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2003-08-20 07:37:15 AM  
They say the "attack on a MS website proved harmless" ?? Apparantly they werent inside of a network where the firewall got DDOSed. Some fark for brains smuggled this gem inside the network on their laptop and all hell broke loose. I hardly call that harmless. Having to go around patching halfwit's machines and kick them in the jewels. Albeit not my responsibility to track this junk down, it had to be done.
 
2003-08-20 07:38:03 AM  
In other news, fark.com will be renamed to followup.com
 
2003-08-20 07:38:14 AM  
Is that what it was?
We noticed a huge increase in executable attachments yesterday, and I threw together a filter to catch and throw it away.
I figured I'd watch the news today and find out what it was, but here it is on Fark already.
 
2003-08-20 07:43:32 AM  
The virus will then send itself out to names found in the victim's address book and will use one of these names to forge a return address. As such, the infected party may not quickly learn of the infection, while an innocent party may get the blame for helping to propagate it.

ha this morning i got 2 emails from my school's listserve saying "your message 'Re: Details' has been sent to the moderator"
 
2003-08-20 07:43:45 AM  
Just one more reason why e-mail ranks at the bottom of methods to get my attention. I check it maybe once a week, and (lo and behold) rarely find more than one or two useful emails in a sea of spam and virii.
 
2003-08-20 07:49:35 AM  
i think there should be a virus that sends me SBB girls..
 
2003-08-20 07:50:28 AM  
SBB girls may give you a virus.
 
2003-08-20 07:54:06 AM  
Hint: When it says "Please see attached files", DON'T.
 
2003-08-20 07:55:09 AM  
DAMN YOU MARY AND JIM!!!!1`
 
2003-08-20 08:01:36 AM  
The virus will then send itself out to names found in the victim's address book and will use one of these names to forge a return address. As such, the infected party may not quickly learn of the infection, while an innocent party may get the blame for helping to propagate it.

So as my wife is recieving 40 emails/hour with this thing in it with message headers indicating that the emails were either from her address or the address she used at her former employer it was difficult to explain to her that her machine was not infected but that some nitwit with her address in their addressbook was. She asks "When will this stop?" and I say "When whoever has this worm figures it out and removes it."

Ugh...too early.
 
2003-08-20 08:02:54 AM  
mattos = asshat!
 
2003-08-20 08:04:14 AM  
...and Mac users continue to feel smug in their immunity to every famous virus, worm, or trojan horse anyone's ever heard of.
 
2003-08-20 08:06:18 AM  
How long has this kind of thing been going on? How long now have we had viruses from opening attachments? At this stage of the game I have to think that everyone who gets infected with this thing deserves it. NewsFlash: Opening attachments in e-mails can get you into lots of trouble.
 
2003-08-20 08:07:20 AM  
Don't. Open. Attachments.

This isn't rocket surgery, people.
 
2003-08-20 08:09:06 AM  
...smuggosity ensues.

dammit jim, i need to make a 'smug' tag for this scheiss.

/now playing: james brown
 
2003-08-20 08:11:52 AM  
The extension on the payload is frikken *.pif. Umm..do people read anything any more?

Damn irritating worm though. Hope people catch this quick and end it.
 
2003-08-20 08:15:29 AM  
Immunity? Or is it just that so few people own Macs (proportionally) that it's not worth anyone's time to write them?
 
2003-08-20 08:16:36 AM  
There's one extention that's scr. It's wicked_scr.scr.
 
2003-08-20 08:17:36 AM  
Spamdog:
Why is mattos an asshat? because his email address was in someones addressbook that got this virus? Yeah, what a jerk!
 
2003-08-20 08:17:46 AM  
...and Mac users continue to feel smug in their immunity to every famous virus, worm, or trojan horse anyone's ever heard of.

They're not immune. I guess virii makers don't feel the urge to make a virus for 5% of the market.
 
2003-08-20 08:18:07 AM  
From a programming perspective, it's a lot easier to bust into a Windows box than a Unix box. Windows boxes tend to leave many more ports open stock than a Unix box. Unix boxen often resemble paranoid shut-ins. Most Macs nowadays run OS X, which means they run Unix, BSD Unix in fact, which not only resembles a paranoid shut-in, but one with a gun trained on the door.

/still smug
 
2003-08-20 08:19:52 AM  
I bet that if the file were called "virus.exe" people would still open it.
 
2003-08-20 08:19:53 AM  
One more reason why people really need to consider taking a class or two before buying a computer. I don't mean it to be derogatory or anything, but people go to Best Buy or whatever and spend hundreds of dollars on this big box with a TV attached to it and they don't read ahead about basic stuff regarding keeping it clean - like not opening attachments or regularly running Windowsupdate or using antivirus software. A lot of these problems could be avoided at the end-user level.
 
2003-08-20 08:22:21 AM  
The rapid propogation of the SoBig virus is yet more evidence that the human population is rapidly swirling down the drain of stupidity.

No matter how many times moronic computer users are told - they just can't help clicking on those .scr attachments.

Ooooo... Wicked_scr.scr.... must click... must click....
 
2003-08-20 08:23:21 AM  
Just what is "the worth" of writing these computer viruses, anyway? Use your powers for good not evil.
 
2003-08-20 08:27:35 AM  
I'd love to see psychological profiles of virus authors. Is it ingenuity coupled with boredom or bitterness and mischief that drives these tards? Whatever, just another among many reasons I'm a happy Macfappy.
 
2003-08-20 08:31:50 AM  
I swear, some day I'm going to write a horrendously evil mac virus, just to shut mac users up.
 
2003-08-20 08:35:36 AM  
People would open attachments, even it were named 'don't farking open me'

http://msn.bbspot.com/News/2002/01/open.html
 
2003-08-20 08:36:15 AM  
The article is rather incomplete; one of the things that set this virus apart from many others, was the fact this it didn't just retrieve e-mail addresses from MS Outlook / Outlook Express, but also from any .dbx, .eml, .hlp, .htm, .html, .mht, .wab and .txt file it can find on an infected system.

I can only be glad that we spotted the virus-emails in time, so that I could warn all our employees on all floors in time; I know it's stupid, but if you don't tell them repeatedly, they WILL eventually open up an unknown attachment, and I guess our company is not the only company in the world where the employees can be as clumsy as that.
 
2003-08-20 08:36:36 AM  
Oh come on now, SquirrelWithLargeNuts, we Mac users have had viruses in the past. We had CDEF. That was what, 1987? 88?

/tip your waitresses, i'll be smug here all day
 
2003-08-20 08:36:47 AM  
It's not that Mac users are immune to viruses, it's just that the viruses can't find any Macs to infect...
 
