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2011-05-25 05:08:12 PM

Rude Turnip: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

Never had chicken pox and now you're an adult? As the tenth Doctor would say, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry." Get ready for a world of nerve-tingling extreme pain and possible death if you ever catch the adult version, shingles. You're best off staying away from any kids with chicken pox.


The adult version still comes out all over the body, and worse than it would have been as a kid. It's a kind of herpes, so it stays dormant in you forever, if you've ever had the full-body version. Shingles is what happens when your immune system gets weak -- the chicken pox virus comes out again, but only along one nerve path. I got shingles this year, which is unusual for someone my age (40).

Count yourself lucky if you've never had the full version, and you keep up on your vaccinations -- you will probably never get shingles.

Speaking of keeping up on vaccinations -- I thought my childhood measles, mumps, and rubella vaccinations were good for life. Not true -- I recently had to get tested because I'm going back to school. My immunity to those diseases was essentially zero. I had to get new shots. They wear off sooner than a lot of doctors might like to think.
 
2011-05-25 05:08:57 PM

Mechanicum: I love it when celebrity "experts" with no education in a subject hold the ear of the public over actual scientists and doctors. Sign of the times.


You know what? It's not her fault.

In 1998, that whack-job Wakefield purposefully falsified data sent to the British Medical Journal showing a link between vaccines and autism. He did it for the money -- he now lives in the US, having been barred from practice in the UK, and makes a 6-figure salary doing wellness clinics or something.

But it all started with Wakefield, the fraudulent liar, and his greedy desire for money. McCarthy honestly believes what that doctor told her, and told the world, back in 1998. It took the Brits a good 13 years to fully refute and retract the study, and in the meantime a lot of research time and dollars was flushed down the drain.

The problem is that few professionals make good TV. McCarthy is used to being in front of a camera. She'll say "it give you autism and kills babies!" after a $5000 makeup job. In the other corner a medical researcher, used to more fluorescent lighting, and in his or her best clothes, likely an ill-fitting suit last worn 15 years ago to a job interview, says, "there's only one study, and that was never peer-reviewed."
 
2011-05-25 05:11:33 PM

Ball of Confusion: ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?


My old roommate was 37 and an American citizen yet he had the old smallpox vacc scar. Reason? He was on a military base when born (Korea I believe) and they were still using the older method there.
 
2011-05-25 05:11:41 PM
Why is science under such fire these days from about every angle? I can't understand why people first think they know more than scientists and then make shiat up like they know what they are talking about. This is a dangerous practice because while all the Jenny McCarthy's out there are scaring people from vaccines for the wrong reasons, the real reasons are not coming to light and nothing will change. This is not to mention that unvaccinated children are put in risk of great sickness, pain and death. There is definitely something going on with the rise of autism rates, but we need to let the scientists/researchers figure it out. It was important for the idea of vaccines causing the problem to be mentioned and studied. It has now been studied in detail and the vaccine link has not panned out. Let it go and let's find the real reasons behind this phenomena.
 
2011-05-25 05:13:17 PM

akisawana: Jenny McCarthy is a murderer, plain and simple. Her entire schtick tapdances around "it's better to risk killing someone else's baby than risk your precious snowflake being less than perfect." Her arguments rests upon bad science, when she bothers to involve science at all. Anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children because of her should have their children taken away, not as punishment but to protect the children.

There are children who are dead because their parents were told that was an acceptable risk to not have an autistic child. There are children who are dead because they were too young/immunocompromised/otherwise physically unable to be vaccinated and caught a previously eradicated disease.

There's a whole lot of other damage she's done to the autism cause, but it all pales next to teeny-tiny baby coffins.



So speaking ignorant opinions is murder. Got it.
 
2011-05-25 05:15:17 PM

theMagni: Mechanicum: I love it when celebrity "experts" with no education in a subject hold the ear of the public over actual scientists and doctors. Sign of the times.

You know what? It's not her fault.

In 1998, that whack-job Wakefield purposefully falsified data sent to the British Medical Journal showing a link between vaccines and autism. He did it for the money -- he now lives in the US, having been barred from practice in the UK, and makes a 6-figure salary doing wellness clinics or something.

