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2011-06-01 07:50:25 PM
Next up: Did Jesus know Confucius?
 
2011-06-01 07:50:52 PM

video man: Cpl.D: Sgt. Pepper

My boss is giving me the evil-eye when he thinks I'm not watching. Don't care. Still laughing.

http://www.forkparty.com/hilarious-stfu-jesus-motivational-comics/

You may piss your pants. You've been warned.


I'm clicking that link. If I piss my pants, maybe they'll send me home early.
 
2011-06-01 07:53:29 PM

jshine: It's true, I suppose, but an odd way to phrase it. Still, I doubt many Jews will take offense.


We'd mostly just shrug our shoulders, say 'that's wrong' and go back to make a living off the Fed's interests

Cpl.D: There's a LOT of fundie Christians over here, Tats, that think all Muslims are evil terrorists and go so far as to harass peaceful people.


so by pointing out that Muslims believe that yoshke is NOT the son of G-d, but rather completely human, that it's their prophet and that THEY have the right story on him will someone make Fundie xians feel better about them?

Did you really think that one through?
 
2011-06-01 07:54:21 PM
Not sure that some dude on youtube constitutes a citation, but its an interesting video (new window)
 
2011-06-01 07:55:03 PM

Tatsuma: so by pointing out that Muslims believe that yoshke is NOT the son of G-d, but rather completely human, that it's their prophet and that THEY have the right story on him will someone make Fundie xians feel better about them?

Did you really think that one through?


Actually, my point is that despite minor differences, it's the same sky-daddy they pray to, and the world would be a hell of a lot of a better place if they'd get along. That goes for pretty much everyone. I'm an atheist, Tats, but I'm a humanist first.
 
2011-06-01 07:55:29 PM

mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?


So there won't be an objection to a "Mohammed: A pedophile" posters?
 
2011-06-01 07:57:04 PM

simplicimus: brigid_fitch: Vodka Zombie: Hmm... We should do that here in the US.

That would be awesome. And it should be put in KY on the way to the Creation Museum for maximum derpage.

Are you suggesting that large amounts of KY are involved in a museum?


Maybe Het Sexmeseum in Amsterdam.
 
2011-06-01 07:57:48 PM

SouthernManDunWrong: Infernalist: Buncha religious drama.

That said, Yes, it's true. Jesus is considered a prophet of Allah.

Yes, they see it as an honor.

And yes, it was meant to be provocative.

Educated men and women know that Christians consider Jesus to be the incarnations of God in the flesh. By relegating him to the status of only a prophet, they knew this would draw attention to their efforts.

No different than a billboard stating that Mohammad married a 13 year old.

Yes, very true, but also done with the intent to provoke.

Bad form.

If you want to watch a Moslem's head tilt, remind him that Jesus is regarded as a Prophet. Then recite Jesus' words when He tells the disciples that he is going to be killed and that He is the Son of God (not allah). Then ask them if Jesus is a false prophet.

/head spins crazy man


And then wonder why the Muslim laughs at your dumb ass.

/Hint: Allah is the same God that Jews and Christians worship, just under a different name because of language differences.
 
2011-06-01 07:58:03 PM
The difference is that Christians believe Jesus Christ IS GOD incarnate. Not simply a prophet. So to call him simply a prophet is insulting to Christian's beliefs.
 
2011-06-01 07:58:10 PM

Infernalist: video man: iheartscotch: I always thought it was interesting that; deep down, where they'll never admit it; Islam, Judaism and Christianity are really the same religion. Just different interpretations on the same message.

Yeah. They all are related in the fact that it's all varying rehashes of Mesopotamian mythology.

To be fair, Christianity may have its roots in Judaism, but the whole 'Messiah', 'rose from the dead, had disciples, did miracles, died for the world' thing...

That was big all over the Mediterranean at the time. There were uncounted cults, all proclaiming the same thing with different Messiahs and such. But most of them were based off the mythology of Mithras, son of Ahura Mazda who pre-dates Christianity by some considerable degree.

Do some research


I said varying rehashes. Same base religion, but they added some pizzazz to it.
 
