If liking the second movie makes me a geek, then tell me something I don't already know. I see it as a three part movie such as LOTR and Star Wars. Personally I can't wait for the third installment.
/all hail the King of Geeks

Only 118 days left until RotK!

NOAssmblyRequired-

Hell yeah man!!!!
Reloaded was awesome.
Everything goes so much deeper in that movie.
I think a lot of people just don't understand what is going on, so they label it "empty" and "full of eastern philosophy mumbo jumbo" (as one reveiwer put it.)
But look deeper and there is a lot to be understood from the movie.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what Agent Smith and the Oracle are up to. (although I have my theories)

I can't wait for Revolutions.

Reloaded was mindblowingly dope-a-matic. Anybody with more than about 100 neurons firing should be able to dig it. (inflammatory) This trailer IS different than the cinematic one, and I CANNOT wait for Revolutions.


Best
Trilogy
Ever
(since LOTR)

NoAssembly:

I think the same holds true for any trilogy you go to see. If someone were to go to the third LoTR before the first, they'd probably be left scratching their heads as to what's going on

The previews for RotK on the Two Towers DVD, are fan-farking-tastic. I get it a week in advance, see there are some advantages in working at Wal-Mart.

STOP GOING TO THE SITE! Too many people are going and I can't see it

7fw

Get BitTorrent and use this link to grab the file. I downloaded it in about 30 seconds.

My friend has a DVD quality copy of Reloaded on his computer.

/nothing

Reloaded was weaker than the first Matrix, because the first Matrix had an actual storyline. A beginning, middle, and end. Neo thinks everything is real, is shown the true reality, then masters the computer world. It was a total movie and could've ended RIGHT THERE. Reloaded tacks on to the end and is really pretty limp throughout. The characters have 'something' to do but it doesn't seem to be a crucial goal. The scene with the Oracle was the best one, I think, because it had some of the "hmm, I wonder" moments that were all throughout the first movie. The rest of Reloaded was polish.

Some of it didn't even make sense. At the end of Matrix, Neo was effectively a god, but in Reloaded he seems to toned back down. Sure, you could say that if Neo went around all god-like all the time, there wouldn't be much substance to the movie.. no sense of conflict. But that's exactly what happened. They toned him down and it STILL seemed sluggish.

They should've went from Matrix to Revolutions. Sum up Reloaded with a flashback or two. :P

Equilibrium was better!!! Hehe.

The whole Matrix thing is just so boring. Really lame stuff.

In the original you got to see genuine conflict and sacrifice by Morpheus, Neo's "coming of age" - a journey of discovery, and Trinity's softening from a tough biatch character. Also, the wire work, bullet time and CGI were fresh and original in this kind of movie.

In this one you got to see jumping on cars, awful impenetrable dialogue by the architect and many totally pointless fights which resulted in nothing important happening to the plot. There just wasn't anything personal happening to the main characters that you cared about.

I suspect if they'd made 2 and 3 a single 2 hour film, it would have been great.

And I really don't care if their perceived reality is just another level of the matrix. I don't care what happens to the characters any more, because they're no longer characters, just ciphers.

I always though Reloaded was just the middle of the story. In true trilogy sense, The Matrix is the beginning, where we learn about everything, Reloaded is the transition, the middle period, and Revolutions ties everything up.

Now, I know that's pretty obvious, but the point I'm making is, you can't look at Reloaded as it's own film. It was the middle of the story. Granted it wasn't as great as Empire or anything, but try to think of it in the story line.

Just a transition.

though = thought

/i'm an idiot

R

word up. equilibrium was brilliant.

Awful Impenetrable Dialogue by the Architect?
That's the farking point!
Satan (or demiurge) , the deceiver, confuser, bestower of ignorance, trying to confuse Neo into doing the wrong thing.

If someone in a movie is a liar, and they come off looking fake, contrived, are they a bad actor or a good actor?

2003-08-21 10:29:26 AM R
Equilibrium was better!!! Hehe.

I thought the movie was poor over all. Had they included more fight scenes and better writing, then my opinion would be different. The fight scenes that were there were good, though.