But it all started with Wakefield, the fraudulent liar, and his greedy desire for money. McCarthy honestly believes what that doctor told her, and told the world, back in 1998. It took the Brits a good 13 years to fully refute and retract the study, and in the meantime a lot of research time and dollars was flushed down the drain.

The problem is that few professionals make good TV. McCarthy is used to being in front of a camera. She'll say "it give you autism and kills babies!" after a $5000 makeup job. In the other corner a medical researcher, used to more fluorescent lighting, and in his or her best clothes, likely an ill-fitting suit last worn 15 years ago to a job interview, says, "there's only one study, and that was never peer-reviewed."



I'm familiar with the gentleman in question. Was banned from practice for offering to do blood draws at his kids birthday party for cash. Classy guy. I stand by the recent development of "Power to the ignorant" however. Anti-intellectualism at it's finest.
 
2011-05-25 05:18:36 PM

JPSimonetti: As the single father of a 7 year old autistic boy (classic autism. the 1-in-1000 Rainman kind. not that asperger business), I have to say I really don't care about any of this.

It's just ... not important. If there is something I NEED to know, my son's pediatric neurologist will tell me. Anything on the TV is just rating-grabs, bad science, speculation, and false hope. It's too much to keep up with and ultimately depressing.

I just take care of my kid. I do some occasional reading on how best to handle behavioral situations that might come up, specifically tailored for children with autism. That's it, really. Parents that dwell on their child's condition to crazy extents make me feel sorry for the child.

Stop praying for your cure, vaccine, or for them to find a cause. Go play some blocks or whatever they enjoy. Right now, my kid is in the other room playing Super Mario Galaxy (his after-school routine). I'll go join him when he's done eating.

Honestly, the kid is happier than any normal kid I've ever met. Very easy to please as long as you know the right buttons and knobs. Always laughing about who-knows-what. Ignorance is bliss. All needs met. Play all day. Never a concern about anything for his entire life. Except elevators. He hates those.

I guess what I'm saying is people need to relax. There are certainly worse ailments than autism. I swear they're more concerned about how much trouble the child will be to them, than the child himself. And these people that consider it a curse and call him a victim ... I have the happiest kid in the tri-county area. He'd give you the finger if it wasn't being cleaned by the dog....


Most feel good and sensible thing I've read on Fark in a long time. You sound like an awesome parent.
 
2011-05-25 05:20:41 PM

useraccess: There is definitely something going on with the rise of autism rates


They've been trying to find a difference between Aspergers and Autism since 1994 when it was first added to the DSM IV. They gave up, and merged it with Autism for the DSM V edition. Autism itself is relatively easy to diagnose after a certain age (I'd say 2 1/2). But Aspergers is visibly high-functioning autism and often misdiagnosed.

What we have is the addition of Aspergers to the Autistic Spectrum, on top of misdiagnosis, on top of public awareness which only encourages more misdiagnosis. Then, for fun, just throw in medical advances in general.

I've looked at the numbers and I really find it hard to believe there is some mystical rate of inreases in autism cases. If you narrow the field to only classic autism, then narrow it further to ages 10+, you'll see no increase. But no one ever talks about that ...
 
2011-05-25 05:20:42 PM
She should be beaten with a section of re-bar.

Since she meant well, I'd use my left hand.

For Wakefield, both hands. And steel-toe boots.
 
2011-05-25 05:20:50 PM

useraccess: Why is science under such fire these days from about every angle? I can't understand why people first think they know more than scientists and then make shiat up like they know what they are talking about. This is a dangerous practice because while all the Jenny McCarthy's out there are scaring people from vaccines for the wrong reasons, the real reasons are not coming to light and nothing will change. This is not to mention that unvaccinated children are put in risk of great sickness, pain and death. There is definitely something going on with the rise of autism rates, but we need to let the scientists/researchers figure it out. It was important for the idea of vaccines causing the problem to be mentioned and studied. It has now been studied in detail and the vaccine link has not panned out. Let it go and let's find the real reasons behind this phenomena.