2011-06-01 07:59:28 PM
How hard would people shiat themselves if they knew there's (admittedly flimsy) evidence that Jesus hung out with Hindus and Buddhist monks?
 
2011-06-01 08:01:05 PM

Callous: So to call him simply a prophet is insulting to Christian's beliefs.


I don't think they are claiming he was ONLY a prophet. They're pointing out that he was also a prophet of Mohammed.
 
2011-06-01 08:03:12 PM

Vantango84: How hard would people shiat themselves if they knew there's (admittedly flimsy) evidence that Jesus hung out with Hindus and Buddhist monks?


Lots of Christians hang out with people from other religions and even atheists. So not much from what I have seen.
 
2011-06-01 08:03:40 PM

whatshisname: I don't think they are claiming he was ONLY a prophet.


Uh yeah. There are plenty of verses in the Qu'ran mocking the trinity, they even wrote that stuff inside of al aqsa (which was based on designs of the church of the sepulchre) to mock xian belief in the trinity.
 
2011-06-01 08:04:22 PM

Callous: The difference is that Christians believe Jesus Christ IS GOD incarnate. Not simply a prophet. So to call him simply a prophet is insulting to Christian's beliefs.


this. a billboard like this in the states, especially if it was tied to a specific mosque, would be gasoline on a fire. violence is almost guaranteed.
 
2011-06-01 08:04:24 PM

whatshisname: Callous: So to call him simply a prophet is insulting to Christian's beliefs.

I don't think they are claiming he was ONLY a prophet. They're pointing out that he was also a prophet of Mohammed.


That's how Christians will perceive it. As a "demotion" if you will.
 
2011-06-01 08:05:26 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2011-06-01 08:05:59 PM

mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?


As someone else put it in the thread

If you want to watch a Muslim's head tilt, remind him that Jesus is regarded as a Prophet. Then recite Jesus' words when He tells the disciples that he is going to be killed and that He is the Son of God (not allah). Then ask them if Jesus is a false prophet.

Either he's a prophet... in which case he DID state that he was the son of God and thus is the son of God, which places him above a simple Prophet and therefore Mohamed is beneath him.

or,

He's a false prophet, and thus his claiming to have been the son of God is false and therefore he's a deceiver and his teachings are false in the Koran and thus the book naming him a prophet is in error.

It's either or, pal. Deal with it. The fact of the matter is that these billboards are purely there to troll Christians. Anyone with an ounce of personal integrity would admit this and condemn them as stupid and hateful like all trolls. But then again, it's "cool" on fark to attack Christians.

I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because Christians are more of less civil people these days and even their most extreme followers don't go around issuing fatwas and lopping people's heads off with machetes when you insult their religion.

Maybe go try putting up signs saying "Mohamed was a pedophile, so it's perfectly okay and moral to bone little girls." and see what sort of traction you get with that community, eh?

The people that put up those signs would have had money better spent if they'd just used it as toilet paper. At least then it wouldn't have been used to sow hatred and attempt to denigrate other people's beliefs.
 
2011-06-01 08:06:12 PM

Infernalist: video man: iheartscotch: I always thought it was interesting that; deep down, where they'll never admit it; Islam, Judaism and Christianity are really the same religion. Just different interpretations on the same message.

Yeah. They all are related in the fact that it's all varying rehashes of Mesopotamian mythology.

To be fair, Christianity may have its roots in Judaism, but the whole 'Messiah', 'rose from the dead, had disciples, did miracles, died for the world' thing...

That was big all over the Mediterranean at the time. There were uncounted cults, all proclaiming the same thing with different Messiahs and such. But most of them were based off the mythology of Mithras, son of Ahura Mazda who pre-dates Christianity by some considerable degree.

Do some research


Because I'm lazy, could you point me in the right direction to start?
 
2011-06-01 08:06:41 PM

mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?


The fact that it is true makes it more offensive.
 
2011-06-01 08:08:03 PM
Anon Jesus:

dtdstudios.com

NSFW Jesus:

Your Mom (new window)
 
2011-06-01 08:08:29 PM

Bell-fan: mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?

As someone else put it in the thread

If you want to watch a Muslim's head tilt, remind him that Jesus is regarded as a Prophet. Then recite Jesus' words when He tells the disciples that he is going to be killed and that He is the Son of God (not allah). Then ask them if Jesus is a false prophet.

