-tip I'm eating.

Most of my list is based on the current model of what we evolved eating. We didn't start eating corn, grains and potatos until relatively recently from an evolutionary perspective. They taste great because they are densely packed with simple carbs, especially sweet corn and usually have all the fiber stripped out for fast digestion and a good solid spike in blood sugar. Since they taste great and are easily available and cheap, we eat too much of them. Look at the standard US diet, most of the calories come from these simple carbs.

Like I said, a bit earlier, nothing on that list will kill you but it's not a good basis for a healthy diet. In general that list is pretty limited with respect to the ratio of micronutrients per calorie so unless you really need a high calorie diet you're better off eating something else.

kasmel: For instance, I've been vegetarian for ~8 years.


Which probably means that you prepare a lot of your own meals which is going to make a huge difference in where you get your calories. When I first started trying to cut the sugar out of my diet I realized that HFCS is in farking *everything* including bread. Just cooking your own food will cut a huge amount of sugar out of your diet (unless you add a lot of sugar to the food you cook) and go a long way toward evening out the spikes in blood sugar. Eating a high fiber diet will do that as well as that will slow digestion.

Ever wonder why a high fiber diet improves your cholesterol balance? It isn't the fiber pulling cholesterol out of your bloodstream, it's the slower digestion smoothing the blood sugar levels and mitigating the rate of fructose processing by the liver. Unfortunately, the US diet and that list of foods you shouldn't eat is very low in fiber so you get a calorie dense diet with low micronutrients, fast digestion with spikes in blood sugar and insulin levels followed by insulin resistance, cravings for more carbs to bring up your blood sugar levels eventually leading to metabolic syndrome and obesity.

So good on you for not eating the standard diet. Personally I'll eat meat and skip the simple carbs.
 
2011-06-07 01:20:46 PM
images.mirror.co.uk

She should organize her fridge better.
Her peppers are all over the place.
They should be in a bin with the carrots and celery.
 
2011-06-07 01:28:41 PM

star_topology: kasmel: There is absolutely nothing wrong with corn in general. Corn meal and corn flour, with pretty much any legume, make a whole protein and between the two offer a considerable amount more actual nutrients.

Corn does jack crap for you, and somehow that it's become the base of 90% of our food's contents (if you include GMO's) Ok maybe not 90% but it's in farking everything. And especially if you're a corn farmer, then you really have no problem with corn! Hooray corn subsidies!

Corn, it's what's bad for you. (TL;DR Alert)


http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/protein_combo.htm
http://www.organicfacts.net/nutrition-facts/cereals/nutritional-value-of-corn-a n d-rice.html
http://www.personal-nutrition-guide.com/nutritional-value-of-corn.html

HFCS is bad because it's grossly overused. Corn itself, as a vegetable, isn't bad, and can be a valuable part of a healthy diet.
 
2011-06-07 01:33:43 PM

badLogic: Even these "bad" foods can still be eaten on occasion. We go out for Mexican food every now and then (2-3 times a month) and I have no problems with maintaining weight while having a few tacos.


Oh I have "cheat days" where I'll have pizza or ice cream or whatever I feel like. I keep a stash of mexican coke in the garage and have one of those once a week because it reminds me of when I was a kid before soft drinks started tasting like ass flavored pancake syrup. The cold glass bottle is nice too.

The way we view food in the US borders on insanity. In general we eat the worst possible diet and the response to this is usually some form of fanaticism in cutting out food X or group Y which is why people are reading "things you shouldn't eat" as "things you can never ever eat again".

I shouldn't drink soft drinks but I do on occasion and when I do I make sure it's something I like and I do it in moderation. I shouldn't eat cake but I do on occasion and when I do it's the ungodly delicious cake from the bakery across town. I'll eat good mexican food on occasion but when I do I make it count and eat the good stuff.

What they're talking about in TFA are the people who say "you can't ever eat X" where X is the evil food of the week. That's where the insanity creeps in. So go to McDonalds and eat a double quarterpounder with cheese if you want but I can tell you that if you've been eating from List A for a few months you're probably want to skip it for something that tastes a little better.
 