Science is under fire in part because reality has a well-known liberal bias. Too often, science backs up the positions of the masses and calls into doubt the positions of large corporate interests. For example, evidence that pollution from coal and fossil fuels contributes to illness, climate change, and other negative outcomes -- that evidence means that the large corporate interests in those fuels would suffer financially from changes called for by scientific inquiry and recommendations. Thus, big corporate interests enact media campaigns that misinform about the issue, as well as pay lobbyists to push against changes and regulations in congress. Through lobbying and media misinformation campaigns, large and already rich corporations ensure that their holdings and profits increase while their liabilities and costs decrease.

Also socialism.
 
2011-05-25 05:23:12 PM

raygundan:

You've oversimplified a bit. The *infection* came in from another country, but the reason for the outbreaks was pockets of unvaccinated local people to catch the disease.


I posted the same in my immediate next post.
Result is still the same; stupid people create problems for everyone else.
 
2011-05-25 05:25:34 PM

BigNumber12: akisawana: Jenny McCarthy is a murderer, plain and simple. Her entire schtick tapdances around "it's better to risk killing someone else's baby than risk your precious snowflake being less than perfect." Her arguments rests upon bad science, when she bothers to involve science at all. Anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children because of her should have their children taken away, not as punishment but to protect the children.

There are children who are dead because their parents were told that was an acceptable risk to not have an autistic child. There are children who are dead because they were too young/immunocompromised/otherwise physically unable to be vaccinated and caught a previously eradicated disease.

There's a whole lot of other damage she's done to the autism cause, but it all pales next to teeny-tiny baby coffins.


So speaking ignorant opinions is murder. Got it.


murder 2 - depraved indifference.
 
2011-05-25 05:26:06 PM
Thanks god that enabling biatch oprah has her last show today.
 
2011-05-25 05:31:23 PM

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?


I do. Got it while deployed a few years back. Government had a fear that terrorists would use smallpox as a bio-weapon so they started giving us smallpox vaccines. It's weird, being 29 and having that little scar that, up until then, I only saw on folks my parents age.
 
2011-05-25 05:31:29 PM

Mechanicum: I think the real problem is the cultural shift towards "everyone's opinion is valid". You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make you correct. The relativism we are seeing has the ignorant believing they are just as qualified as someone legitimately licensed or studied, for the sheer fact that their right to loudly spread their ignorance is so powerfully protected. You may have a right to proclaim whatever you want, but i still will call you on your bullshiat and point out flaws in your argument.


UR CLEARLY JUST A H8R AND R JELLUS LOL

/that was painful to type.
 
2011-05-25 05:33:34 PM

binkyman: Thanks god that enabling biatch oprah has her last show today.


Maybe Dr Oz will fade out, then.

On a sort of related note, did Sylvia Browne survive the end of Montel Williams?
 
2011-05-25 05:34:24 PM

House of Tards: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

My vaccine was taken orally. I think around 40-45 years ago they switched dosing mechanisms.


Wow, you were lucky. When they gave me the vaccine, it was the old fashioned "Shot in the Arm".
 
2011-05-25 05:49:33 PM

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?


I've had measles, chicken pox, and whooping cough, and have had all my vaccinations.

\measles came before the vaccination age
\\WC came after it wore off
 
2011-05-25 05:49:54 PM

CapnBlues: Science is under fire in part because reality has a well-known liberal bias. Too often, science backs up the positions of the masses and calls into doubt the positions of large corporate interests. For example, evidence that pollution from coal and fossil fuels contributes to illness, climate change, and other negative outcomes -- that evidence means that the large corporate interests in those fuels would suffer financially from changes called for by scientific inquiry and recommendations. Thus, big corporate interests enact media campaigns that misinform about the issue, as well as pay lobbyists to push against changes and regulations in congress. Through lobbying and media misinformation campaigns, large and already rich corporations ensure that their holdings and profits increase while their liabilities and costs decrease.



Wasn't McCarthy's point that large corporations were pushing vaccines for profit? How is a media campaign against vaccines the fault of science-hating large corporations?
 
2011-05-25 05:51:18 PM

JPSimonetti: As the single father of a 7 year old autistic boy (classic autism. the 1-in-1000 Rainman kind. not that asperger business), I have to say I really don't care about any of this.

