Bass Pro in Ontario ,Ca has a full out restaurant with a fully stocked bar. It's nice to see them having safety training and shooting classes. I wonder if they sell targets that have pictures of guys with their hat on backwards and their pants at their knees being held up with one hand. If they did I wonder if they would charge the same price for black and white as for color?

Calehedron: Teflon means little, its bullet underneath (new window)

I still use these in my 9mm. Black Talon (new window) Some people get wierded out when I unload them.

Are they also weirded out that Winchester pretty much just withdrew them and then introduced an even better version? I wonder if you'd be better off holding onto them for historical value and shooting their successors on the market. Maybe they'll have collector value some day. Or, if nothing else, they might to pro-gun control folks like holy water and crosses to vampires.

Did JosephFinn show up to tell you you're all felons violating the Second Amendment for not belonging to a militia yet?

Grizzly Bear: I got bored reading this after 4 sentences. I never finished.

I quit at the implication that the grenades one throws and those that are used in a launcher are the same type.

treesloth: Or, if nothing else, they might to pro-gun control folks like holy water and crosses to vampires.

Hmmm... I'm missing a "be" in there...

jbuist: It won't happen. Do you have any idea how beefy those backstops are?

We have one at the local range here that's essentially designed to take hits from .50 BMG rounds indefinitely. Big, thick steel plate + angling = win

Father_Jack: i've never understood the 50yrd rifle range thing.

"OMG I'M TEH AWSUM I HAVE SUCH A GREAT GROUP AT 50yrds WITH MY STABILIZER AND SCOPE AND SANDBAGS AND STUFF! I CAN SHOOTZ!"

pussys.

lie down on your fat belly turn your john deere baseball hat on backwards and hit a man sized target 4 times out of 5 over iron sights, you fat ass bubba. this high tech bench shooting has as much to do with real marksmanship has using compound bows with sight pins and stabilizers and release doohickeys has to do with how the english did it against the french at crecy with the long bow.

Because not all rifles are hunting rifles? I just picked up one of these at the most recent gun show in town:



Put an EOTech optical sight on it which is good for around 50 yards. There's no point in sighting it in for anything beyond that. Plus the bullet only suffers about a half an inch drop from 50 to 100 yards.

And any competent person can sight a rifle for 200+ while only needing a 50 yard range. But you're so goddamn manly I'm surprised you even use a rifle. Just chase em down and rip out their throats.

NO OFFENSE BUT HOW CAN YOU LIKE THE FN PS90?

I rented one earlier this year at the local gun range and I was disappointed. While it was extremely accurate with very little recoil it felt like shooting a .22, not a lot of omph to it. Is the 5.7 like a higher velocity round to give it a greater impact or something?

BravadoGT: scottydoesntknow:

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Did you pay less than $1K? They are still kinda pricey around here. And don't get me started on the ammo! You can buy Hornady, or....you can buy Hornady. (I've got the Five-SeVen) It's a great round--too bad it's not more popular.

Seriously. FN needs to make a bolt gun that fires the 5.7 to get people buying the round for other applications to bring the price down. It is a great varmint round, and I prefer it over the 17HMR, or 22WM. I met this guy who made a custom rifle for the 5.7 and that thing was a tack driver (I guess it should be if it is custom but still)! He mounted this retarded scope on it and played this really fun game. He put a drop of sugar water out about 20-25 yards and would shoot the insects that came to feed.

\besides if the secret service is using the P90 (does anyone know what pistol they use? FN5.7 perhaps?) we have government support for the round. lets make it more accessible.
\\what about a semi-auto rifle that used the pistol mag?

RadicalArcher: Yeah, that was what I was thinking too. Exactly who was the brilliant mind who designed the offices on that side of the pistol shooting range? I'm already waiting for the Fark Followup story about one of the employees getting a bullet whilst sitting in his/her office. Oh, it might take a couple of years (since they still need to renovate and actually open the store), but it'll happen.

If only there were a way to build a wall that could withstand a constant barrage of small arms fire...

Maybe one day they'll come up with a solution. Until then, we'll just have to view this as an acceptable risk.

Rocket surgeons eh?

I am Wee Todd Ed: NO OFFENSE BUT HOW CAN YOU LIKE THE FN PS90?

Well, the simple fact that it has killed more Jaffa and Goa'uld than any other submachine gun is a big plus in my book.

dofus:

/The county is debating opening a 1,000 yd range w/skeet & trap as well
//Keeping fingers crossed

I dont know about you, but I wouldnt waste my shotgun ammo pointing at a clay that I couldnt see with my naked eye

\teasing

Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives would be a great name for a superstore too bad jackbooted government thugs have taken the name.