2011-06-07 01:34:12 PM

Jesus v2.0: Jubeebee: You low-carb people are worse than the low-fat people.

Yeah, but at least we're not obese like the low-fat people.

And seriously, your complaint that a low carb diet doesn't work for endurance atheletes like marathon runners? Look around, how many of those do you see? We don't have a problem with hordes of endurance athaletes fainting away because they're not getting their 5K Calories a day. We do have an epidemic of obesity and diabetes.

Also, I'm sane about eating. Everyone knows that cake isn't something that is good for us but we eat it sometimes anyway because we like it. It's the same with List B. If you want corn on the cob or a piece of cake with buttercream frosting, go ahead, just don't make that list the farking basis for your daily diet.


You have to recognize that there's a world of difference between a multigrain bread and cake with buttercream frosting, right?

No single food group should be the basis of your daily diet. Like I said, loading up entirely on grains is no better or worse than loading up entirely on protein. You can have grains and starches in every farking meal and be perfectly healthy.

The food itself isn't bad, which is what you were originally saying. Eating an imbalanced diet is bad, and it doesn't matter how you overdo it. The ubiquity and caloric density of grains and starches make it easier to imbalance a diet that way, I'll admit, but that's a behavioral problem, not a dietary problem.

dittybopper: Probably the best diet, though, from a nutritional standpoint, would be one that mimics a hunter/gatherer lifestyle. Lean meats, fruits, vegetables, greens, nuts.


Anyone else, I'd go off on an anti-paleo rant, but for you, dittybopper, a hunter/gatherer diet makes perfect sense. Shine on, you flint-knapping, blackpowder shooting, coonskin hat wearing diamond.
 
2011-06-07 01:35:34 PM

kasmel: star_topology: kasmel: There is absolutely nothing wrong with corn in general. Corn meal and corn flour, with pretty much any legume, make a whole protein and between the two offer a considerable amount more actual nutrients.

Corn does jack crap for you, and somehow that it's become the base of 90% of our food's contents (if you include GMO's) Ok maybe not 90% but it's in farking everything. And especially if you're a corn farmer, then you really have no problem with corn! Hooray corn subsidies!

Corn, it's what's bad for you. (TL;DR Alert)

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/protein_combo.htm
http://www.organicfacts.net/nutrition-facts/cereals/nutritional-value-of-corn-a n d-rice.html
http://www.personal-nutrition-guide.com/nutritional-value-of-corn.html

HFCS is bad because it's grossly overused. Corn itself, as a vegetable, isn't bad, and can be a valuable part of a healthy diet.


HFCS (or corn sugar as they are attempting to rebrand it) is not just bad due to gross overuse, but it metabolizes differently then standard table sugar. A recent study at Princeton^ showed "Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same."
 
2011-06-07 01:36:52 PM

kasmel: star_topology: kasmel: There is absolutely nothing wrong with corn in general. Corn meal and corn flour, with pretty much any legume, make a whole protein and between the two offer a considerable amount more actual nutrients.

Corn does jack crap for you, and somehow that it's become the base of 90% of our food's contents (if you include GMO's) Ok maybe not 90% but it's in farking everything. And especially if you're a corn farmer, then you really have no problem with corn! Hooray corn subsidies!

Corn, it's what's bad for you. (TL;DR Alert)

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/protein_combo.htm
http://www.organicfacts.net/nutrition-facts/cereals/nutritional-value-of-corn-a n d-rice.html
http://www.personal-nutrition-guide.com/nutritional-value-of-corn.html

HFCS is bad because it's grossly overused. Corn itself, as a vegetable, isn't bad, and can be a valuable part of a healthy diet.


Can I make an addendum. Nutrition has been sacrificed for sugar content and shelf life in some sweet corn hybrids.

My solution (as always) is grow your own. But damn it all if this summer just won't start. My corn had better be knee high by July!
 