It's just ... not important. If there is something I NEED to know, my son's pediatric neurologist will tell me. Anything on the TV is just rating-grabs, bad science, speculation, and false hope. It's too much to keep up with and ultimately depressing.

I just take care of my kid. I do some occasional reading on how best to handle behavioral situations that might come up, specifically tailored for children with autism. That's it, really. Parents that dwell on their child's condition to crazy extents make me feel sorry for the child.

Stop praying for your cure, vaccine, or for them to find a cause. Go play some blocks or whatever they enjoy. Right now, my kid is in the other room playing Super Mario Galaxy (his after-school routine). I'll go join him when he's done eating.

Honestly, the kid is happier than any normal kid I've ever met. Very easy to please as long as you know the right buttons and knobs. Always laughing about who-knows-what. Ignorance is bliss. All needs met. Play all day. Never a concern about anything for his entire life. Except elevators. He hates those.

I guess what I'm saying is people need to relax. There are certainly worse ailments than autism. I swear they're more concerned about how much trouble the child will be to them, than the child himself. And these people that consider it a curse and call him a victim ... I have the happiest kid in the tri-county area. He'd give you the finger if it wasn't being cleaned by the dog....


striderweb.com

And vaccinate your farking children.
 
2011-05-25 05:54:47 PM

theMagni: Mechanicum: I love it when celebrity "experts" with no education in a subject hold the ear of the public over actual scientists and doctors. Sign of the times.

You know what? It's not her fault.

In 1998, that whack-job Wakefield purposefully falsified data sent to the British Medical Journal showing a link between vaccines and autism. He did it for the money -- he now lives in the US, having been barred from practice in the UK, and makes a 6-figure salary doing wellness clinics or something.

But it all started with Wakefield, the fraudulent liar, and his greedy desire for money. McCarthy honestly believes what that doctor told her, and told the world, back in 1998. It took the Brits a good 13 years to fully refute and retract the study, and in the meantime a lot of research time and dollars was flushed down the drain.

The problem is that few professionals make good TV. McCarthy is used to being in front of a camera. She'll say "it give you autism and kills babies!" after a $5000 makeup job. In the other corner a medical researcher, used to more fluorescent lighting, and in his or her best clothes, likely an ill-fitting suit last worn 15 years ago to a job interview, says, "there's only one study, and that was never peer-reviewed."


It is (partially) her fault. You are right about Wakefield. However, she defended him and his 'theory' and continued talking about it AFTER everybody else on his fraudulent research paper pulled out, AFTER the journal in which is was published in withdrew the publication, AFTER he lost his medical license for fraud. She even wrote a foreword in his book published a few months ago. In January 2011 McCarthy defended Wakefield, saying that he had "just listened to parents" and that the controversy was "merely the allegations of a single British journalist named Brian Deer".

I'd respect it if she'd say "I was bulshiatted by a fraud but now that the evidence is on the table I see I made a mistake and I'm sorry for the trouble and grief I caused". Instead:.:.crickets.:.

She has blood on her hands. So does her excellency, the god-empress of the united states, oprah winfrey, for giving her such a multi-million people platform by letting her spew her vaccine-BS without inviting one single scientist or pediatrician to counter her beliefs.
 
2011-05-25 06:01:20 PM

House of Tards: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

My vaccine was taken orally. I think around 40-45 years ago they switched dosing mechanisms.


b225: mil


This also anyone stationed in Korea has to get one
 
2011-05-25 06:01:26 PM
science is hard
let's play in da splinklerz!

farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2011-05-25 06:04:15 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: I'd respect it if she'd say "I was bulshiatted by a fraud but now that the evidence is on the table I see I made a mistake and I'm sorry for the trouble and grief I caused". Instead:.:.crickets.:.

She has blood on her hands. So does her excellency, the god-empress of the united states, oprah winfrey, for giving her such a multi-million people platform by letting her spew her vaccine-BS without inviting one single scientist or pediatrician to counter her beliefs.


+1

All she (and Oprah) need to do is admit they were wrong and provide the other side a voice to show no link.

Even better, campaign, with as much zeal, to get your damn kids vaccinated.
 
