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(HelenaIR.com)   Good start to the day: grabbing your newspaper off the porch and making some coffee. Bad followup: having the cops call to tell you not to do that again, because they need to shoot the mountain lion sleeping on said porch   (helenair.com) divider line 74
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2011-05-25 07:37:09 PM
Cougar trifecta in play...
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2011-05-25 07:38:21 PM
That picture makes me sad.

Was it necessary to kill the mountain lion?
 
2011-05-25 07:38:56 PM
that really sucks. that's a absolutely majestic and beautiful animal. wish they would have been able to tranc instead.
 
2011-05-25 07:38:58 PM

MBK: That picture makes me sad.

Was it necessary to kill the mountain lion?


Further, now that it's dead, will they eat it? Is their good eating on a mountain lion?
 
2011-05-25 07:39:50 PM

PonceAlyosha: MBK: That picture makes me sad.

Was it necessary to kill the mountain lion?

Further, now that it's dead, will they eat it? Is their good eating on a mountain lion?


cougar is awesome when cooked properly. It's my second favorite wild game behind elk.
 
2011-05-25 07:40:13 PM

PonceAlyosha: MBK: That picture makes me sad.

Was it necessary to kill the mountain lion?

Further, now that it's dead, will they eat it? Is their good eating on a mountain lion?


with a little seasoning, only slightly better than your run of the mill, garden variety cocker spaniel.
 
2011-05-25 07:40:33 PM
People are assholes.
 
2011-05-25 07:42:00 PM
*checks mountain lion cage*

*notices mountain lion missing*

*walks away whistling and looking innocent*
 
2011-05-25 07:42:11 PM
Paraphrased from the article: I couldn't get a clean shot, with a tranquilizer gun, so I used a proper rifle of the killin' kind instead!
 
2011-05-25 07:43:38 PM

Babboonrash: that really sucks. that's a absolutely majestic and beautiful animal. wish they would have been able to tranc instead.


What do you think happens to the animals that get "darted"?

Most likely a trip to the town dump and a 9mm round to the brain stem.
 
2011-05-25 07:43:45 PM
Everyone who's whining about the cougar being killed didn't read the article. Though I disagree with the decision, I can see why the warden made the decision he did.
 
2011-05-25 07:44:11 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: People are assholes.


yup. poor kitty. fark you cat killers.
 
2011-05-25 07:46:21 PM
Goddamitsomuch
 
2011-05-25 07:46:22 PM
We as a population need more of this.

Large birds that can carry you off and eat you.
Large predatory cats hanging out and looking for a meal.
Living dinosaurs skulking around on riverbacks, poison jellyfish in the ocean.

Let lighting clean the forest bed instead of taking the entire forest down.
 
2011-05-25 07:47:02 PM

MBK: That picture makes me sad.

Was it necessary to kill the mountain lion?


Me too :(

I only skimmed but...how hard would it be to dart a sleeping cat?? assuming the guy has used the gun before??
 
2011-05-25 07:50:18 PM

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: Everyone who's whining about the cougar being killed didn't read the article. Though I disagree with the decision, I can see why the warden made the decision he did.

Loewen said they initially wanted to dart the lion and capture it, but it was too dangerous to do that in the residential neighborhood.

"I couldn't get a clean shot, and if I darted it and it didn't take effect, it would run off. I didn't want to make a second problem," Loewen said

/Yeah so use a bullet instead?
 
2011-05-25 07:50:57 PM
Mattyb710 Quote 2011-05-25 07:42:11 PM
Paraphrased from the article: I couldn't get a clean shot, with a tranquilizer gun, so I used a proper rifle of the killin' kind instead!

if you had read the article thoroughly, you would have seen this good point raised:

Loewen said they initially wanted to dart the lion and capture it, but it was too dangerous to do that in the residential neighborhood.

"I couldn't get a clean shot, and if I darted it and it didn't take effect, it would run off. I didn't want to make a second problem," Loewen said.


/still, poor kitty
 
2011-05-25 07:51:34 PM

MBK: That picture makes me sad.
Was it necessary to kill the mountain lion?


Agreed. What the hell?

PonceAlyosha: Further, now that it's dead, will they eat it? Is their good eating on a mountain lion?


I bet it tastes a little gamey. Might make some fine jerky, though.
 
2011-05-25 07:52:03 PM

gwendolyyyn:
I only skimmed but...how hard would it be to dart a sleeping cat?? assuming the guy has used the gun before??