2011-06-07 01:38:49 PM

kasmel: http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/protein_combo.htm
http://www.organicfacts.net/nutrition-facts/cereals/nutritional-value-of-corn-a n d-rice.html
http://www.personal-nutrition-guide.com/nutritional-value-of-corn.html

HFCS is bad because it's grossly overused. Corn itself, as a vegetable, isn't bad, and can be a valuable part of a healthy diet.


Like I said earlier, if I want a complete protein I'll eat some meat. Since I haven't limited myself in that respect there is little reason for me to eat something that is high in simple carbs and low in fiber and other nutrients. If I want something sweet I'll eat some fruit.
 
2011-06-07 01:44:26 PM

Huck Chaser: Holy hell, there are a lot of morons in this thread. "I eat healthy and exercise, and now they're saying I have an eating disorder!" No, they're not. Shut up.


No shiat. Would people read an article about OCD and say "Oh, so I'm not a slob and I like to keep my house clean, now they're saying I have a disorder?"

If thing, person, or behavior A shares some similarities to thing, person, or behavior B, that does not mean that A is exactly the same as B.
 
2011-06-07 01:45:43 PM

TravisBickle62: Millennium: pup.socket: what's wrong with cutting sugar out or exercising?

Nothing, as long as you're sensible about it. It's when people get obsessive about these things (or just about anything else, really) that problems start.

What are the problems?


The same problems that tend to show up with obsessions of other kinds. Typically, the hyper-narrow focus that defines an obsession leaves other areas of a person's life neglected.

It is worth noting that being passionate about something is not, by itself, an obsession. Neither is an obsession merely a passion taken to an extreme degree (though it is possible for obsessions to develop in such conditions). The difference between a health-conscious person and an orthorexic is much like the difference between a cat lover and a Crazy Cat lady, or between a collector and a hoarder.

That my waist is too small?

True orthorexia -an obsession with healthy eating and exercise patterns- is unlikely to cause that particular problem. In fact, the situation itself would put a person's orthorexia to the test: an underweight person with orthorexia would seek to get back up to a healthy weight. If that doesn't happen, then the problem is something altogether different.
 
2011-06-07 01:48:22 PM

kasmel: HFCS is bad because it's grossly overused. Corn itself, as a vegetable, isn't bad, and can be a valuable part of a healthy diet.


One thing I share with the low-carb people is irritation over the notion that corn is a vegetable.

Corn is a grain. Just because you find it in the canned vegetable aisle in WalMart doesn't make it a vegetable. Potatoes aren't vegetables either.

Your mom's homecooked meal of buttered corn, mashed potatoes, and meatloaf doesn't count as 'meat and two veg.' You'd be better off making plain hamburgers on white buns, because at least then you wouldn't be eating farking meatloaf.
 
2011-06-07 01:50:37 PM

star_topology: kasmel: There is absolutely nothing wrong with corn in general. Corn meal and corn flour, with pretty much any legume, make a whole protein and between the two offer a considerable amount more actual nutrients.

Corn does jack crap for you, and somehow that it's become the base of 90% of our food's contents (if you include GMO's) Ok maybe not 90% but it's in farking everything. And especially if you're a corn farmer, then you really have no problem with corn! Hooray corn subsidies!

Corn, it's what's bad for you. (TL;DR Alert)


Are these the same people who did zip4tweens.com or something?
 
2011-06-07 01:50:51 PM

Jesus v2.0: I keep a stash of mexican coke


This reads very funny when taken out of context.

In context, however, Zevia (new window) has been a God-Send for a former "Coke" addict like myself. If the slogan wasn't already taken, it tastes "more like the real thing" than Diet Coke.

/5 months and counting without a Coke
 
2011-06-07 01:51:36 PM

Jubeebee: Corn is a grain. Just because you find it in the canned vegetable aisle in WalMart doesn't make it a vegetable. Potatoes aren't vegetables either.


Out of curiosity, what are potatoes (and presumably other tubers) if not vegetables?
 