All hail jonnyb, voice of reason.

DasCor-cor:- I wasn't complaining about his acting, or whether he was trying to confuse us. I was complaining about ten minutes of drivel. If he's trying to do the Mephistopheles thing, he could have kept it a lot shorter. It was pointless padding.

Equilibrium was very lame. The shoot style was an obvious rip on the matrix. Furthermore, the story itself wasn't as deep as the film desperately wanted you to believe. No emotions? How come so many people in the film have temper tantrums? There are also many points where the story is forced. This is the future, where they have close to big brother intrusion in their lives, yet the guy can kill government agents, on two different occasions, without raising much alarm. Finally, he was too much of a super human to be compelling.

Equilibrium was better!!! Hehe.


not really....gunfights were cool but the story is a little poor

dioscaido

didnt get that part either...

Reloaded is half of the total movie... it ends in the middle. Wait until you see Revolutions at least before you start trashing the Matrix series as the worst ever.

You'd be surprised by how many people forget that.

Reloaded certainly is half a movie. I don't see that as a good thing. However, hopefully this movie has a good half too.

Smookyfufu: Agreed that it is the middle chapter, but each piece must hold up on its own. Loved the first movie, fresh, different, exciting. Hated Reloaded, because it seemed like they got so excited about doing CGi and special effects that they forgot to write a compelling story. Every narrative scene seemed like merely a setup to a fight.

There's no way in God's Green Earth that the 15 or so minute freeway chase/battle should have been dull and uninteresting, but damned if it was. I actually checked my watch at that point in the film... the curse of a boring film.

It looks like Hugo Weaving will once more single-handedly save another episode of The Matrix.

I would say Equilibrium was better than Reloaded. If anything, it was a fresh approach to wire-fu. It was not without its flaws, though some parts were clever, and overall I enjoyed it immensely.

And yes, Reloaded is part 2 of a trilogy. The whole trilogy needs to be viewed before drawing conclusions, yes, yes, but that doesn't change anything. Reloaded is largely thought to be stale compared to the first. The first also has an ending that doesn't segue into Reloaded very well. Matrix's ending seems like it belongs at the end of Reloaded, or maybe even Revolutions. The Bros have already said that the Matrix and its inhabitants will exist past the third movie (so they have yet to be 'shown the truth'). Why did they say this? To justify their Matrix MMORPG.

2003-08-21 10:59:52 AM Hebalo
Every narrative scene seemed like merely a setup to a fight.

However, the fights didn't progress a plot. The fight with the Oriental guy when he was going to see the Oracle - what was that all about? The Playstation quality Mr Smiths fight was unneccessary, and Neo just gave up and flew off when we all started getting bored anyway. The Keymaker (is that what he was called?) was just there to give the freeway chase a reason to be. He served no other purpose. You cut them out and you have no film, but you have not loss to the story either.

Nice one R

And in the theme of stuff that kicks the sh*te out of The Matrix.

Dark City


Ghost in the Shell


Serial Experiments Lain

If you play the videogame, the keymaker's role is defined a lot better.

And yes, along with being an idiot, I'm a video game geek.

I personally thought the looooong-ass fight scenes and the looooong ass dialog scenes were clumped together too much. It was like Action-dialog-action-dialog-orgy scene-action. it didn't flow as well as the first film. You know else sucked? Neo's friggin' cape-coat! what the hell is that?! the cool thing about the first movie was you could actually see his l33t kung-fu skillz because his legs were actually visable.

Supposing the Matrix still exists after the third one makes a whole lot of sense, despite your theory of supporting a MMOGLMNOP or whatever.

Post-Jesus, Krishna, Buddah, etc, the world continued to exist, much like it was before they arrived. The world will exist indefinitely, post however many reincarnations of "The One." Of course, I think likening Neo to those people is not entirely right to begin with.

I mean, do you really believe that the machines NEED humans for power? Understanding the human nervous system enough to simulate an entire world is way more complicated then say, inventing a nuclear power plant. Hence, I think there is something else going on entirely. At the end of the second movie, Neo, Morpheus and the like don't know up from down. And at the end of the second one, you realize that they never did. That despite Neo's powers, he never really knew anything. It's great because it takes the whole first movie and goes: "So What!"