2003-08-20 08:36:57 AM  
I was disappointed that I didn't recieve any virii attachments yesterday up until about midnight. But 7:00 today I wake up and bam I got about 27 Spamzors and about 6 mails with the .pif attachments.

I have at least 7 different virii saved so if any of you need them one day, just ask.
 
2003-08-20 08:38:10 AM  
I think they should shut down the internet until we all learn to behave
 
2003-08-20 08:41:04 AM  
hmmm i don't know, see whenever someone bothers to take the time to send me something with an attachment then i think it's rude not to open it up and you never know it could actually be genuine nude pictures of anna kournikova.
 
2003-08-20 08:44:11 AM  
"I swear, some day I'm going to write a horrendously evil mac virus, just to shut mac users up."

Someone already beat you to it. It's called IE.

/on Safari
 
2003-08-20 08:46:29 AM  
YankinDaneland: Oh yeah, totally. I thought the guy opened it. me = asshat. sorry mattos!
 
2003-08-20 08:49:19 AM  
I know where a Mac is right now. It's out by my curb. I got it out of a dumpster It did'nt work so back to the trash it went. Good place for it.
 
2003-08-20 08:49:22 AM  
SherKhan
"I'd love to see psychological profiles of virus authors. Is it ingenuity coupled with boredom or bitterness and mischief that drives these tards?"

I'd love to see the psychological profiles of the idiots who let the virus affect thier PCs. Perhaps they also leave their front doors open and keep their savings in a glass jar on the front lawn too.
 
2003-08-20 08:56:28 AM  
blumf, personally i'm not so smugly superior in my computer skills that i believe that having little to no computer knowledge makes you a complete idiot and a mental case, do you work in IT support by any chance?
 
2003-08-20 08:57:02 AM  
I had literally 40 copies of this in my inbox this morning - various subject lines, but all the messages said the same "click on the attachment for details...." And each is 100K and I use Yahoo for all my personal mail, so I was way over my size limit - such an annoyance.....
 
2003-08-20 08:59:06 AM  
100k virus?
 
2003-08-20 08:59:46 AM  
Someone already beat you to it. It's called IE.

*sigh* beaten by microsoft...atleast Wozniak and I have something in common.
 
2003-08-20 09:01:06 AM  
I got it with the subject lines:

"My details;"
"Thanks a lot!;" and,
"Wicked Screensaver."
 
2003-08-20 09:01:45 AM  
Mmm, Woz-zy goodness.

Truly, an engineering God.

If the Woz was still making Smackintoshes, your Mac OS would be 40k in size and do everything you ever wanted it to do.
 
2003-08-20 09:05:09 AM  
I use SCR files everyday in AutoCAD - can someone explain what exactly a scr file does in windows? In autocad its just a script - i use it to batch process drawings.
 
2003-08-20 09:05:26 AM  
It's a screen saver file.
 
2003-08-20 09:05:45 AM  
I infected my puter once.
My sister had sent about 40 emails with pictures in quick succession.
I was rolling through them clicking the images and right in the middle of her emails was one with that fricking snowwhite and the seven dwarfs screensaver virus.
I forget what the virus was.
 
2003-08-20 09:11:09 AM  
2003-08-20 07:49:35 AM SteelBoots
i think there should be a virus that sends me SBB girls..


I think you're more likely to get a virus from the SBB girls..
 
2003-08-20 09:13:16 AM  
Ya know, I keep seeing everyone talking about how many copies of this thing have been blocked and how many e-mails they've recived.

Not had a single one appear, nor has Norton biatched that it's found it. I guess I'm just not loved :(
 
2003-08-20 09:14:15 AM  
Same here, sarah_t_s . Isn't it sad when you can't find someone to infect you?
 
2003-08-20 09:16:34 AM  
Yeah... why would anybody open an attachment from an unknown source without first making sure it was in no way executable? Not a hard thing to do. At least open it in a HEX editor and make sure it have proper headers...

Ok, maybe a hard thing... so just don't open attachments. If you don't know how to check them you sure won't know how to fix the crap they may inflict on your machine...

Oh, and these aren't viruses, they are programs or scripts that a user opens knowingly. (Albeit from mis-information.)

/End Rant
 
2003-08-20 09:17:38 AM  
That would be Hybris or one of it's variant, Stebain.
 
2003-08-20 09:21:12 AM  
I just finished deleting 140 of these buggers. I'm going home if this is any indication of what kind of day it's gonna be.
 
2003-08-20 09:22:17 AM  
TheDailyLlama
"blumf, personally i'm not so smugly superior in my computer skills that i believe that having little to no computer knowledge makes you a complete idiot and a mental case"

I'm not a mechanical eng. but I did spend some time learning how to drive a car. I'm not a chemistry or biology prof. but I do know not to drink bleech. I'm not a bank manager, but I know that I should ballance my accounts. I'm not a locksmith, but I can secure my front door.

I manage to do all this, why can't windows user manage to run a simple firewall and virus scanner?

"do you work in IT support by any chance?"

Close, software developer :)
 
2003-08-20 09:24:55 AM  
i think there should be a virus that sends me SBB girls..

Come ON! These girls are ugly! Either Drew married one of them, or he receives money from SbB; I can't figure out any other reason why he would wish to endorse a site that employs such a bunch of obviously unattractive girls. Did anyone ever look at their faces or chests? I mean... YUCK! I'd rather have a mailbox filled with Sobig.F than having to date one of these 'girls'.
 
2003-08-20 09:25:51 AM  
Pseudo Psy
Yeah, it's a major pain... I've got spam gallore but not a single infection :-/

Damn you to hell internet... send me a virus... :)
 
2003-08-20 09:27:32 AM  
it's that time of year
 
2003-08-20 09:29:58 AM  
shintaro
None of us have really looked above the shoulders.
 
2003-08-20 09:34:22 AM  
350+ came in last night, and I was deleting 'em all day yesterday..... been putting off installing a spam bouncer on the server, guess its time (ok, day before yesterday would have been a better time).
 
2003-08-20 09:36:02 AM  
blumf

"I manage to do all this, why can't windows user manage to run a simple firewall and virus scanner?"

my grandma uses windows. she uses it for email and to order her shopping online. she doesn't know what a firewall is let alone how to run it. i don't think that this makes her, or any of the millions of normal people out there who have a home computer but who don't have knowledge of firewalls or virus scanners, idiots.
 
2003-08-20 09:38:13 AM  

None of us have really looked above the shoulders.


Well, at least that explains a lot :-)
 
2003-08-20 09:39:34 AM  
On the other hand, if grandma watch TV, she would have to be really dumb not to have heard of worm/virus/whatnot on computers and of the need to protect yourself.
 
