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9528 clicks; posted to Main » on 21 Aug 2003 at 12:16 AM (14 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2003-08-20 10:23:31 PM  
Switch to Linux home users and you won't be be mulling retarded patches inherent to retarded Microsoft software
2003-08-20 10:41:27 PM  
..Because grandma is such a l33t hax0r, right Everyone?

I was wondering what they're going to do about the retarded corporate users myself.
2003-08-20 11:02:06 PM  
How about instead Microsoft hires some of the guys that work at Symantic (sp?) and they close some of the holes Microsoft left open in their code. I actually like Microsoft products (/ducks) for the most part since they allow me to do what I need to get done - Sure Visual interdev has some (many) annoying bugs, but even the most anti-microsoft programmer has to admit that lots of these viruses are due to Microsoft having a target the size of Bill Gates' billfold on their backs.
2003-08-20 11:08:51 PM  
InterDev Rulez!
*hides behind Chewi*
2003-08-21 12:15:17 AM  
I would venture to guess that there are quite a few Farkers that have moms and/or dads that aren't too Intarweb savvy.
2003-08-21 12:21:25 AM  
The ones who aren't savvy also don't have high-speed internet access. If you had never installed any patches before, could you imagine downloading everything up to service pack four on a 56k modem?
2003-08-21 12:22:08 AM  
It can be turned off, so what's the big deal? If you know enough to turn it off odds are you know enough to patch your system by yourself.
2003-08-21 12:22:57 AM  
Too bad MacOSX already has automatic updates...

Simpsons, er, Apple Did It!!

Hell, if only I were smart enough to wait and see what Jobs does and then copy it six months later, I could be like Bill...
2003-08-21 12:23:05 AM  
bad idea

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2003-08-21 12:24:14 AM  
Here's my problem -- privacy. This basically lets MS install DRM and other shiatty stuff without me knowing, and honestly, that's scary.
2003-08-21 12:25:34 AM  
Hey, when in doubt, hire a monkey. Their union sucks.
2003-08-21 12:26:58 AM  
Ahh perhaps I can deal with the problem myself.

A good solution would be to have the ability to turn this sort of 'feature' off, if they ever did implement it.
2003-08-21 12:29:42 AM  
If a user isn't tech savvy enough to operate a part of their equipment properly, then its reasonable to allow the OS to do it for them, it already does it for a whole host of other gear...

As for who is in control of the PC and what gets downloaded, guess who wrote that OS, if they wanted to backdoor it in, they'd do it at install and include it in the EULA's

I'd rather have MS downloading security software onto a machine, than some random cracker / script kiddy, which then bomabards my network with DDOS's etc.

I personally don't think that DMA controller should be in charge of moving data around with the cPU or myself in charge, I can do it better and faster than it can, and i can make sure it doesn't snake in code in there..

Quit being so paranoid and lets just get the security holes plugged, and mom and pop networks secured.
2003-08-21 12:30:04 AM  
The ones who aren't savvy also don't have high-speed internet access. Not always true. I've installed networks for a few family friends that don't know shiat about computers and they all have Optimum Online(touted to be one of the fastest cable modem ISPs in the nation). Most of them just leave their little boxes on the net with no firewall no virus scanner no anything. They deserve what they get.
2003-08-21 12:31:15 AM  
You'd think it would be easier and more cost-effective to just write secure software in the first place.
2003-08-21 12:32:01 AM  
I can see both sides of this debate....

One Side: Most Windows users don't know what a patch is or why it's installed. For example, my mother and sister are not computer whizzes, but know to say "no" to things they don't understand.

Other Side: Privacy issues, don't mess with my computer without my approval.

This should be an interesting flamewar, both sides will have good points.
2003-08-21 12:32:51 AM  
I have one, repeat ONE good reason for liking Windows:

I'm a PC gamer, and PC games require Windows. I'll be damned if I'm going to switch to Macs and wait forever for a Mac version of a game (if one comes out at all), and I'll be equally damned if I'm going to re-compile a farking Linux kernel every time I want to play Tropico.