//BTW gotta love Alabama

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I usually went to the cluck n bell.
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Fish in a Barrel: We have a combination gun shop/Hummer dealership not too far from where I work. Used to be just Hummers, but apparently that's no longer such a good business.

You work in Chesterfield valley southwest of St. Louis.

"spiffy" tag busy filing its nails?

I am Wee Todd Ed: NO OFFENSE BUT HOW CAN YOU LIKE THE FN PS90?

I rented one earlier this year at the local gun range and I was disappointed. While it was extremely accurate with very little recoil it felt like shooting a .22, not a lot of omph to it. Is the 5.7 like a higher velocity round to give it a greater impact or something?

The bullets have an insane amount of penetrating power. Enough to the point that they had to manufacture civilian rounds that wouldn't penetrate kevlar so easily. The design of the gun reduces the recoil and yea it's accurate as hell, so really you answered your own question. It's a gun that shoots extremely accurate, very little recoil, entirely ambidextrous, compact, and smooth (won't get caught on clothing/edges). The only downside to it is the ammo ain't cheap.

Yeah, I guess I kind of answered my own question. I just got into shooting and the local range has a variety of semi and full auto weapons you can rent. I go often to the range and one the guys behind the counter recommended renting and shooting the PS90. I and the two gun range employees had the harderst time just loading the thing. It took three of us to figure out how to get the magazine to turn the previous round in order to accept more rounds. Really turned me off. Plus the size of the 5.7 is like a .22 and makes the same hole in the target. Yes, I know there is more to firearms than 'it make a big boom and big hole!!!' But I want something that will stop a T800 and until they make a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range I have to settle for what's currently available.


/play waaaay to much of COD:Modern Warfare and the FN PS90 is my favorite submachinegun. Was disappointed real life didn't match!

CowFu: You work in Chesterfield valley southwest of St. Louis.

Yup.

treesloth: Calehedron: Teflon means little, its bullet underneath (new window)

I still use these in my 9mm. Black Talon (new window) Some people get wierded out when I unload them.

Are they also weirded out that Winchester pretty much just withdrew them and then introduced an even better version? I wonder if you'd be better off holding onto them for historical value and shooting their successors on the market. Maybe they'll have collector value some day. Or, if nothing else, they might to pro-gun control folks like holy water and crosses to vampires.

I only have 15 left and they are in the magazine when it is at home or in carry mode. The black has rubbed off on the tips of the petals due to all the handling. I unload them at the range and shoot lead most of the time. I have shot the sXt (same eXact thing) in 9mm and 40S&W. I havent tried the newest iteration though.

I live with a Jew that sleeps with a pistol-grip pump-action shotgun and a 45 & 9mm so I'm making latkes for dinner and sleeping with my bedroom door locked.

You should see if they've got a lever gun in .357 Magnum / .38 SPL there. Those are quite fun and it's a heck of a lot cheaper to shoot .38SPL than something like 30-30.

Funny you brought up a lever action. I want to get a Marlin 336(?) lever action 30-30 but can't find one for a good price. Local gun store has periodic sales on this rifle and usually drop the price by $50 or so. Just waiting for the next sale.

I am Wee Todd Ed: You should see if they've got a lever gun in .357 Magnum / .38 SPL there. Those are quite fun and it's a heck of a lot cheaper to shoot .38SPL than something like 30-30.

Funny you brought up a lever action. I want to get a Marlin 336(?) lever action 30-30 but can't find one for a good price. Local gun store has periodic sales on this rifle and usually drop the price by $50 or so. Just waiting for the next sale.

Look for a Winchester 94 also. I just got a 1975 30-30 that was a safe queen and a 1975 Ruger Super Blackhawk 5.5" ported barrel 44 Mag for $500. I see Win94s on auction sites for $275-350ish all the time. I would still like to get the 20" Stainless 336

Yeah, I'm all over the place on what I want to get next. I would like to get a rifle for my next firearm purchase and then a Taurus 513 Judge. I've fired one before and REALLY LOVED IT! 513 shoots .45 LC/.410/.454 Yeah, big kick weapon!

I don't want to buy anything used as I don't know that much about firearms and don't want to buy something that looks good but has a warped barrel or not well known defects such as the Remington 700.