2011-06-07 01:57:17 PM
Haven't we learned that almost everything is good in moderation?
Tons of red meat will clog your arteries (along with the pound of fries you deep fried to go with it), but having some variety in your protein intake is nothing bad. Salt can be bad for your blood pressure, but completely eliminating it doesn't make you 100% healthy.
How many studies have shown that a drink or two a day is actually good for you?
And if you're working out, you need to have excess energy intake. Otherwise, your muscles and bones will be the casualty of your workout. Michael Phelps consumes somewhere between 8k and 12k calories per day when he's training. Obviously you don't need that high of a level, but you still need a good amount if you're working out 1 hr twice a day.
 
2011-06-07 02:01:05 PM
This may be the most idiotic thing I have ever read on the Internet. I honestly am having trouble convincing myself it's not satire.
 
2011-06-07 02:01:30 PM

merkey88: working out 1 hr twice a day


Good lord, that's a lot of exercise.
 
2011-06-07 02:04:27 PM

solokumba: She should organize her fridge better.
Her peppers are all over the place.
They should be in a bin with the carrots and celery.


And she should move the orange juice so we can see more cleavage.
 
2011-06-07 02:05:54 PM

Huck Chaser: merkey88: working out 1 hr twice a day

Good lord, that's a lot of exercise.


Not really.
 
2011-06-07 02:06:43 PM

star_topology: Zevia (new window) has been a God-Send for a former "Coke" addict like myself.


I wish I liked stevia-based stuff, but it just tastes awful to me.
 
2011-06-07 02:15:19 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Huck Chaser: merkey88: working out 1 hr twice a day

Good lord, that's a lot of exercise.

Not really.


I would bet that 14 hours/week is easily in the top percentile among regular exercisers. I didn't even hit that when I ran track in college.

Also, please note that I didn't say "excessive" or "too much."
 
2011-06-07 02:23:33 PM

Huck Chaser: Uchiha_Cycliste: Huck Chaser: merkey88: working out 1 hr twice a day

Good lord, that's a lot of exercise.

Not really.

I would bet that 14 hours/week is easily in the top percentile among regular exercisers. I didn't even hit that when I ran track in college.

Also, please note that I didn't say "excessive" or "too much."


I was thinking 10 a week. No rest days IS excessive/too much. So, 5 days, 1 hr in the morning, work all day, one after. If you can fit it in your schedule it's perfectly reasonable. If you can use that time productively by commuting its double win.

It's also worth noting, 2x1h exercises a day have a very different characteristic than 1x2hr every day. They are short enough you don't need to eat during them, you can recover afterwards fairly quickly from both, and if done in the right zones don't really deplete your energy stores much. Now, if you start throwing anaerobic efforts into those hours, it becomes a whole different ball game. If you stay under that threshold, even if you are flirting with it the whole time, you should be cool to do it over and over assuming you eat enough. Think of it as exercising every 10 to 12 hours, for an hour.
 
2011-06-07 02:27:27 PM
For no particular reason I am compelled to add: all your base, your base, your base, all your base are belong to us.

\mmmmm base
 
2011-06-07 02:28:31 PM

Millennium: Jubeebee: Corn is a grain. Just because you find it in the canned vegetable aisle in WalMart doesn't make it a vegetable. Potatoes aren't vegetables either.

Out of curiosity, what are potatoes (and presumably other tubers) if not vegetables?


In terms of maconutrient content and their place in your diet, they are closer to grains and other starches than they are to, say, radishes. The botanical definition of a food is not always its dietary definition: cucumbers are considered vegetables, even though they are technically the fruit of the plant.
 
2011-06-07 02:34:16 PM
I ate over a pound of bacon, deep fried fish, deep fried jerkey, deep fried bacon, and deep fried cookies last weekend.

Does that mean that I'm in the clear?
 