Either he's a prophet... in which case he DID state that he was the son of God and thus is the son of God, which places him above a simple Prophet and therefore Mohamed is beneath him.

or,

He's a false prophet, and thus his claiming to have been the son of God is false and therefore he's a deceiver and his teachings are false in the Koran and thus the book naming him a prophet is in error.

It's either or, pal. Deal with it. The fact of the matter is that these billboards are purely there to troll Christians. Anyone with an ounce of personal integrity would admit this and condemn them as stupid and hateful like all trolls. But then again, it's "cool" on fark to attack Christians.

I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because Christians are more of less civil people these days and even their most extreme followers don't go around issuing fatwas and lopping people's heads off with machetes when you insult their religion.

Maybe go try putting up signs saying "Mohamed was a pedophile, so it's perfectly okay and moral to bone little girls." and see what sort of traction you get with that community, eh?

The people that put up those signs would have had money better spent if they'd just used it as toilet paper. At least then it wouldn't have been used to sow hatred and attempt to denigrate other people's beliefs.



Except that Muslims can and do use the Christian excuse: "He was speaking metaphorically when he said he was the son of god. In that respect, we all are."

Or outright denial. Both work.
 
2011-06-01 08:08:54 PM
It is important that religions do not set out to antagonize those with differing beliefs.

forum.ntreev.net
 
2011-06-01 08:09:16 PM
Great, just farking great....

Now the damn christians are gonna start blowing stuff up.

Thanks Australia!!
 
2011-06-01 08:11:00 PM
On the muslim head tilting thing, are you guys saying that what was written in the bible is indisputably EXACTLY what Jesus said, and discounting the possibility that Muslims believe that perhaps Jesus has been misrepresented by his followers to one degree or another?

Because that just seems ignorant, to discredit a religion's beliefs because some old texts quoted someone as saying something else...
 
2011-06-01 08:11:02 PM

Tatsuma: jshine: It's true, I suppose, but an odd way to phrase it. Still, I doubt many Jews will take offense.

We'd mostly just shrug our shoulders, say 'that's wrong' and go back to make a living off the Fed's interests

Cpl.D: There's a LOT of fundie Christians over here, Tats, that think all Muslims are evil terrorists and go so far as to harass peaceful people.

so by pointing out that Muslims believe that yoshke is NOT the son of G-d, but rather completely human, that it's their prophet and that THEY have the right story on him will someone make Fundie xians feel better about them?

Did you really think that one through?


Having something be more than one thing or a part of another are easy concepts for christians to grasp. See: holy trinity


Non-exclusivity, how does it work?
Imagine how pissed they'd be if you had a billboard stating that the jewish god is the same as the christian god!
 
2011-06-01 08:12:12 PM
I'm for letting this be considered offensive so that jews can then claim its offensive for christians to use quotes from the torah to support their bigotry towards homosexuals.
 
2011-06-01 08:12:39 PM
lol
We should be suprised by all the religeous fruitcake's reactions....why?

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2011-06-01 08:13:04 PM

Tatsuma: Uh yeah. There are plenty of verses in the Qu'ran mocking the trinity, they even wrote that stuff inside of al aqsa (which was based on designs of the church of the sepulchre) to mock xian belief in the trinity.


Lots of other Christians mock Trinitarianism.
 
2011-06-01 08:13:58 PM

Bell-fan: I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because Christians are more of less civil people these days and even their most extreme followers don't go around issuing fatwas and lopping people's heads off with machetes when you insult their religion.


That's pretty much true -- the most extreme Christian group that seems to pop up regularly is the Westboro folks, and they basically just carry around signs & troll for the lulz.

Every once in a great while there might be a murder of an abortion doctor, but those wackos seem to be unique cases rather than a part of any organized group or movement.
 
2011-06-01 08:15:34 PM

Bell-fan: As someone else put it in the thread


As an actual Muslim or anyone else with actual knowledge of Islam will tell you:

'The Bible was corrupted, the real words of prophet Isa is in the Qu'ran. Now shut up and bring me some more goat cheese'.
 