The concern isn't so much that he misses the cat, but that the tranq doesn't take the cat down and it runs off and hides somewhere. A task that cats, even the big ones, are very good at. Then you have a pissed off and slightly stoned cat god knows where just waiting to eat children. Not good.

Oh, and before anyone else does it...

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2011-05-25 07:53:02 PM

gwendolyyyn: MBK: That picture makes me sad.

Was it necessary to kill the mountain lion?

Me too :(

I only skimmed but...how hard would it be to dart a sleeping cat?? assuming the guy has used the gun before??


Hitting it wasn't the problem. The tranquilizer might not have taken effect and he was concerned it would run off into the neighborhood. I don't know if that was the right call, but that was the reasoning.
 
2011-05-25 07:54:27 PM
Candygram?
 
2011-05-25 07:54:53 PM

Click Click D'oh: gwendolyyyn:

The concern isn't so much that he misses the cat, but that the tranq doesn't take the cat down and it runs off and hides somewhere.


well, that's what I get for not actually reading it. thanks.

/still sad
 
2011-05-25 07:57:34 PM
Personally I wash my cougars really good before I eat them.
 
2011-05-25 07:57:54 PM
It's a shame that they had to kill the animal, but I understand the situation the game warded was faced with. Not only did he have to consider the possible mauling of a human, but also getting the shiat sued out of him after said mauling.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2011-05-25 07:59:02 PM

pyrotek85: Hitting it wasn't the problem. The tranquilizer might not have taken effect and he was concerned it would run off into the neighborhood. I don't know if that was the right call, but that was the reasoning.


Why the hell do you have tranq shots anyway if you don't think they won't work? For over aggressive squirrels?

And if you don't have a clean shot, why fire a rifle at it? I would think a wounded cougar is going to be a lot angrier than a sleepy cougar.
 
2011-05-25 08:02:23 PM
How dare that cougar exist near us.
 
Al!
2011-05-25 08:02:39 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: People are assholes.


As opposed to a cat that would gladly munch on your toddler as he stepped out to play in the front yard. He's just doing his thing. Which happens to be hunting, killing and eating mammals. Since 1990 there have been 25 non-fatal and 20 fatal attacks confirmed by mountain lions in North America. Not only do they hunt and kill people (though rarely), this is the time of year that the majority of the attacks occur, and this was the type of cat that generally perpetrates the attacks (young, solitary, first or second season away from mom). Your outrage would be more on point if this had been in some tiny village on the outskirts of a mountain range or deep forest, where the cat can just roam back into the wilderness if left alone. It wasn't. It was sitting on some lady's porch in the middle of Helena, a city with almost 100,000 people. There isn't food for it there, unless toddler/cat/dog is a fine meal by your standards, and the conservation officer is quoted as saying his first option was tranquilization. So, yeah. Way to get worked up over a conservation officer downing a problem animal.

Survival of the fittest. Humans have every right to protect themselves, and you can bet that if they had not dealt with the animal, it would have found something to eat before the weekend was here.
 
2011-05-25 08:04:44 PM

MBK: pyrotek85: Hitting it wasn't the problem. The tranquilizer might not have taken effect and he was concerned it would run off into the neighborhood. I don't know if that was the right call, but that was the reasoning.

Why the hell do you have tranq shots anyway if you don't think they won't work? For over aggressive squirrels?

And if you don't have a clean shot, why fire a rifle at it? I would think a wounded cougar is going to be a lot angrier than a sleepy cougar.


Because reality isn't like the movies. A tranq'd animal doesn't fall asleep as soon as the dart hits it. It takes time. Sometimes it takes a great deal of time. Time in which an animal is angry and dangerous. This was apparently in a neighborhood. People. Kids. Hell, the animal could have run into traffic and died a much more painful death.
It sucks that they had to do this, but sometimes doing what's right is like that.
 
2011-05-25 08:05:00 PM
this was in Montana and they didn't have their own guns to take care of it ;-)
 
2011-05-25 08:08:42 PM

some_beer_drinker: drjekel_mrhyde: People are assholes.

yup. poor kitty. fark you cat killers.




If they had darted the cat it would have woken up and run through the neighborhood or possibly crashed through the woman's window, endangering lives. Tranquilizers don't work instantly, bullets do.
 
2011-05-25 08:09:24 PM

MBK: pyrotek85:

Why the hell do you have tranq shots anyway if you don't think they won't work? For over aggressive squirrels?

And if you don't have a clean shot, why fire a rifle at it? I would think a wounded cougar is going to be a lot angrier than a sleepy cougar.