2003-08-20 09:41:36 AM  
Me want Mac!
 
2003-08-20 09:46:37 AM  
@TheDailyLlama:

I would have to disagree with you there: a computer is not something like a television, a toaster, or a vcr. This means that reading the manual that came with the thing simply isn't enough to prepare a person for using his/her computer; one will have to read through lots and lots of documentation of each piece of software when one uses it for the first time. If you would turn computers into the sort of appliances I mentioned above, you would take away the inherent power of the machine, and end up with a consumer product.

Now I've got nothing against consumers, since I'm a big consumer myself, but to take this approach when talking about computers is simply ludicrous. The very nature of the machine makes it a complex being, so anyone who wishes to use a computer should get accustomed to this complexity.

Or we should simply create a division between Consumer Computers and Real Computers - this would be a great solution, for it would allow the geeks amongst us to command the true power of their equipment, while computers aimed at the consumer-market would have to provide a certain sense of simplicity and security (and yes, this would mean hell for the programmers, since you'd have to be able to provice certain guarantees with these consumer systems, but hey... atleast you could keep these systems much more simplistic than the real thing).

Just my 2 cents.
 
2003-08-20 09:55:52 AM  
I just got done removing 38 copies of the crap virus and it keeps popping up in my inbox every 10-15 minutes. I'm just about to go crazy!
 
2003-08-20 09:57:07 AM  
TheDailyLlama
"my grandma uses windows. she uses it for email and to order her shopping online. she doesn't know what a firewall is let alone how to run it."

Why? Is she an idiot or just plain lazy? It doesn't take an IT genius to run a firewall or a virus scanner, so what is her excuse? As I pointed out, there are pleanty of things I'm not an expert at but I still know how to use properly, computers are no diffrent.

"i don't think that this makes her, or any of the millions of normal people out there who have a home computer but who don't have knowledge of firewalls or virus scanners, idiots."

Well actually it does, the information is out there, they chose to use the computer, they now have a resoniblity to use it properly.

Free, easy to use firewalls/scanners are out there ready for any literate person to use. No excuses!
 
2003-08-20 09:59:26 AM  
You expect a lot from people don't you blumf, not everyone can be the acnie pitted computer geek you are. They may strive for it, and hope for it yes, but they will never quite reach your level of geekness. You should be proud!
 
2003-08-20 10:03:27 AM  
Calling grandmas idiots aint exactly the most politic tactic. Polly want a tic tac tic?

;-)
 
2003-08-20 10:08:15 AM  
forcebender
"You expect a lot from people don't you blumf, not everyone can be the acnie pitted computer geek you are. They may strive for it, and hope for it yes, but they will never quite reach your level of geekness. You should be proud!"

I don't expect much at all. How easy does it have to get? Perhaps mommy still wipes your ass for you because the toilet paper is confusing and scary.

Its not hard. If you find the idea of installing a firewall and virus scanner hard maybe you have severe learning difficulties, in which case, get you assigned guardian to help you.

Again, I manage to do thing in all sorts area of life (banking, cooking, driving, etc etc) yet I'm not an expert in any of them, so how come you and your drooling friends can't cope with installing a simple little software package?
 
2003-08-20 10:11:16 AM  
SherKhan
"Calling grandmas idiots aint exactly the most politic tactic. Polly want a tic tac tic? ;-)"

Now in all fairness, I gave the option of lazy too :)
 
2003-08-20 10:16:02 AM  
In defense of blumf, I know of people with Down Syndrome who are smart enough to figure out how to run firewalls and virus-scanners on their own, so what's the big problem grandma's seem to have? Come ON! My 88 year-old aunt even figured out how to keep track of virus-info, and she'll even extract the occasional .dll from a .cab-file if she needs to, so... what is the big problem here? Has the majority of the planet indeed turned into a bunch of complete morons?
 
2003-08-20 10:18:18 AM  
I got an email this morning from microsoft, said they were sending me a patch to fix the security flaw in IE. i deleted it right away. if i wanted to fix the security flaw in IE i'll just use windows updater.
 
2003-08-20 10:20:04 AM  
My email was jacked from someones address book and used to send the .pid file (WTF is a .pid file?).

Could be anyone....even the penis enlargement company that has my email and thousands of others stored in it's email list.

As of now, most of my emails have come from agitated UK compouter users.
 
2003-08-20 10:20:43 AM  
In my experience, grandmas know enough to download every bit of crap they can find on the internet or get on a CD and install it on their machine, so you have frogs bouncing across the screen every 20 seconds, animated wallpapers, semi-installed AOL disks, etc. etc.

But running the Windows Update once in a while seems to be beyond them.
 
2003-08-20 10:21:41 AM  
i think the thing with old people not knowing how to use virus scans and stuff is they have other things they need to be worrying about. like not crocking in the middle of the nights, not driving through farmers markets and diapers..


/hate old people
 
2003-08-20 10:28:00 AM  
You should live where I live....100 people over the age of 60 for every computer.

Iowa....it's alot like the 70's...except not any fun.
 
2003-08-20 10:29:58 AM  
blumf

windows was designed to be user friendly, so that an ordinary person can use it for games/email/managing finances/surfing the internet/whatever the hell they want to use it for. the ordinary person who uses a computer for these things does not know how to operate a firewall. most people actually have lives that they don't spend at the computer 24/7 (not me sadly) and they use the computer for what they want to use it for and that's it, they aren't microsoft certified and they don't read computer geek monthly. the fact that you are and that you do and that this means you're aware of how to protect your computer doesn't make you intellectually superior to these people, but thinking that it does just makes you seem an arrogant git.
 
2003-08-20 10:33:03 AM  
MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE!
 
2003-08-20 10:37:14 AM  
Grandma's are idiots.

Fark em. I hope they stop Emailing me their virii.
 
2003-08-20 10:38:14 AM  
Well said "TheDailyLlama". I am sick of these people who think they are computer "experts" because they have read a book or have been certified in one thing or another. Anyone can do that.
 
2003-08-20 10:40:10 AM  
I'm a computer expert.

Except that when I say "computer," I mean "roof and gutter cleaning." It's a glamorous life.

Go figure.
 
2003-08-20 10:40:26 AM  
TheDailyLlama
"windows was designed to be user friendly, so that an ordinary person can use it for games/email/managing finances/surfing the internet/whatever the hell they want to use it for. the ordinary person who uses a computer for these things does not know how to operate a firewall."

Again with the excuses! YOU DO NOT NEED TO KNOW THE DETAILS, YOU JUST INSTALL IT!

Can you even read?