As someone currently sitting behind the counter of a gun store (and as someone who hasn't had lunch yet at 3pm), I would KILL for a deli within walking distance.

/kick, replies, etc

I am Wee Todd Ed: I don't want to buy anything used as I don't know that much about firearms and don't want to buy something that looks good but has a warped barrel or not well known defects such as the Remington 700.

fwiw, some sellers (not all, by any means) are willing to allow a prospective buyer to have a gunsmith inspect a firearm, and for just a pre-sale inspection, gunsmiths commonly have pretty low prices. If you can line that up, you could still get a screaming deal. Either way, you caution is warranted... it's all too common that someone will unload a known-defective firearm "as is" without explaining its problems. I'm not aware of any state that obligates a seller to disclose problems.

Calehedron: I only have 15 left and they are in the magazine when it is at home or in carry mode.

Ah, well, that's a shame. Still, if you should ever have to use it defensively, perhaps you'll be the subject of another hit piece of reporting... "Black Talons Claim Another Victim!!1one!OMG!"

I am Wee Todd Ed: Father_Jack: i've never understood the 50yrd rifle range thing.

NO OFFENSE BUT HOW CAN YOU LIKE THE FN PS90?
I am Wee Todd Ed: Is the 5.7 like a higher velocity round to give it a greater impact or something?
It's basically a centerfire .22 Magnum.

It is like a .22 Mag in power, but it has other advantages such as accuracy and reliability.

The shell is a 5.7 x 28 mm (.224 cal). Translated, the bullet is almost exactly the same size as the M16/M4 bullet 5.56 x 45 mm, but with a bit less powder. On the other side of the coin you have your 9 mm pistol bullet which is 9 x 19 mm. The idea being you have a larger bullet to do more damage because you dont have the speed of the smaller rifle bullet. The 5.7 is a compromise of pistol and rifle bullets but ultimately it behaves like a shorter distance rifle bullet. Seeing as most indoor and urban combat happens with distances less than 200m, the 5.7 is a great option for the secret service and other organizations who need a rifle smaller (and less weight) than an M16. Not to mention in combat the low recoil is a good thing.

For me, I like the idea of having 1 bullet that fits my pistol and my rifle (especially if small game hunting while backpacking), and like I said earlier this bullet has a lot of good civilian applications (yes home defense is one, but hunting, or accurate target shooting are others). Then there is my girl to consider. She is recoil shy, and the 5.7 is more desirable than the 9mm when it comes to pistol use. She doesnt like the .375 pistol/rifle combo, and when we are just messing around at the range the .375 rifle is a single shot and the pistol is a heavy revolver.

Alx_xlA: therealpope: I don't get the silly tag either. If you go to a gun range during the weekend, or attend all day classes at a gun range, it can be very busy and you have to wait (or in the case of a class, go offsite to get lunch).....so having a deli on site that serves food is a great thing.

I though it was silly because they're going to some lengths in specifying that it's a deli, rather than simply saying that it will feature a "restaurant" or even just "food service."

wat

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dittybopper: davidab: \Pop quiz: you get to frack Boomer or Number 6, who do you frack?

or ?

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Quite frankly, neither is my type.

you should check out the one that is less than a decade old. I found both to be appealing.

jbuist: A case of .38spl will run you $0.29 a round.

Good lord. I hadn't realized .38 Special had gotten that expensive.

I got cheap Lee Progressive press a couple years ago from Cragslist for $30 and loaded up a bunch of 158gr SWC bullets I'd cast one weekend when I had nothing else to do. I spent a couple days loading and I ended up with so much ammo that I haven't managed to shoot it all up in the few years since then, and it only cost me a couple pennies per round for powder and primers.

JesseL: jbuist: A case of .38spl will run you $0.29 a round.

Good lord. I hadn't realized .38 Special had gotten that expensive.

If it was cheaper, it wouldn't be very special, now would it?

jbuist: I am Wee Todd Ed: Funny you brought up a lever action. I want to get a Marlin 336(?) lever action 30-30 but can't find one for a good price.

Yeah, prices on them seem to have climbed a bit recently. Actually, all guns have in the last few years, but I'm not shopping for them like I was back in 2003-2006.

Why a .30-30? You don't sound like a hunter, just a plinker, and if that's true I'd push you toward a pistol caliber lever-gun like the aforementioned Marlin 1894C. A case of .38spl will run you $0.29 a round. Cheapest I'm seeing .30-30 right now is Prvi Partisan stuff for $1.48 a round and that's on sale, not counting shipping costs. It adds up if all you do is plink.

