JesseL: Kraftwerk Orange: JesseL: We'd blow less money on needless crap if we had to haul it on our bicycle.

You'd be surprised at some of the needless crap I've carted home on my bike. I take inspiration from these guys:



It's all about balance.

Not me you want to be quoting there.

My apologies. Should have been The First Four Black Sabbath Albums:, strange quote clipping.

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: JesseL:
I'm curious what is the ratio of people you sway toward your viewpoint vs. punch you in the gut for being a douchebag, when you start preaching like that.

I'll give in to your troll. How is being realistic being a douchebag? Do you seriously think it is better for us to continue to pollute the world than to farking do something about it? Or are you too much of a pussy to make a difference? You have two choices: pollute, consume, and fark over your grandchildren OR take responsibility for yourself. It's your choice. You can respond with some cocky shiat to save face (I'm probably not going to come back to this thread to read it), but I want you to seriously think about it.

I'm not saying anything about your message. I was referring to how you present it. You're not very persuasive when you talk to people like a preachy, arrogant, dickhead.

If you actually care about saving the world, try being a little less preachy and don't froth at the mouth so much.

snocone: Zamboro: snocone: "Plugins burn 45% COAL!"

Fixed that for you. A vehicle which runs only partially on fossil fuels is necessarily greener than one that runs entirely on fossil fuels, even before you take into account the drastic difference in efficiency between electric motors and gasoline engines.

"Yes, but coal is finite!!"

Try to think into the future a little bit. We won't always use coal to generate power. But we'll keep producing electricity. How do you think we'll do that?

When you grow batteries on trees, you will figure it out.

We'll keep coal, we'll just use it differently:

Coal gas powered Fuel Cells to make electricity, then use the excess CO₂ (too valuable and dangerous to release into the atmosphere) to make liquid fuels.

Problem part 1: CAFE standards make exceptions for certain types of vehicles (trucks) in order to make it possible for farmers & other workers to still have trucks.

Problem part 2: Auto makers, seeing a loophole around having to comply with CAFE standards, while also promoting their most profitable product lines, begin pushing SUV's like mad.

Problem part 3: People will buy anything the teevee tells them to buy. When the airwaves become cluttered with ads for SUV's the highways become cluttered with drivers of SUV's.

Solution: Require a CDL for any vehicle which is exempt from CAFE standards.

Solution part 2: Soccer moms have to either give up their big SUV, or undergo CDL training (which will teach them how to handle their big SUV + take in some $$$ for DOT).... also farmers & other workers can still have their trucks... provided they can get a CDL.