2011-05-25 06:08:25 PM

BigNumber12: akisawana: Jenny McCarthy is a murderer, plain and simple. Her entire schtick tapdances around "it's better to risk killing someone else's baby than risk your precious snowflake being less than perfect." Her arguments rests upon bad science, when she bothers to involve science at all. Anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children because of her should have their children taken away, not as punishment but to protect the children.

There are children who are dead because their parents were told that was an acceptable risk to not have an autistic child. There are children who are dead because they were too young/immunocompromised/otherwise physically unable to be vaccinated and caught a previously eradicated disease.

There's a whole lot of other damage she's done to the autism cause, but it all pales next to teeny-tiny baby coffins.


So speaking ignorant opinions is murder. Got it.


No, repeating facts that are not true and directly lead to dead people is murder. Vaccines haven't had thiomersal since 1999. The Wakefield study was rigged and discredited. These are not opinions.
 
2011-05-25 06:17:31 PM
What's even funnier/sicker is that the level of mercury supposedly in vaccines that she based her insanity off of is the merest pittance compared to the amount found in those government mandated world saving cfl bulbs that we are all supposed to put in our homes now. Have you ever read the back of one of those packages? If you break one you need to evacuate and essentially call a hazmat team to clean it up for you. (I guess we need to go back to whale oil lamps too. Safer for ya!)
 
2011-05-25 06:23:56 PM

Miranda Renee: What's even funnier/sicker is that the level of mercury supposedly in vaccines that she based her insanity off of is the merest pittance compared to the amount found in those government mandated world saving cfl bulbs that we are all supposed to put in our homes now. Have you ever read the back of one of those packages? If you break one you need to evacuate and essentially call a hazmat team to clean it up for you. (I guess we need to go back to whale oil lamps too. Safer for ya!)


With respect, a fluorescent tube has a singe vaporized drop for a full sized tube. It does not take much liquid (vaporized) to fill a CFL bulb.
 
2011-05-25 06:28:57 PM

BoxOfBees: Not that I think vaccinations are necessarily bad, but CDC statistics and reports are almost universally biased in favor of widespread multiple early vaccinations. I wouldn't take their word on it any more than I would take Jenny Mc's


Yes, because it's really a horrible idea to have the vast majority of kids vaccinated against the maximum number of life-threatening but easily-preventable diseases as early as possible.

Not really kidding. Most people are as clueless about epidemiology, not surprising because it's a very specialized and somewhat arcane field of study. Vaccination needs to be done widely, and early, and multiply, because of the nature of crowd diseases. Epidemic diseases like measles, mumps, smallpox, diphtheria and others have two requirements to become epidemic: 1) a large pool of susceptible individuals who 2) live in close proximity. To wit, cities.

Vaccinating children against everything as early as we can means that the first requirement is eliminated as fast as it is created. There's no way to prevent the second--people are going to live in cities--but we can stop there from being large numbers of people who can catch and transmit diseases living there.

Would you rather go back to the days of endemic diseases, like it used to be before vaccination? ENDEMIC disease requires only a stable number of people who are not immune to a disease (the number varies depending on the actual disease). In other words, kids living in a city. It used to be a grim saying "Don't count your children till they've all had measles": a testament to the lethality of an illness we take lightly today. With enough nonimmunized children living in a city, a disease can become endemic, and then we're back to pre-immunization days, having to quarantine districts, close schools, and have special hospitals for various illnesses.

I think mandatory multiple immunizations is really better, don't you?
 
2011-05-25 06:39:42 PM

JPSimonetti: As the single father of a 7 year old autistic boy (classic autism. the 1-in-1000 Rainman kind. not that asperger business), I have to say I really don't care about any of this.

It's just ... not important. If there is something I NEED to know, my son's pediatric neurologist will tell me. Anything on the TV is just rating-grabs, bad science, speculation, and false hope. It's too much to keep up with and ultimately depressing.

I just take care of my kid. I do some occasional reading on how best to handle behavioral situations that might come up, specifically tailored for children with autism. That's it, really. Parents that dwell on their child's condition to crazy extents make me feel sorry for the child.