"they aren't microsoft certified and they don't read computer geek monthly. the fact that you are and that you do and that this means you're aware of how to protect your computer doesn't make you intellectually superior to these people, but thinking that it does just makes you seem an arrogant git."

It is not hard! It is easy! You must be a bit slow! Read what I have written, think about it, it is not hard!

I'm not claming to be smarter than anybody else. Just pointing out that you don't need to be IT trained to use some basic security systems. An dthat if you don't use such systems, you are being dumb and/or lazy.
 
2003-08-20 10:40:43 AM  
while i agree that Linux is superior to all other operating systems, it IS NOT immune to the effects of this virus. i work for a web-hosting company and because some asshats who happened to have an address book entry for a domain (hosted on a linux server) opened the virus, one of our servers lost all email capability and was flooded with returned messages. the virus spoofs the return address. any OS can be affected, albeit not INfected. this virus blows huge squirrel nuts. and the people who infected their systems with it need to be banned from computer usage in exchange for a few years of "re-education" which may not be fun, and quite possibly will leave physical scars or deformation.
 
2003-08-20 10:42:30 AM  
Buy a Mac!
 
2003-08-20 10:42:46 AM  
yeah you're right blumf i am slow and i can't read and my grandma is a lazy idiot. and you are wonderful and clever with your superior computer knowledge. and not at all arrogant. and i bet you get laid a LOT!
 
2003-08-20 10:45:01 AM  
So far I have gotten about 75 of these friggin emails to my yahoo account. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!

-------------------

Why did AOL make it so easy for idiots to get email?

Typical AOL idiots: "Hey, look! A screensaver from a stranger, let me download it and open it."

"Who needs Norton, thats costs money."

"I never back up my files."

"PIF file? I wonder what that is, let's open it and find out!"
 
2003-08-20 10:45:05 AM  
Come on, zippythechimp, if you read about something like SARS for example, you can't tell me that you don't spend the next day reading all about this phenomena that you can find. If someone reads something about a computer-virus and (s)he happens to own a computer, the least you can expect someone to do is to read everything they can find on the subject of computer-virii and on protecting themselves against such a menace.

The only excuse is if it happens to be the case that you cannot read.
 
2003-08-20 10:46:09 AM  
I'm not claming to be smarter than anybody else.

When you claim repeatedly that others are idiots, the tacit undertone is that you yourself are smarter than everyone else. While it might be true (I don't know you from Cain, obviously), it does come across as arrogant and condescending.

Just my opinion...
 
2003-08-20 10:46:12 AM  
2003-08-20 10:42:30 AM Smookyfufu
Buy a Mac!



Ha hah ahahahahahahahaha...

I'll put a Mac right next to my Betamax and my Laser Disc Player.
 
2003-08-20 10:47:31 AM  
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2003-08-20 10:48:07 AM  
TheDailyLlama
"yeah you're right blumf i am slow and i can't read and my grandma is a lazy idiot. and you are wonderful and clever with your superior computer knowledge. and not at all arrogant. and i bet you get laid a LOT!"

Prove me wrong, show me that you're not being lazy or stupid when it comes to firewalls/scanners. Show me that you have tried but come up against some horrific techy problem that a normal user couldn't solve.

Just point out what you find hard about installing a firewall. Just give me an example. You have tried right?

I'll even throw in a starting point:
http://www.zonelabs.com/

I say its easy, you say its hard. Prove it.
 
2003-08-20 10:48:16 AM  
blumf: I'll bet that grandma makes you look like an idiot when it comes to science of social skills.
 
2003-08-20 10:50:44 AM  
OK, this might be a little OT, hope it's not. I figured this would be the place to go, though, since it's on the virus tip...

Can anyone identify this type of email? Comes with no attatchments, from UnknownSender@unknowndomain, and the text is something like as follows:

Subj: ...
Date: 8/20/03 6:49:17 AM Mountain Daylight Time
From: UnknownSender@UnknownDomain
Reply-to: b­ddb[nospam-﹫-backwards]nqsg*n­et
21

: 010-88454119 88452025 88461172 68982060 68982061 68980748

88463355229218228

(WTO)

http://www.w1688.net 103­5­37­7­69[nospam-﹫-backwards]361*co­m

Is this some kind of farked up spamming technique? is it an infection attempt? I have not clicked on any of the links, but if anyone has a dummybox they'd be willing to test it out on, that'd be cool...

I'm not totally naiive, I've just never seen an email like this before.
 
2003-08-20 10:51:02 AM  
optikeye
"blumf: I'll bet that grandma makes you look like an idiot when it comes to science of social skills."

Maybe, but can she suck eggs? :)
 
2003-08-20 10:52:18 AM  
"Yeah, but can your grandpa do this?"

/obscure Simpsons reference.
 
2003-08-20 10:52:23 AM  
(in the body of the message there is a series of those lil' square "0" lookin' things, seperated by asterisks, in a manner that makes it look like text, which got edited out upon posting the above.)
 
2003-08-20 10:52:27 AM  
Magic_Al_
...and Mac users continue to feel smug in their immunity to every famous virus, worm, or trojan horse anyone's ever heard of.

Kind of like how hopelessly unattractive virgins feel smug in their "immunity" from herpes, crabs, or bad Trojan latex reactions.
 
2003-08-20 10:53:13 AM  
I've received about 2000 infected messages, but I noticed they are mainly from 12 different IP addresses. How can I block them?
 
2003-08-20 10:54:04 AM  
Given it's so easy to protect a machine from exploits viri etc...why doesn't it come that way when you buy it from MS?

And why don't the states seek damages from MS? Sure we click a EULA, but there's also a warning on smokes.
 
Ant
2003-08-20 10:54:35 AM  
The virus will then send itself out to names found in the victim's address book and will use one of these names to forge a return address.

I've told my users a billion times that the nasty virus-laden attachment (removed by ScanMail thankfully) they got from bo­b[nospam-﹫-backwards]htiWssenisuB­oDeWynap­m­oc*com didn't neccesarily come from the person in the sender field, but each time this happens, I have to tell them that, no, Bob is not trying to infect you on purpose.
 
2003-08-20 10:55:54 AM  
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touch it. love it. use it. abuse it. mmmmmm.
 
2003-08-20 10:56:08 AM  
Steveroni with Cheeseroni
I'm a computer expert.
Except that when I say "computer," I mean "roof and gutter cleaning."


What a coincidence - I'm also a computer expert.

Except that when I say "a computer" I mean "masturbating furiously", and when I say "expert" I mean "right now".
 
2003-08-20 10:56:24 AM  
ifarkedyourmother

filter out the following subject lines:

Re: Thank you!