If there was good cross-platform support from game developers, I'd ditch WinXP. But for now, I make Windows Update part of my daily Web surfing.
2003-08-21 12:33:03 AM  
I have both a Windows pc and a Mac, I don't mind the automatic updates on the Mac. Those have never broken anything. But the automatic update for Windows has caused more problems than its worth.

Trustworthy computing?
2003-08-21 12:33:48 AM  

Nice pipe dream. I wish it were that easy, but Windows is bloatware now :(
2003-08-21 12:34:38 AM  

That's a good one, I'm writing that down.
2003-08-21 12:34:55 AM  
Why the hell is this labeled Stupid?
It's probably the smartest thing microsoft ever did.
For all you "super users" as you like to think of yourselves, you would hopefully be smart off to turn OFF the automatic setting, and get the patches manually.

Actually, the smartest thing would be if they set up a partnership to include a good virus scanner with updates, a good firewall, and automatic windows updates with their operating system.

The amount of money wasted on chasing down worms and virii is ten fold the cost of packaging the stuff in the first place.

Get your heads out of your asses and your asses off the "Microsoft Sucks" bandwagon.
Yeah, Linux is lovely. I'd love to see if Linux had the popularity of Windows. We'd be far worse off with the security holes left open by stupid Linux users.
2003-08-21 12:36:50 AM  
How about every computer sold, sold with a software firewall minimum (I know XP has one), but another in addition, like ZoneAlarm ? An extra $40 will not break ya, if you are buying a 'puter.

"Switch to Linux home users and you won't be be mulling retarded patches inherent to retarded Microsoft software "

Please go back to /. if you're going tobe so shortsighted. One, Linux systems are not sold in most retail stores as a starter system. Two, it's only about educating the end users not to do stupid things. I wish Linux was mature enough for general consumption, but at the moment, it has not got there yet.

2003-08-21 12:37:19 AM  
Hey Linux geeks:

2003-08-21 12:37:22 AM  
Honestly, this is good. Now idiots can be up to date... and anyone concerned (read: paranoid) enough to care about Microsoft reading their email has a real reason to switch to something else.
2003-08-21 12:37:58 AM  
does anyone here even have a legitimate reason for disliking windows? i get so sick that elitist crap. music/bands are even worse though. sigh...
2003-08-21 12:39:33 AM  
No, this is stupid. Like everything else Microsoft does it will have a gaping security hole and somoene with h4x0r it and make a worm that automatically installs itself on every machine that hasnt turned it off.
2003-08-21 12:41:45 AM  

i end up supporting windows. that is ample legitimate reason.
2003-08-21 12:43:34 AM  
I supprised Bruce Schneier went in for this. other news cats are sleeping with dogs, yadda yadda.
2003-08-21 12:45:20 AM  
Yeah Linux never has patches.
Well check here like I do everyday.

I like and use Linux 50/50 with MS. But don't start with the Linux l337 crap.
2003-08-21 12:46:36 AM  
For everyone going on about "stupid users", and the need for big brother automatic patching: did any of you go through that last nightmare XP SP1?

That "patch" was horrific. I trust Microsoft to fix my box as much as I trust a dealer to fix my car.
2003-08-21 12:47:55 AM  
Look, it's really simple. The OS' can coexist, you just get the one depending on what you plan on using it for.

Games, business applications, internet

Audio/video editing, graphics design, high-end animation

network administration
2003-08-21 12:48:32 AM  
Visual Interdev has _some_ problems?
That whole Visual Studio has problems (well, the C++ is pretty good).
That damned software would sieze control everytime some damned web page had an error in it, then it would pop open the whole IDE and try to coax me to debug it.
My ass.
Then you close it and all your browser windows close on you.

Borland Delphi Pascal is your friend.

But I do like Microsoft non-programming tools.
Shame some people just don't know how the foo to turn off some of the things that make it vulnerable.