Stop praying for your cure, vaccine, or for them to find a cause. Go play some blocks or whatever they enjoy. Right now, my kid is in the other room playing Super Mario Galaxy (his after-school routine). I'll go join him when he's done eating.

Honestly, the kid is happier than any normal kid I've ever met. Very easy to please as long as you know the right buttons and knobs. Always laughing about who-knows-what. Ignorance is bliss. All needs met. Play all day. Never a concern about anything for his entire life. Except elevators. He hates those.

I guess what I'm saying is people need to relax. There are certainly worse ailments than autism. I swear they're more concerned about how much trouble the child will be to them, than the child himself. And these people that consider it a curse and call him a victim ... I have the happiest kid in the tri-county area. He'd give you the finger if it wasn't being cleaned by the dog....


You, sir, have beaten the Autism level in Fark: The Game.

/you glorious bastard
 
2011-05-25 07:02:21 PM
I am taking my son for booster shots tomorrow, so I'm getting a kick..yada, yada, yada.

Really. He's getting Tdap, MCV and a chicken pox booster.

That's how much I care for my fellow man.
 
2011-05-25 07:05:58 PM

ghare: Good. My kids are vaccinated, stupid kids are going to die. (yes, they're stupid. Stupid parents produce stupid children. Welcome to genetics)


Even stupid people vaccinate their kids. I mean, you vaccinated yours.

//shuddering at the idiocy of this comment
 
2011-05-25 07:28:40 PM

rhondajeremy: ghare: Good. My kids are vaccinated, stupid kids are going to die. (yes, they're stupid. Stupid parents produce stupid children. Welcome to genetics)

Even stupid people vaccinate their kids. I mean, you vaccinated yours.

//shuddering at the idiocy of this comment


His or yours?
 
2011-05-25 07:31:24 PM
I see a few other people have already replied to this, but it's stupid enough to deserve another lashing.

BoxOfBees: Not that I think vaccinations are necessarily bad, but CDC statistics and reports are almost universally biased in favor of widespread multiple early vaccinations.


Yeah, what do epidemiologists know? Besides, it's not like widespread multiple early vaccinations have had any noticeable effect! Look at all the people with polio still.

I wouldn't take their word on it any more than I would take Jenny Mc's

By making such a statement, you are implying that Jenny McCarthy has the same degree of reputability and knowledge as a CDC scientist; or conversely that a CDC scientist is as ignorant as Jenny McCarthy.
 
2011-05-25 07:46:21 PM
Chiming in on the shingles front: had chicken pox as a kid and at 20 developed a case of herpes zoster... stayed on my back and around to my chest. OH MY GOD- 20 years later, I still recall the itching and then the neuralgia. UnbeLIEVable pain. Had to pop Percacets every couple of hours. I was horribly depressed and unhappy and my doc just said- "Hey, it happens".

As a corrolary, back in 2004, my close friend was going through the beginnings of a divorce and came back from a weekend trip telling me that he thought he had been bitten by a bug of some sort on his back and was itching like crazy. He showed me his back... "Dude, it's the shingles. Strap in, put your head down and prepare for PAIN." He was 39 at the time.
 
2011-05-25 07:47:19 PM
I had measles as a baby and I'm fine

didn't need two ears anyway...one is better than two

/missus complains, don't have to listen to her
//sleep on my good ear
///can always claim I didn't hear anything
 
2011-05-25 08:15:57 PM

House of Tards: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

My vaccine was taken orally. I think around 40-45 years ago they switched dosing mechanisms.


I'm 29, and I have a smallpox vaccination scar. The Army made me get it, which pissed me off quite a bit, actually. I'm not opposed to vaccines, but the odds of smallpox breaking out are essentially nil, and any vaccine has some risk. I don't so much mind risk, but when it's all over irrational fears... Stupid Army, I'm glad I'm out.
 
2011-05-25 08:16:07 PM

GilRuiz1: CapnBlues: Science is under fire in part because reality has a well-known liberal bias. Too often, science backs up the positions of the masses and calls into doubt the positions of large corporate interests. For example, evidence that pollution from coal and fossil fuels contributes to illness, climate change, and other negative outcomes -- that evidence means that the large corporate interests in those fuels would suffer financially from changes called for by scientific inquiry and recommendations. Thus, big corporate interests enact media campaigns that misinform about the issue, as well as pay lobbyists to push against changes and regulations in congress. Through lobbying and media misinformation campaigns, large and already rich corporations ensure that their holdings and profits increase while their liabilities and costs decrease.