I was wondering that exact same thing.

/get out of my mind!
 
2011-05-25 08:11:06 PM

gwendolyyyn: Me too :(

I only skimmed but...how hard would it be to dart a sleeping cat?? assuming the guy has used the gun before??



Gotta hit the right place on the animal for the dart to work well (which compounds the time issue). Darts also are lower velocity meaning they won't penetrate something hard (say a cougar skull) and they are easier to deflect if there's something obscuring the shot. A rifle round is faster, does more damage, and can cause immediate fatal damage in a wider range of locations on an animal.
 
2011-05-25 08:13:24 PM

Al!: drjekel_mrhyde: People are assholes.

As opposed to a cat that would gladly munch on your toddler as he stepped out to play in the front yard. He's just doing his thing. Which happens to be hunting, killing and eating mammals. Since 1990 there have been 25 non-fatal and 20 fatal attacks confirmed by mountain lions in North America. Not only do they hunt and kill people (though rarely), this is the time of year that the majority of the attacks occur, and this was the type of cat that generally perpetrates the attacks (young, solitary, first or second season away from mom). Your outrage would be more on point if this had been in some tiny village on the outskirts of a mountain range or deep forest, where the cat can just roam back into the wilderness if left alone. It wasn't. It was sitting on some lady's porch in the middle of Helena, a city with almost 100,000 people. There isn't food for it there, unless toddler/cat/dog is a fine meal by your standards, and the conservation officer is quoted as saying his first option was tranquilization. So, yeah. Way to get worked up over a conservation officer downing a problem animal.

Survival of the fittest. Humans have every right to protect themselves, and you can bet that if they had not dealt with the animal, it would have found something to eat before the weekend was here.


Yes because it's very hard to tranq the damn thing in cities with pops over 80,000
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2011-05-25 08:14:50 PM

MBK: pyrotek85: Hitting it wasn't the problem. The tranquilizer might not have taken effect and he was concerned it would run off into the neighborhood. I don't know if that was the right call, but that was the reasoning.

Why the hell do you have tranq shots anyway if you don't think they won't work? For over aggressive squirrels?

And if you don't have a clean shot, why fire a rifle at it? I would think a wounded cougar is going to be a lot angrier than a sleepy cougar.


As far as I understand it, you need a very good shot with a tranq gun in order to get the needle to hit properly and for the tranq to take effect quickly. If you graze it, hit it on the wrong angle, or the dart only hits an extremity, all you have is a pissed off cat, and a gun which is now empty, and unless you get a very good shot, that cat is going to be running away for a while before it drops, and could do some damage. Shooting it with a proper rifle is probably far easier, especially if you're at a bad angle (I can't imagine the accuracy on those tranq guns is great), and you'd have multiple shots if your shot wasn't perfect.

Poor cat, but I can understand the position the guy was in.
 
2011-05-25 08:15:39 PM
if they had let me, i would've adopted it.

/might've been awkward in the suburbs
//but we could've made it work...
 
2011-05-25 08:15:45 PM

PepperFreak: It sucks that they had to do this, but sometimes doing what's right is like that.


I like animals, especially the large cat kind, but yes.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2011-05-25 08:16:34 PM

gwendolyyyn: I was wondering that exact same thing.

/get out of my mind!


You may not know this...but I'm a wizard.

And I may sound cruel, but...okay, if you live near a river, you have to deal with floods. If you live in Tornado Alley, you have to deal with tornadoes. If you live near mountain lions, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH MOUNTAIN LIONS. Suck it up and deal with a few maulings here and there.
 
2011-05-25 08:16:44 PM

MBK: pyrotek85: Hitting it wasn't the problem. The tranquilizer might not have taken effect and he was concerned it would run off into the neighborhood. I don't know if that was the right call, but that was the reasoning.

Why the hell do you have tranq shots anyway if you don't think they won't work? For over aggressive squirrels?

And if you don't have a clean shot, why fire a rifle at it? I would think a wounded cougar is going to be a lot angrier than a sleepy cougar.


Er, because this isn't "Wild Kingdom," or Steve Irwin's show, where they edit out all the times that the tranquilizer didn't take effect the first three times and the cat or whatever ran off into the bushes and Steve and Wes had to track the leopard down and find it so it didn't get the shait killed out of it while it lay there unconscious under some bush half a mile away.

Or the times that the dart hit the cat and it turned on them and chased the camera crew up into the trees, growling and snarling, waving all its teeth and claws for 45 minutes until the tranquilizer finally took effect and they could shoot the five-minute segment of how beautiful the six-inch claws and three-inch fangs are.