2011-06-07 02:52:35 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: It's also worth noting, 2x1h exercises a day have a very different characteristic than 1x2hr every day. They are short enough you don't need to eat during them, you can recover afterwards fairly quickly from both, and if done in the right zones don't really deplete your energy stores much. Now, if you start throwing anaerobic efforts into those hours, it becomes a whole different ball game. If you stay under that threshold, even if you are flirting with it the whole time, you should be cool to do it over and over assuming you eat enough. Think of it as exercising every 10 to 12 hours, for an hour.


Very true. Biking an hour to and from work would be hard at first, but I imagine you'd get used to it pretty quickly, and once you were you could keep it up pretty much indefinitely as long as you ate and rested properly. Bike messengers and rickshaw drivers are exercising more or less all day, and they seem to do all right.

But like you said, if you try to do heavy squats or deadlifts every 12 hours and you aren't spending the entire rest of the day sleeping and eating, you'll breaks yourself down right quick.
 
2011-06-07 03:48:10 PM
Huck Chaser
Holy hell, there are a lot of morons in this thread. "I eat healthy and exercise, and now they're saying I have an eating disorder!" No, they're not. Shut up.

Right. It refers to people who are so obsessed with eating healthy that they wind up not eating healthy. Or, they eat healthy but are so preoccupied with it that their lives are negatively affected in another way. In the same way that a person so obsessed with hygiene may wash their hands to the point where they become more susceptible to infection. If it's not detrimental, then it's not a disorder.

Dion Fortune
I always laugh when I hear or read "consult your doctor before going on a diet". Everyone is on a diet, whether they are conscious of it or not.

Yeah. I once heard a (fat) hospitalist dietician say "I need to go on a diet". I was blown away. One does not "go on a diet", one merely "has a diet". This is not a semantic quibble. This reflects the unnervingly common idea that you "diet" to lose weight, then switch back to your normal diet when you've met your goal. It's why people have trouble keeping the weight off. It's reinforced by people shilling fad diets, who want to promise easy 1-month solutions to what is a life-long problem. They sell false hope, because the real solution (i.e. eat right and exercise for the rest of your life) is harder to commercialize and less appealing to consumers. I imagine that some serial dieters might q

The only times it's legit to actually "go on a diet" is when there is some changing external requirement, such as athletic competition or medical condition, that requires you to vary your diet over time. Though even then, I'd prefer to refer to it as "changing my diet".
 
2011-06-07 03:55:14 PM

Purple_Jack: Healthy is an adjective not an adverb, subby.


^

Right. Eating a healthy WHAT, subby? Healthy is an adjective to describe living things. A cat can be healthy. A meal can be healthful.
 
2011-06-07 04:34:49 PM

falkone32: Dion Fortune
I always laugh when I hear or read "consult your doctor before going on a diet". Everyone is on a diet, whether they are conscious of it or not.

Yeah. I once heard a (fat) hospitalist dietician say "I need to go on a diet". I was blown away. One does not "go on a diet", one merely "has a diet". This is not a semantic quibble. This reflects the unnervingly common idea that you "diet" to lose weight, then switch back to your normal diet when you've met your goal.


Actually, it is a semantic quibble, and an incorrect one at that. Words can have multiple meanings based on context, and "diet" is one of them; both your definition and the dietitian's definitions are correct.

I do agree with you that "going on a diet" is a very poor method for achieving sustainable weight loss, but that doesn't affect the definitions of the word itself.
 
2011-06-07 04:38:08 PM

Huck Chaser: falkone32: Dion Fortune
I always laugh when I hear or read "consult your doctor before going on a diet". Everyone is on a diet, whether they are conscious of it or not.

Yeah. I once heard a (fat) hospitalist dietician say "I need to go on a diet". I was blown away. One does not "go on a diet", one merely "has a diet". This is not a semantic quibble. This reflects the unnervingly common idea that you "diet" to lose weight, then switch back to your normal diet when you've met your goal.

Actually, it is a semantic quibble, and an incorrect one at that. Words can have multiple meanings based on context, and "diet" is one of them; both your definition and the dietitian's definitions are correct.