Wasn't McCarthy's point that large corporations were pushing vaccines for profit? How is a media campaign against vaccines the fault of science-hating large corporations?


The push was for alternate vaccines, funded by the companies that were developing different vaccines.
 
2011-05-25 08:27:34 PM

C. Hines: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

Age 30, got mine on ship before the invasion of Iraqistan. So, I guess that doesnt count. Did leave a stupid looking scar though.


And on a side note:
After 8 years of vacs, I could probably snort a line of anthrax and be ok. Anyone up for a party?
 
2011-05-25 09:23:30 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: My grandfather had Polio and survived.

He survived but still wore a leg brace his entire life. Because he was one of the few that survived and made it to old age, he was studied by many doctors and his life even ended with something called Post-Polio Disease. Basically, his muscles would deteriorate if they were used, but unless his muscles were used they would deteriorate anyway. A Catch-22.

Sadly, this country may be headed towards a path where we remember the horrors of these diseases, and why we created vaccinations in the first place.


/stupidity should be painful


My mother survived polio. I (43 years old) and my children have been vaccinated. I also have the smallpox vaccine scar, although it's pretty faded.
 
2011-05-25 09:33:14 PM

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?


21 here. Got y smallpox vaccine when I was 18. Military and all.
 
2011-05-25 09:53:05 PM
> Eighty-nine percent of all reported cases have been in people who've been unvaccinated.

In related news, France figured out how to unvaccinate kids.
Early tests indicate it cures autism, not so great for measles.
 
2011-05-26 12:01:13 AM

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?


I'm 26, and I got the vaccine about 6 years ago when I was in the Army. The scar faded away completely after a couple months.
 
2011-05-26 06:22:17 AM
First of all, the VSD studies only tested with regard to exposure to mercury. So technically, the sentence should read: "there never was a valid link between MERCURY and autism."

Even that is wrong, though. The study demonstrated without question that increased levels of mercury CAUSED increased tics, for example, and that these symptoms were exaggerated in the autistic population. Even if there were no other findings, this finding is, by definition, a "causal link", not a parallel.

There is clearly a valid link in other areas as well, because vaccines are proven to aggravate the symptoms. If this were simply a correlation, like hemlines and the economy, the Institute of Medicine would not have insisted that the VSD study be redesigned to account for neurologic symptoms other than autism.

While the CDC and IOM are concentrating on the presence of mercury in the vaccines, the larger scientific community is not. This web site, in particular, has spent more time spreading the word the Jenny McCarthy is wrong than in figuring out what is right.

This web site is not to blame for the misdirection, but clearly, this website has been misdirected. Instead of paying attention to the statistical errors made by the CDC, the focus of the blog is the methodological errors by a supermodel. My standard for accuracy in Jenny McCarthy books is pretty low; the standard for the CDC should be higher.

As studies have pointed out recently, children who are vaccinated actually ARE more likely to be diagnosed with autism. Maybe it is not the mercury, maybe it is the presence of human DNA in vaccines that is causing the damage.

Whatever. But if one in every 100 children were being born without eyesight, you can bet the scientific community would be trying to figure out what IS wrong, instead of just point out that Jenny McCarthy is a fool.
 
2011-05-26 07:37:31 AM

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?


I do.

But I was vaccinated for Smallpox because I'm in the military and every servicemember has to get vaccinated.

Thanks to Uncle Sam, I've got vaccinations against: anthrax, hepatitis A & B, regular and H1N1 flu shots, meningitis, polio, smallpox, tetanus, diptheria, pertussis, typhoid and MMR (I didn't need the chicken pox vaccine as I had it as a kid, before they made vaccines for it).

Yes, I carry my vaccination record around so I could just typ ethat in (I didn't have it memorized). Helps reduce me having to get redundant shots when the medic is coming around.
 