The movies are such a great analogy.

I don't think that says anything different to the first movie. It took his world ripped it apart. It then put it back together again, which I suspect the third movie will do. It was just more compact and knew about pace and plot. As to the human battery thing, that's not really mentioned, so you're praising the second movie for something you're guessing might happen in the third.

I ought to admit I'm over-slamming the movie a little, just because people are arguing with me - I won't be watching it again, but it's not the worst movie I've seen this year. I did enjoy the freeway chase, and even the Mr Smiths' fight although it was too long and the CGI wasn't up to rendering it very well.

Anyway, I'm off. It's been fun.

After that last POS, I'm rooting fully for the matrix to kill everyone.

man, you guys are hard to please! Decades of impotent Hollywood garbage....The Matrix comes along and hits your RESET buttons, and now Reloaded "has no story"! Cripes! As for Equilibrium....PLEASE. I can't think of one thing in that film that WASN'T weak. I love Christian Bale and Sean Bean, but it was poorly written, bad looking, maudlin, trite, forced, wooden, and ultimately derivative, without even enough craft to show respect for the root of its derivation. If Reloaded is lame, then there is no film...

werkbot: Yah! and screw you guys for ripping on Episode II:ATOC as well. now shut up and blindly follow anything remotely sci fi!

Come on. It is possible to be a fan, and to also call bullshiat at the same time. Reloaded had a story, it was just a crappy one. it existed solely to move us from fight to fight. The first Matrix was interesting, involving, and exciting.

Reloaded was dull, chock full of filler, and more concerned with looking good than entertaining and fulfilling.

If you can honestly say you were involved and engrossed by the lenghty pseudo-pop psychology and the annoying french guy, the pointlessness of the the Oracle's henchman scene, and the draggy freeway crap, you must be a bigger man than I.

Give me Pirates of the Carribean anyday over Reloaded. At least they didn't take themselves overly serious and have pole rammed up their asses for 2 hours.

OK, OK - The playground fight in Reloaded was just action for action's sake - but I liked it. Nothing like a classic pole-bludgeoning (watch it!) for thrills. The Freeway was a little too "action movie", but again, I liked it.


I Liked the Merovingian...even the Architect, because they amused and confused me, respectively. I like not being able to "get it" immediately, for sure not seeing the story coming is refreshing. It challenges me to hold on, mentally. Movies almost never do that anymore.

PS - not Pop Psychology, old-school Philosophy.
Top-Fuel brain teasers.

Dark City was great. Ghost in the Shell was crap.

Go to www.thematrix.com and click on the trailer icon on the left hand side of the screen. Then go to the place where it says download, then select the one you want. Much faster.

Cripes! As for Equilibrium....PLEASE. I can't think of one thing in that film that WASN'T weak. I love Christian Bale and Sean Bean, but it was poorly written, bad looking, maudlin, trite, forced, wooden, and ultimately derivative, without even enough craft to show respect for the root of its derivation.

Hmmm, I'd just like to say: the exact opposite of this post. And also stop trolling.

Science fiction and fantasy, done correctly, are the heirs of epic poetry. They create scenes in order to address meaning... what does it mean to be X, or to have to do Y?

Ghost in the Shell is a bit earlier, mind you... and although the style is different, it addresses the same theme... all of this stuff is just a take on Plato's Cave.

I thought the combat scenes were lovely and meditative. Not everybody's cup of tea, but I enjoyed it.
I'll take this stuff, which at least attempts to creat a coherent internal and external mythos, over the typical run of Hollywood pap that came out this summer....

Did anyone else catch Monica Belluci in the red latex?

define trolling. -me ignorant

2003-08-21 10:29:26 AM R


Equilibrium was better!!! Hehe.


the Gun-Kata fights in Equilibrium were phucking awesome.. best shiite ive seen in a long time.

It's gonna suck as bad as Reloaded.