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(NPR)   Literature as a mathematic equation, by Kurt Vonnegut   (npr.org) divider line 41
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2011-05-26 03:10:50 PM
This was basically his rejected anthropology thesis "Fluctuations Between Good and Evil in Simple Tales." I think it was also in "Wampeters, Foma, and Granfaloons."
 
2011-05-26 03:38:10 PM
 
2011-05-26 03:57:17 PM
Another longer version of the same talk from Vonnegut: 2005 / New York City
Kurt Vonnegut at the Blackboard


// Don't miss graphs for Kafka and Hamlet.
 
2011-05-26 04:29:08 PM
That guy again? I thought I stopped payment on the check.

/You read lips?
 
2011-05-26 04:33:04 PM
fictionandfriction.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-05-26 04:35:14 PM
Wide open beavers.
 
2011-05-26 04:36:24 PM
Actual Farking: This was basically his rejected anthropology thesis "Fluctuations Between Good and Evil in Simple Tales." I think it was also in "Wampeters, Foma, and Granfaloons."

I thought it was at the back of Palm Sunday.
 
2011-05-26 04:40:51 PM
astro716: Actual Farking: This was basically his rejected anthropology thesis "Fluctuations Between Good and Evil in Simple Tales." I think it was also in "Wampeters, Foma, and Granfaloons."

I thought it was at the back of Palm Sunday.


That could be, I don't remember which essay collection it was in.
 
2011-05-26 04:42:02 PM
'Understanding Poetry,' by Dr. J. Evans Pritchard, Ph.D.

To fully understand poetry, we must first be fluent with its meter, rhyme and figures of speech, then ask two questions: 1) How artfully has the objective of the poem been rendered and 2) How important is that objective? Question 1 rates the poem's perfection; question 2 rates its importance. And once these questions have been answered, determining the poem's greatness becomes a relatively simple matter.

If the poem's score for perfection is plotted on the horizontal of a graph and its importance is plotted on the vertical, then calculating the total area of the poem yields the measure of its greatness.

A sonnet by Byron might score high on the vertical but only average on the horizontal. A Shakespearean sonnet, on the other hand, would score high both horizontally and vertically, yielding a massive total area, thereby revealing the poem to be truly great. As you proceed through the poetry in this book, practice this rating method. As your ability to evaluate poems in this matter grows, so will, so will your enjoyment and understanding of poetry.
 
2011-05-26 04:42:52 PM
That guy doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut.
 
2011-05-26 04:44:03 PM
Saw this in person. Not this exact talk. He gave it more than once.
 
2011-05-26 04:45:57 PM
Oh fark me?! Well fark you!

www.ifc.com
 
2011-05-26 04:46:33 PM
I really enjoy his way of looking at things. It follows the way I see the world, so of course I think his work is some of the best I have read.
 
2011-05-26 04:47:16 PM
This one leaves off his graph of Shakespeare -- might have been Hamlet. It was a straight line because he felt that all of the major plot points were ambiguous.
 
2011-05-26 04:54:10 PM
I'm a big fan of Vonnegut.

He's up in heaven now.
 
2011-05-26 04:56:48 PM
Oh sure, try to graph "Wall Street" that way
 
2011-05-26 04:56:49 PM
Knara: 'Understanding Poetry,' by Dr. J. Evans Pritchard, Ph.D.

Oh Knara, my Knara!
 
2011-05-26 04:57:06 PM
Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
LECTURE DATE: APRIL 08 , 1992


Looking around for earlier version of the graphing literature lecture, I came across this 1992 Vonnegut lecture at MSU. He starts talking at about the 9 minute mark.

You'll enjoy hearing him talk about how upset he is that Americans were enjoying our then recent victory over Iraq.

I think he gets around to the story structure lecture too.
 
2011-05-26 05:00:04 PM
You can read it here:
booklit.com
 
2011-05-26 05:04:51 PM
And so on.
 
2011-05-26 05:16:54 PM
It Smee: I'm a big fan of Vonnegut.

He's up in heaven now.


+1
 
2011-05-26 05:21:47 PM
Blocked at work so this is indeed a bookmark. Always enjoyed Vonnegut's sense of humor.