Thank you!

Your details

Re: Details

Re: Re: My details

Re: Approved

Re: Your application

Re: Wicked screensaver

Re: That movie


and any variations (multiple Re:Re:s or non Re:s)
 
2003-08-20 10:56:33 AM  
blumf

omg! did i tell you i was an IT support technician or something? did i claim to be able to solve horrific techy problems? and now i have to prove my technical expertise to be able to talk to you? and that's not arrogant behaviour?

i tell you what, prove me wrong that you're not an arrogant git. show me that you can construct a sentence without calling someone lazy, or stupid, or slow, or an idiot, or without insulting their grandmother, or without insisting on proof of their technical knowledge before they can talk to you.
 
2003-08-20 10:57:46 AM  
Maybe somebody could explain this to me--

I never download or run attatchments from e-mails unless I know exactly who they're from and what they are, but I'm still getting dozens of e-mails positively reeking of this Sobig.F shiat every ten minutes.

My question is, since I'm using Outlook for my e-mails and since it downloads all the mail from my mail server in order to let me look at it, does this count as downloading the attatchments as well? I never actually say "sure, download that there .pif file and save it right here on my system in the folder of my choosing" or anything like that, but the e-mails themselves are downloaded.

So do I not actually have the virus, and it's just someone else out there who has my name in their address book, or what?

Because if that's the case, then boy does that person suck. I don't even use an address book for e-mail addresses.
 
2003-08-20 10:58:52 AM  
Edict, I already have the following message rules, but I was just wondering if I could actually get the IP's blocked maybe via my ISP. My mail account keeps filling up if Outlook isn't downloading constantly.

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the Subject line contains 'Your details' or 'Thank You!' or 'Your application' or 'Re: Wicked screensaver' or 'Re: Re: My details' or 'Re: Details' or 'Re: That movie' or 'Re: Approved' or 'Returned mail: User unknown' or 'Returned mail: Service unavailable' or 'Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender' or 'Returned mail: see transcript for details' or 'Returned mail: delivery problems encountered' or 'Delivery Status Notification (Failure)'
Move it to the Deleted Items folder
and Stop processing more rules
 
2003-08-20 10:58:56 AM  
Dogfather, Jr.: Ha!

If you're seriously slapping around the old sausage sword to a computer virus thread, though, you need help.... and how.
 
2003-08-20 10:59:29 AM  
shintaro - point taken
 
2003-08-20 10:59:53 AM  
Given it's so easy to protect a machine from exploits viri etc...why doesn't it come that way when you buy it from MS?

Oh my God! You can't seriously expect me to believe that you're that simple?

Microsoft delivers you an operating system; it's just that: an operating system.

Microsoft has been trying to push their other products like, for example, their media-player, for years, by integrating it with their OS. This has resulted in loads and loads of complaints, since they are abusing their (virtual) monopoly in this market to push their other product... you are telling me that you haven't read any newspapers in the last couple of years... well, I'm telling you that if Microsoft even attempted to move into the anti-virus business, they'd be in big trouble.

What is it exactly that you don't understand?
 
2003-08-20 11:00:55 AM  
...crap, though it looks like I'm *also* getting e-mails from other people's mail servers saying "the message you, (me[nospam-﹫-backwards]sser­dday­m*c­om), tried to send had a virus so it was deleted and not sent, you jerk."

WTF? I have never ever ever ever downloaded or ran an attatchment unless I knew what it was and was already expecting someone to send it...

I repeat, WTF?
 
2003-08-20 11:01:01 AM  
ifarkedyourmother

depends on your ISP. if you have access to any "spam filtering" options, they may allow you to add domains or IPs that you want to refuse email from.
 
2003-08-20 11:01:11 AM  
Thanks zippy... It's a rare treat to come across someone that is susceptible to another person's opinion :)
 
2003-08-20 11:06:45 AM  
geoff27

the virus takes an email address from the victims address book (among other files) and uses that address as the "return-path" address. so someone who has you in their address book is infected. let me reiterate- just because you are not infected does not mean you will not be affected. start looking at solutions like ifarkedyourmother and see if you can start blocking and filtering these emails.
 
2003-08-20 11:07:26 AM  
Steveroni with Cheeseroni
Dogfather, Jr.: Ha!
If you're seriously slapping around the old sausage sword to a computer virus thread, though, you need help.... and how.


What do you mean? Doesn't everyone get aroused by the discussion of firewalls and virii?

mmmmmmm.... Sobig.....
 
2003-08-20 11:08:31 AM  
Uhh... uh... UHHH... FIREWALL!!!!!

*squirt*
 
Ant
2003-08-20 11:08:43 AM  
2003-08-20 11:00:55 AM geoff27


...crap, though it looks like I'm *also* getting e-mails from other people's mail servers saying "the message you, (memyaddress.com), tried to send had a virus so it was deleted and not sent, you jerk."


Geoff27: It is extremely easy to fake a sender's email address. These people who're complaining about you sending them viruses are ignorant. They must've been under a rock for the past several years.

Using telnet and a SMTP (mail) server address, you could pretend to be the Queen of England if you wanted to.
 
2003-08-20 11:08:48 AM  
optikeye
"Given it's so easy to protect a machine from exploits viri etc...why doesn't it come that way when you buy it from MS? "

This is a good point.

simple explanation:

To begin with MS didn't have a clue about the internet and as such it's windows OSs weren't made to be secure against suchs things. Instead MS focuses on adding features (like the ability to directy run programs from an e-mail attachment) which most the time helps users but also leaves a gaping security hole.

Now to fix these holes MS would have to break a lot of existing software (that is a program expects the OS to work a certain way, MS fixes a security hole which stops the OS from behaving in that way which in turn stops the program for working). MS could probably fix most of it's security holes quite easly, but it would cause so many problems with existing programs that nobody would want to touch the 'secured' OS.

What MS is doing, is slowly going through the flaws in its OS and closing them down. Each new version of Windows has a few more holes closed. However that will take near enough forever.

(see I'm trying to be fair to MS here, I could have easly laid in the boot to MS :)
 
2003-08-20 11:09:14 AM  
Ugghh... Just deleted 10 more.
 
2003-08-20 11:09:24 AM  
So I got hit with a virus and and I looked at it and and I looked all tough and and I said to it -

"You're not SoBig".
 
2003-08-20 11:10:40 AM  
Cool, thanks edict.
 
2003-08-20 11:11:22 AM  
.. well, I'm telling you that if Microsoft even attempted to move into the anti-virus business, they'd be in big trouble.
What is it exactly that you don't understand?