I am Wee Todd Ed: well known defects such as the Remington 700.

Meh, the defect is overblown. They corrected it decades ago and if you manage to stumble up on a rifle that has the defect they'll fix it for free.

I plan on getting the full caliber line in lever action. My dad had a Marlin in .357 and I really enjoyed shooting it. A friend just inherited a .44 Mag lever from his father and it is awesome also. Agreed on the 700 hype. It has had issues here and there but nothing like the media and others made it out to be.

The best thing I have done is expand my reloading to encompass casting my own lead bullets. I use recycled wheel weights, medical isotope containers, plumbers lead, solder, etc to make my alloys. Next project is to set up a shot dripper and drop my own for my shotgun press. Right now I trade bullets or raw lead for the shot from other hobbyists.

It is like a .22 Mag in power, but it has other advantages such as accuracy and reliability.

The shell is a 5.7 x 28 mm (.224 cal). Translated, the bullet is almost exactly the same size as the M16/M4 bullet 5.56 x 45 mm, but with a bit less powder. On the other side of the coin you have your 9 mm pistol bullet which is 9 x 19 mm. The idea being you have a larger bullet to do more damage because you dont have the speed of the smaller rifle bullet. The 5.7 is a compromise of pistol and rifle bullets but ultimately it behaves like a shorter distance rifle bullet. Seeing as most indoor and urban combat happens with distances less than 200m, the 5.7 is a great option for the secret service and other organizations who need a rifle smaller (and less weight) than an M16. Not to mention in combat the low recoil is a good thing.

For me, I like the idea of having 1 bullet that fits my pistol and my rifle (especially if small game hunting while backpacking), and like I said earlier this bullet has a lot of good civilian applications (yes home defense is one, but hunting, or accurate target shooting are others). Then there is my girl to consider. She is recoil shy, and the 5.7 is more desirable than the 9mm when it comes to pistol use. She doesnt like the .375 pistol/rifle combo, and when we are just messing around at the range the .375 rifle is a single shot and the pistol is a heavy revolver.

Cool! Thanks for the info! I'm familiar with 5.56 as I was in the Army and the comparison you gave was helpful.

Why a .30-30? You don't sound like a hunter, just a plinker, and if that's true I'd push you toward a pistol caliber lever-gun like the aforementioned Marlin 1894C. A case of .38spl will run you $0.29 a round. Cheapest I'm seeing .30-30 right now is Prvi Partisan stuff for $1.48 a round and that's on sale, not counting shipping costs. It adds up if all you do is plink.
I actually want to go hunting and wanted a rifle with a lot of stopping power. I live in Houston and I would like for a vacation to go hog hunting. I'm kind of shopping around for a good lever action and good hunting packages. I've never been hunting, even though I grew up in Minnesota, but all of a sudden I really want to go wild boar hunting. I'm trying to find a good hunting package deal, guide/lodging/trails etc., I've found a few package deals and now just need to save up.

I have a 1911 Springfield .45 and I swear by this weapon. I've fired a Beretta 9mm and while it is a fun firearm the kick just doesn't compare to a .45! Also, down here in Houston most gun and outdoor shops give military discounts so I tend to get ammo and range fees at a discount. Plus, I work with a bunch of guys that make their own ammo and are willing to sell but never seem to have any to sell when I want to buy.

I am Wee Todd Ed: I have a 1911 Springfield .45 and I swear by this weapon. I've fired a Beretta 9mm and while it is a fun firearm the kick just doesn't compare to a .45! Also, down here in Houston most gun and outdoor shops give military discounts so I tend to get ammo and range fees at a discount. Plus, I work with a bunch of guys that make their own ammo and are willing to sell but never seem to have any to sell when I want to buy.

Ruger just came out with the SR1911 and I am wanting one real bad. My dad has a GI Colt 1911 that will be mine one day but I wish him a long life so it may be a while. I am former Army myself and the Beretta 9 was a mistake compared to the 1911. An ex-squid friend of mine just got a SIG 1911 Navy SEAL edition for $900 brand new from SIG. He has some SEAL buddies and they cut him in on the deal. Sweet Naval and SEAL markings on it and shoots like a dream.

davidab: I dont know about you, but I wouldnt waste my shotgun ammo pointing at a clay that I couldnt see with my naked eye

They use these giant clays and the shooters are equipped with black powder punt guns. It's a real blast.

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Wife and I like it. It would be great to do some shooting and grab a good sammich in the same place.