I sure hope Linux takes over 40% of the market, just so they can get the virii and stfu. [Nothing personal, but that smugness gets old. It's nothing to do with any super-Linux ability, rather that nobody gives enough of a foo to bother writing them. Same with Mac. We all know there have been viruses for both, so it is possible.
2003-08-21 12:49:39 AM  
I think all this stuff in so inconvenient. Some people with computers need to learn how to use them. Windows XP is like going to Kindergarten again. It holds youer hand for whatever you do and tells you all these little "facts" on what you should and shouldn't be doing.

2003-08-21 12:50:02 AM  
stebain: pity some people don't know how to turn off script debugging either.
2003-08-21 12:50:27 AM  
Yeah, I was making sweeping generalizations. I'm just saying that this will cause a few headaches for dialup guys, especially after a clean install. (Even though they should be installing patches anyway)
2003-08-21 12:50:41 AM  
What's stupid is that you'd rather rely on X million people to figure out how to get updates on a regular basis, when most can barely handle using Word.

With your defense being the .01% chance that someone hacks
2003-08-21 12:50:58 AM  
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yep you knew it was ya go lovers!
2003-08-21 12:53:37 AM  
*giggles and hides behind charliex*
2003-08-21 12:56:57 AM  

Try loading InterDev and turning off script debugging.

Some combination of InterDev's settings and IE settings seemed to be ignoring the option.
Spent months in newsgroups trying to get rid of it, to no avail. Others had the same issue.

Fortunately, the project I needed it for ended and I haven't had to bother with it again.
2003-08-21 12:57:54 AM  
Let's just all go open source and then when businesses need support they can call the magical support fairies that work at companies that can't pay them because they can't generate any decent revenue because they give away their product.

/sarcasm off -- just to rib the Linux ppl a bit. Take a joke, please --it's not flame bait.

I'm a huge nerd and I was a former Mac Head, then a Win Head and I've dabbled in Linux and FreeBSD and they ALL have their strong points. Can we just agree on that?

Microsoft bashing is like beating up the kids that ride the short bus, fun and easy but not really satisfying. Say all the bad stuff you want about them (and I'll admit and am well aware that they are far from a perfect company with far from perfect software) but their contribution to computing has greatly pushed us quicker into the global economy and society we live in today.
2003-08-21 12:58:08 AM  
It's a great idea. I ran security for a research org and even though I worked with smart people, the only time anti-virus software was effective was when the updates would automatically load. People focused on things other than computers simply don't think about it.

It's easy to sit back and say 'they get what they deserve'. But in the real world, most people can't be bothered and frankly, I'm sick and goddamn tired of deleting spurious emails from the sobig virus. My systems are clean, but my wife and I have received more than 1,000 garbage e-mails at home today. I can only imagine the bandwidth waste at an organization of any significant size.

Automate security updates and the 'morons' suddenly don't bother us as much.
2003-08-21 12:58:11 AM  
"And my Windows computer went 'beep beep bep', but because I get stoned too much and was afraid to learn about computers, I bought an Apple, which no one writes viruses for, because really, how many people do you know that owns an Apple ?

You got any weed ?"

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2003-08-21 12:58:15 AM  
While we are horking other OSs:

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2003-08-21 12:58:49 AM  
their built-in firewall doesn't do jack. well, i guess it does jack but it still doesnt do sh|t.
2003-08-21 12:59:01 AM  
Home users? What about retarded corporate and *cough* government users?
2003-08-21 01:00:22 AM  
2003-08-21 12:58:09 AM Madame.M
that was sexy.
2003-08-21 01:01:28 AM  
What about retarded corporate and *cough* government users?

You're kidding? There are government workers that can't handle-handle-it?
2003-08-21 01:02:19 AM  
Uhm............ Instead of forcing users like cattle, why not ask on first bootup? The ability to automatically download patches seems perrr it tee darn important if ya ask me. Jeez, gimme a damn job at MS
2003-08-21 01:03:18 AM  
yeah, i'll switch to linux because that is secure.
2003-08-21 01:04:21 AM  
microsoft " lets make .mp3 an illegal file type that is auto deleted"
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