*sigh*. No, I don't think it's that simple, but the opinion here is that protection from the exploits allowed by MS is childs play. Sauce, Goose.
And no, I wouldn't want MS in the anti virus biz, I would like them to build a product that doesn't throw it's legs open to ever thing that breezes by the window. You have tons of open ports at OS level on XP, why? Certainly not to make life easier.
 
2003-08-20 11:11:36 AM  
Should I be disappointed that I never got it sent to me?

Hell, I never get any virii sent to me. I'm either special, uninteresting, or I never give anybody my main personal email address unless I know that they know a little bit about their computer.
 
2003-08-20 11:11:52 AM  
Now, when it says that the virus is programmed to self destruct on the 10th, it means that the virus will delete itself and you won't have to worry about it? Or be self destruct, does it mean that it does bad things to the host?
 
2003-08-20 11:12:05 AM  
geoff27:- As has been said, when the virus pretends to come from someone in the address book on the machine that was infected. Chances are someone with your name in their address book has the virus, and it has sent out a load of emails pretending to be from you.
 
2003-08-20 11:12:41 AM  
TheDailyLlama
"omg! did i tell you i was an IT support technician or something? did i claim to be able to solve horrific techy problems? and now i have to prove my technical expertise to be able to talk to you? and that's not arrogant behaviour?"

And once more, DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT I POSTED?

I was assuming you had no techi knowlage, I asked you to show me where you, an non-IT person, was getting stuck installing a firewall.

Stange, you seem to be able to write but unable to read.
 
2003-08-20 11:12:52 AM  
Ah, beaten to it. Story of my life today. I don't know what I'm doing here. In fact, I'm going home.
 
2003-08-20 11:14:35 AM  
Ah, thanks too, Ant. Now I can write back to the one lady (who I don't even know) who curtly told me to remove her from my address book (which I don't have) and take care of my virus. What a coont.

Anyhoo, thanks for the tips. =) Now to get started on making some Outlook rules for refusing these annoying crap-mails.
 
2003-08-20 11:14:58 AM  
A Mac virus? Bring it on, SquirrelWithLargeNuts. Surely some fed-up-with-mac-user geek should write just ONE?

I want a virus too. Four years of Mac usage without any anti-virus software and zip. Nada. What fun is this damn platform anyway?
 
2003-08-20 11:16:46 AM  
Heh, thanks also jay_vee. I 'preciate everyone's reassurance.
 
2003-08-20 11:18:27 AM  
MS could probably fix most of it's security holes quite easly, but it would cause so many problems with existing programs that nobody would want to touch the 'secured' OS.

It's bassackwards. They should lockup those 'features' by default and let those that get all smug "it's so easy to protect yourself" clickety click to install those bits of goodness that fixing those holes would break.
 
2003-08-20 11:18:56 AM  
Y'all just keep buying poorly built hardware running poorly written software and keep guys like me working making lots of money. Wonder why the Yugo isn't still selling millions... oh, yeah, they forgot that Americans (and others) are suckers for advertizing. Same junk, different marketing. Those that think it's that it's a 5 percent market share keeping viruses off Macs have no understanding of the differences between the Windows OS and the Mac OS.

/Sitting safely behing the keyboard of a G4 PowerBook.
 
2003-08-20 11:19:11 AM  
shintaro said:
"Or we should simply create a division between Consumer Computers and Real Computers..."

This has been done -- it was called Netpliance I-Opener.

It died.
 
2003-08-20 11:19:21 AM  
I got an email with sobig attached last night. I hadn't heard of the virus, but as someone who remembers the days of DOS and Windows 3.1 fondly (remember when you could maintain your computer yourself without worrying about hidden files or corrupting the Registry?) I recognized the PIF extension as a form of executable and deleted the message immediately. I'm a little concerned that Norton didn't catch it give me a message that the file contained a virus; maybe it had deleted the virus already or would have when I tried to run it, but still...

Incidentally, as someone who moved from DOS to Windows very reluctantly and has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into every upgrade (I held on to Windows 3.1 up until the release of ME, never used 95 or 98), I have to say I'm extremely pleased with Windows XP, which came on my new computer. It hasn't crashed once in the month I've had it, as opposed to ME which crashed almost daily. I run a lot of high end applications (AutoCAD, Photoshop, Illustrator and Macromedia software), often concurrently, and the OS releases the memory upon program completion like a charm. I hate to say this, but thank you Bill Gates.
 
2003-08-20 11:23:22 AM  
2003-08-20 11:19:21 AM clambam


Sorry to correct you, but it is not "Windows" ME,
it is Window ME. Read the fine print.
It says if you open more than one window, it will crash.
 
2003-08-20 11:24:39 AM  
Bukharin -- huh?
 
2003-08-20 11:26:03 AM  
blumf you were assuming i had no techi knowledge? i worked in IT support for two out of the last three years but i personally don't think that having knowledge qualifies me to call people who don't know how to operate firewalls idiots. i read what you wrote, how about you now go and read the bit i wrote about you being an arrogant git.
 
2003-08-20 11:26:19 AM  
clambam,

I was making fun of it for being a shiatty OS.
I was making fun of the frequent crashes.
I was blaming the frequent crashes on opening more than one window,
a pun off of the name "Windows"
 
2003-08-20 11:31:39 AM  
Ohhh... now I get it.

I did manage to run a business for 3 years using Windows ME. Very often I would have two or three memory hog programs running at once. My computer was a Pentium 166 upgraded to a 500 and I was running the beta version of ME until very recently. I wasn't happy with the instability but I managed to get by. Just got a 2.4 gig machine and am as happy as a pig in shiat. I do a lot of architectural animations and files that used to take me 40 or 60 hours to generate are now done overnight. The only downside is that I can't charge my clients as much for the unattended computer time!
 
2003-08-20 11:39:59 AM  
Just like BASF, we don't make the virus we just make it better.

/hehe
 
2003-08-20 11:40:29 AM  
I'm working on a Mac right now....I have to restart it every four hours because I run out of memory....I can only have three tasks open at once (as long as those three programs do not include Photoshop or InDesign).

I can run Word, Notepad AND Calculator at once...cutting, pasting, math....you name it I can do it almost at the same time!

Sure....Macs cost a bit more.....
Sure my boss will never spend the cheddar to get me a newer Mac because they are too expensive.....
Sure if we had a PC network we would be able to have newer "puters" sooner....

But isn't it all worth it! It's the Cadillac of computers!

/Give me a cheap (and new) PC anyday
 
2003-08-20 11:40:31 AM  
TheDailyLlama
"blumf you were assuming i had no techi knowledge? i worked in IT support for two out of the last three years but i personally don't think that having knowledge qualifies me to call people who don't know how to operate firewalls idiots. i read what you wrote, how about you now go and read the bit i wrote about you being an arrogant git."