You know, like that. And for the rest, well, all that romantic crap about relocating mountain lions, bears and the rest? If there is a young mountain lion on your porch, it's because there isn't room for it up in the hills. Cats are very reclusive, and the only reason you ever see them is if they're starving or looking for mates or territory. The males are EXTREMELY territorial, and older males will drive out younger ones; and females with cubs need something like ten square miles of space to hunt. So the only real thing to do is kill them, because there isn't room for them if they're roaming around in the suburbs.
 
2011-05-25 08:19:08 PM
You guys do know it's another cougar article on today's front page with a different outcome
 
2011-05-25 08:20:01 PM
I used to own a house way the fark up in the Santa Cruz mountains. I remember walking out the front door one morning to go to work, and seeing a 300 pound wild boar, tusks and all, just camped out in the front yard... sunning itself. It looked over at me, promptly shot up off the ground, and started grunting.

Turned around, walked right back in the house... I distinctly remember the e-mail I sent into the office."

"WFH today... pig won't let me leave the house."

Ordered a pizza around Noon to see if it was still there, figured the Dominoes guy was expendable...
 
2011-05-25 08:23:55 PM
-.-

no room for nature on people's porches...
what an incredibly sad picture.
 
2011-05-25 08:34:24 PM
Anyone else get partway through the headline and expect the "because" to be "because you aren't wearing pants. Again."?
 
2011-05-25 08:46:36 PM
Montana? Isn't the SSS rule in play?
 
2011-05-25 08:54:16 PM
Why did she call her son?
 
2011-05-25 09:09:20 PM

moike: I used to own a house way the fark up in the Santa Cruz mountains. I remember walking out the front door one morning to go to work, and seeing a 300 pound wild boar, tusks and all, just camped out in the front yard... sunning itself. It looked over at me, promptly shot up off the ground, and started grunting.

Turned around, walked right back in the house... I distinctly remember the e-mail I sent into the office."

"WFH today... pig won't let me leave the house."

Ordered a pizza around Noon to see if it was still there, figured the Dominoes guy was expendable...


CSB

Import question though, did you get your pizza?
 
2011-05-25 09:11:13 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: People are assholes.


ok then.
would it be better if the said big cat with strictly carniverous tastes attacked someone first? perhaps we should have offered it a plate of freshly cut melon and some celery first? at least then we might have known its intentions.
 
2011-05-25 09:14:59 PM

porterm: drjekel_mrhyde: People are assholes.

ok then.
would it be better if the said big cat with strictly carniverous tastes attacked someone first? perhaps we should have offered it a plate of freshly cut melon and some celery first? at least then we might have known its intentions.


You do that. We'll watch. Then after we eat the celery and melon, and pick up your dismembered corpse, we'll shoot the lion and continue with breakfast. :)
 
2011-05-25 09:19:42 PM
i hope your having bacon with said breakfast!
 
Al!
2011-05-25 09:21:49 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Yes because it's very hard to tranq the damn thing in cities with pops over 80,000
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You don't see the difference between those two stories? You can close the doors and windows to a garage, thus giving the conservation officer ample opportunity for do-overs if he misses or grazes the animal, or if the dart fails to fully tranquilize it. In a crowded suburban neighborhood at 7am, on the front porch, there is one chance to dart it properly. If circumstances do not go your way, you now have a big cat that is very irritated, still hungry, and no longer out in the open waiting to be caught. Did I mention that it is a crowded neighborhood?

I'll tell you what, you can get ahold of your congressional representatives and have them write up a bill allowing the various entities that control these situations to drop the problematic cats off in your neighborhood, where you can care for them by ensuring they have a steady supply of pets and children to chase down and maul.

Are you the conservation officer that was on the scene? No? Monday morning quarterbacking is for blowhards and morons, which are you?
 
2011-05-25 09:24:03 PM

teardrop: moike: I used to own a house way the fark up in the Santa Cruz mountains. I remember walking out the front door one morning to go to work, and seeing a 300 pound wild boar, tusks and all, just camped out in the front yard... sunning itself. It looked over at me, promptly shot up off the ground, and started grunting.

Turned around, walked right back in the house... I distinctly remember the e-mail I sent into the office."

"WFH today... pig won't let me leave the house."

Ordered a pizza around Noon to see if it was still there, figured the Dominoes guy was expendable...

CSB

Import question though, did you get your pizza?


No, I didn't... teenage pizza delivery drivers are dumb... but not stupid.
 
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