rev. dave: Wendy's Chili: rev. dave: But my butt definitely hurts over this.

Are you f*cking retarded?

How does that translate to retarded? The "negotiations" have always been for surrender and always will be. Obama does not seem to get that point.

Um, surrender? Dude, the international community has deemed Israel's occupation as criminal. They are demanding a return to 1967 borders. Just like the past U.S. presidents have all said.

So, what you are saying, is that you don't like the fact Obama was blunt and honest with you whereas earlier Presidents and politicians beat around the fact but said essentially the same thing.

//Politicians - The angry mobs don't want you to tell the truth either™.

Man, some people, amirite?

Jake Havechek: There is some logic in the fact that President Obama has fled the country

He's on an official state visit that was planned in advance and is also attending the G8 summit, you stupid coont.

Our local paper has a libertarian/conservative columnist that can't help himself but to open every column with some non-sequitur strawman, appeal to emotion, or some other, glaring logical fallacy. I see that it is not a habit confined to the minor leagues. "Fled the country" was a whopper, considering he MET WITH NETANYAHU before leaving.

That being said, HuffPo does this all the time, but Fox News purports to be "fair and balanced" and "not a poorly-GUI'd blog."

Why the fark do people expect the US to be Israel's biatch?

If the people who are so worried about Israel would just admit that it's a religious thing and nothing else I could respcet them for honesty

What's wrong with not being 100% behind everything Israel says and does?

Oh, is it being afraid of not getting campaign money from elderly Jewish donors? Or is it the Christian fundamentalists that think that Israel is part of a biblical prophecy and God says they will eventually be victorious, so if the US opposes them they will be destroyed by Jesus when he returns?

Israel has a gigantic martyr complex because of what happened back in the '40's and is blind to how they are making martyrs out of everyone that gets in their way.

If you oppose them in any way, they try to label you as anti-semitic and opposed to a Jewish homeland, while they go about oppressing the Palestinians, who want a homeland of their own and had theirs taken away to create Israel.

Practically speaking, the best option for peace in the middle east is for Israel to fall back to the old borders, support the Palestinians for complete soveriegn statehood and UN membership, and accept a partitioning of Jerusalem and letting them have East Jerusalem.

Then again, the various dictatorships in the Middle East have used the vague threat of Israel to justify their own tyranny for decades, and the last thing they want is lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of whiny little titty babies...

He didn't say anything all that outrageous that hasn't been said before.

Malevolent Teaparty: Fart_Machine: Could we please stop funding them now?

But then God will be angry we're not helping his chosen people =|

Well, sounds like God needs to man up and help them Himself. Lazy bastard.

jj325: If the people who are so worried about Israel would just admit that it's a religious thing and nothing else I could respcet them for honesty

Yeah, we have to protect Israel, because they're god's chosen people. But they're Jews so they're going to hell.

Choosey Gods Choose Jew!™

It's fun reading stuff labeled "opinion" by Fox News, like the rest of their stuff is not. I mean, where do they draw the line?

Opinion Desk > "Obama is a rapist pedophile!"
"News" Desk> "Woah, now I hate Obama as much as most real Americans for being a Kenyan Muslim whole stole the election from a war hero to make America a communist nation, but can you back that up?"
Opinion Desk > "That's why it's labeled opinion. In my opinion, Obama is a rapist pedophile draft dodger."
"News" Desk> "He wasn't alive during the draft."
Rupert Murdoch> "This is making me so hot right now!"

RedEmily: I've been trying to read up on current events more so I could post in the politics threads that hit the main page.

My view. Obama's slight kick to Israel is not hostility just a nudge to get peace talks started. U.S. is not going to abandon Israel nor should we.

There was no slight kick.

Keep reading up.

Wendy's Chili: It's not even Israel. It's Netanyahu, his stupid f*cking party, and their backers on Wall Street. A small group of assholes are creating big problems for their country, for our country, and for the world.

Yeah, fair enough. But it's still sad that the good citizens of Israel don't do something about that hooey. =\

clovis69: kbronsito: if your country is not taking billions of dollars in aid from the USA, then you get to have an independent foreign policy. Otherwise, you shut your biatch mouth and do as you are told.

You know almost off of that "aid" is in the form of military equipment, same goes for Egypt and Columbia.

And the aid to Egypt and Israel is guaranteed in Memorandums of Understanding from the Camp David Peace Accord, the US can't just stop giving the aid since the Senate ratified the treaty.

Just because its military aid doesn't mean its free.
And what are they going to do... go to war with Egypt once we cut off the aid.

Silverstaff: Then again, the various dictatorships in the Middle East have used the vague threat of Israel to justify their own tyranny for decades, and the last thing they want is lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

Its always been disgusting watching authoritarian asshat governments pimping out the Palestinian situation for their own domestic rhetoric while paying lip service to their plight. But then again, that sort of thing is pretty much standard for governments in general. But its especially grating to watch here.

stewmadness: Israel is not the problem, the rest of the middle east is. Fark all you people who side with the maniacs.


Israel does indeed bear some responsibility for the ongoing instability in the region.

Sorry that's news to you...

Sardonic_Padre: Reading this from Faux news the bias almost slaps you in the mouth....Awful, awful reporting. That journalist should be ashamed.

Not that I'm defending Fox here, but it should be noted that the column is clearly marked "Opinion." Its an Op-Ed piece, quite clearly. Lots of "news" outlets have op-ed pages and sections.

gameshowhost: Wendy's Chili: It's not even Israel. It's Netanyahu, his stupid f*cking party, and their backers on Wall Street. A small group of assholes are creating big problems for their country, for our country, and for the world.

Yeah, fair enough. But it's still sad that the good citizens of Israel don't do something about that hooey. =\

Don't blame them; they voted for Livni (new window).

Sardonic_Padre: Author *may* have a pro-jew bias.

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Uh, "jews" have a great degree of political and social diversity. As I pointed out earlier, there has been a lot of internal criticism of the Netanyahu goverment over this issue from inside Israel, where the discourse about Israel is much more free and complex than in U.S. media.

DavidVincent: scseth: Fox News isnt pushing this story that Obama is anti-Israel to help sway the Jewish vote - its to get the fundamentalist Christians out to vote.


The why have a Jewish activist right it instead of an evangalist Christian?

Christian evangalists don't know how to write.

RedEmily: I've been trying to read up on current events more so I could post in the politics threads that hit the main page.

My view. Obama's slight kick to Israel is not hostility just a nudge to get peace talks started. U.S. is not going to abandon Israel nor should we.

The thing is it´s not even a slight kick. This is like a whacko girlfriend that says "I´m going to start eating healthier and working out" and then you respond with something like "how´s the weight loss" she flips a shiat for saying you thought she was fat in the first place even though it was already out in the open.

Oh and her spare tire also attacks her on occasion at which point she tries to stab herself in order to ensure the submission of her fat because she refuses to acknowledge it´s actually part of her.

This analogy got out of hand...I´ll stop now.