OK, good, you read.

Now, configuring a proper, heavy duty firewall, with proper tools etc. is most certainly a job for trained experts, I agree.

However, there are pleanty of basic personal firewalls available that need little to no configureation on the users part. They are made exactly for the average home user. No expert training needed. As such, there is no excuse for anybody not to be running them.

This is not arrogance, this is just a plain dislike for people who refuse to do their part, the same dislike I have for people who drop litter or use a mobile phone whilst driving.

Think about it, if most people used firewalls and upto date virus scanners, ther recent outbreaks that have caused nearly everybody problems wouldn't have happened (or at least wouldn't have been such a big problem).

i assume you wouldn't like it if somebody let their dog crap on your front lawn, so why are you OK when somebody lets their computer crap in your inbox?
 
2003-08-20 11:44:13 AM  
HonestIndian, you need more RAM. Same would be true of a PC, except it would run all your apps simultaneously, but thrash the hard drive.
 
2003-08-20 11:44:42 AM  
Bukharin: I still don't get it, possibly because I'm descended from a drooling idiot moron of a grandma. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to transfer my betamax tape of Jill Hennesey DP porn to laser disc. But first...

"...Consumer Computers and Real Computers.."

Apple has been doing this with the iMac/Book (consumer) vs PowerMac/book (pro) for a while now with great success, though there is considerable geektraction in just the OS itself (which runs on almost all G3s and above). A caveat about OS X: If your bus speed is less than 100 MHz, responsiveness is barely tolerable IMO.

/1 GHz G4, dreamin' of a G5
 
2003-08-20 11:49:05 AM  
Dinsdale, I know....but then again, my office supply "requo" for paper clips was turned down a couple months ago.

In fact....I don't know that I have had but maybe $20 things approved in two years...

It's not easy living in the Great Depressiio....I mean Iowa.

/lame humor
 
2003-08-20 11:49:33 AM  
HonestIndian, let me guess, OS 9 (or as I call it now, OS Nein)? Extensions management is everything pre-X.
 
2003-08-20 11:50:20 AM  
Yeah, I have an address book. It's on a piece of paper taped to my tower. If you're mailing from that, it means you broke into my house. In which case, say hello to Mister Shotgun.
 
2003-08-20 11:55:45 AM  
Does anyone else get that "quizzical dog" feeling knowing that Sobig terminates Sept 10th? Am I paranoid now?

.<
 
2003-08-20 12:03:35 PM  
I still haven't received any infected emails with this. However I'm pretty sure someone I know has it because I've gotten 2 returned emails and 1 accusation of spreading the virus. And I damn well know I don't have it, someone must have my email stored.
 
2003-08-20 12:03:42 PM  
Sobig terminates Sept 10th? Egad, devilish indeed. The ability to erase an entire temporal unit, no matter what the duration, is pretty impressive. I wish it could terminate August 20th as I've a hangover I wouldn't mind not having to endure.

/ prepares preposition by turning it on. Gah, I hate myself, that's why I drink.
 
2003-08-20 12:07:55 PM  
It's obvious...Bush released the virus so it would cause billions of dollars in damage, and possibly some deaths, so that the American People would be duped into more stringent internet control in the wake of terrorism...you'll see...

*dons tinfoil replica of the Taj Mahal
 
2003-08-20 12:24:29 PM  
That stupid screensaver didn't work...
 
2003-08-20 12:39:01 PM  
RevLoki,

I think you got the wrong file,
let me send it to you 500 more times.
 
2003-08-20 12:41:25 PM  
Microsoft bought some European anti-virus software company last month. I assume this means they will be adding this to Longhorn when it releases in 2005. Also, Longhorn is a kind of cheese.
 
2003-08-20 12:43:30 PM  
Ranting:
This weekend I removed two instances of MSBlaster.exe from friends' Ecks-Pee machines. H*ll, MSBlaster.exe was just a worm that caused the RPC service to shut down the PC (& clog networks). Since the PC was purchased from a major firm, it was loaded with more purposefully-installed spyware than I could believe. From backweblite (thanks to the PC manufacturer) to WildT*ngent to other memory hogs. Yes, the virus did damage businesses and Sobig.F continues to do so today...but do yourself a favor: buy a hardware router if you're broadband, install a real firewall, keep your virus DAT files updated, run SpyBot S&D periodically, and shutdown unneeded services.
/rant

No PS for me until I get my image host config'd...
 
2003-08-20 12:43:41 PM  
The reason why there are not more Mac viruses is the same reason why two planes didn't crash into Billings, Montana on September 11th.
 
2003-08-20 12:55:52 PM  
I for one think this recent rash of virus and worm activity is hilarious. Only clueless idiots get hit with it anyway.(read: 90% of users)

I especially enjoy watching asshat companies who hired a bunch of marketing people to run I.T. get reamed by these things. (Should have hired a REAL computer guy, huh?)

We've been getting 1000/per hour or so of these SOBIG emails across the servers here since yesterday. I just select and delete them all before my users even see them. Of course I had the foresight to warn and educate all my users. I hear they're having real problems with this elsewhere.

:p (What's the emoticon for "cackling with insane glee?")
 
2003-08-20 12:58:44 PM  
Why do PC's get so many viruses? Well, significance matters, and it just stands to reason that more crap tends to be thrown towards the significant than the insignificant. If the world used Macs, Macs would get infected more.

Anyone who thinks that Macs are totally immune to harmful code is a fool. It's just that no one cares enough to write code that would infect such a small amount of computers. How many Amiga viruses are written today? Or Commodore 64? TRS80? Sinclairs?
 
2003-08-20 01:02:14 PM  
mdaryl: The C64 OS is ROM, thus no vector for a virus to spread by.
Amiga on the other hand... Lots of them there.
 
2003-08-20 01:11:46 PM  
Document ID: 2003-081909-2118-99
Virus: 'W32.Sobig.F@mm'
> Web URL: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f@mm​.html?Op en&src=w
 
2003-08-20 01:13:57 PM  
The C64 OS is ROM, thus no vector for a virus to spread by.

Floppies.
 
2003-08-20 01:15:45 PM  
[image from mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de too old to be available]

How big is virus? SO BIG!
 
2003-08-20 01:16:08 PM  
As a friend of a mechanic, I want you all to know that they talk about you the same way (everyone is an idiot for not having a firewall.

Just a little context.
 
2003-08-20 01:17:55 PM  
Whoa. From the same site. What is up with these psychotic children?