Also, Douglas Adams had an interesting take on math and music (and cricket amongst other things) in one of the Dirk Gently books.
 
2011-05-26 05:26:32 PM
 
2011-05-26 05:30:26 PM
 
2011-05-26 05:35:18 PM
It Smee: I'm a big fan of Vonnegut.

He's up in heaven now.


Came here to say this.
 
2011-05-26 05:50:30 PM
The 3rd one is The Matrix, right?
 
2011-05-26 05:54:30 PM
notmtwain: You'll enjoy hearing him talk about how upset he is that Americans were enjoying our then recent victory over Iraq.

That probably explains why Fox News shiat all over him in their obituary for him when he died.

"[Vonnegut] said...that he hoped his children wouldn't say of him, when he was gone, 'he made wonderful jokes, but he was such an unhappy man'...so I'll say it for them." - James "human piece of shiat" Rosen, Fox News
 
2011-05-26 05:56:10 PM
The blogger, Robert Kurlwich, missed the point of Vonnegut's lecture which was to contrast the act of creating a story versus the act of analyzing a story. The YouTube video cut that part of the lecture out.

In fact, Kurlwich argues that "Artists may be, oddly, the most pattern-aware." This is completely contrary to Vonnegut's argument.

Vonnegut believed, like most authors, that stories are written without thinking about these "classic" plot lines and only get boiled down in this manner during analysis after the fact. So it goes.
 
2011-05-26 06:00:25 PM
MBooda:

What you did there, I see it.
 
2011-05-26 06:08:02 PM
It Smee: I'm a big fan of Vonnegut.

He's up in heaven now.


That's the funniest joke I know.
 
2011-05-26 06:10:33 PM
Xenomech: That probably explains why Fox News shiat all over him

If I remember correctly, Fox News was one of the many outlets that gave voice to the segment of the population who said, "It's terribly sad that Fred Rodgers died, but it's even more sad that he didn't spend more of his life hating gay people."
 
2011-05-26 06:18:44 PM
He committed suicide by cigarette but was foiled by an automobile accident. I guess it was better than freezing to death at a bus stop in Indianapolis waiting for a bus that's 3 hours late. And definitely better than growing old waiting decades on Titan for a robot to decide whether it wanted to commit suicide again.
 
2011-05-26 06:29:30 PM
so it goes
 
2011-05-26 07:43:46 PM
and *another* thing, Vonnegut! I'm gonna stop payment on the cheque!
 
2011-05-26 09:38:29 PM
26.media.tumblr.com

Yeah, how about you go ahead and rip that page out of your book.

In fact, rip out the whole introduction.

/why no, I dnrtfa - thanks for asking
 
2011-05-26 11:32:55 PM
It Smee: I'm a big fan of Vonnegut.

He's up in heaven now.


Playing poker with Asimov, if there were any justice in the omniverse.
 
2011-05-27 12:50:11 AM
That's odd. I dropped this ice cube in my drink, and now the whole thing's frozen over.
 
2011-05-27 09:09:32 AM
thelordofcheese: The 3rd one is The Matrix, right?

Came for a Matrix reference; leaving satisfied.

/Do you think that's O2 you're breathing?
 
2011-05-27 10:10:10 AM
notmtwain:

Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
LECTURE DATE: APRIL 08 , 1992


Looking around for earlier version of the graphing literature lecture, I came across this 1992 Vonnegut lecture at MSU. He starts talking at about the 9 minute mark.

You'll enjoy hearing him talk about how upset he is that Americans were enjoying our then recent victory over Iraq.

I think he gets around to the story structure lecture too.

He does a full 10 minutes on the story analysis in the lecture. Starts at the 1 hour 11 minute mark.

/// He talks about what he wants to do in heaven too and the happiest day of his life. (finding frozen blueberries!)
 
2011-05-27 11:04:09 PM
Greatest. Author. Ever.
 
2011-05-28 11:27:31 PM
ciberido Quote 2011-05-27 12:50:11 AM
That's odd. I dropped this ice cube in my drink, and now the whole thing's frozen over.

nice, nice, very nice
 
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