2011-05-26 08:27:01 AM
I would take a blumpkin fro Jenny, but who in their right mind would take medical advice from this bombo?
 
2011-05-26 11:51:26 AM

ChimbleySweep: I see a few other people have already replied to this, but it's stupid enough to deserve another lashing.

BoxOfBees: Not that I think vaccinations are necessarily bad, but CDC statistics and reports are almost universally biased in favor of widespread multiple early vaccinations.

Yeah, what do epidemiologists know? Besides, it's not like widespread multiple early vaccinations have had any noticeable effect! Look at all the people with polio still.

I wouldn't take their word on it any more than I would take Jenny Mc's

By making such a statement, you are implying that Jenny McCarthy has the same degree of reputability and knowledge as a CDC scientist; or conversely that a CDC scientist is as ignorant as Jenny McCarthy.


Funny. What I took away from his post was that all CDC scientists are as hot as Jenny McCarthy.
 
2011-05-26 01:12:11 PM

Low Budget Dave: First of all, the VSD studies only tested with regard to exposure to mercury. So technically, the sentence should read: "there never was a valid link between MERCURY and autism."Even that is wrong, though. The study demonstrated without question that increased levels of mercury CAUSED increased tics, for example, and that these symptoms were exaggerated in the autistic population.


>>Again, there is no mercury in those vaccines. Hasn't been in years.


There is clearly a valid link in other areas as well, because vaccines are proven to aggravate the symptoms.

>>You have a link to the study that proves that?

While the CDC and IOM are concentrating on the presence of mercury in the vaccines, the larger scientific community is not. This web site, in particular, has spent more time spreading the word the Jenny McCarthy is wrong than in figuring out what is right.

>>Really? What part of: Vaccines-do-not-cause-autism & Go-vaccinate-your-kids. Do you not understand? You know, because that actually is the right thing to spread.

This web site is not to blame for the misdirection, but clearly, this website has been misdirected.

>>O'RLY? And what is that misdirection?

Instead of paying attention to the statistical errors made by the CDC, the focus of the blog is the methodological errors by a supermodel.

Care to elaborate on "the CDC's statistical errors"?

My standard for accuracy in Jenny McCarthy books is pretty low; the standard for the CDC should be higher.

>>I have the feeling that at least your scientific standards are pretty low in general.

As studies have pointed out recently, children who are vaccinated actually ARE more likely to be diagnosed with autism.

>> citation needed!

The opposite is true. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, the UK National Health Service and the Cochrane Library review have all concluded that there is no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism:

herek (new window)

and here (new window)
 
2011-05-26 03:43:11 PM

neversubmit: I won't get vaccinated
Insurance costs too much
You think you're so persuasive
But I'm not giving up
Saving my life
It's not what you're doing

I, I won't justify
The way I live my life
'Cause I'm the one livin' it
Feelin' it, tastin' it
And you're just wasting your time
Trying to throw me a line
When you're the one drowning
I like where I'm at on my back
Floating down in my own riptide
The water is fine

Well now we know why those Puppies are Sick. I like the song but I cringe at the line in bold.


I always thought that was what the other person was saying. "Oh, I can't possibly get vaccinated! Health care is Obamacare! Herpa derpa! YOU MUST DO AS I DO!"

/Then again, I can't read faces or people's intentions well, so I could be wrong...but given the way Sick Pupppies acts, it makes sense.
 
2011-05-26 06:08:32 PM
Chelle82: How do unvaccinated kids go to school? Are they all home schooled? Aren't there vaccination requirements to enroll? What's more, they're going to need to be vaccinated at some point if they ever want to live in a college dorm or go away to sleepover camp, right? How are parents getting around the requirements?

You just have to sign a statement saying that you have a religious objection. You don't have to explain the religion or anything, you just have to say you have it.

Also, there's a shingles vaccine, but it's recommended for people at age 60, not sure why.
 
2011-05-27 03:04:20 PM

Earpj: I am taking my son for booster shots tomorrow, so I'm getting a kick..yada, yada, yada.

Really. He's getting Tdap, MCV and a chicken pox booster.

That's how much I care for my fellow man.



Don't forget the DipTet!
 
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