2011-06-01 08:16:37 PM

Aarontology: Tatsuma: Uh yeah. There are plenty of verses in the Qu'ran mocking the trinity, they even wrote that stuff inside of al aqsa (which was based on designs of the church of the sepulchre) to mock xian belief in the trinity.

Lots of other Christians mock Trinitarianism.


They tend to be called heretics for that, though.

/proud heretic
 
2011-06-01 08:16:55 PM
That part about goat cheese might just be me projecting some desires though

Aarontology: Lots of other Christians mock Trinitarianism.


Well if you think that Yoshke is part of G-d, then you believe in the Trinity to some extent

Annoyance:

... way to completely miss my point
 
2011-06-01 08:16:57 PM
It is planned that the campaign will spread to buses running throughout Sydney.

Now that this message is within reach of your average bus patron... the first stupid Allah sign that gets torn down and thrown on the floor by a derper will precipitate what?

www.jihadwatch.org
 
2011-06-01 08:17:02 PM

Callous: The difference is that Christians believe Jesus Christ IS GOD incarnate. Not simply a prophet. So to call him simply a prophet is insulting to Christian's beliefs.


Fark 'em.
 
2011-06-01 08:17:27 PM
Those Muslims have a funny way to go about encouraging better interfaith relations. Saying that Jesus is a prophet of Islam implies Jesus is not the Son of God which is central belief of Christianity.
 
2011-06-01 08:17:48 PM

mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?


I was just going to ask the same question.
 
2011-06-01 08:17:49 PM

Ordinary Genius: Infernalist: video man: iheartscotch: I always thought it was interesting that; deep down, where they'll never admit it; Islam, Judaism and Christianity are really the same religion. Just different interpretations on the same message.

Yeah. They all are related in the fact that it's all varying rehashes of Mesopotamian mythology.

To be fair, Christianity may have its roots in Judaism, but the whole 'Messiah', 'rose from the dead, had disciples, did miracles, died for the world' thing...

That was big all over the Mediterranean at the time. There were uncounted cults, all proclaiming the same thing with different Messiahs and such. But most of them were based off the mythology of Mithras, son of Ahura Mazda who pre-dates Christianity by some considerable degree.

Do some research

Because I'm lazy, could you point me in the right direction to start?

Another god commonly compared to Jesus is Mithras.

Formerly a sun god with a cult like following, then a demigod of Zoroastrianism, Mithras became the main focus of another religion, his namesake, Mithraism. Originating in Persia (modern day Iran) in roughly the 16th century BCE, Mithras first existed as a prominent god that was equated with the sun (Pre-Zoroastrian Mithra). His name in Persian was MIHR, meaning both "the sun" and "the friend".

When the monotheistic Zoroaster assembled the pagan gods into the religion he created, Mithras became the mediator between man and God (Wynne-Tyson, 21).

Mithraism itself flourished during the early days of Christianity, and it is believed that it was this religion which paved the way for the extreme popularity that Christianity received. The commonly accepted story of Mithras is as follows.

At the beginning of time, shepherds saw the infant Mithras emerge from a rock, carrying a knife and flaming torch, naked except for a Phrygian cap. The shepherds came and worshipped him, bringing him gifts as well. Early in his life, Mithras battled the sun and won, but later they became allies. He then conquered the Primeval Bull, which he dragged back to the cave where it lived; this was to represent the sufferings of mankind. The bull, whose name in Persian also translates into "life", escaped, so the sun commanded Mithras to hunt down and kill it. Rather against his will, Mithras found the bull with the help of his loyal dog, and managed to kill the beast by stabbing it in the side. The blood that poured from this wound created the useful plants and herbs, and its spinal cord produced the grain. By this, Mithras indirectly provided the Bread of Life.

At the end of his life, Mithras ascended into heaven in a chariot, but not before having a last supper with the men who had helped him.