[image from mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de too old to be available]
 
2003-08-20 01:44:13 PM  
We got whacked by this virus big time. I do tech support so I can't get to all of our email questions. Thank goodness for Fark, now I have something to do all day.
 
2003-08-20 01:53:31 PM  
Who do YOU think are writing these virus'? Opinions please.
 
2003-08-20 02:01:49 PM  
Close2TheEdge
I beseach thee, stop posting those ugly friggin kids!
What part did you have in it? You came? I don't give a damn about your ugly, "soon to say, hey dad, screw you". kids.
 
2003-08-20 02:23:18 PM  
Who do YOU think are writing these virus'? Opinions please.

People with even less of a life than generic computer nerds like us?

I'd seriously like to speak with these types, under 4 eyes, in a dark alley, and I bet some of my friends who work in tech support would just LOVE to get medieval on the kind of people that write these things (or should I say "generate"? After all, most virii are created by script-kiddies who couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag if they had to).
 
2003-08-20 02:29:37 PM  
"I swear, some day I'm going to write a horrendously evil mac virus, just to shut mac users up."

Someone already beat you to it. It's called IE.

/on Safari


Out of the numerous applications that I use routinely: MS Word, IE, Safari, Adobe Photoshop, iPhoto, iTunes, AthenaIRC, MS Entourage, Yahoo IM, Toast, Amadeus, and a few others, only 2 ever crash or "unexpectedly quit." Which 2 are they? MS Word and IE. two of the other apps on that list are betas, and even THOSE don't crash! dunno what that's supposed to say about MS's programmers... at least they can't take the system with it when they go down... just restart the application and continue :D I almost exclusively use Safari now for web browsing. I'd use Appleworks for word processing, but Word has the foreign- language spelling dictionaries I use, as well as other features that AW lacks. oh, well

And yes, I have anti- virus software up and running, just in case. sure, there's no effective Mac virii out there at the moment, but who knows what asshat might come up with one. Even though OS X is like "a paranoid shut- in with a gun" :D
 
2003-08-20 02:43:39 PM  
I wish someone would make a virus called "sofa king crazy" virus, and then make it so it spreads everywhere.

Then, when it makes the news, the newscaster will have to say "the so pharking crazy virus is spreading like wildfire..."
 
2003-08-20 03:21:56 PM  
Shintaro:After all, most virii are created by script-kiddies who couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag if they had to).

I even heard there's now drag-and-drop, user friendly tools to write worms. No TCP/IP knowledge required. A wizard pop up and ask you what do you want to infect..today..
 
2003-08-20 03:24:06 PM  
Geez what an irritating piece of dung. No I did not send you the virus, someone with my address in their address book DID. I think these mass emailing worms are just ways to scavenge email addresses for spammers.
 
2003-08-20 04:09:01 PM  
I've received a couple dozen of these e-mails at work over the past couple of days, without attachments.

I sure would like a "wicked screensaver," though.
 
2003-08-20 05:00:54 PM  
I got hit by it 6 times last night. I'm to loved
 
2003-08-20 05:01:39 PM  
Just as a sidenote on workplace hijinx....
When I opened my email, I said, whoa, this isn't right. So I found out about the virus, and fired off a memo to our super happy fun smart IT. I was informed that it was not, in fact, a virus, but instead was a hacker who hated our company and thought it would be fun to flood our email server.
So I then fired off a memo, attached with the Symantec notice, to IT's boss.
I then was informed that the virus had infected our Macintosh workstations and Linux server because I opened a .pif because I wanted to see what the really neat screensaver looked like.
I asked if our IT could explained to me how I miraculously opened and managed to execute Windows specific code on a Macintosh and then managed to make it infect Linux servers. I figure if I can do that, I could start a new security company, be filthy rich and not have to work at that shisty little company anymore.
I was told that the entire problem was caused by people like me.

Later, after numerous out-of-house calls and consultations later, it was determined that our system was clean, and in fact, the problem was with the rest of the world. But I am still being cautioned against opening .pifs on my Mac station or I will cause the problem again.
 
2003-08-20 05:07:16 PM  
OMG amanda, they've got issues!
 
2003-08-20 05:12:02 PM  
peeps, just get a g5 and enjoy life until Microsoft can get its $h!t together, that is all.
 
2003-08-20 05:13:30 PM  
My question is twofold.

1) Why are your morons not running AV on your mail servers.
2) Why are you not doing 1, and also blocking certain attachments as default?

I mean, for chrissake. I run scanmail on my Exchange servers, auto-update Virus Dat's every hour. SoBig virus? Really? Let me check the Scanmail mailbox. Yup, indeed. 1500 blocked msgs with the virus of the last few days. Good thing I'm smarter than a box of rocks, or I'd have been pretty damn busy cleaning this stuff.


It's not just the end-users who are the problem, it's tardful paper-tiger MCSE's who got certified because that's what their friends told them to do, to make money.

fah.
 
2003-08-20 05:14:54 PM  
Dhoom, you speak the truth brother.
 
2003-08-20 05:19:09 PM  
Dhoom: I am but an office flunky. I am not permitted to change, modify or point out IT's shortcomings. They have degrees from Yale, Duke, etc., I am from state college. Besides, the head of IT's been doing it for 30 years and knows everything there is to know about intarweb and compoootar security.
 
2003-08-20 05:25:30 PM  
Who do YOU think are writing these virus'? Opinions please.

Who profits from their propagation? McAfee, Norton, I'm lookin' at you...
 
2003-08-20 05:31:02 PM  
amanda;

I have no college degree, and one half-assed attempt at college...

Your tax dollars paid for parts of my education in the Army...TSCM stuff, C-HUMINT... although, I have been a geek all my life.

Here's a tip:

Anyone in IT who says they're an expert, guru, or that they know it all, is FOS.
 
2003-08-20 05:40:44 PM  
Whats with all the worms and virii in the news lately? Isn't this like the fourth in as many days?

Someone needs to create a virus that downloads porn in the background and waits until you're in the middle of a stressful excel or word session to flash it on the screen :oP
 
2003-08-20 05:45:27 PM  
FarkingUpTheWrongTree;

That's what Multi-tasking and Newsgroups are for. :D
 
2003-08-21 04:49:22 AM  
I'm with Amanda and Dhoom. I have no degree, and I'm half of the IT department for a company with a dozen servers and about 100 nodes. It's not a normal day unless I run into something I don't know how to do, and I can't get the money in this economy to replace the last few 133 MHz Pentiums still running Windows 95.

But my frikkin email server (and every other machine on the network) has always up-to-date antivirus software, and it filters possibly dangerous attachments even if it doesn't detect a virus.

A good friend of mine is a rocket scientist. I've never had to call him for email advice.
 
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