I do agree with you that "going on a diet" is a very poor method for achieving sustainable weight loss, but that doesn't affect the definitions of the word itself.


Now that I'm rereading your post, I think I misinterpreted you, and you were saying that while you acknowledge that the word has multiple definitions, you wish the dietitian's definition would go away. Woops!
 
2011-06-07 04:42:32 PM

kukukupo: What you eat matters. A little.

What really matters is what you do.


Not necessarily. What you eat matters a great deal. It affects hormones like insulin (which moves calories into fat storage) and it affects how long you're satiated (500 calories of cheescake will not keep you satisfied & not-hungry nearly as long as 500 calories from a lean meat + veggies + high-fiber carb source like beans).

Also, exercise really doesn't burn as many calories as we'd like to think. If you bust your ass on some cardio machine for half an hour or an hour (and actually work, not just stroll while reading a magazine), you'll burn the equivalent of a can of coke, maybe a 20oz coke if you really work hard. It's a hell of a lot easier to just not drink the coke in the first place. Depending on the source, I've read that running a marathon, one of the most physically demanding activities people do, burns 3000 to 4000 calories. That's roughly one pound of fat (3500 calories). For how intense & physically demanding a marathon is, that really isn't that much...

What you eat plays a much bigger role than being not-fat than how much activity you get.

All that said, exercise is extremely important for being fit & healthy. But we should look at exercise as making us healthier & more physically capable, not just as a way to burn calories.
 
2011-06-07 04:49:46 PM

jimb213: All that said, exercise is extremely important for being fit & healthy. But we should look at exercise as making us healthier & more physically capable, not just as a way to burn calories.


That, and it increases your basal metabolic rate, which in the long run burns more calories than the exercise itself.
 
2011-06-07 05:09:34 PM

jimb213: Also, exercise really doesn't burn as many calories as we'd like to think. If you bust your ass on some cardio machine for half an hour or an hour (and actually work, not just stroll while reading a magazine), you'll burn the equivalent of a can of coke, maybe a 20oz coke if you really work hard. It's a hell of a lot easier to just not drink the coke in the first place. Depending on the source, I've read that running a marathon, one of the most physically demanding activities people do, burns 3000 to 4000 calories. That's roughly one pound of fat (3500 calories). For how intense & physically demanding a marathon is, that really isn't that much...


The problem is that people like don't consider intensity and length when it comes to exercise. 30 minutes of jogging isn't squat if your pace is 4mph. Second, exercise is a long-term commitment. One pound of fat may not sound like much, but it is a LOT to lose in one day.

I saw a very vivid example of hard exercise at work during a college band camp. People like to joke about band camps, but this was the Michigan Marching Band, which is relatively famous for its physical intensity. Their trademark moves include rapid high-kick steps that burn energy like sprints, and snap-and-lock movements that require strength and muscle endurance. Nothing to BRAG about, but it'll wear you out. Physical drills were six hours a day, every day, for almost three weeks. One of my friends was a hot blonde. . . with an equally hot identical twin (oh lawd) who didn't join. After camp I got to see them side-by-side. They looked indistinguishable three weeks prior, but while the latter twin retained a fair-skinned girl-next-door homebody look, her band sister had lost about twenty pounds. Her stomach was as flat as a washboard (not to mention very tan). It was like a real-life "before/after" thing. Exercise doesn't lead to weight loss? Bullshiat. You just haven't done enough.

Of course, today's desk jockeys don't work out 6 hours a day. Not enough hours in a day. But that's precisely a problem we need to confront. Before we pooh-pooh exercise, we need to keep in mind that exercise isn't something that was historically done 30 minutes a day, and/or on weekends. Our ancestors had to bust their butts. People who eat steak & eggs for breakfast and not gain a pound aren't burning off the calorines on thirty-minute sessions on exercise bikes.
 