This meal became one of the main rites of the Mithraists. Traditionally, Mithras' birthday is celebrated on the 25th of December, and his day of worship was Sunday. His rebirth was celebrated during what is currently Easter, in honor of the vernal equinox (Wynne-Tyson, 22-23)

It was said that the worshippers would "lay a stone image by night on a bier and liturgically mourn it, this image representing the dead God. This symbolical corpse is then placed in the tomb, and after a time it is withdrawn from it, whereupon the worshippers rejoice, exhorting one another to be of good cheer" (qtd in Wynne-Tyson, 24) There are also some similarities between Mithraism and Christianity in general, including a great flood in which Mithras appealed to a man to make an ark for his family and his animals (Wynne-Tyson, 24).

 
2011-06-01 08:17:53 PM

Millennium: They tend to be called heretics for that, though.


Yeah that's what I was thinking, I can't think of a single mainstream Xian group that rejects the trinity.
 
2011-06-01 08:18:27 PM
YES, The Qu'ran recognizes Jesus as a prophet.

SO THERE.
 
2011-06-01 08:19:19 PM
As a Christian, this is neither new or offensive to us.
 
2011-06-01 08:19:29 PM

SouthernManDunWrong: that He is the Son of God (not allah)


a) Throughout history there have been numerous Jews and Christians that spoke Arabic as their native tongue. Both groups use the word "Allah" when referring to God in Arabic. It's a contraction of al-ilah ( (the) God)) and is derived from the same root as one of the Hebrew words for God, אל "El". One of the greatest Jewish scholars in history, Maimonides, spent most of his life in Morocco and Egypt and wrote in a dialect of Arabic that is written with Hebrew script. "God" there is rendered as אללה (allah)

b) They believe the Gospels, like the Torah, to be a flawed revelation of God's word. Your quotation of the Gospel According to John would mean nothing to them.

/Spoiler: In the Koran, Jesus doesn't die on the cross.

//different religions are different.
 
2011-06-01 08:19:33 PM

mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?


It's considered offensive because the three major religions from the region hate being reminded that they all have the same god, who is apparently fond of the lame sitcom plot where a guy tries to go on a date with multiple girls at the same time without them knowing.

/That sentence got away from me.
 
2011-06-01 08:21:01 PM
What about the days of the week??? Every time you say you;re going to meet someone on Monday, you're worshiping the moon! Wednesday? ODIN! THOR! FREYA! SATURN!

I think they should all be given Christian names, and I suggest Reagansday1-Reagansday7. Likewise the months are named after pagans! Reaganuary1-Reaganuary12 would be appropriate I think.
 
2011-06-01 08:21:37 PM
What if I put up a billboard saying that the Islamic prophet Mohammed had sex with a 9-year-old?
 
2011-06-01 08:21:42 PM

Tatsuma: Well if you think that Yoshke is part of G-d, then you believe in the Trinity to some extent


Aren't we all part of G!d?
 
2011-06-01 08:21:44 PM
"Dey gib me teh lol."

Apparently you find lies amusing.
 
2011-06-01 08:24:04 PM

Millennium: They tend to be called heretics for that, though.


Not so much any more. A lot of the sects that do are relatively well established enough. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, it's not that much of an issue.

Tatsuma: Well if you think that Yoshke is part of G-d, then you believe in the Trinity to some extent


Sort of. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and some of the non-denominational groups flat out reject it. It's one of the more interesting aspects of Christianity, to me.
 
2011-06-01 08:24:23 PM

mahuika: miss diminutive: mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?

Since when have facts actually stopped people from herping and derping?

Sigh. Never.

Too bad there are no comments on the article. I wanted to see how outrageous the outrage would be.


Well you might have to wait awhile.
There are many kinds of Christians and I for one can care less what people think, say or write. My relationship with him is mine and mine alone.
I am wondering why people show hate for Christians yet the same ones will get in your face over anything negative said about a Muslim.
 
2011-06-01 08:25:51 PM

KimNorth: mahuika: miss diminutive: mahuika: WTH? How is it offensive if it's true?

Since when have facts actually stopped people from herping and derping?

Sigh. Never.

Too bad there are no comments on the article. I wanted to see how outrageous the outrage would be.

Well you might have to wait awhile.
There are many kinds of Christians and I for one can care less what people think, say or write. My relationship with him is mine and mine alone.
I am wondering why people show hate for Christians yet the same ones will get in your face over anything negative said about a Muslim.


I'll hate on anyone who tries to shove his religion in my face. I don't care what it is.
 
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