2011-06-07 05:13:34 PM
Er, my point isn't that we all need to exercise 6 hours a day. I understand that most of us can't. My point is that the time investment is precisely why exercise is so difficult. There's no easy answer to this problem, but one thing I do to compensate is deliberately make my lifestyle more labor-intensive. For example, I don't take elevators in any instance where I travel less than a few floors, even if one is available. I travel as part of my job, and I'll have to go all the way to the end of the hall to take the stairs when the elevator is in the central lobby. So? Half the time I'll still beat it. Is that hard exercise? No. But do a hundred little things like this a day and the burned calories will add up.
 
2011-06-07 05:36:43 PM

DoctorCal: Eat healthy what?

Most of what I eat is dead.


Most?
 
2011-06-07 05:48:56 PM
Your band camp example supports my point... it took your friend 6 hours of intense exercise every day for three weeks to lose those 20 lbs. It takes a huge effort for exercise to really burn a significant amount of calories. Most people aren't contestants on The Biggest Loser, so they can't devote that kind of time and energy to working out.

I never said you can't lose fat via exercise, just that it's not the be-all-end-all of fat loss, and I think proper nutrition and eating habits are more important for (and have a bigger impact on) getting to and maintaining a healthy weight.

Again, exercise is extremely important for overall health (strength, endurance, flexibility, blood pressure, lung capacity, etc...), but diet is more important for weight loss.
 
2011-06-08 10:07:06 AM

Jesus v2.0: Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar, HFCS and other simple carbs make you fat by screwing with your insulin.

And trust me, you stick with List A and you'll be wolfing down all the avacados and bacon you can get your hands on because the rest of it is so low in fat.


I already eat a bunch of avocados. I can't get enough of those things. It's just that... the idea that bacon would be on a list of 6 things to get you healthy seems silly, but apparently you're not even close to the only one saying it.

dittybopper: Why not? Reasonable amounts are fine, especially if it isn't cooked in it's own fat.


How would you cook it then? I only know how to fry it.

TravisBickle62: When I decided to get in shape again I had a hard time overcoming my fat-phobia so every day I would fry up some bacon, have it as an appetizer, then cook some steak in the bacon grease, lost weight like it was going out of style.

I stick with mostly lean meat these days but will still throw down on some bacon.


Wat? You were exercising though right? With that kind of protein intake I almost have to assume you were doing some lifting.

meat0918: Save the bacon fat for cooking with!

It's better for you than some random hydrogenated vegetable oil.


I already do this. We put some bacon grease into our steamed cabbage. Let it get a little burned on the edges, man it was good.

badLogic: Pretty much this. One of the worst pieces of mis-information out there around diet, is that fats are bad for you. Same as you, I cut out the simple carbs, sugar, hfcs, etc... and dropped 25 lbs over the winter. Hoping to drop another 20 or so over summer with bike training.


Sigh... looks like I'll really need to research this.

Thanks all of you.
 
2011-06-08 10:51:52 AM

TravisBickle62: CrazyGabby: This thread makes me want fudge.

Of course, I'm 30 weeks pregnant, so everything makes me want fudge.

I was anorexic in college, and cannot figure out how I ever lived that way. Now I wonder if I'll every see my pre-baby flat stomach again, but life is too damn short for it to revolve around not eating. Of course, it's also too damn short to be so unfit that you can't walk up the driveway without getting winded. Balance, people.

TFA is not about anorexia, which we can all agree is a very bad thing. It's about orthorexia, which is as yet not a recognized condition. Orthorexic people do not starve themselves, they are very particular about WHAT they eat, not how much.


Oh, I'm well aware of the difference. My point was more that life is too short to obsess over it, whether it's what you're eating or how much.
 
2011-06-08 03:26:54 PM

This Looks Fun: dittybopper: Why not? Reasonable amounts are fine, especially if it isn't cooked in it's own fat.

How would you cook it then? I only know how to fry it.


Microwaved bacon turns out shockingly well. Just take a plate, put two or three layers of paper towel, a layer of bacon, and another layer of paper towel, and then zap it until it's as crisp as you like it. This way, the paper towels soak up most of the fat.
 
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